CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 39 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. [screaming] So basically we we'll be discussing do you have the power just in your mind do you have the influence over a you're the owner of that animal does your thought have an influence on what the cen in the b mikdash does on what a outside of the b mikdash does so for instance [clears throat] if You bring a carbon to the bdash and you're standing on the side. Do you do you have the power and the influence to influence the and say oh it's not going to be it's going to be it's not going to be going to be you're the owner maybe you have the the right to put a thought into his his and the same thing would apply if a Jew is sheing a non-Jewish animal even today Arabs they'll rely on on a Jewish it's considered for cuz it's so suppose imagine the talks about Arabs actually that they have a not so but back in the day they were so Jews doing thealal process for him he gets paid for it doesal and the the Arab puts of into says this is for for an idol as this Jew is doing this the action the owner could he insert his his in it what do you guys think >> verbally or just in thinking >> so that's that's also part of the discussion >> and uh in fact it's all these things are so says the Mishna soak says that we don't have to be concerned about the owner the guy so therefore is and you the Jew can actually purchase meat from this non-Jew pelar holds that the non-Jew the guy could insert his thought into your Jewish he could insert a into so that day that we did the we saw the diaphragm we saw it's called a skirt steak in English it's a it's a wall that divides the liver so even if the non-Jew owns that very small piece of steak. So even if he owns that little diaphragm, he's a he's a owner, he has a a partnership in this animal, a small partnership, he has the ability to ruin it. Why? Because the the norm of a guy of someone idol worshipper is always in the if you don't understand the right away the is going to give us the details of the in the mikdash we had if you weren't with us I feel bad but if you are the whole talks about the thought process of the cayenne and how he could ruin the kurbanas at the four stages there's four famous stages here I'll just throw it on the screen for the the newbies the forget the bottom ones those are all part of the kabala and during those four processes of and receiving the blood and bringing it to the and then doing the throwing the blood on the which is the most important one throughout that whole process you could think thoughts that destroy the carbon literally that if you eat from the carbon later you get mis it's that bad. So says in the md when when the whole idea of ruining it with your thought applies only the has the right to have a thought not the owner. The owner has no right. So when it comes to let's say outside of the just your regular animal certainly a non should not have superpowers in his mind to change the the designation of this animal and and think oh I'm the owner this animal I'm turning it into into the B mikdash you can't do that if you're the owner and in the bdash that's where the whole thing uh originated ated from the whole idea of pagle of ruining the carbon is in the bdash. You can't do in the B mikdash if you're the owner you can't you don't have any power over the animal. So certainly outside of the doesn't have power to make it into the both what's says that we don't care about the he doesn't insert says he does they both hold but they hold they come out with different opinions that what I heard that as the performing the owner could be if you heard it come out out of his mouth. Okay, but he didn't hear anything. So you can't assume anything. So therefore, he didn't make it up to say that this guy's we don't say that even though you didn't hear it directly from his mouth, but you could assume that that's his his thought and his thought does have effect on this animal. So the third in the is even if you heard the he said you heard from the goy's mouth that it means nothing why this gu is performing and this guy is thinking of a des even when you heard it directly from the Yes, I agree. There's something called that the owner, but that's only that's why I brought this BD here. Not because Yseph is here, my brother Yseph. But because I want I want to is not a word. It's a thing. We're in the B mikdash inside here. You could you could have thoughts to to ruin the carbon. That's only inside the B mikdash. outside of the right over here any other place besides in the entire world it doesn't work why I don't learn outside of the inside I don't learn from a carbon so he holds taco no I do learn any carbon from the carbon any any from the carbon of the b just like in the mikd the owner has an effect on the so that's why if a Jew is shifting an animal and the owner the guy has a thought his thought it's unbelievable his thought transfers into the animal and ruins the animal makes it so he says and he all pretty much like I think that's the standard that even inside of mikdash The bum doesn't have powers over the animal. He can't insert his power into the You're the owner. You're Is you can think whatever you want. You're not going to affect it. So now we're going into called these are the four avoidas, right? every pigle in the world basically is my most part because if you're having a thought during what's your thought that you're going to do somewhere else you're thinking during where are you going to do the z where are