CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 69 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. Yesterday we discussed this case. That's basically what we're discussing today and that is that a pregnant animal you doan you don't have to perform to the fetus because that's called a benua. But what if the animal the fetus stuck its leg out for a moment and then brought it back in? So we saw yesterday between and Rav says that part that came out you can't eat that was already born that little part and when you bring it back into the body the mother doesn't apply to that part says no there's no such thing you could you could do to the mother and you could even that part. So let's see how it looks like. This is Rav Rav says the peace that comes out is they say these words basically the same exact thing just different words when that limb goes out it was born. You can't unborn something. If a child is born you can't put it back in in its mother's stomach and say oh it wasn't born. It was born. Can't there's no that's it. It's that it's over. The leg came out, it was born. Another length, leg came out, it was born. The question is why is it said in different words? It's the same exact thing addresses that they say slightly different. The same idea but different words once the the the hand the leg both come out. Yesterday somebody came over to me in the Shir and said it's only the hand because the leg makes it a not true. It could be anything says there's no such thing as one limb being born. You need a you need something substantial. But what's the difference between these two on the screen? They both say the same thing. The a itself that went out is or it was born and therefore it's both more beautiful in this case like right over here only part of the foot came out part of the hand came out but the rest is still inside the mother. So the rest that's inside the mother is it also according to rav or not? If you say the whole limb was born so I don't care how much came out once part of it came out a significant part the rest is also aeron yesterday said >> your son noam said what >> he says so then it would be the opposite and and if and according to the other the other lion no whatever comes out comes out the whatever ever whatever is born that's what's according to the second that it's a lea it's a birth so it doesn't matter if some of it is left inside even the part that's left inside is still to eat because the whole limb was was born but he so your son said so then there' be another if only part of it came out a little uh 10% of the leg came out would be completely mut to eat according to the because it wasn't wasn't born and he's right discuss it here we go we're starting with the questions Now a lot of questions today and they start getting more and more interesting according to says that there's no such thing as a limb being born. You need a If the fetus sticks out the hand and then pulls it back in. That's the right hand. And then he stuck out his left hand and then he stuck out his right leg and then he stuck out his left leg. Then he stuck out his spine. Rashi says and finally he did he did enough that total the front and the back and the right and the left they all equal to 60% of the whole fetus and at the end of the day when you add up all the hands and feet that he stuck out you have 60% and only a small amount is left inside and therefore the entire thing is considered that that was born the of the mother does not work on that whatever is left over inside according to there's no lea to limbs so every time he pulls it back in it wasn't born so the 10% that he pulled out they put out in the beginning doesn't combine with the 10 the second 10% and the third 10% they don't combine because there was never a birth every time he he he stuck it out he pulled it in there was never birth. So how do you combine these totals? You can't. So then says, "Oh, so then let me continue my question. So I I'll roll with you. Every time he pulls it back in, it cancels the birth. There's no birth at all. So therefore, there's no roy birth. What if he chopped it off? Every time the front the front right came out, chop. Front left came out, chop. Back right came out, chop. [snorts] So now together there's a pile over there of chapped limbs and together there was a birth until there was 60% at the end of the day you have 60% laying on the ground there a birth needs to be a 60% birth at one shot not peace meal chopped up meatsh So if you look at the Mishna, the Mishna says like this four lines down. If you take a piece of the of the fetus and you cut it while it's still in the mother's stomach, I'm just reading I'm reading the the first gives us that if you cut let's say the leg of the animal, you stick a knife into the stomach, cut the leg out off and the leg remains inside and then you chef the mother says the mission allowed to eat that leg even though it wasn't attached to the fetus. Then the Mishna finishes off. Here's the total rule. If it's part of the mother animal, like her kidney, a part of her kidney, and then you the mother, you're not allowed to eat that kidney. Why? Because the kidney when you cut it. But the continues, if it's part of the fetus and you cut the leg of the fetus, it remained inside it. What did the Mishna add in the Mishna? If you cut part of the animal while it's still inside the animal, you allow to eat it through the the of the mother. And then the mission says must be is coming to say a big what's the big top line what's the why why why is the mission repeat itself last week is telling us this this if you cut a bunch of limbs off and a little part of the animal remains the fetus some of it remains inside the mother's stomach and then you shake the mother you let it eat that little part that it's not considered a birth to the whole animal. It's not coming to say that. It's coming to say the that we saw yesterday. This part of when if it gave birth to a camel looking animal that it's it's not paras doesn't have the split hooves. So if it remains in the stomach, you're allowed to eat it. If it came out, it's if you have a meaning it's not a son of a of a cow. That's because it came out to