CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 49 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning Arab boys. I Do the schmaltz and also with the small guy. My boys, here we go. I hear my all these stuck up this and pull out rabble the rail. We're continuing with the lungs. I figured Here's a lung. Some point of rabble is when the trachea enters the lung and it branches off. You see the blue? That branching off, the blue is some finer rabble. The gray that's the main main part of the bronchi if you want if you if you will. Here, we got to do this real quickly. All right, here we go. This is real. This is very very real. This is called a lung. This is a Uh fine. This is a una right over here. Another una. This is the emo, but you know what I'm going to do? It's gross. Yeah, yeah. Okay. There's an interesting thing here. You see this little blister thing, but that's nothing. That's just from nothing. This right over here is the large emo uma I mean. Uma which is a mother and these right over here are the unas. Now this pipe the cona goes into the lung and it splits off and that's what we're talking about here. The circus you don't see because the circus is it's a piece of something that's stuck to the to the to the body of the animal. Once you take the lung out it pops. It rips off. You're not going to see it here. But this is this is a not bad lung. It's not it's not deflating. Okay. So what happened was we found a needle. Now we understand the whole Sugya once he saw that. There's a needle inside the pipe. The main the main pipe going into the lung. As you look at the abundant I love this name. The the treif bottom meaning the who said treif before. Yesterday we learned if they find if you find a needle in the lung here this case right over here. This is the treif of this case when there's a there's a there's a needle in the lung. How did it get there? So they say it got there because it probably went through the the veshet. Treif. How how in the world does it get into our lung? It probably went through the it ate it. It went through the whole system and it pops out at the end by the by one of the parts of the intestines and goes it's a needle. And if it goes into the lung where did it go in the lung? Look, it's all the way in the bottom of the lung over there. So so they brought it to but now you you see a needle in the main pipe of the lung. So now it makes more sense that it came through the trachea not through the esophagus. Came through the breathing tube and not the eating tube. They didn't say anything. We don't know. They're not going to say it's to eat this animal cuz they're the ones that say it's also to eat an animal that needle is found in its lung. And over here it's found in its lung. And so normally but they couldn't say that it's also given that it makes a lot of sense now that it came through the breathing pipe. Why? Because it was found in a main thoroughfare of air called bronchi the main you know the main pipe over there. So maybe came through the trachea the corner and not the veshet. Okay, and then that so they didn't say anything. There There a I think I can get rid of this now. There was a a needle that was found in a piece of liver. Now, there's two things. It could have came through the the arteries, you know, the different What is it called over there? The vena cava. There's different ways that it could wiggle its way into the liver, but it's also possible that it came through the digestive system, which would mean The digestive system doesn't go directly into the liver like that. It would mean that the needle popped out somewhere, created a hole in the myaim, and then came out into the liver, and that's a problem. That would make the animal treif. How did it get there? We have to know how the needle got into the liver. Some of my You want to say that it came through the esophagus, and therefore it made a hole and it's treif. All right, how about if you just found a needle in a steak? Would the animal be treif? No. How did it get there? I don't know. It came through the the side of the body, went into the steak. So, why is a steak different than a liver? You know what? Let's Let's use some Let's be detectives over here. Let's figure it out. If the head, you know, the eye of the needle. Here, so you have over here two pictures. Over here, the eye of the needle is outside. So, the Gemara understands that the eye of the needle, which is wider than the point of the needle, doesn't have enough strength to puncture through organs. So, when you see the needle on the left, it's not that it came out from the outside of the It didn't come from the intestines. It came from within the liver. Because it wouldn't be able to puncture from outside into the liver with the wide head. The guys are going to discuss in a minute something wide like uh a date, the the the pit of a date. It doesn't have it's not normal for something like that which is rounder and and and larger to puncture through a through an