CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 41 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning, Rabbi Weissa. You know this month is Rosh Chodesh Mordechai. Zog the heilige Gemara. Not Sima, but Nachman. So, yesterday we're just going to finish off the Sugya. Yesterday we were learning about the riddle, the riddle. How do you get a guy to be Chiyuv three Carbonos Chatos on one Ma'aseh, one action? The answer is, if he does one Shchita and it happens to be Shabbos and he happens to be thinking about Avodah Zarah and it happens to be outside of the Beis Hamikdash. So, he Shochets this Chatos outside of the Beis Hamikdash on Shabbos and Avodah Zarah, so you get three. Rav Huna, this is Rav Huna's Chaf. He says because he holds that a person can make another person's animal Avodah Zarah. Adam Oser Davar She'eino Shel Lo. And that's how it happens. Now we have the other side, the other Shita. Rav Nachman, Rav Amram, Rav Yitzchak, three Amoraim. Amri, they all say Ein Adam Oser Davar She'eino Shel Lo. A person cannot Oser something that's not his. Says the Gemara, Maiseh. HaShochets Chatos BeShabbos BeChutz La'Avodah Zarah Chayav Sheloshah Chatos. We ask a question, how could you say that a person cannot ruin it for somebody else? You can't take somebody else's animal and make it Avodah Zarah. But, how do we do What do we do with the riddle that we had yesterday? If he Shochets a Chatos on Shabbos, outside of the Beis Hamikdash, BeChutz La'Avodah Zarah, for Avodah Zarah, Chayav Sheloshah Chatos. Va'Yik Minan. And we had a stat we we said that the Pshat is BeChados Ha'Oif U'BeChados Konah Pogem. We said it must be only this case where the bird already had a punctured trachea. His trachea was 50% cut. And he went ahead with a knife and did 51%. So, that 51% created three things simultaneously. It created the shchita, it was a nefesh on Shabbos, it was outside of the base hamikdash the shchita, and it was avodah zarah. It wasn't avodah zarah before the shchita and it wasn't shchita before the It all happened simultaneously because of that one small amount. So, the time old chotas ha'of. That's only because you did it this way with the bird. The kulam had the other kashrus, it all happened simultaneously. Avo, zavach lo. But, when it comes to a large animal, there's no way to do it. This trick only happens by a a chotas ha'of, which you only have to cut one siman out of the two to begin with. And I have a way to do 50%, which is nothing. 51% is everything. So, you get that little small amount. That small amount in one chop, boom. But, when it comes to a large animal, not. Why not? Why not, asks the Gemara. V'eino adam meiseh d'varim she'eino shel lo. If you cannot make somebody else's animal avodah zarah, so then by nicking it, that was the little tricky part that we had yesterday. There's a difference between if it's yours, if it's somebody else's. There's a difference between doing a small amount and a full amount. If you don't have the right and the ability to make somebody else's animal avodah zarah, so then by you starting off the shchita, you didn't do anything. You didn't make [clears throat] it avodah zarah. It's not It's not avodah zarah. It's not yours. You can't make it avodah zarah. When did you make it avodah zarah in this case, Reboyim say? Only You didn't You never made it avodah You will never make it avodah zarah. But, when is it avodah zarah? When does it become an avodah zarah where you chayev misah? At the end of the shchita. All the way at the end. You chayev misah. Even if you didn't make it avodah zarah, you chayev misah. You chayev misah for bowing to something. He did a maiseh of avodah zarah. Even if it didn't become you over that with the Azara without creating you didn't make this animal over the Azara. It's not over the Azara. You are an over the Azara Nick and for that you have Misa. But when did that happen? Not when you Nick it with a knife, but when you do the full Shrita. Oh, so at the full Shrita I did everything simultaneously. I was over on Shabbos. I was over on Shrita the course of the over over the Azara all the way at the end. So why you telling me it's only by a bird? According to you I have a way to do all three with an animal. My here had the Azara I have you had the same animal me. Since you are no it doesn't work by a hadas by him. Why? Key even the kind of lay the cup for all could it be they done you. Since you acquired this animal as a hadas so now it becomes yours. It becomes yours so now everything everything that you've done here even in the small amount boom yours is kosher. It's only when it's somebody else's then is the full amount. So it comes out a very interesting thing here. That if you hold that you cannot ask for somebody else's animal so then the hadas is yours. Yesterday we said the opposite the hadas is not yours cuz it's a kapara. Now we have to say the hadas is yours and immediately you you