the world. That's what the Mishna is saying. I have a rule. If it remains inside the mother's stomach, even though it's not my first, I'm allowed to eat it. Another interesting question. said this is the B mikdash a very rudimentary picture from back in the day that red those red dots that's where you the animals that's the in the mdash you people could go into the on the left side but the right side the right square on the side that's where all the happens that's where everything happens that's where the misb is you put it on top of the misb etc we know that when you have there's two categories of animals kumachum you have the kasum the kas once you chef that you can't come out of these red walls so these red walls are and our whole we're talking about like mentioned before how do we know this whole idea of hand coming out leg coming out because it says that the meat in the field is a tra just say the meat that's tra you're not allowed to eat like why What's what's the bas? So he said bas means it's a place that doesn't have makas that once once it goes out of the makita no good. So the is asking what if you have an animal inside the dotted line. In a way those dotted lines are a forum you can't go out of it. So in essence we have two mitz here. We have the makita of the mother and we have the mikdash. So perhaps if the animal stuck its hand out inside the dotted line that that creates a makita for the animal and it doesn't make the the legs. If the animal sticks his hand out of its makita, its mother's mita becomes because it's not it's no good. Over here it's not it's within special walls the of the mdash. What's the going to say? But there's other animals that have a different makita the entire you can take out to the entire. So what are you going to tell me? That if it stuck its hand out in the entire it's okay. Makes no sense. a carbon stuck out hand. Now obviously if you the mother animal with the baby inside the baby's like the mother you put on the you could eat the baby etc. What's the question since those dotted lines are for so it's also for when a baby sticks his hand out. Perhaps it's not a makita for this. I heard a story. Why? Because there's only one for a fetus. It's it mother. We don't it doesn't care about the md for for the for the baby. It has the of its mother. It's not it's not the of the is not important to him. I don't understand. You're telling me the walls for for for carbon there's other carbonas many carbonas on the column side you have the all these things that your is the if you bring it into your okay outside you bring it to it's not not good and over there you should ask the same question what if the animal stuck its hand out in how come you never ask that question because when we look at the fetus. It's the mother who creates not. If you think about it for a second, the the Uber, the fetus has from its mother. It is well protected. It has the food that it needs. It has air conditioning, [snorts] heating. If the mother gets hurt, it's protected from all sides. It has everything. Ah, it's getting better. Here we go. There's two pipes. This is the trachea, the breathing pipe. Looks literally like this. And then you have the esophagus. This is what he the animal eats. It's much it is um more elasticky. It's more muscular. It doesn't have the the bony structure that this has. Now, when you do, you have to cut the majority of both of these. At least 51% of this and 51% of this. So now, oh, I've been waiting a long time to use this. He he shifted one sim and then all of a sudden the hand of the animal came out right over here. And then >> in between the sim and then he chefed. Oh, this is bad. >> Then he shifted the second one. See here the Shiloh. Here's the Shiloh. Let me explain. When when you sh an animal, you accomplish two things. First of all, you're allowed to eat it after you do. Second of all, a big that we learned throughout was a big for everybody that it removes the tum. If the animal dropped dead without then give off tum if you no tuma. Now you started off great. Everything is going well. You cut one. You accomplished two things. You're in the middle of accomplishing two things. You're about to be able to eat it and you're about to get rid of the tuma. Then all of a sudden this fetus guy decides he sticks out his feet. Oh, I just realized fetus and feet. He st he stuck out his hand. Yeah, he stuck out his hand in middle. So now you can't eat that hand. You can't eat it. So now the second sim accomplishes something different than the first sim. The second simmon allows you only to eat the the the mother the the baby but not not that leg. The question is can the second simmon accomplish at least that that leg that comes out will not give over tum. And the answer is says yes because the [clears throat] second the second simmon accomplishes tremendous. It accomplishes you're allowed to eat the entire animal. You're allowed to eat the entire fetus. There's not there's no stop, no break in the you continue going on. There's a beautiful that you're able to eat the fetus. So at least it'll remove the says does when you continue number two usually the brown pipe the sophagus is number two. Does it remove the tuma of the leg? Because the leg never was the leg was nevered. And when you have a uned leg, you have a uned animal, it gives off tum. So this leg gives tuma. We actually had it the top words in the bay that the leg is so that it gives tuma to the rest of the animal. But he gave a he did a here. So maybe he removes the tuma. No, it removes the why the second sim is good. It's a good and allows you to eat even the fetus, the mother for sure. Even the fetus certainly should have enough power to to to get rid of the noa. Something to think about. Okay, this is fascinating. This question right over here here. Oh, what happened? You have a fetus. You have a b a unborn animal that stuck its hand out. We saying according to Rav, well, even according to everybody, if it didn't bring the the hand back in that leg that it stuck out, you're never allowed to eat. So, you have a walking animal, that was the question I asked in the beginning of yesterday. You have a walking animal, it's