organ. We I don't know how big this needle is. You know, this is a larger needle in those days. The guy discusses a small needle which wouldn't have that alacha. So, if you see the the point of the needle going into the into the liver, so where did it come from? It came from the intestines and it made a poke first it had to poke its way out of the intestines. And then it went and made its way into the liver. That's why the kupa, the eye of the needle, the bar is outside, it is straight. But if the eye of the needle is inside the liver facing the opposite direction so it's impossible that the eye of the needle poked its way into the liver. It It happened to be in the liver through the different vessels like you know, whatever the the blood some vein giant vena cava or whatever you want to call it over there. It went through there. Through the lung it could transfer over from the symphysis let's say from one of the um you know, the trachea could in the lung it can meet a a giant uh blood organ go in there and then make its way into the liver and make its way out. Now it's coming out of the liver. There's no There's no way out over here in this case it didn't make a hole in the intestines and therefore it would be kosher. Kazeina kupa d'bar, if the head of the needle is on the outside of the liver nakubi nakiva see then it came through the esophagus the veshet and the mayim and made a hole and therefore it's straight. It could be like that. But if the the other needle is inside, some finer vessel, it came through the trachea. That immediately that's because it's very large and wide and we don't assume that it punctured through an organ. I will cut into but we're talking about needles of our day. Right over here I have a needle. I'm not in the mood of taking it out. Okay, fine. I'll take it out. So this is a typical needle. >> [clears throat] >> People like myself who try to sew and you try to push this end, you know, this will end up in your finger cuz it's pretty sharp as well. Today's in There's no difference almost between the sharpness. There is a little bit of difference between this and then this. This could easily puncture through an organ and go into a liver. Yeah, let's do it right now. No, but then then I'm not going to have a lung anymore. Oh, you know what? I'll puncture the here, the trachea. That didn't work so well. Okay. That immediately that was a needle. Loosened up but if it's small, loosened up a couple of hours loosened up a couple of hours and a couple of hours. It's a small needle. It's It's sharp on both ends. So that doesn't matter. You can't be a detective and say, "Oh, I see the eye of the needle this way or that way." It makes sense. No, there's no there's no difference. Wow, we're holding on the daf where we have to hold but the problem is it's 26 minutes into the shear. So base of cases Remember that uh there's four parts of the stomach. Just to go over real quickly. The food comes in, it goes into something called the caris. Big giant that we'll see it all today in a video. And then from there it goes to the base of cases. And it's in the part of the digestive system. You can see the food. You guys pointed out. I remember who it was pointed out right over here. This food in the bottom. That's the inside of the base of cases. It's actually round. This almost looks like the outside but we're looking into it. This has two layers, like most organs in the body we see that have like two layers. There's a outer layer, inner layer. Thin, thick. Like a double protection. You find the uh needle but maybe base of cases. It didn't puncture through and through. It only punctured one and we're talking about from the inside. Here, perfect. I have two two uh plastic cups here. The needle was found inside the base of There's a case. Beautiful. Base of cases. The inside of the base of cases the needle is here, but it didn't come through. It's not out. It didn't come outside. It's stuck over here. Now, it could it could be that the animal ate a bunch of food and the the needle went into the base of cases and then try to make its way out. It could also be that it punctured this way. Punctured Now, if it punctured this way and now you find it inside the base of cases, that's treif. Why is it treif? Cuz there's a hole through and through. What if the hole is only halfway through from the inside towards the out, but it didn't go completely through? It could also be that it came from the outside and it healed, but it's not likely. So, why don't we do some detective work and see which which direction is the needle facing. If the if the eye of the needle is facing outside, it's impossible for the eye of the needle to puncture its way into the base of cases. So, it obviously came in through the sharp part into the base of cases once upon a time and it made a hole in the base of cases 6 months ago. And what you're finding here is the eye of the needle stuck in wall number two, but it actually came in from before and healed. That's why