CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 76 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning. Today we're going back to Trafus. But before we do, we have to finish yesterday's D. We're holding by Omar Zeri a little bit below the halfway line on B 24 lines from the bottom. Wow. One of the most fascinating in all of the when there's a fetus there's a baby inside the mother cow sheep and you sh the mother in certain situations you don't have to do a at all on the baby you can just eat it there are certain shuri says even if the animal gets up and walks around. Even if it lives a long time afterwards, it could live 5 years. All you do is knock it over the head with a bat, kill it, and then you eat it. You don't have to do so says like that even if it walks around even in the ninth month, even a fullterm animal. This is where they got the idea in Australia that if you have a couple the father and the mother cow let's say are benua then their offspring automatically are bipa for all generations who the himself is again we're talking about the problem is the zer that people are going to think that you could eat animals without imagine if this project would have taken off in Australia. So the the next generation like I'll give you an example like kids where I grew up in where I lived in Chicago for many years. So a typical kid didn't know there such such a thing as not you're not allowed to carry on chabas. They don't know you grow you're born with an avid has a so you don't even know it's an issue. Then one day they tell you oh the is down. What are you talking about? What? What do you mean? You're allowed to play basketball now. Here, tell they if it becomes a thing that you don't have to sh this animal. There's no tra so the next generation won't even know about. It's one of the concerns. Anybody that speaks Hebrew, what's a duba? Is a beer. Over here, Rashi says duba is a is a wolf. And in fact the famous story with when the when the the she the goats >> went into the forest and they came out with dubim on their says it's wolves came out with wolves on their horns. >> He he's consistent that duba is is earlier. >> Yeahi means wolves. Exactly. That the wolves hate that that part of the >> pictures of beers. >> Yeah. Of course they say that's where it comes from. That's where it comes from. No. Uh so that was that was um attacked by a wolf. So he got a little bite by a by by a wolf. What's the big deal? You can't tra him up. He's a bakua. You could you could cut him with a saw. You could cut him by a wolf. You can knock his head off. You could shoot him. You can do whatever you want. You allow to eat it for generations. Even said that you need only it son. really doesn't hold that. He was just saying that according to even agrees that you can't eat the future generation only first generation argues on this even a fullterm fetus that walks around for 5 years plowed the fields you're allowed to kill it and eat it without a We have another rule that all are like if he says something is like him automatically in all nice I disagree I don't believe that is like everywhere in fact is not like him anywhere only in two places is like only twice. What's means a person that's in danger? His life is in danger. A person that's dying. If a person is being led away in chains, in other words, he's about to die. He has the death penalty. And in the last second, he goes, He says, "Write a get to my wife." Now, what what what did he forget to say? >> He forgot to say, "No, he didn't say give it to her." He said, "Right again." Okay. Right. But since he's he's not his brain is not operating on all cylinders. We understand what he wants. He said, "Right, what he meant is give." It was probably a situation where there was a problem of yum. He didn't want his wife to fall to the brother-in-law that she doesn't like. So he said he meant that she should get a get before he dies. And then they said, "You know what? Let's add to this. Even somebody go in those days, you know, a 50/50. If you went on one of those rickety wooden ships, you're going to to make a little good chance you're not coming back." So somebody says, he meant give it. The same applies to somebody who's sick and dying. when he says he means to new. So we passing even in that case of what's that maybe I'm just thinking about here you have guy buys a bunch of fruit he has a fruit he has to give 10% to the ley the ley once he gets the 10% he gives 10% of what he has which is one apple he got 10 he takes one and gives to the kite that's trumas miser now this is the whole story right over here this guy is the amarit of shas we use him as he's selling fruit and sometimes or most of the time actually he does give trumas he's good his stuff is good but we call it said we got to we can't trust him on the truma part because it's only one or two% we trust him but on a 10% give to the ley we don't trust him so therefore you have to take the the the the micer yourself. Now you bought fruit from an amarat. You have to take also you have to separate the trumus micer part the part the le you're not a the part that the lady would give to the card you have to separate what happened was you separate it and then it got right it got mixed in right back to all the fruit. So now let's just see it's really should say trumas micer micer. So we we allow him to ask if you took truth of my >> tell you sold me. You took my Sarah, right? >> Sure. >> I'm my sire everything. >> I'm my you he doesn't even know how to say my. So why do we trust him? Because it's a great loss. It's a heuba. So we trust him. That's the second passing fell after you separated fell into the pile. Why is it a great loss? Cuz now you have a bunch of fruit that only one type