running around the barn, you're allowed to eat the entire thing minus its front leg. Why? Because that front leg never it stuck it out before the of its mother. There's nothing you can do about it. You can't check the the fetus. It's uncheckable. It was already checked. It's walking around. You can't check it. And it never got a head for its front leg. Listen to this. This guy, he grows up and he gets married and they have a baby. What about the front leg of the baby? >> Wow. Is route. Does the front leg of the baby have the same like its father? So, we have to understand who do you get married to? Do you get married to like the cacao or another weird weirdo like him? Another bas that's the sha in three words have to be concerned that the the the the offspring of this father who has a bad leg a bummed leg that you can't eat what about his offspring perhaps the entire offspring is also also that's that's part of the shilah not just this leg maybe part of the sh is the entire thing why because the father has one 10% of him that you can't meat. Now, when he has offspring, that 10% spreads to his entire body of the baby. The entire 100% is is infected with this non-g good leg that he has. If he got married to a regular female cow, nothing to do with a bas. So, why are you telling me that he has a bad leg? His whole body is bad. He he his offspring when he gets married he he his children are goners the opposite of the guy from Australia. We had the guy from Australia yesterday. In Australia they want to take this benqua make a with a baspa and then they have offspring bene and you never need to do but if one of them is a bakua and the other one is a regular animal that messes everything up. Why? Because the father is not shakable. You can't check the father. Why can't you sh the father? Cuz he's a bimpa. There's nothing to she. You can just eat him. Start eating right now. Wait until he drops dead. Start eating. The mother needs to be. So what do you do with the offspring? They're you can't sh them and you you could you have to sh them. You can't them. So says according to him he says there is nothing you can do about it. Why? So explains rashi because it's as if you didn't. Why? Because one of the sim every sim you take a look at every sim this here's a sim and this is a sim this simmon 50% is already shed >> from the father so now you have to shaft another 50% maybe 50% of the father you don't know what you it's already you nevering you could sh but you're not shing you have to it's as if half of his esophagus and half of his tra are missing you're the gun. That's what he holds. Listen to this. So the question is do we say that the father the father's leg goes into the baby's leg and that leg is also so what do you do? So just cut ignore that front hand, cut it off and eat the rest of the animal. No, there's 10% of the father that you can't eat. It's not edible. So when he has offspring, that 10% runs through the entire body. There's a little bit of it everywhere. And then he then he then he answered the question himself. Of course, the father zer goes everywhere to all legs, to all stakes, everywhere. There's everywhere. And I'll prove it to you. Does it make sense that that animal that's blind, it's going to have a offspring that's blind? In other words, it's its deficiency is going to go exactly to the to the baby. No. And a and a one that has chopped off legs, it's going to give birth a chopped off leg. Does it make sense that just because the father doesn't have legs, the the son is going to be born without legs? Certainly his deficiency spreads to the whole body. So this is the question. Every time you have offspring, a cow has offspring in in creating the the baby, there's a little bit of and a little bit of dam is how do you every animal has and dam in it. So it's giving over to create the baby the offspring. But you allow to eat it. So over here, yes, there's a little bit of a leg that's to eat and that he's creating the offspring with a bad leg, but it doesn't matter. You eat it. Maybe we ignore two. This is This is M is super interest to me. Two, we could ignore. But once you add a third one to the mix, because now we have also involved that you don't do maybe, maybe you can say such a thing. Says, "Wait a minute. There's no such thing a three because regardless how you go, you're never going to get the three either. Mayor, we're going to see later on. Yeah, I agree that every animal when they're created, they're created with a little bit of isra fat and a little bit of blood. Fine. Because according to once a animal is viable in the ninth month, let's say it goes through a full pregnancy, there's no there's no bakua. You're not allowed to eat it without. So there's no this whole hand out hand in is not important. Why? Because even if it sticks a hand out, it doesn't become because anyway you have to sh the entire animal. It's not accord anyway is awesome. There's no problem of you don't have three and according to everybody you don't have three. So that that that idea that you want to say that the difference between two is three doesn't exist. We don't care about the the the the what the father the father had but in the question is a little different. Can you drink from the milk of a basa? You have a basa and she has milk. We never look at milk as although it's slightly it's crazy. So saying look this is also you're going to you're going to scratch your head here. The reason why perhaps you're allowed to drink milk even though it's because eventually you could sh this animal it will be you could shed. So it kind of lightens the the is of the of the milk and that's why you let it drink it. But this animal who's bas you can never do to it. There's no way out of it. Bubar if he took a piece of the fetus and lift it inside the fetus. He took a knife cut its leg off while it's in Europe. Today we know how to do it. There's surgeries like that etc. How do you know that it's awesome? Listen to this. How do you know the the whole idea of of um of a that you eat that you eat the leg that's inside? It says of look at this beautiful chart. Kobe Kobe did this. He took this chart and he did this. You read it like this. Every