you you you don't see a hole through and through. Let's Let's Let's use the same logic that we used on a on a on a kidney. We're laying wreath on. So, let's just read the words I don't skip anything. By base of cases if you find it only through one wall, it's kosher. I mean let's look where the eye of the needle is. And and say this logic that a eye of the needle cannot puncture through and through the base of cases. So if you see it in the base of cases facing a certain way, you know that it came from the outside and straight. No. The eye of the needle was inside the base of cases and what forced it out, even though it's wide and it usually doesn't puncture organs, is all the food that's that's in the machine. It's grinding it down. It's going like this. So the machine pushed out the needle even though it's thick and wide. Next so good. We're going like shorter so good. It's just different body parts, different things. Doctor. You found it in the in the in a big vessel in the in the liver. Perhaps the vena cava. He said this must have came from the esophagus from a eating tube and the only way it got into my into the liver is puncturing a hole in the intestines and that makes it treif. No, this perhaps came through the esophagus or the trachea, the breathing tube. Exactly how there's a whole deal on how and where the where how how does a breathing tube get into a liver? Okay, we have to understand. He said the person who said that this is treif you got to take his his clothing from him. You got to he has to pay for this. Any rabbi that said that this is treif when it's actually kosher. And Rashi sticks it like he said the other day that the the rough fed it with his own hand. So, it's not a gram anymore. He took it and he says, "Dog, take this." You have to give him You have to give you clothing. They found a a a pit of a date in the gallbladder. Now, a pit, where did it come from? This had to come from the through the liver. And it came through the the trachea. But if you flip the animal upside down, it'll never go back. It'll never You can never get this to to reverse the track and come out through the esophagus. But perhaps mirabile dictu the rabbit. An animal runs around, jumps around. So, all this vibration or whatever causes it to to go downwards. It will never be able to come upwards. This is because it's a pit of a date. But a smaller pit that has sharper edges, Mivza b'Ovel this uh Yoshi worked on this a very long time. He told me he had a lot of trouble getting it to work. But here it is. You have the the two types of pits, the that of a tamar and that of a zayis. And you have to put one of the tamars to the side. I forgot to bring it, of course. Um so, this is a tamar and how this is how it would work. Go in through the trachea into the liver to the gallbladder. Okay, somehow, whatever. And then you have this one. This This can This could cause damage. This could make make treif because it punctures the esophagus. If it comes through the kind of like the the tamar here, that's common. The the the trachea is not a problem. The problem is when it punctures the esophagus, the the Mayan, that's where it becomes a problem and a olive could do that. Why is this Let me get my gloves. Why is this called a raya? What's raya? Raya is a lotion of seeing. I saw a name because it lights up the eyes. She may arise I saw a name. Does it mean to eat it like in its state? Well, you obviously going to cook it, but as is or it's the the spices that you add to it and everything. You could purchase an entire duck for one zuzz. The raya did by yet if you purchase just the lung of the duck, it cost four. How's that possible? If you're telling me you just eat it as is, he should buy an entire duck and just eat the the lung for for one zuzz. Why Why is he spending four zuzz on on a lung? Hello my hello the reason why he's spending so much is cuz it's a it's a delicacy dish. It's a whole the the chefs involved and they know what to put in. That's why you're paying four times the amount. Enough for raya. So, enough for raya. But what I say if if if a shoykha takes a knife and he's [snorts] It happens today. He takes a knife and he's pulling the the He's trying to get the lung out so he could do whatever he needs to do. And as he's pulling the knife out, he said with the knife that's holish, which means very sharp, he pokes the lung. Makes a hole in the lung. Trayf or kosher? Maybe he poked a hole where the there's a hole already. It's 100% kosher. It's obvious that his knife created a hole. So now we have another situation. You have a hole. But we know that the the the the shochet, the butcher, the the bodek, whatever you want to call him, he sticks his hands into the animal's cavity, pulls the lung out, and exactly where his fingers go, that's exactly where the hole is. It's like a knife. He says, "Talina lo talina. I want to know could we could we say you know most likely logic tells me that it's his finger that poked the hole in it. If it has a