CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 81 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning live from Greece, from Athens, from Yavon. We're holding 10 lines from the bottom of the B and B will catch up to be caught up to. Yesterday was really bad. We started the shear on the top of B. Now we're making our way. We're talking about the is a mother and her offspring a father and his offspring according to when passing like that as there's another is when you sh the second animal the mother and then the son or you the son and then the mother it doesn't matter in what order you the second one it's the nami We're talking about you're not allowed to bring the second one as a carbon at all. You have to wait and since you brought it you should be on another is therefore instead of getting 39 mus you should get 78. You should get double the amount of say is oh is when one leg is longer than the other like in this depiction. The colot is when the hooves are not split. So if you bring a carbon like that says I'll tell you why you're right. But I'm only counting whatever has to do with our side. I'm not counting. I'm not we're not talking about that right now. But we are talking the whole these all these cases that we're actually going to speak about more today. Remember yesterday we're speaking about this for instance this chart right over here of one carbon inside one one carbon outside and these are isim and of of So, let's maybe go to the real case. Let me see if I can find it here real quickly. Uh, here's very good this guy. Oh, so when you outside of Mikd so the first one you're and there's a so says the here we're talking about this of outside nothing to do with with this is a ofd right the second one okay why does the first one get isn't it because of the says you're right. If there's nothing else to count, so I'll give you I'll tell you the other the one that's not important to our but anything that does have a which is our then I'm not going to talk about side. So in our case when there's the of and that's what we're concerned with. So I'm not going to tell you oh and by the way there's another that's not important but if if one of the doesn't have any at all there's no the first one doesn't have the first one you the mother just now the son after the mother so when you the mother there's another laugh because you did it outside so then I mentioned other okay aside and that's today's you know why there's no because it's not allowed in order to get it there has to be it has to be a negative this is a positive it's an that's a positive why the says they could only an animal from the eighth day on from the eighth day and forward forward you have a positive meaning if it's less than 8 days then it's a negative so therefore say this is not a a this is really an it's a it's a positive commandment it's a mitz to not before the eth day and if you do you're on an essay says this is not a typical class essay Typically speaking, the the classic is when a person steals there's a remedy to what you did over here. It's it's not a remedy. It has nothing to do. You should bring your carbon on the eighth day. If you bring a carbon on the seventh day, you're ask but this of I need it for something else. He asked a contradiction an animal. Remember animal has to be at least 8 days old. But it says in the apostle you should be seven days by the mother that the end of the seventh day the beginning of the eighth day that evening it's on the one hand at night it's okay and it says but it says but only from the eighth day on is it okay? So which one is it? Is it the seventh day at night or the eighth day in the morning? Contradiction. Okay. So what do we do to to fix this contradiction the seventh day once the seventh day is over that night you could be mad you could say this is a but the morning eighth morning that's to bring the carba I need this to tell me that at night you are you say this is going to be and in the morning you bring says you're right. But there's a very similar a second and that allows us to learn both that first of all it's a it's not a pure it's more like a positive commandment rather than a negative and therefore there's no malus and the other thing is we're going to learn that you could carbon at night and you bring it in the morning and now we're going to go back to the we had yesterday said and I mentioned it at the end of Shir yesterday and it comes out that according to there is no is ofting a mother and her son the same day when it comes to why holds that in order to be on we No, you have to the mother and then you have to the son. You can't kill the mother and the son. You have to all have to be but the the thing is according to the has to be that's for eating has to be a that accomplishes that you could eat. So let me ask you a question. What if you shuck an animal according to and you find out that it's a trophy can't eat it. Is it user to she the son? And the answer is no. We're going to learn today in the Mishna at least according to the Mishna that when you a you find out it's there's no continue in the sun because it's not a that made it available for eating. Oh. So says by by when you sh it's not available for eating right away because you have to throw the blood and that's another step. But at the first step of at that point it wasn't available for eating and therefore it's not considered for eating. So let's see inside it has to be has to be available for eating otherwise not considered since when it comes to carbon you have to throw the blood you have to sprinkle the blood on them and until you do so it's not a good carbon. So at that point is not a good oh. So let's go back