CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 82 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning live from Linkwood. We're holding three lines from the bottom of Alf. We learned in the Mishna that according to we're talking about is the to a mother and her offspring on the same day. As we can see the following Mishna or Mishna is the iser applies also toing the offspring and then the mother the mother and then the offspring. It doesn't really matter but it has to be you have to sh the mother and then sh the offspring in order to be. If you kill the mother and you're not comes along and says that in order to be it has to be that creates a to eat the meat and then he gives a whole list of things and says that if you find out that the animal is a tra you can't eat the meat. So therefore there's no isert offering that same day. If you're doing a zara with the second animal or the first animal, that was the discussion in the Gar, but you're doing a you can't eat the meat because it's and one of the things the Mishna mentions is this the but why is it one of the things in the list and the Gar is going to end off saying that it's a mistake. It shouldn't have said this in the Mishna. You're right. The problem is that there's that the food receives the receives and can give off. So in other words, if a shar touches the paradum, it becomes theatum. It drops down one level. Theatum touches food. The food becomes a drops and then that if it touches another food it drops down one level becomes why because asar is going to explain it's not a right away to eat. This is a period of time where you could change exchange this paradum use a better one a different one. Why are you telling me that the of the paradum is not considered a that enables you to eat the meat? Maybe you could eat the meat. Now just to explain real quickly a a small point that Rashi points out here. Everybody should be asking the question of paradum is so tame. We all know the the interesting about paradum that the person who sprays the water he himself becomes t the water makes somebody else tar but the one spraying why because paraduma is t. So does it mean that the has it has more than it's forget about. So Rashi comes up with a whole thing. There's other that answer other things but just wanted to show you this picture. I asked Yoshi to make it. I hope it's not too confusing. But basically Raji says that if you wrap a small piece of paradum meat in dough if it's considered food then it could be part of the dough and bear to the shear of a to be otherwise if you don't have then it would not bear. You have a havoc of meat like in this picture together with the havoc of dough. It won't become wouldn't be if it's not considered food. Okay, just a side note not to confuse anybody. So top of see what we have here for here. This is the maratha. What they would do is since paraduma is so rare, they take a ton of wood and burn the paraduma on that wood and every single part every piece of ash from all that wood is considered paradum ashes and then they can use it for hundreds of years sometimes couple hundred years from one paraduma. Oh, so even after you shifted the paradum on top of the wood ready to go burn, you're allowed to redeem it. And Rashi sticks in a here. I don't have the middle of the night here. But Rashi, I'll just read Rashi. It's a very important rash. There's a few here in Rashi. And we're not going to read other rashies. Don't worry about just one rash. even if you properly she's on the the wood ready to burn. You don't have to redeem it. But since you could redeem it, as if you did redeem it and therefore it has the the effect on it as if it's edible since you could redeem it. You can't eat a regular parad. But this part of the since he could redeem it, then you would be able to eat it. Even though you never redeemed it, it's as if you did redeem it. This is what he's asking. We know that has inherent doesn't have to accept. It's talking about the piece of meat that they covered it with dough. Okay, fine. If [clears throat] it has the that's what I showed you the picture before and the story says this that we said in the you got to erase it doesn't belong in the Mishna. You're right. It's not is not something that's not it is. Yeah. What happened? They started making the the covers like in Europe that they don't come off. >> It does come off. Okay. Just was so this it doesn't come off in Europe. You have to something's wrong with them. Rufa. So now we go to the next thing in the Mishna. [clears throat] If you have a what's a rufa? You find a dead person and you're not sure what city the murderer came from. So you have to measure the closest city and you bring a calf chop chop cut its head off the whole thing. So the you sh the before you chop its head off. it you don't and then you want to son you're not and the Gor is going to do the same exact thing to prove that you could eat it and if you could eat it according to you are so then the Gor is going to say the same exact thing that what what did we say before on anybody remember >> huh >> so we're going to do the same thing it's not part of the Mishna What if you it's not it's not appropriate. You can't eat it. But listen to this. What if you cut the eggla's head off and