hole, it's treif. If his finger poked the hole, it's kosher. So we have a machlokes here of Adam and Talina and Mar Zutra and Mari and Mari and Talina. They know why should I why should I why should I assume that it was his finger? The hilchos Talina. I'm pointing this out over here because I want to show you a Rashi soon that talks about this hilchos. Who who paskens this? Who? The Rambam? What's the hilchos? Who? Rabbah. Who says? So Rashi is going to tell us who this hilchos is. It's the in the Chasam Sofer Shas when they closed off the Shas, Ravina and Rav Ashi's children, they put in there they they wrote this is the halacha. We're paskening. They did the Shulchan Aruch of the time. Omar Rav Ashi Rav Avahu Abba Mari Kahana de Rav Nachman Abba. My He says, "My father uh Omar Rav Ashi Rav Avahu. Abba, my father Rav Avahu Mari Kahana de Rav Nachman Abba. Rav Nachman was considered the last last Amora. My dad was the head of the speakers that sat over what Rav Nachman said. He had a a weak voice. He had to speak to the whole Yarchi Kallah, thousands of people. He needed a guy with a gezuta voice, a chazzan's voice, scream it out. V'amar and he says I He was there. He he sat over from the from Rav Nachman. Talina. If there's a hole exactly where the shochet touches, let's let's assume it came from his finger. I mean we can make the hole the hole the they said it over to to Maran who said a second ago that we we don't say it's from the finger. He says, "I don't accept this. I'm not I'm not sure if I can say that I'm going to say that I'm going This goes like the the whole we have the story. Should we show the whole video again? You have a a wolf that stole that took some intestines and we got it back from him. And we know that a wolf pokes holes in it with his with his with his canines or whatever with his claws. So we're going to assume that every hole that we found is a hole that the the the wolf made and not all an existing hole before. Okay. So may we're also going to be tied over here. New Sugya Morna. What about a a worm? You see a worm making its way right out of this lung. You see it over there the worm comes right out. Now you have to explain that worms when the animal's alive they don't make holes in the animal. They live in they have it it's just fine. They have exactly what they need. They have all the the the resources. Everything's great. It's nice and dark in there. They get their food. They get whatever it is. But the moment the animal dies it needs to find a new a new host. So then it starts digging its way out. So most likely it made the hole after it died. But I'm not sure. I see a nice hole here and I see a worm. So maybe it happened before after we have to another one says no it happened afterwards and again we have a law that it happened after Here's another a lot of here the The are and have most likely have an afterwards we can be selling for that. We saw in the mission scary when he gets up that's scary cuz we're not I'm going to love it and it's getting up already. It says in the mission that if there's a a neck of there's a hole in the in the lung it's straight. Says Rib Shimon Rib Shimon says no no no it has to be all the way down like this knife all the way down to the finest. To the to the bronchi. And me means the larger bronchi the nice size one the main one. So Malach says the law has to be a puncture all the way to the simple way. I'm going to lay Malach [clears throat] you talking about the Malach Malach who came from Arabia. I know he said you the listener. I know you are Shimon. Fine. Later on he found Rebbe who said I would have Malach and Levy I know Shimon. I know you are Shimon not I know I swear on his life that I know you clean the master I'm telling you I can be sure. We went there we went all the way to where he lives. I mean and we said to Malach I know did you really say that I know Shimon that one has to the knife has to go the puncture has to go all the way to the simple way. I know I know he told us I know Shimon I mean what I said is that it's not I know Shimon. That's my video though. And you observe what's your uh Messiah. I know I know Shimon. I got it I know Shimon okay I know I know I know I know Shimon I know Shimon and at the the and over here I want to show you Rashi that a lot of knowledge of this is Rashi. This is this is the garage all shots. The moral capacity. The moral makes a not a not a number will be Shiva this is at the casino all the way to the end when they all sit together and they went over it. Stand by the morals. He says in all the morals stand when there's a lot like so and so. That's by the casino all shots. Make my camera voice like make my camera. The what's the camera? So let's just see this video real quickly because it's important. >> [snorts] >> There's four stomachs, right? That's I love how he doesn't use gloves. Touch the That's the blanket. Camera on the carrots, remember. That's the carrots. That's camera on the carrots. We're going to be discussing