to that case that we had before and let's do this together. Let's play the game. You have two animals that are carbonas and you both of them the mother and the son outside of the so the mother when you the mother you're on you get malus. But according to it's not a good if it's not a good there's no is of and if it's not a good it's available to inside mdash the sun is available the second is available inside mikdash. So let's see the you have two outside you get malus on the second one and that is going to ask right away what do you mean you should get you an available animal that you could inside the because according to the second one is not available to the mikdash so you don't get carus on the second one for shing it outside because it's It's not available but according to the second one you could today in the why because the mother doesn't count the doesn't count. So the second one has nothing to do with the first one. So since it's available you should get let's question in a second since it's going to become available soon. So then it's a it's a which we have to understand. No, if you don't get carus, you don't get the we asked the question. The second one is only the first one you never because the doesn't count. So the is considered a bullet to the head. It's like killing the animal. It's not a it's as if you killed it. So if you killed it. So therefore the second one is available to beed today right right away in the mikdash and you didn't shift it in the mdash. Where did you like in this chart you shifted it outside of the mdash. Oh so you should get on the second one just like you get in the first one. answers and some say just anonymous. You're right. It's missing a word or two. Like we said before that according to this the first one you get second one from but you have to we have to point this out. your father from but you are according to the first one it's a good according to only according to it's not a good accord and then the son that same day what you're not for is the ford why because the second one is not available according to bring today to the but according to but according Since the first one is not a real doesn't affect the second one and the second one is available in the mikdash and you shift it outside boom you get cars for the second one. Now another case here this is rib let's just see rib shim according to rib you get even for the second one if you ch 22 number one outside so let's do the math you the first one outside so what happens you get shing the outside the second one the inside of is not available to right now. So you don't get the cars in the markets but according to the second one is available inside perfect beautiful. So let's see inside. The first one you get the second one is not available for why because it's it's not available. So it's not a real carbon. The second one is perfect. Okay. But according to there's no why because the first one that you shed there's no it's considered killing and when you kill the mother and then you sh the son you're not what about if you reversed it you did the first one inside the mdash and the second one outside the mdash give first one inside mdash is beautiful it's perfect second one outside according to you notice according to let's see the first one is perfect which what's the why wait a minute said there's no when it comes to according to when it comes to there's no because everything is considered a non it's not a good why because you can't eat it the first thing the first animal wasn't considered a at all so you should get foring the animal outside of the This is what he meant. Typically speaking, helps that that what you wouldn't have. So there's no because as long as you don't throw the blood, you're not allowed to eat the meat. And when you do and when you the animal, we don't know if you're going to throw the blood or not. Some people don't throw the blood. Sometimes the blood spills. So I the the the witnesses can't come and say, "Hey, by the way, what you did, you're going to get you're going to get malus now." They can't warn him. You can't warn a guy and say, "Listen, you're going to be on." Why? Because I don't know if he's going to throw the blood. And anytime you have unknown in the in the warning, then it's not a good warning. Says goes according to his own If you have two two animals, one the mother is a mundane a regular typical animal that you would eat at home, but her son is a carbon schlam. The mother is a regular animal. the son if the the regular animal and then inside this goes according to why from because when you the mother the doesn't count sorry the of the of the son of the doesn't count yeah potter so the of the Second one doesn't count. But if you first and then you Why? Because of So really because over here you have you're saying definitely because there's no there's no I'm not concerned that maybe throw the blood. Maybe you won't throw. There's no throwing blood. But listen to this. It changes when we're talking about an there's one Allah is another Allah. Why? Because when it comes to there's a part that you eat, there's a part you don't eat. When it comes to there's no parts that you eat. The whole thing was so what happened you inside if you first and then you second it's I don't know if he's if he's going to do them or not but if you first and you threw the blood so now when it comes to the it's says but when it comes to he Certainly over there it's for sure because I don't know if he's going to pour the blood or not is [clears throat] in both cases you even first since it's not counted as a why is it counted as because nobody gets to eat the the meat and we said that in order for to count you