CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 75 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. When we have So you have a donkey and you redeemed the donkey with a sheep. But what if the sheep was found inside a mother who was are you allowed to use that for? Now obviously we're talking about a benua that's worth how much? Less or more than the donkey? >> Less. must be less because [clears throat] if it's worth more then there's no question I can use tissues I can use potatoes anything does this have of a of a of a sheep [clears throat] holds that a fullterm fetus that was born that that he found a bakqua requires a it's not considered a benua It's not even a question since it requires so it's a regular sheep. So you could do it, you could use it as a but where's the question according to that say that even a full-term fetus is considered a benu. Let's just consider it like a bunch of meat packaged up ready to go. It's in a pot. You can't use chopped meat for and that's what it is. Yes, it's walking around, but it's edible meat. It's not packaged meat. It's running around. It's jumping. So, this is a regular sheep. Why? Why do you say that you can't use it? You're learning from the what? It says in the by it must be born. There's another that we're going to learn today. But it has to be born. It can't be ceserian. So what this animal this was it born? No. So you can't use it and you learn from that you can't use it. But if you're going to learn from PES, so let's make a complete comparison. The to know that a P must be a male without has to be less than a year. So to buy says, you're right. But there's a special that you could use even something that doesn't have all the attributes of a current. It could be an then add in also the maybe you should be able to use a I have another to take something off. I'm going to remove the ben from there. Something that wasn't even on the list. We're talking about very it's not a very complicated topic. It starts off on the top that person is then it goes down. It keeps on going down. In other words, if you were to touch the top top thingat so you drop down one level, you become there's certain things that start off asatum like aatum. If you if you touch a zv touches you, you drop down one level and you become a rish a rish has the the z has the ability to be mama even a cle even a vessel or a person a person or a vessel that's a touches something else food then that food drops down one level becomes a sheni. So the question is what if a dead rat a dead lizard touches a mother animal that was and inside her stomach there's a benqua do we view the bakua and the mother as one so when the sheer touches the mother she becomes a reish and the bmpakua remains a reish it's like if I'm touching an an apple on the outside of the apple so the entire apple inside everything the seeds they all become a rish you don't say oh the outside is on the inside is a shame or we view the mother and the fetus as two separate entities and therefore when I when I touch the mother with a dead rat she becomes a baby drops down the baby's touching the do we consider two separate entities it's considered two separate You don't. In other words, it's they're both they're both the same. Says the two separate entities says no, it's one. It's like this. [snorts] So yeah, even though this is like a fetus inside a stomach, even though it's separate, but it's not separate. It's within the kipa. tuma I mean there's tuma to the entire animal you touch you touch the skin the whole thing the heart becomes everything becomes it's one entity it's one thing the apple also tuma the inside should become so we had this before after you the mother you cut off this leg that's the protruding the rest of the fetus becomes tummy What kind of is not says okay but there's a little bit of a of a soar as a simple question if you say it's one entity in order for something to become you have to have you have to make it prepared you have to prepare it for how do you prepare it you pour on it one of the seven liquids one of the seven liquids is the blood of the so this blood of the on the mother and that works also for the baby but if you say it's two separate entities how did the baby become prepared to receive the it didn't have one of the seven liquids this is also we said then I don't know if anybody will remember what do we have Remember we had a whole about whether or not the actual is enough to to be to prepare the animal for even if there's no blood during the we discussed how is it possible even to an animal if you don't hit the jugular if it lost a lot of blood whatever the case is you and no blood came out is that is that there's no one of the seven liquids you don't have seven liquids it's Okay. Says it's fine. It says that it must go through the river and when it goes through the river this guy he becomes it's a crazy I mean it's fascinating I should say crazy. You have a live animal a live animal. Who ever heard of a live animal is human beings become tummy. This is the first time I ever heard of a live animal that becomes says if he goes into a river, he becomes he becomes prepared before he goes into the river. No, but he has he's prepared through the river. He goes into says I say the mother and the fetus are two separate entities. So therefore you have to dunk him in a but according to you say it's one entity. What's the problem? He already had through the blood of the mother says we're talking about the [clears throat] didn't have any blood at all according to everybody else that you need to have a liquid and the itself is not good enough. So that's the problem here. Who's the T that says that goes that has water on him and then he goes to become an animal goes to Bak becomes he's able to give over to food but on condition that you prepared him with with one of the seven liquids impossible. When you have a live animal, it can never become according to his own which we just mentioned also will say the same thing that we just said. Here's another fascinating I don't know I don't remember this from last time around. When does a fish fish is food? When does a fish receive tumo? Unbelievable. You don't need to