ask for it immediately. And if you hold out the Azara you have to say the hadas is not yours. And that you you ask for it all the way at the end. Says the maracha says So this is a case that we had yesterday. Shni boys in the palace. I know. Shni boys in the sacking. We're showing how they did two people holding on to a knife and shafting. After the show the after the show kosher. So one person has a mind for the mountain. I got to show you this video. Shni boys in the sacking and shafting. You have two people doing the same the same job doing a Shrita with a knife. One of them has covered the five of the Azara one for not. One is thinking about the heart of the voice over kosher and all is thinking regular shita. Shita is possible. So, you see that a person could answer something that's not his. You're telling me these three amaraim say you can't answer something that's not yours. Where do you see the guy holding the knife? This guy, where is he? Right over here. He's doing something he's ruining it, somebody else's animal. So, the amara no, it's not somebody else's animal. How come my skin is the shuta of his part part owner? Tosha ma. Hamitame v'amadamaya v'amaneisach. Three things that you can't really see. You take somebody else's fruit and you make it tamei. You take somebody else's fruit and you put trumah into the fruit. You mix it up with trumah. Now, you have to you have to sell it for something very cheap. The real question is from the third one. V'amaneisach. You take somebody else's wine and you make it yayin nesech. B'shogeg patur, b'meizid chayav. If you do it by mistake, this is a hezek she'eino nikar. It's a hezek that's it's you can't you can't see by looking at the wine. You can't see whether the the the wine is yayin nesech not yayin nesech. But if you do it deliberately, it's a knas. We'll give you a knas even though it's a hezek she'eino nikar. We say you're chayav. Says the amara, how could a guy take wine and make it avodah zarah when it's not his wine? You said that you can't you can't answer something that's not yours according to that man amar. Says the amara hanami deis lei shutafus bigavah. He does have a shutafus. He does have a partnership in it. Hanami deis lei shutafus bigavah says the amara. Oh, nachamu nachamu same teretz. We have a few the amarot today they're repetitive. We're talking about a guy that has a partnership in this wine. Who else's wine is he doing? If he has a partnership, why is he ruining it? Because >> He thinks he got a part. Because he's uh like in the Plishtim. Like Thomas Nufsin Plishtim. Get that out. He says the Gemara In fact, it's a machlokes tonight. Assarai. A that was menasech the wine of a Jew not in front of Avodah Zarah. It's two chiddushim here. It's not in front of Avodah Zarah. Assarai. What do you see? I could ask her something that's not mine, even though Avodah Zarah is not even there. Mipnei shnei dvarim. They have two reasons. The famous Rebbe Yehudah and Rebbe Yehudah ben Baba. Two reasons why it doesn't work. Echad she'eino menasech yayin lifnei Avodah Zarah. First of all, it's not in front of Avodah Zarah. So, what are you doing yayin nesach? They hold like today's wine in our house that there's no Avodah Zarah. The cleaning lady can't be menasech. And second of all, the cleaning lady doesn't have a right to to make somebody else's wine yayin nesach. So, we Here we have the machlokes. Do you have the right to make somebody else's product ossur or not? The three of them that we had in the beginning of the sugiyah Even if you hold you could ruin somebody else's product. That's dafka a ein Yehudi. But a Jew chashash shomei, he thinks he's not Now, we're going back to the stories that we had before. Nothing new. Two people holding onto one knife. One is thinking about Avodah Zarah. One is thinking about a regular shechitah. She doesn't eat psula. What do you see over here? That no no. What are Now, we're trying another angle. Does a Jew do something just to cause somebody pain, or he's being serious about Avodah Zarah? Over here, you see that he's being serious about Avodah Zarah. Another Jew is holding on to the knife and he's making it a bizarre. You don't say he's being he's being real. So you can bring a right from this case when you talking about a guy that went off he's dead of course he's thinking about you're right look in the picture you can even see the guy's mom look he mom doesn't even have a couple on. So this guy he might be Jewish but he's he's for the Zara. So this is the moral. Another right I how could a person make somebody else a nice guy? Also he's just trying to bother him and chap him he's a chap in her. No no no he's not chap in him he's a he's the real deal he's a mom. A mom means he's a Zara. Question history of the people of my if you have a Jew he's about to do with his friend's animal they come and they tell him listen if you do this you going to get me so in order to