of person could eat it. Rabi Shonberg and Donnie F and those guys. So the price is very very low. So because we don't want him to sell we don't want to be able to sell only to so we say you could trust in this case says that oh and it says this over here even in a weak day says the difference because he says only shabas he says he has the fear of shabas you hear this even and there's a famous joke what even has the fear of Shabasna. So now we're going back to a little bit. So let me just show you this real quickly. This is the uh build of an animal's hind leg. Hind leg. It's a little bit more complex than a human's leg cuz we have two major bones. Animals have three. These are the three major bones. They have the thigh on top. That thigh, the red, they have the shank, the purple, and they have a what they call a cannon, the long one. Now, as we're going to see the if the thigh bone on top breaks, there's no mus. Everybody agrees that the animals trafe if if you not break sorry cut severed cut. If you cut the green one on the bottom that's why it's green according to everybody the animal is not a tra what we're going to discuss three-way m is actually in the per the purple. So according according to uh Rab Yehuda the it's the two top bones are red. In other words the the purple is also red. He considers it if it breaks if you you cut the middle bone the purple bone tra that would look like this. Anywhere on those two bones you cut trafe. Kamulan says no the opposite the middle bone is actually green the middle bone is green so if you cut the middle bone 100% ker so where's the third cheita how can you have a third cheita the third cheita is papa he's a little bit of here a little bit there depends what part of the bone the bottom part next to the toyen is red. So, by the way, you see that funny bone that sticks out over there? I forgot what it's called. Like, it pops out that way. >> That's right. Right over there. Right over there is is where the is where this famous like the Achilles tendon tendons. Let's call a bunch of tendons. So, that area if you cut says Raf Papa no good. But if you cut above, it is good. >> What's the obvious question? >> It it seems it doesn't make any sense. You cut below, it's okay. You cut above, it's okay. But you cut in the middle, it's not okay. Wait a minute. How can you cut above and still be okay? You aren't you cutting senus and all that stuff? We actually had it in a few times, this exact idea. And that's all we're discussing right now. That's the that's the that's the um of today. Well, we're going to have more but that's that's the main that's the gist of this whole right here says the an animal that it's back feet are cut is a joint for the most part. Now if we look over here there's quite a few joints here but there's there's you can see over here it says arua you see aruva so this joint number one between the thigh and the shank is one joint there's another joint right over here between the shank between the purple and the green which rashi doesn't really address the the the the joint part he calls calls the entire shrink bone the joint. It's actually between the English art school and the Hebrew art school in their picture. In the English, he calls the joint a joint cuz he doesn't like I guess the the English art school didn't like the fact that the whole bone, it's not a joint, it's a bone. But the Hebrew, which is more accurate, I think because it came out later, they and in Rashi seems like it's pretty obvious that it's he's talking about the whole bone. So, we'll see. again ara is a joint from any from the joint down that's where the is what joint that's how you could have is it talking about only the lower joint and that's why you only have one little part green or something about the upper joint and then you have two giant bones that are green that you're allowed to that if they're cut it's not a tra but once you go above the joints that certainly the thigh bone is above the all joints but maybe even the shank ank is above the lower joint this animal. So we're going to talk about the gidden we already showed it once show it again. What if there's a broken bone? So sometimes a broken bone is so severe that it can't heal and the animal will die. If there's a lot of the majority of the flesh around it, the muscle, the flesh. So it could survive then you could eat this animal. If you don't have a majority of meat all this will be explained in great detail. We're talking about the lower joint. So number one lower joint. So it says let's go to what is okay from the joint. He still didn't explain what joint. What's if the the leg was severed above the joint? What joint? You see, when when you sell a head of an animal, there's very little meat in there. So, you have to compensate the buyer. So, you give him the lower part of the leg, the green part in this picture. So, we're talking about the lower joint. What can you do with that lower part? I guess from it. We're talking about the upper joint that you could recognize right away. I think this is what it means. I just put an arrow here. I hope I'm right. The the joint that is very visible in a camel. Cuz if you take the same joint in a cow, it's like it's hidden. You don't really see that joint. There's a lot of meat, a lot of there's no in a camel. is right there. It's a different color the whole thing. Yeah. So that's an upper joint. The upper joint m what? So let's What is he saying? What he's saying is I'm going to the upper joint. Everything to the upper joint is green. If you sever any part in the green even the cannon even sorry the shank the even the green the middle bone sever it kosher it's from the upper joint and top the thigh bone that's the big problem I have I have a question