it. You need to trap it. Why? There is no on a fish. But it's alive. It's a live being and it's but only only if it's in your net. If it's swimming around the ocean and it touches another dead fish, it doesn't become. But if it's in a net, you know these giant nets with thousands of fish and half of them are dead. So the ones that are alive just became tummy pel. So now you have a tummy fish zooming around in the ocean touching other fish. Makes everybody tummy. It's crazy. It's not true. They need to die. Say when they die. says when they can't live any longer. What does that mean? This is not a great video, but just you know how they the fish they they they jump around. They thrash around. So when they thrash around to a point where even if you toss them back into the water, I'm not a big fisherman, but you know, there comes a point where this guy is not going to live anymore. Another Listen to this says, "Oh, did I even explain according to as long as it's about to die, it's thrashing around, but it's if you put it back in like the little shark that's [laughter] it has half life, but no matter what, it's not going to live." You know, this guy's a goner. So, according to that's that's already uh it's what do you call it? It's mabma. It's mab, but it's alive. If it's not alive, it's any they still say no, it has to be dead. You need you need zero pulse. According to even if it has a pulse, but you know that it's going to die within a minute or two, it's comes and asks, "What if a fish has a hook straight in its mouth or its heart, you know, it's not going to live long?" Is that because according to anything that's about to die is not going to survive is now don't exist by fish. We don't have reminds us there's another if a means that it must die or not. Whether you hold that a tra could live survive or not that's not important. We understand that a only could only live maximum 12 months. An animal has a lot of life to it. Fish are considered compared to animals, they don't have that much life. Why not? They can't survive on earth. So that it's it's it's hard to understand for me at least. But but you can't a human being can't survive in the water since it's considered dead. It doesn't have a life. So it's this guy. It has a hook in its heart and his lung. I don't know what if you say that it doesn't have to survive. That's applies to animals. Then since they don't have they don't have if an animal gives birth miscarries a non fullterm animal non full so it's eight month when we're talking about a cow 8mon is non fullterm so it's very interesting shil here again I'm talking about these are sh the whole perk is just interesting question after interesting question the the fat of an animal we of it's check this out you get. Now the question is the fat of this fetus does it have a of and therefore you get cars or it has a of but a difference a lighter is you get cars you don't get cars you get malus at the end of the day it came out into the world it's regular gets cars is like a wild animal which the is but this one in particular is also why he says no it's the the month and once this this guy never made it to full term so is that of the opposite no the opposite if it didn't come to full term is actually it's nothing. Another interesting story, he goes into the animal for a piece of fat, rips a piece of fat out of a fetus that's in the in the mother's stomach and it's a fullterm animal. It has regular >> Yeah. He didn't [clears throat] hate it. >> He ate it. But the question is what is what he gets. Why? Cuz a full term animal. And he's that's it. It's like an you don't get car. It's But you don't get cars. Why? You need two things. You need a combination. You're right. It's a ninemonth baby, but it never came out to the world. So therefore, it's not considered It says over there in the that when you bring a carbon so you put on the you put this stuff. Yeah. There's certain parts of the animal you have to put on the the kidneys the fat. You see the fat on top. Okay. So you shift an animal a carbon and then you find a uber inside. The uber is like a carbon. Do you have to cut a second cut, go into the fetus and take its uh kidneys and its fat out and put it on the You don't have to. You don't have to you don't you don't put on. So other as well. This is beautiful. You'll see it's mish cuz he says look if I I hold that [clears throat] the fetus is considered an animal. So that's why I need a to say it's an animal. So why you should put the fat on the Here's a mother. Here's the Uber. Put both fats on the Why you not? No. I need a P to tell me you don't according to you. It's not considered an animal. Why? It wasn't born yet. So it's not considered an animal. Why do I need a Don't put this fat under his ve? Of course you don't put it. It's not it's not a you think it's like a checkmate the opposite. He says I have a checkmate from you just told me I have a checkmate. What do you mean? Where did I get this that it's not an animal? I got it from this because the says don't put the fat of the fetus on the m I that the fetus and the mother are not one of the same. The two separate no this is this is not even an animal over here he's we're going to go the opposite way is going to use this against not the opposite [laughter] the says that you don't bring the of the fetus onto them I understand why the Torah said not to it's time to corrupt because this fetus is not considered an animal. How come according to you? The Tory said it's good but we know that an animal who's less than 8 days old you can't bring as a carbon. It's an animal. It's that but you can't bring it as a carbon over here also. It's an animal. You can't bring it as a as you can't bring the the onbar. It's not old enough. Whatever it is, the whole thing now you bring him to before then not. Oh, so this is we had right about if you find a fullterm baby is it a benour or not? Now you find out that the mother is a traa. Think about it also a galica question. When you find out that the mother is a traa and you cannot eat the mother what about the you perform in the mother does it work for the baby? You can't eat the b you can't eat the mother but could maybe you could