give a guy me so you have to you have to do a straw in front of two of them you have to warn him. And he says bring it on I don't care I want to do this I want to do the Zara. All my lady snow so so in this case do we say that he's being a chap in her or is he trying to bother somebody he's being real. He says of course he's being real. All my lady he doesn't care a person doesn't care to die. After they warn him you going to die we going to take you to bed and we going to kill you. Not a me so that you shall a real me so good. You don't have you don't have a greater mom than a guy that that's not his life for the Zara and show you cannot do a into the ocean. >> [clears throat] >> Can't do it into the ocean. Cuz it looks like the Zara and a lot of and that into the rivers the way anybody that was there on that day that we did the shita knows that we took the sheep and we shucked it in into a giant vat of some sort of metal thing that they mix concrete. That's what they shucked it. Now you say, "How were they able to do it?" How were they able to do it? >> It's not like the Caleb closet. >> Oh. Cuz they put a bunch of clothes in the bottom. The whole point is you're not allowed to gather the blood in a vessel cuz then you're going to take that blood and bring it to have a desire. But if you put dirt on the bottom or put water on the bottom, it's not a problem. They shucked it in the Caleb and they took the knife and they took the Caleb. I was shucked it in Ugo's and Mayan. You're allowed to shuck it into a pool of water cuz that ruins the blood and it's not a ocean. Ubi Svinna Agabi Caleb. If you're on a cruise ship, we're on the way to MDY see him on a cruise ship and a guy brings out a sheep. He he'll bring the sheep and he says, "Let's go. We got to We got to shuck the sheep." You You have a problem. One [clears throat] way to do it is take the the sheep overboard, shuck it, and the blood goes into the ocean. The problem is you're not allowed to shuck it into the ocean. So what do you do? What? To shuck it in the beautiful cruise ship? The guy The guy The pool of the ship. Exactly. What are you going to do? So here are two ways to see this. It's not bad. Also very interesting. It depends on the day. Yeah, shuck it in Svinna. Here we go. I can tell who did this just by the music in the background. It's Nachman. A guy by the name of Nachman. >> Okay, everyone. >> I think. >> Listen up, Corey. We're now moving on to activity number 148. >> [screaming] >> Oh. So if it goes on the wall of the ship, that's okay. That's okay. >> And now for activity number 156. >> The English here comes from the Spanish here. >> Ooh, a slide? >> Okay, so if you do it off a slide, it's okay. Why? Because it didn't go directly into the water. If it goes directly into the ocean, that's a problem. If you go off the wall of the boat or Ubas Vina Gabi K, what does a Gabi K mean? If you take the I don't want to do this here. Or maybe this one. Oh. I got this is you know how to shecht intractably. But if you turn the clea over and why would he do that? Because this part goes overboard. So he shechts the animal onto the clea and then the the blood runs off into the ocean and that's fine because it go it didn't go directly into the ocean. Now listen to this one. You got to pay attention to this one. Ain shochtin l'guma kol kol ikar. It's a very strong loshon. You're not allowed to shecht into a hole in the ground, into a well, into anything. Kol ikar, no way. No way. Aval but no way, but oiseh guma b'ter peisa b'shish kol adam toid in your house you're allowed to. Except in your house. So it's like don't ever ever ever do it except you could always do it in your house. >> [clears throat] >> You know what I'm going to say? What's going on here? U'v'shuk l'yosef but in a marketplace absolutely not. Sh'loi y'chaka es hatzdoikim sh'chaka es haminim. Y'chaka Rashi says y'chaka in Hebrew in in in in modern day Hebrew y'chaka that means to imitate. Rashi says it's more of a loshon of choik of a rule like don't make it stronger. Don't make the minam strong. Ain shochtin l'toch you're not allowed to shecht into the river, into the ocean. Ma sh'lo l'toch yam d'loi. How come you're not allowed to shecht into your into uh ocean? D'amar d'loi shor d'yam k'shochat because he's saying I'm shechting to the to the the the the malach of the the ocean. L'toch ugash mayim mom listen to this crazy this unbelievable. Into a puddle you should also not be able to why am I book of Shacharit. You you're you're worshipping your own reflection. So what does the Torah say? I'm a rabba bachurim shana. We're talking about >> murky >> muddy muddied water murky water So you can't even see himself in the same You're not allowed to shat the mission says you never allowed to shat into a hole but you're allowed to do it in your house. You start off saying you can never call it and all of a sudden there's a there's a you always have to