connect according to that it's only the thigh bone that's severed. In other words, I'm talking about the upper the upper joint. There's a second that if you sever which is lower down on the shank bone almost in this area right over here with that funny protruding bone. I now it makes sense there's two number one is if you cut the red bone trafe not only that but if you cut the tendons the senus on the green bone also trafe but according to you that you say that if you cut these two red bones it's tra not only that if you cut the red bone with the it's already t from cutting the bone why do you have to tell me that you caught the so it's not so he says the obvious answer wait a minute what if you just just cut the without cutting the bone that's what I meant if you cut the tendons just the tendons on the on that chain bone the the middle bone you're also matrift animal and if you cut the bone without the tendons you also but that's not a good ter why so let's see I'm talking about the upper joint It makes sense. If you cut the thigh bone, trafe if you cut below the thigh bone, not tra. But if you cut the g below the the thigh bone, yes, trafe. So we have two different add something. But you say that below the thigh bone. In other words, the shone. The two red bones in this picture. If you cut them, you are making the animal. So what did you add by cutting? if you cut that the bone the shank bone the middle bone you're you're you're making a tra without cutting the without cutting any senus I am saying I'm saying that if you cut the the um the senus even without touching the bone you made a tra but he says that doesn't fit into the lion I'm very on the lion the lion says means it's a complete separation. A new word anyways when you sever the bone means you sever the bone completely with the su with everything. That's what means rahud didn't know what to say. He couldn't he couldn't fix his say how can you say that the the is cutting the bone without the senus or cutting the senus without the bone means you're cutting both of them the boss after he left my I had a great a great comeback why why was I why was I quiet as if I I was defeated my liar you're Right. Below what's okay, what's kosher below the red below the lower joint. That's great. >> The canal. Oh, so what he's changing is this. I just put it over here. He's saying that in the the the shank bone. Let's zoom in because I did this, you know, so it's not the best. Until now we were saying that the whole shank bone is red. Cut anywhere on the red shank bone. No good. Now says let me I should have said no there's a part of the shank bone that's lower down that if you cut that bone it's it's kosher only above the the top part of why why is it kosher? because that's the area. This is the area of the sagen. So if I cut the sagen then then it's tra but if I cut the bone over there it's not. When I meant to say that cutting the bone on the shank bone I only meant one part of the shank bone the upper part of it. No, you're >> in other words, we're changing a little bit of the I'm rebud is changing until now. He asked me a question on the entire shank bone. No, there's two parts of the shank bone. Similar to what Rapa says in reverse. Rapa says the exact opposite. He says it's green on top, red on the bottom. He says no, it's green on the bottom. The whole lower part, this makes a lot of sense actually. there's a part of the shank bone and lower that it's it's completely kosher unless you se where it says so he says the thought about it he says no no no when when we spoke about before he he came back to me and he said the word means everything was severed let's be in the words just like before he was against me in the word means the the bone and it say were severed. Here's another problem. It says from the joint and up. The joint is in this picture where the green ends and the red begins. That's where the joint is. >> You can't say, "Oh, no. I didn't mean the first seven in above the joint." It says from the joint. It means from the joint. The first millimeter above that green is is already tra. So, you can't play games here. So that it's a good thing I didn't answer him that. Then finally we have the rapa says what does a joint mean? The joint means the upper joint by the thigh. We're talking about the lower lower bone. That's kosher. If you se over there it's kosher. Right. This area right over here with that funny bone. That's the the area. Everything below that is kosher. The upper means the red bone right over here, the thigh. And he didn't address at all the the middle bone, the shank. So too if the was removed the lower part of the shank bone if you cut it over there where the tag is on the shank bone red no good the upper part. So you see what's going on here? It's green, red, green, which is a big problem logically. How do you have green above a red? How could you sever the lower part is red? If I sever over there, the animal strafe, but if I go higher up on the bone, then it's okay. Didn't I hit the same uh senus and everything on top? But that's what he says. Noob shot. There's a complete red on top the the thigh. You hit the thigh. Trafe on the bottom. Totally kosher. The middle bone depends the lower part of the middle bone where the to is above that green. What does it mean? The the joint. It's referring to the upper joint. The upper joint. And that's why it says the thigh is Oh, sorry. Yeah, you're right. and the animal live but lower down if you cut it it's going to die take it very seriously no this is this is a fact you cannot bring logic when it comes to you can't like we had it I forgot with the spleen or something hole in this should be a tra just cuz a hole in that and brings this what if you cut below it will