you going to eat the animal where are you going to put the the the when are you going to put the animals parts on the mb that's the problem of pigle pigle means I'm thinking to myself anything has to do with eating even the food so to speak so I think to myself I'm going to do tomorrow as I'm doing as I'm doing the one on the right I'm thinking about the one on the left isn't that that's my and that that's what pigle is so what about in do I say as I'm shing the car now if I'm shing a carbon and I think to myself I'm shing this not carbon if I'm shing an animal outside in my garage at home. I'm shing. Is that why is it everybody agrees? There's no question and this animal is also not only that they're here there Lauren. You hear this? this animal. There's something, think about, we learned in that this animal, not only is it and for you to eat, but there's also something super duper with this animal. Think what it is. What could it be? Something really, really bad. Huh? No, >> it's a >> Oh, >> it's a It's not stam. It's everybody in the room becomes Tommy. That's how severe. So if I this animal with a knife and I say this is the whole building goes up in red. It's like it's a but what if I think during this that I'm going to throw the blood could I could I transfer my thought of to the when it comes to outside? Obviously, it works. But that's the question. [clears throat] Here's another trick question. What if I think to myself that I'm going to take the parts of this animal that I'm shifting right now during the and I'm going to put them on on a on my bum in the backyard. Is that a desple? Are you kisa? Yes, 100%. Does it make the animal pos? No. Why not? Because that occurs after the that's already the the putting on in in the B mikdash putting the parts of the animal on is after you're already done done. So I can't ruin the animal after I'm done. >> Let's say you have a piece of meat in your refrigerator ready to eat and then I say, "Oh, this is a desert." It's not going to work. But it doesn't affect the meat. So I'm just putting into this line over here is a problem is very much of a is saying it. But the question is does it have an effect on the animal? But the next line to put the the the fats the parts that go on the for that's already too late. That's already post. So now the question is could I have an effect on when I do my could I think about another says yes it's over here means it's not a problem but you what does mean the animal is you are but you can have a great steak before you die says cuz I could put my thoughts during about in it why why it's not it's why because I'm learning of a desele from the inside says it's not a problem with the meat you are it's not a problem with the meat Why? I cannot go from in my mind. Why? Because I don't learn from info. That's not even a question says because they go according to their own. there's other there's another very very similar somewhere else and the Gar says that this is over is similar to that is over there and then the Gar is going to ask so if so why do they have to argue in two different things that are the same thing it's the same now if I were to ask you where in sh does it mention and within the same lines where would you say oh you're looking over there. He says, "I just said it. You're right. I just said it." But when I asked Mendel Fster a few days ago, I said as a joke, I said, "Why does it say sometimes it says, sometimes it says?" I was just trying to bother him. So he says on the top. So here we are. We just passed it. I just went a few lines on purpose. So it says in line number six, it says, And then it says in line eight. So over here he's trying to prove that's the same person. We're explaining why says and the explains it's in in the same line. It's the same human being. You can't say it's two different people. You can't say that he was younger or older. He was a talent. It's the same person. So sometimes the it just says like this something like that and that's how he but his mind works in a very different way than a regular human being. Okay. Okay. It's the same thing the same idea we we remember the first first Mishna of it says the idea of what does mean usually it means like you have to have kavana for a mitzvah over there it means that if you're bringing if you'reing a carbon you cannot switch its designation tolim let's say if you bring and the thinks to himself that's not it's only two you can do it and egg pes. That's it. So, but it's very similar to pickle. It's the same idea, but different I'm thinking to myself, I'm going to eat it at the wrong time. And this is I'm bringing another type of carb instead. I started off this very good. with the proper intent that it's a but I'm thinking to myself, you know what? In five minutes when I throw the blood on the I'm going to throw it as if it's a I'm allowed to jump in my mind from to learning the the problem of jumping from carbon to carbon from I'm going to learn from that I'm thinking to myself I'm going to eat this animal after it's time you cannot go from one to another I don't learn from saying basically it's the same as we just mentioned with do I learn oh if [clears throat] I just said this and now we're talking about it's because of It's outside of so I don't learn the outside from the inside but yeah that we changing the designation to and they're all done inside maybe perhaps you could go from one to another from one from if I only said it's a simple it goes both ways if I only spoke about the case that's inside admits of admits that that