animal that's in animals within animals. Oh, if you tell me that every animal that's inside another animal, you're allowed to you're allowed to eat. So, we have something called tumor. Tamura is the is if you have a little carbon and you want to trade it up to a bigger carbon and you say this should be instead of this is 100% awesome. >> And the second one becomes exactly like the first one. It works but what you did is also now the question is it says that you cannot do this this idea doesn't work on a on a fetus on a baby inside a stomach >> but why it's a it's considered a bea but it says behema and it's a so we're just going to say a bunch of words here don't get confused the point is the only way to do tumor is on a whole animal one whole animal like in this picture one whole animal to another animal But parts of an animal, the fetus of an animal on both directions, whether you're using you're using the the the kadesh yet. You're saying that that uh its fetus or its leg that doesn't work or the the one on the left, the one on the right, both that's all the is saying now. So the first one is always the part the one on the right the the the animals legs in the of and not that's a fetus to the limbs of kachum. It has to be full animals. You can't you can't exchange limbs for limbs or limbs for a fetus. Why? Because it's a uber. It's not a full animal. take the the the the limbs and the in a whole animal of the bottom line is it doesn't work. This thing doesn't work to a fetus. Why not? It's a Oh, you're right. So, let's do something else. It says in the so it's extra. It comes to include even the fetus you allow to eat. How come the own mother animal when you cut part of her kidney, you cut the the spleen, you're not allowed to eat it after the is considered why if you do it to the fetus, it's okay. If you do its own the mother's kidney, you cut it inside her batting and leave it in there. The of the mother doesn't help to her her own kidney that when she is whole then you're allowed to eat everything everything inside of her but once it's missing then not a cow and all of a sudden it comes out that we had also we'll have it soon a woman gives birth to funny shaped things like a shoe one of them is a bird the cow gave birth to something that looks like a pigeon I If you find some sort of bird looking type of thing, eat it. The bird doesn't have split hooves and you need split hooves. The the the camel the famous camel guy. >> Yeah, I just did. I just did. I said the video is sponsored by uh how come the camel that has these split hooves is mut. You said if it's in the mother's stomach, you allow to eat it. According to you, it has to have processes. It has it has to have split hooves. This the second word on the it has to have a paras. And this this pigeon doesn't have a paras. It has the pigeon feet. No, let's go back to Kobe's how Kobe did the over there. My friends of you allowed to eat an animal that's inside animal. He had a question. If so, how come you can't do with a fetus with a baby in the stomach? What's I know we don't have time. We got to see this though for the new people. Bunch of new people that didn't see this. Mice is when you have a bunch of animals, you put them a bunch of new babies. Easy to put them. You let them go out of the pen and you count 10. The 10th one you give it a red dot. That 10th one, every 10 bring to your line. I didn't speed it up. Yeah. Wow. It is late. And then when he gets all the way to number 10, what does he do? Remember dot and that becomes my Yeah. Yeah. Oh, this part. Okay. So, there's a connection between what's the connection, everybody? I'm going to show you something you might not have noticed when you're learning this because the says and then it says talking about so are connected. If you look at the purple in the B, it says anyone that walks through that gate over there gets the thing. But you have to walk. It can't be a limb. It can't be a fetus. Okay. So, I'm learning from to that's why nothing to do with that. You're right. Our tells us anything inside animal you're allowed to eat. It's considered an animal. But there's a special positive that we learned from from Meister that you can't for for tomorrow you can't use something that that that's a or a fetus. And how do you know that this goes according to that what that you can't you can't do with with that goes according to this beautiful check this out. Either we go like on the left or like on the right. A guy says this leg of this animal >> just a leg the entire thing becomes >> and then you say according to only the foot becomes now take that idea and use it over here also it's not so when you say a little part of it becomes the leg then the whole thing becomes says who is he talking about two if he's talking to they don't even hold it that they don't hold that if you say one foot it spreads to the whole to the whole animal I would think that you you make one part of the animal the the foot you make it the whole animal become Not the whole thing becomes you say oh so it's not it's only the leg so so just let it go loose it should be regular no remains so what do you do when you have the 90% is not just it front leg is what do you do with it okay so what do you do sell it to somebody else that needs he'll pay for it and now the entire thing becomes an minus its front leg that was already an which the discusses somewhere else. So then he didn't bring a whole he brought a 95%. The other leg is somebody else's. Okay. And the money that you pay for it goes out. But besides the the 10% of the front leg so they don't hold then if a person does one leg the whole spreads to the rest of the animal. The the leg remains but not the rest. there and this is you ask me how do I know here it is how do you know that no it spreads to the entire thing so we want to say it spread to the entire animal says we just said that if it goes to one foot it doesn't it doesn't uh spread to the rest of the animal here here's here's the the source of himself. He wasn't talking about he was saying I myself hold like this. Have a wonderful day. [music] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com [music] or sponsor atmop.com.