die above. It's not about logic. It's about a fact. I It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. But you know what? If you're going to cut it over here, it's going to die. It's going to die. I don't know why it's going to die. Lower down higher up. Higher up. Uh higher up. No. Okay. So, now we're moving on to another. We're still We're still in a tra here. Here we go. It's Oh, should I should I show you real quickly? So, over here you have this giant guy and then you have these two guys right over here. Let me just show you real quickly on my glove. You see two and one. This is from the We took this from the This is ours. I'm trying to get my money's worth. couldn't eat it. I might as well show it. So once again, these are senus and they go down over here. We show the fat. There's different ones. Okay. So now real quickly, Gerson, you got it. Push a button over there. Meaning a gar is a is a bone. So if you look closely over here, you see this funny bone sticking out the protrud it's it's midair where the senue is not touching the bone. It's from that line from the bone but above it. That's the next is the one that's actually hugging the bone. So it's the it's the above lower. What's above the arkuma? So there's a bone here. You see this little, it's hard to see. It's called in English a talis. It's a small bone right over there. You see like in the joint. It helps the joint. >> The middle one. >> No, no, no. >> Let me take a a laser. >> This right over here. This bone. It's a small bone. It's not You can see there's a cut. There's a break in it. So now that that's let's turn that off for a second so I can go v that area from that bone above is the above is the talisone. We have to include also the bone itself here. That's the bone. So we're going to add a little bit more to what he just said. Not only number three but number four as well. Not just number four. Don't listen to them only the area number three where the butchers cut open and whatever that's exactly what we said before above the bone. So that's is above the same thing. No, that's where the the the senus come together. No, they they attach. You see like over here, you see where they come together on this uh I don't think we have a picture of it. >> So is action junction. >> A junction. Yeah. Where they come together. Show it on this >> over here where where like where it says number four like where they come together over there. Yeah, we did freeze it. Listen to me. I heard this from a great person. Great. This time that's where the the junction where they all come connect together it goes upwards. So from in this picture I guess it's like from over here down here where they the junction almost where that green arrow is a little bit below the green arrow and then it goes upwards to here and then goes into the meat. So this area that's the the on the shank bone basically from the beginning of the shank bone and up. If you're talking about a bully, so it's four fingers. What about a small animal? If it pops out, it's if the if the if the senus are um not swallow, what's a good word? Absorbed in the the meat. That's not if they're very hard. You should you should feel these. They're they're tough. That's if they're very soft. Those are already not the thick. That's small ones. Thin. Yeah. Thin ones. Not white. If they're like pale, see-through, how do you say see-through? Clear. If they're clear, clear. You're right. As we saw there's three senior major um one is very thick. We managed to saw it live, right? If sigal lima if the major one rips as the bin then most of the structure went f here let's see here we go here's the big one and the two smaller ones if you sever the large one so you you most of the structure went cuz the large one is larger than both of the smaller ones if two of the small ones snap asan then you you're at a three. Two out of three are gone. So it's a it's a problem. He says, "No, you could use this for us to say that this animal's kosher. If the large one snaps, you have two left. If if the two small ones break, I have most of the structure and that's okay. I'll remind you of the video. It's Kadis again. Beautiful video from Ravish. >> Yeah. 16 Gen 11 on this side and five on the other side. And you can see 18 gig. Even just one of them is snapped. It's safer. >> Okay. So the 16 11 on one side, five on the other side. story. I was there by who's name the son of by his father and they brought in front of a bird. He only found 15. He noticed that one of them is slightly different in size than the other. He opened it up. So, it's a trick to make sure they have 16. And sometimes it's hiding. Says Rav, check this out. If one of them, the majority of it snaps here. You could see it's severed. Only a ro, but the other two are intact. That's enough to make a tra. One of them is snapped for for the majority. 51% of it is snapped. Tra. So says no I argue there's three total senus. So what if one snapped there's two left that's arrive two out of three is arrived is there that's because you had two what even like we see we say shoelace in English even it has like a string of a fishing line nothing left to it that's enough to keep it kosher So, but you need that string in all three. Yeah. So, you have if you have three that are severed, but they have they're still holding on by a a thread. Thank you. A thread kosher. And you said no. Some say not like means not of one of all three is severed three each one has a third. Why is that a problem? He said the name even if there's a thread in each one then it is kosher. If we stop here, we're going to be in a big problem. Huh? Um, we don't have a choice. Raoai, have a wonderful day. >> Meritus of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.