know my bio ratio of the mission of the shuk. If it's in the marketplace So think about it for a second and I thought about it because I had a similar mice and me and Benny had a mice yesterday. The this got me thinking this shuk what does it mean why is it also because in the marketplace think in the days of the Torah Was there asphalt? No. Was there cement? No. So what's a marketplace? dirt and all all the people's cows chickens this horses everything is all over the place. Then comes a nice rain and becomes muddy and it's just a a disaster. So I don't want it in my backyard. I made a special pit for it. So the Torah but that can't be. Because if you look at the lotion of the mission right two lines later it says I'm only rabba the mission of the shuk is shuk of the shuk of the shuk. The cloud duration ask you know you tell me that we're talking about a marketplace. So then why would it say a minute later and oh by the way in a marketplace don't do it. You already said don't do it in the beginning. I don't know about the mission of the shuk mission of the shuk of the shuk. You shouldn't shat into a pit. But >> [clears throat] >> but I don't know I guess it's the way it's but a person who does want to clean out his his yard wants to make sure it's clean. I don't know who's the mission of the shuk of the shuk. He makes a place away from the pit But I don't know the mission of the shuk here we have a mission of the good description of this. Right over here, this is just for learning purposes. Here's that place on the left hill chef, and I'll go into the pit. But the shukli as again, but in the marketplace you should never do even if you're shucking in on the left and it and it runs into the pit on the right, it's also to do shlikha to mean him. That's already giving strength to the meaning. Thank you very much we learn just like he's on a cruise ship and he doesn't have a place to shuck. He could stick his hand extend his hand above board out of you know overboard and shuck. The dam shays definitely one way to do it is that the blood goes on the walls of the of the ship and that's okay. And you should not shuck into a pit. This is like a lot that if a person wants to keep his yard clean or some of the number of shakers if he makes a place on the left where he shucks and then the blood just runs down flows down into the pit on the right with the dam shays the guma or the shukli as again but even that you're not permitted to do in the marketplace. The shul or the shukli as again people might think that you're doing their choy their rules the mas again so the deekel akra of and if you do so you must check his eekos to see what he is. He might be a dookie. His might be his past might be past dookie. Zok the shoy shoy shoy we have 9 minutes has shoy shoy shoy. But it's all easy here. A person takes a regular chulan animal and he says I'm shucking this in his in his backyard for an oiler. The shays for shloman and even says on the side of the gumar the word shloman instead of shloman. The shays shloman to me. These are all the davis the daram something you could do willingly the gumar is going to talk about has that another The same passover, the same toida for carbon passover in middle, you know, during Hanukkah you shut in your like carbon it's passover. The same toida something good happened to him it looks like you shut in carbon outside of Migdal. But it's not a problem. Everybody knows that you're lying it's impossible. Now we have the same the same cases before but now they're thinking something else. Before they were thinking about the same heart the same heart is now they're thinking about this problem. One is thinking that it's it's a carbon passover. The other one is shutting for regular it's not a good one can ruin it for the other. But there's another category of animals that's not another it is a key of a person did another by mistake as we it doesn't have a choice in the matter. Let's say let's say he stole something he lied he swore falsely whatever the is the same heart for the first born after we give the first born to the choir every 10 years to give to the to bring to your flight the same to more we know what to more is to more is that if he has another animal he says this is instead of that that's also the right so the right so why it's going to see a rush later on. Everybody knows that he's not a heart of you know he's lying he's not shutting outside of the same cloud called over anything that comes voluntarily how if you shut for that thing for that oil off of that the carbon passover it's also the same the same the same way the same and if it's something that doesn't come voluntarily like a heart sauce like a awesome then if you do it for that everybody knows you're lying so it's kosher. I shall go to my law I also totally by neither of the neither of all why would I also be in the category of something that you give voluntarily? What's the awesome