then you find out that this guy wasn't murdered. Are you allowed to eat that? Is it? No. Forget it. You can't eat it because there's no Is it? No. You say you can't chopped it off. >> But it was a mistake. The whole was a mistake. >> You're right. You're right. Even though it's a mistake, it's still okay. So now, but what if we found a murder? They bring this calf down. They're in the process. I'm going to show you a video. They're they almost kill it, but we found the murderer. No problem. Let it go because they didn't kill it yet. So, what do you see that? Why are you telling me that this is is doesn't allow for it to be eaten? Maybe. What if they brought the the guy there and they said, "Hey, we we found the the the murderer." So So we have to pay attention here. Didn't say it himself. He says it in the name of there's a certain time where you can't do this anymore. You can't take it back. But I forgot what it is. And me and my friends, we sat together and we try to figure it out and we figured out once it goes down to the river to the to the to the bed the rock bed is doesn't mean you bring it down to a dry river like hard rock or it has water in it or whatever. So just going down you don't have to kill it just bring it down there that makes it also and if you if it's true then why can't you answer the contradiction say look there's a difference between whether you brought it down completely or you didn't before you brought it into the river then you could take it back but once you bring it down you can't take it We didn't hear it from you're right himself says that he sat with his friends and he figured out that when you bring it down to the to the river that's when it becomes a no no it's not saying in the name of because then we have a problem himself says bring it down it's not it's himself says it without the whatnish holds is not part of our as the question say this mitz. So what's these two birds when the process of matur is a very long process a whole take the blood put it on his thumb and on his big toe and then the oil and the big toe with thumb the rest of the blood on his head but here's the the two birds we take two birds they look like what are they called um dar how do you say drawer in English dar um they have them here they have them everywhere those little brown birds >> sparrows >> sparrows they You take two sparrows, I believe, and one of them you sh pour the blood into the special water that you got from the the Mayan. The second bird you tie up to the a you dip it into the blood and you sprinkle the guy with this bird and then you let the bird fly away in the field. That's the second bird. Here, here it is. One sparrow you take the blood. The other sparrow you sprinkle and then you let him go. This is all part of the mitsur. You shave him. Put some oil in his ear. Wow. Okay. And leftover oil is shmear all over his head. So we have something very similar to with these birds. When do they become when you purchase it? Now my time is why does say when you purchase the birds they become now I just want to see if you guys are reading with me. Not really. Everybody knows [laughter] >> without looking inside. So that what you learn from that it becomes also when they're alive still when the the eggl is alive not after alive just like the is also when it's alive so too but let me ask you something is not also when you buy it the most the most is when you bring it down to it's either when you bring it down to the to the riverbed or when you chop its head off nobody says that when you purchase it. So how come over here says we purchase it? So Rashi answers because there's no other step that's the only step purchase and there's nothing in between by uh there's in between step this purchase bringing it down to the river. Okay. But the point is similar that what they become when it's alive. It's says take it out of the interesting two things in the Mishna gone. Very rare but that's what it is. All right. You guys, if you're not, you weren't with it. Brand new. Brand new here. Two separate people. Ruben and Shim bought a mother and a son. One bought the mother, one bought the son. Who could do? They both want to eat. It's the end of the nine days. It's They both want meat. The Mishna says that whoever bought first. So the guy sold there was a guy that had the mother and the son and he sold to Reuben. He sold the mother and the he sold the son. The one who bought first gets the shaft first. Why? Because he bought all the rights from the owner. >> He locks out the other. >> The owner doesn't have a right to she's the son anymore. When the owner sells the first one, the owner can't she the son cuz he just sold his rights to the other guy. So when the second guy comes along, he's actually buying whatever the first whatever the owner, the seller, whatever rights he has and he doesn't have the right to sheh. So he can't, the second guy can't be better than the owner, than the seller. If you have two animals and you sell one, that means you're giving up your right to that son today cuz you sold it to somebody else. you're giving him the right to to to to that day. So once you gave up your right now somebody else comes along and wants to buy the son. You don't have any rights left. You can't give him any