the last stomach that goes from the carrots to the base of to the hemses to the camera. What is the camera? Is the fat on the camera camera that you're allowed to eat or not? The the this fat that's on the camera camera mate. Why? That it's motor. But see my nakh, and how do I remember something like that? Yishmael and say God. Yishmael himself, is a cohen. He helps out his brothers. Stick a bias. He helps out other cohanim. My what do we see this design? Coyce of all who is bene Israel. The cohanim have a mitzvah here, Danny. They have a mitzvah to to to to to do birkas cohanim to get to bench klal Israel. Yishmael I may remember brocha Israel may be a cohen. We see that the cohanim give a brocha to the Israel. Look at the cohanim but how do the cohanim themselves get a brocha? Kish we have any of all of them. So check this out. This is very very interesting. If you were to read this pasuk right now, just regular without knowing what anything. You didn't read anything. The some of which may have been Israel. Who? The cohanim are going to give a brocha to bene Israel. The any of all of them and I have a good brocha. I'm going to bench you. Who? Israel or the cohanim? No. The some of which may have been Israel. You bench the Israel and I have all of them and I'm going to I'm going to continue your brocha on the Israel. That's I would think simple shot. But he's saying no. The some of which may have been Israel. You take care of Israel and I have all of them and I have a good brocha. I'm going to give you cohanim a brocha. That's not so that's not the pasuk shot I don't think. The cases no. That's not the simple shot. Big word of all of them. I don't see anywhere that I have a good brocha. Give a brocha to the cohanim. >> [snorts] >> Kish we have all of them and I have a good brocha. I have all of them and I have a good brocha on the Israel. No. The shot is it's continuation. I have all of them and I have a good brocha. That the the brocha that the cohanim give to Israel. I am I have a good brocha. I'm asking all of them. I'm I have all of them and I have a good brocha. I I agree to the brocha. Hello. I have a good brocha. Give a brocha to the cohanim and all of them. Where did he get the brocha? I'm not going to listen to my mom. My >> Rebbe Akiva Braha told Abraham Avinu, whoever blesses you will be blessed. This is for this is for Yidden, this is for Yisrael, and then we have Kohanim. We might as well say Kohanim. Well, how where is Rebbe Shmuel so special? If Kohanim get a braha, they get a braha. The migo of the week is Kohanim making brahos to Yisrael. So, where is holding that the the special what he helped out the Kohanim is that it's more of a first in the psukim of because Kohanim that a kohen gets a braha, not the the general braha that if you bench a Jew, you get a braha. Rebbe Shmuel Shmuel Shmuel voice of my Where did Rebbe Shmuel get this idea that you're not to eat the chelev, the fat that's on the keiva? The sign you always call a chelev sh'al karev. So, this is a possuk and by the way, before you turn the page, you have to put a vav in there. It's very important cuz the possuk does have a vav. This possuk tells you what's assur to eat and what's mutar. The chelev that you put on the mizbeach is not something you can eat. All these are chelev that you put on the mizbeach. Ve'eizeh kol a chelev de'vav. What is the vav? It's kol a chelev sh'al karev. Lo havi chelev sh'al gabei adakin. It's coming to say that the fat that's on the small intestine, that goes on the mizbeach. Memelo what? That's assur. And memelo what? The keiva is mutar. Rebbe Rebbe Shmuel, and with that he was great to the Kohanim cuz he said all the fat that's on the keiva goes to the kohen. But Rebbe Akiva on the other hand, he havi chelev sh'al gabei keiva. No, the chelev that's on the keiva goes on the mizbeach and therefore what? It is assur. So, he didn't do a favor to them. Yeah, but that's a shvacha chelev, small small piece. Rebbe Meini asked the Gemara, but it's the exact opposite. Ve'eizeh a chelev sh'al a karev sh'ememalo machlin sh'al karev krum veniklaf. This it has two attributes. It's it's a thin membrane and you could peel it off easy. I've called off my mailer. The cave The cave has these attributes. It's thin and it peels off. That's what the Torah is talking about. That goes on the mizbeach. What it is also and you told me it is motor. Here we're going to have to pull out our chart. It comes out. We shall say the cave of the cave is motor. That's why he's great for the cave. He gives all the cave of the cave of the we just said that holds it's also because it has these attributes. It has It has three attributes. Twice of It's like a It's like a once long blanket like we saw in the video. It's also thin and also peels. I've got Now the problem is cave is not twice of It's not one piece. It falls apart the cave. The carrots is what we saw as one piece not the cave. We may according to the cave of the The cave is also. So shall I So what