tally? Awesome tally is if somebody did not bear If somebody let's say his wife gave him two pieces of fat one is which is this is the right so one is 100% motor two and fat in the same animal what in some parts of motor some parts of awesome And later on he found out that one of them was this is the right so he thought both of them were motor So now he has to bring a awesome tally he has to bring just in case that he ate that bad fat but he doesn't know so that he shouldn't get a meanwhile he brings awesome tally. So could a person bring such awesome tally voluntarily? It happened he ate so now he's have to bring it. It goes according to the law that says you're permitted to bring one of these a person is over there every day he could bring awesome tally every day in fact we learned once that I think it was awesome himself they used to bring every single day. Pays of a need of a need of all the car pays of something that you you just you bring whatever you feel like it's in the clear light there's a you only bring it there for pays off. Cuz you could put it on the side all year long for pays off. The show no other to me mom there's only one animal has no mom our bowel mom and if the animal is a great mom maybe a deer everybody realizes the guy is lying so it's not a problem that people think that it's the shifting out of the base of the meek dash. Even if it's about mom it's a problem in the room sometimes sometimes they put something on top of the mom they cover it. Another words not every time do you know that there's a mom If a person it's okay because everybody knows he's lying or maybe that's because how does everybody know he's lying? Because he's not have a hot sauce or maybe if a person is have a hot sauce and maybe he'll just then people are going to accuse him of shifting a hot sauce what the base of migdash. How does a person know when a person is have a house or not so Rashi says over here something very interesting. The house is not even never been the house of him. >> [clears throat and cough] >> Excuse me. The man the house is serving him a house of so nobody's going to think oh this guy is have a house. Why? Listen I never The whole color is like oh the whole color is like the mission of the Everybody knows if a person is have a house that he came to the house something something he did something to the house. And the house is buying the house for him. So Did I read it right? I don't know what I read here. But anyways the whole color is like oh the whole color is like the mission of the Everybody knows there's a there's a rumor everybody knows he did an avera. If you do an avera everybody knows about it. Why? Because you want to be embarrassed by you and that's part of the kapara. So he says So now all of a sudden you bring your house when you didn't even do an avera people are going to say oh you're lying. So the mara We're going to have this answer three times. He didn't say he just said and seems like an avera didn't say it's not an avera it's a house the same avera. Maybe all for the new people as I'm saying it I'll just keep on going. Lower the value maybe completely. means I'm I'm bringing a carbon instead of another carbon I said it doesn't matter on the side. That's because I don't have another one. If I already designated this this little oil and I found a much larger one. Maybe he's really doing a tamura. It seems like he's a he's bringing a the Dava, not bringing for the one that he has in his house. All right, you're right, he does it does just change lotion a little bit. He did say those words exactly. It says if you bring it as a nether in the Dava, then it's awesome. I assume my exact law always adds one more element. At least one. That's another person who said he's not he's going to grow his hair, he's not going to drink wine, he's not going to be in the time of the maze. So he has to bring oil when he's done. He Everybody knows he's not a Look, his hair he has a beautiful haircut. Maybe he did it in hiding in his house. And really no one knows about it. He just started yesterday. It's only cuz he doesn't have a wife. I mean actually he said the rash is not going to a lot of this, but it's we'll just read it just it's in our camera, so read it. I mean actually he said but if he has a wife always then everybody will say, "Oh, he brought this carbon outside of his house for his wife and it's awesome." It seems like it's a stamina voluntary thing. He didn't say it's for my wife. You're right, he has to say it's for my wife. I mean basically I mean you leave the color have a light if she indeed gave birth. Everybody knows that this woman had a baby. This is a good luck. This is a good luck. I mean actually no sometimes it's a plan. There's a miscarriage and they keep it quiet and for that he's bringing the the carbon. >> Merit is close to spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today. mdy.sponsor.com [music] or sponsoredmdy.com.