you can't give him more than what you have. So it says the one who purchases first he gets to sh first. If he purchases the son so he gets to sh the son. If he purchases the mother he gets to sh the mother. But whoever purchases first and if the second one jumps ahead and first so I want to point out we're going to see in a second there's not a this is you go to bez and bez is going to ask you you're going to ask who who gets the we we both need the meat very badly we both have tonight's going to pass and whoever bought first ah you're screaming the the second guy wants it more. He needs it more. He's more desperate. Too bad the first. But is it us or no? There's no is going to pass in in they're going to ask him that the first guy has the right. The point is because he's not in Russia. The first guy didn't tell anybody he wants to. So the second one went ahead and and sheh at first. Had the first one announced that he wants the and the second one jumped in and did it first, he's he's doing he's doing the wrong thing. He's he's if the second guy doesn't ask any questions. He didn't hear that the first one and he went ahead and he zores. How do you say zor in English? Expeditious. Okay. Expeditious mate. So says why is he got paid? He did it in a way where there's no is why because he didn't know that the other guy wants today the nine days we don't eat meat. This guy was eat the meat. Okay, this is great. This Mishna, I think you're going to enjoy this Mishna a lot of you one mother and then two offsprings. How many is you just do? If you one mother, one offspring on one mother, two offsprings, how much your two is. So that brings us to beautiful. If a person eats two pieces of something that's to eat two pieces of how many how many malas does he get? It's a whole sug. But here's a great case. Listen to this. Without peeking inside if you a mother cow and a granddaughter are you? >> No. What happens if you sh the mother and a granddaughter and then afterwards you sh the daughter the one that connects the two >> are you when you sh that middle one so that's the mission is going to discuss I'm telling so this beautiful if you two sons and then the mother you're only on the second animal the first animals that You're not over. So when you the two sons, you're not over on anything. Then the mother in this case everybody agrees. You only get 40 lashes. Why? Cuz you only did one. The mother the mother and the mother's daughter. The granddaughter. Now you have two peers. The mother then the daughter. That's one. the that daughter and the granddaughter is another isser. So it's 80. Let's see if we have the No. Let me see if it was here. Okay. What if you her and so that's this case right over here. Yesed her and a granddaughter. So the second one the great granddaughter sorry the the grandmother and the great and the and the granddaughter the grandmother and the granddaughter one two and then you go ahead then number three is the daughter. She's the link between the granddaughter and the mother. When you number three you're now you're on one and three and two and three. You only get 40 lashes according to the why says it's only one that is one one there's only one warning was one action one you only get one malus that's that's the discussion today Oh, you get 80 says if you two sons then the then the mother maybe shouldn't be over anything. It says first he shook the mother then the sons but if he sh sons first and then the mother maybe not I never had such know if you go in reverse the son first and then the mother afterwards there's two types there's two so the the doesn't like the fact that the coming just to say a mother then a son a son then a So first heed a cow and then heeded the mother and then heeded the son. In other words, heeded let's see if we have a picture for this. I I I mean I did a little doctoration here. The first number one cow number two that cow's mother number three that cow's thank you that cow's child of two he says the other cases are posit there's no reason for the t say oh you could check a son and then the mother that's posit now what that even if you cow number one and then cow number two which is the mother of cow number one cow number three which is the daughter of cow number one you're also ivor even though it's one it's it's one a one one thing is the gar is going to discuss says but this possibly I need I need to tell you that this the you can't the mother and son it's not to tell us extra you're Right. And why does it say plural teaches us this other number one and its mother and its son without the only Ruven one person trade but Ruven and Chim may maybe two people are not on the it's only one person a mother and a son but let's say the mother and the son maybe not it's even two separate people they're also says the fact I learn that first of all two people are but also this case that a grandson and a grandmother on the same day together with the with the daughter you're on to say. So if you a cow and its [snorts] granddaughter and then you the middle one the connector the daughter the daughter of the grandmother the mother of the granddaughter the middle one. Is that confusing? Do you need to see this? Grandmother and granddaughter. Number two. And then number three is the