eat the mother or maybe not. Maybe they're if the if the doesn't work for the mother, it doesn't work for the baby. Or maybe they're not they're not dependent. It's a good it just happens to be you can't eat the the right leg, but you could eat the left leg. I don't know. Maybe they're not connected. [cough and clears throat] According to says that you cannot use the baby can't eat the baby without you have to do the baby is not dependent on the mother. It's a complete different entity m what does m mean raita obviously you have to sh the baby mater but if you say that the that you don't have to do for the baby it's a real bakua even in the ninth month so then we have a problem here the mother wasn't really she was but she's a train you can't eat her so therefore you can't eat the baby Why? This is a not everybody holds like this but says you have two options. You can sh the mother and p the the the baby with the same or if you want the baby. You have to do on the baby. Let me show you a picture. When weed the animal was not a tra and I paid for it. So may I got to take those this royal gave in a yellow bag and give it to my who was married to a daughter of a she's daughter of a and he actually gets out till today. So you have to take from the fetus you have to give this this gift to the client and if the fetus died without the time it's t how's it how's it died without cuz you're using the mother so now you dancing over here mayor why do you have to do because it's not a real bakua who holds it's not a bimbua mayor so if you hold like that it's not then of the mother help it it's impossible you're going like bring the same exact brought by so we're just going to repeat but the difference is that this is the author of Bryce right like the same that we just learned on top of this five lines ago the mother is a but you found a fullterm baby inside you have to you have to give but if the fetus died without it's not it's not a good why because you like but if you it's not because you like so how could you be like that's not that's not a good He didn't die afterwards. He was dead to begin with. But you are telling me a case where he's still alive now. Now we have a problem. I also could get out of this. There's two ways that you could also the [clears throat] fetus. We hold this this holds. You could also sh the fetus. He sold came there. We had many times when he went there went there heard saying this over the mother you can check the baby you have two options agrees with you so agrees who argues who argues who throughout the entire argu so if I tell you oh agrees with you meaning doesn't >> ml It's like a question. Does he argue? Says also fascinating was polite like they teach the today. You have to you listen. You listen to your wife. Just hear her out all the way till she finishes. Don't don't interrupt. Listen. He didn't interrupt. He's waiting waiting. Then finished. And then steps out. There was a missed opportunity for the all for generations upon generations. All he's going to say doesn't know the same thing was drinking whoever was they're saying didn't hear whether or not argued with and therefore we will never know if there was an argument or not. We know what holds we don't know what what holds. The bottom line is you have to wait around. Don't run around. Don't run away to get a drink or leave. You have to be patient. Don't say wait until you hear otherwise be a missed opportunity for the rest of your life says. So check this out in this in this video. Maybe [music] fast forwarded 3/4 of the way all the way to 3/4. More, more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more. Uh, so here we have a mature bull, 5 years old, dies. He's a bakua. You allowed to eat it or not? Says even a 5-year-old. But what is he arguing on? Say even a fullterm baby. There's a big argument. according to once the animal this baby puts his feet down on the ground it's all over not but people won't know and they'll come to eat animals without they'll do it to other animals >> that's why maybe that's one of the reasons on this you can see reasons why they they stopped the if you hold that have to be concerned about the father who the father is you have a wedding, you have done the father is comes from the mother comes from a regular family and they have a baby. So now let's think about it. If two ben pakas get married then the baby doesn't need doesn't their offspring doesn't need what if one of them got married one of them is uh one of them is bakqua. So it comes out that one of his is from one is or every sim 50% is not. So what do you do? He says let's see what he says here. He says beautiful better than I explained it. He says listen to this think about it. If the animal has one sim he's born with one sim. [snorts] So you can't why not then you left what's the answer the answer it's like this this cow was born with one only mother you can't do you can't do in a part he gets one for free you can't one simmon You can't check the second one. We were wondering about this for a few weeks. [clears throat] When we have an animal like like this that has it doesn't have split hooves and a camel, right? Why? Anything that's weird, you remember. And because he has weird feet, you remember. If you have a double whammy over here, the mother has non-split hooves and the baby has. So I wrote over here and I went back to the to see it. It says over here that the brings that one of the at his own son's brought a few animals and told these are took an axe chopped their head off instead of chopped their head off and and barbecue them right on the spot. Why? Because it's a double based on this. You have two things that are interesting. People will not make a mistake and say, "Oh, you're allowed to kill an animal with an ax cuz in the middle of and this whatever the two things to me when there's two weird things interesting things people will know and and remember and not make a mistake. The whole idea is that people might think that you're allowed to eat animals without when it's different nobody will make that mistake. Have a wonderful day. >> [music] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com [music] or sponsor at mdyop.com.