we have to do A paper come out so here take a look at this chart. We have to do one of these. We shall say the cave is also and we say the cave is motor. The problem is wasn't wasn't good with the cave He was great with the cave. He gave them the cave. And now you're telling me the cave is the one that says motor. Green. Green is good. Red is bad. The The first thing is we have to explain my Who told you it's this way? Maybe it's this way. Make a day sir. The answer is very simple because we just gave a deep explanation. That it has three attributes and this only has two attributes. Oh, you go and you're explaining the person that has to be the real one. The first price only said a sheet. We shall say it's motor and then we say it's also. But this It didn't There's no explanation. Over here we're explaining why it has twice of cruel necklace. That makes more sense that it's real. The other one is not as real. Uh shiny hoho give me the tony ma dafka. So we're explaining so that's more more real. E okay. Kira be small Kira be kitty. Kira be kitty is the one that says now take a look. Kira be kitty is the green. Kira be kitty is the one that says the the hail of the cave is motor and that's good for Kira be narrow small. Omar you talk show Omar show my voice of you notice he didn't say it himself. He said it in the name of his father. He said in the name of his father's motor. Actually Kira be kitty says it's also motor. Omar says it's motor. But Omar himself will let us feel like as you see in this slide Omar says the hail of the cave is also. Who says it's motor? His father says it's motor. Omar so that's where Omar said it's motor. My father said it's motor but I don't hold like that. Omar off. Very very simple so you get so let's try to do it quickly. Hail of tar so I say some I'm telling you an attribute of hail of that's tar. Where do we have hail of that's tar? We spoke about it let's say yesterday. bunch of places but here the that during the canto if you look between the intestines this fat is that if you just had a look at this could that fat fall off and move somewhere? No. That's that's that's right there. It's not going anywhere. >> [clears throat and snorts] >> That kind of fat could could close up a hole because it's not going anywhere. The fat that vice verse went like this and became a blanket could that fall off? Yes. That's racist. That's hail of shallow carrots. That's treif to be treif because you can't rely on it to plug a hole when tomorrow it's going to go like that. It's going to slide right off. Hail of tar so I say some it has attributes that it's able to plug a hole. Tommy and I say some but the the the Tommy hail of cannot do it. Brothers and sisters all you matter so I say some they both have the same attributes. Boy I say so remember if she says no they both they both plug. Brothers and sisters hail of kind of might. Interesting question. Are you tell me time of the crow or you tell me a fact that every hill of that star is is good so I said or no it doesn't if it doesn't stay in its place then it doesn't it can't do it. Now hill of higher doesn't stay in its place but it's star. We know all hill of of a higher there's no such thing as hill of of a higher that's also deep. It's all so on the one hand it's star memory load it should plug a hole. On the other hand it moves around it wiggles so maybe it doesn't. That why not it says the tomorrow hill of higher my that star so I said that it's star why not me star the fact is the hill of the hill of a deer star I didn't assume the Mahdi that would know you have to understand what's behind the scenes. The point is that it's stuck in one place. The hill of Mahdi but the hill of of a higher moves around and my buyer might be boiler what's the question of law neither sorry about clear you're right it's star it's you're allowed to eat it. I do agree with Mahdi. But it doesn't stay in one place. There was hill of of of a tummy place what's a tummy like a carrots we said right not good hill of. And they brought to the other side look it plugged up a hole so maybe it's kosher let's say there's a hole in the my I mean plugged up the back. I'm a rover the my name is law look I have two things to be mattered here harder the armor of shisha hill of tummy mommy says we said a second ago the shisha says any hill of could plug. What's that let me just see I thought you had some of my nerves is so what's the some of my nerves is so. That you see how he's always careful with with with class of money he tells them if the stress in the house take your killer mouth he cares about their money. Says the tomorrow. Over there rap first rap says it's also you tell me rap says it's also be so the right since this is the right since but I must tell you should we stop over here I guess we stop right over here boys sigh, have a wonderful day. >> [music] [singing] >> Merit the source of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today. Mdy.sponsor.com [music] or [email protected].