daughter of the grandmother and the mother of the granddaughter. That's very confusing. >> No, not confusing. Okay. So the bishop says you get 40 malus 39 and according to you get 80 78 by time of the reason is it what if a person eats two pieces of fat that are to eat in one awareness. So maybe holds. You hear this? This is unbelievable that if you eat two things that are user to eat in one awareness two, I'm going to show you a video. You're going to get it. And the truth is you say this in general. And we're going to explain what in general means. In other words, even when it's not even by food. We're telling you a big are over here. The what our case is very unique. It's twoim with two different bodies, animal bodies, living beings. You have a grandmother and a granddaughter. They're two different things. Is dead. It's not two different bodies. Even though it's two pieces and two different forks, it's not considered two different pieces because then it's not alive. So it's more of aish to say that you're only one on two separate animals and that's why I said it over here to tell you or perhaps maybe something else. In fact, if you eat two pieces of in one awareness, you you really would only be one. But but over here says no since there are two separate bodies. That's why I think that you should be too the bigger. I think it's mindboggling to say that if you go to a restaurant, you eat McDonald's and it's a double burger, whatever they call it, you five five times. Why? because it has so many for every So now we're going to have some very cool cases. Love these cases. Kime. So you hear the lion kim. What's kime? Kime is when you take the typical rice is when you take a grape seed together with a piece of with a with a piece of wheat and you put it in the ground. That's so what's double my What do you mean you get I have to tell you that if you if you plant you get malus then also it seems like he did two things we're talking about a case where he gets double malus what's the case if he was worn twice and he did two separate actions that we already learned. If he drinks wine all day long, he's only But if they told him, they warned him and he drank and then again they warned him a second time. If they there's this in between every drink then you for each one and one if it's one in the beginning of the day. So even if you drink the whole day only one. So says the so this is a little tricky. He planted at once. How do you plant at once? Says Rashi with your right hand and with your left hand. He planted like a grape seed with wheat with his right hand. And at the same exact time he planted a grape seed with barley with his left. But there was only one warning and that's what he's saying. That's what over here is to and who does this go according to our from our mission that say even though it's two separate animals it's two different only ones in our completely separate entities certainly when it comes to to seeds that are not they're only seeds and we said by by inanimate objects it's not considered so of course you shouldn't get double malus it must be here you have saying we have a source of saying that when it comes to like two pieces of for each and every one it's going according But we're not. It's not what you think. There's two types of the famous says here in order to be says you have to have all three being planted in one in one shot. That's what he says. You have to have a grape seed, a barley and wheat three in order to be. That's what he said. So they come No, it's not true. It's either a grape seed with barley or grape seed with wheat. We actually pass in all types of vegetables. Oh, out came grapes. This is fascinating. He ate from the right side of the animal, the seatic nerve, right? The right side of the animal, the left side. Now, we don't know which side it really is. Gets 80 mus only gets 40. Why? Because is only on one side. If it's one after another and he was warned twice my time why would say at all he shouldn't be why there something called if the warning was was a in other words the people warning didn't know they couldn't tell him that what he's doing is wrong because they didn't know if it's from the right or from the left it's not considered a Oh, a kid doesn't know who his father is and he goes and he's, you know, he has a lot of a lot of uh built up anger. It's either this man or this man. So, here we go. Last case, I think he doesn't know his fathers. He hits this one and then he hits the second one. He cursed one, he cursed Ruben, then he cursed him. Or he hit Reuben and Shim in one shot. Or he cursed both of them. Ruven and one curse. Why? Because it's you're not sure. You can't warn him. You don't know who his father is. So we're talking about it's together and it's only one. And who's the same question that we had before in our case two animals two different batties from double malusk certainly over here it should be oh so you see that even when you don't have a it's one after another and it goes according to let's stop over here it's last line and we're over an hour that goes accord the other in we have whether or not he says isra or not so here it goes like the say is considered have a wonderful day merit of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor atmop.com.