you learn from from I'm sorry you learn from but when it comes to maybe that's not a problem because you can go you need in both cases that what do you go from one from in your mind or What's Rash asked a question and the Gar is going to say at the end I'm just pointing out his name is Rash is going to answer the question. So he asks a very simple question that really needs explanation. What do we learn in the in a place where your thought ruins it in the Bikdash? Now Rashi points out the word if look if the person is doing what what would it say? It would say why does it say might be talking about even the case of I could ruin it so to speak by by thinking instead of that it's it's that works says it only the coin has the power to change it and to ruin its but outside mikdash where your mind doesn't work. It doesn't it doesn't have control and then now what's the what's the question right here outside the mind doesn't have control of course your mind has control if you think about while you're shuffling an animal you think in your mind that it's there's no greater than that that is and so asks what does it mean your mind doesn't have control that it doesn't have any Fact it's the actually changes the design makes it huh the but is saying about the he says in a place where the has no effect on the animal outside the mdash so of course the bon doesn't have an effect but he starts with the in the mikdash the has an effect the owner has zero effect so outside the md where the the so to speak has zero effect. So certainly the owner has no effect. What do you mean the the doesn't have an effect? The can make it into by thinking about it. It means that do do you have an effect? Of course you have an effect during the to say that it's but do you have the effect while you to say that I'm going to do I can I go from one my mind and so is like this in even if I think even I think that it's instead of like you saw in the video it ruins it from and I have defect during the I'm thinking that I'm going to do this for but it's only who has an effect says only the not the owner so outside where I shed an animal during I cannot think about I only I could only focus on the if I if I during the you're right it works but not I can't jump to another And so therefore I have that only the person performing the can do it and not the owner. And so then why are you so concerned about the owner the inserting his thought of into your [clears throat] says I think this makes it so easy. What does just say? What does he just Oh I wanted to change. I forgot. Did you change these words afterwards where it says just put the word instead of that little I don't like that guy. I don't know why I did I just wrote this. It's based on that what I could think from to even inside the mdash not outside the mdash. So what's the problem with that? two problems. Doesn't work with with with the part and doesn't work with the outside part. Why? Take a look. The the the words are going to jump. Oops. No, no, no. Don't change it now. Don't change it now. Oh, it's changed the rate. Okay, fine. >> All right, it's there. [snorts] Now says you cannot think about from one and says we're assuming that go with and and said this from one only inside not says it works even outside. So there's one problem for each for each. So says this is fascinating before heard it from his rebby. Rashi calls him his rebi. Yeah. You throughout they argue always argues with right. So before and and here's the here's the crazy thing. According to one says before he heard this he was arguing under on the logic and once he heard it's a mishna he said okay I can't argue on the logic ask look at this small little tus we do all especially if they're small basically I think is very bothered by this doesn't know if because if is like a beginner. You want to tell oh he's a beginner. He wouldn't be arguing with has no right to argue with a argu that's why there's another also okay says that you could go from one to another even outside the same as the question answer the question it's beautiful very simple shot we were learning What I'm going from as I'm thinking to myself, what am I going to do by this? No, no, no, no, no. That's not at all means literally means the four famous avoid. I could think at the that I'm I'm I'm ruining it. I could think by the cabal I'm ruining. I can think by I'm not going I'm not jumping from the right to the left from [clears throat] all I'm saying is that in the B there's four avoid and outside are how many only two that's what I'm saying so that's that's the beautiful where I have four I could ruin it only the can ruin it so when I only have two then certainly only the can ruin it it's more it's more more possibilities and only one person could do it. That's the cash. in a place [clears throat] there's only so certainly only the should be able to do the the should be able to do and ruin this animal and that owner what are we going to do here wow say that what says that you could ruin it from that as you're doing You can think to yourself, I'm going to do this for it says, "You tired." He's woken up at 6:00 as he's doing the he's thinking about. So that's from just said and it makes it terrible. Oh, here's a question. What if H What do we do? What do we do here? We stop here. It's It's already No, we're an hour into Shir. >> It's an hour into Shir. It's 8:20. >> Okay, we're going to have to We're going to have to stop here and figure it out. Rabo, have a wonderful quiet day. Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdyop.com.