have to be it has to accomplish that you could eat and since you no one is eating the because the entire thing goes on the so didn't accomplish eating says I love this he says no what do you mean nobody ate the ate we know when it comes to pigle we're not going to go into the of pigle so don't worry about it pigle just means means that when a kayen has a thought as he's shing as he's doing one of the avoidas he's thinking that the animal the carbon is going to be eaten outside of its allotted time. So let's say you're allowed to eat it for two days. He thinks that in 3 days from now he's going to eat the steak but it's more than that. If you look at this chart there's four types of eating when it comes to this throwing the blood on is a type of eating. It's a type of food for the misb. Putting the im the the the the parts that you put on the mb the the fat the the kidney whatever you put on that's also eating of the mb the is so to speak eating those. So also has eating. It's a that accomplished that he could eat what's talking about two different types of eating. It's not just when you eat a steak. It's also when the eats the theim or the if you according to that has to be that accomplishes that you could eat it. So what if you the animal and you find that you can't eat it. It's a you can't eat this animal because you know so it's not available for eating if that etc. Should we show the Hold on a second. It's kind of long. It's a lot of a lot of stuff. If you find a person dead between two cities, you measure, you don't know who it is, you measure this closest city has to bring the calf and you decapitate it and you say So if says in all of these there's no when the the meat is not available to eat doesn't count no still in such a If you and you did the wrong move, you you did one of the things that that caused the not to be like, whatever it is, you just you rip out the the you chop the you don't you're noting is only when you're not but if you kill the mother then you're the son that same day now it's beautiful what happened a person an animal now remember when it comes to you're only on the second animal you're always allowed shuck the mother on a regular day on a Monday you let the mother you just not allow the son after you shuck the mother but on the mother you don't get an is the is when you shuck the second one the son you sh the mother the would be on the mother so what happens by think about it there's a concept called meaning that if you do a certain a let's say you're a person murders somebody and while he murders him the bullet rips the shirt as an example I don't know if this is the real thing but since for killing for murdering you don't pay for the shirt you only pay for the you only get one it's not double jeopardy really but you only get one punishment and you get the larger of the two punishments oh so when it comes to person gets. So you wouldn't be on but that's only if is on the second animal. If the first animal is animal which is there's no on the first animal and the second animal is not then this doesn't apply says the sorry that's when it applies that's the only time it can apply. The first one is second one is not. What if the first one is a regular animal? The second one is why you hear what's going on here. It's a thing that if a person is on animal number two, he can't be that's a much smaller and we're not going to count it. He's not going to get mal for that. says even a child knows this. There is a case where even though the second animal was animal, you still how's it possible? So here's a beautiful If a person commits an a that has two components to it like in our case component A is component B is the but the only warned him on the lesser of the two said you're they didn't realize that he's doing they didn't care about whatever the thing is do we say the fact is at the end of the day he did and he did so what if he wasn't warn this is an a that has a larger component to it. He shouldn't be for that for even the smaller component or no since the ignored the larger one. Let's let's guy at least for the smaller one. So that's between she says they would have been even if they didn't do also they argue in the same exact thing somewhere else. I think what I was going to say why do I need them targeting two places and that's the end of the Here's the case a person is if he would do it deliberately but he did it by mistake same thing and he did let's say He stole a piece of meat that's a so he's on the stealing and he's on a so there's a component of a monetary component he stole it he has to pay he's for the money part why at the end of the day there's No. So you have to pay the but it's a case that had they warned them it would have been of a much larger amount a much larger thing. So therefore you don't you don't pay the the smaller thing. Had they warned him on the part he wouldn't have had to pay. So it's it's as if they warned him and he's or it's it's that kind of a that there such a there's a there's a large component a small component he's say both cases our case by a person and and the case over there where there's a money component if it only talks about somebody over here there's a which is affects the body and there's malus which affects the So that's why says but when you have to just pay money maybe she should pay if it only says the case of the money that that he has to pay the small amount when it comes to the malus and the the two compon two two things that have to do with a person's body maybe you would agree agree that he's potter. I need the two arguments. Raoai, have a wonderful day. Regards from Yavan Zazm. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.