CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 38 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] [snorts] We had a whole sug. And we learned in the Mishna that you're permitted to even though it's about to die provided that it shows some signs of life at the end of the we'll see exactly when these signs are. That's exactly what we're discussing. When you have it stand up and it can't stand. So remember this one. It's also part of the video. You stand it up and it falls back down. It could be very very strong. Very strong teeth that could eat wood. But nevertheless, if you stand it up, it tips over. That's of even if it could devour beams. It its mouth is so strong, but that's not a sign to to the weakness to to it to its its lifehood. There's no such word. But it's not it's about to die. This is a slight variation that it was Rav that said the entire thing in one shot. is that you stand it up and it can't stand. Even if it eats wood, it's in one shot. Even if it eats beans says found the rav. Now [snorts] we all know throughout chass and always argue and finds the of tells the mymis what exactly did Rav say in this whole of an animal that's about to die what does it have to do with its feet with its the hands the feet what is it exactly this is what he said if the animal makes a gishmak noise or it relieves itself goes to the bathroom or it moves its ear all these three things are a sign of life in other words let let's go back what's this pirus business is a sign that animal made it through the without dying before the even finished the you have to finish the when it has signs of life and this is a sign that it was strong enough to withstand the not you touched it with a knife you didn't even you didn't even start slicing the the simmon and it died already that's not that's not tells he called abba Aba has to tell me something as extreme as moving ear is already that's not of course if it can move its ear it's like it got up and ran around a half a mile. Of course it's it's alive. I'm talking about things that are it has to be something that's not caused by the death but rather it's after death. It's shows that the animal is strong enough to make movements. is still semi alive a moment after this after the we're talking about a a split moment after the what what kind of thing I heard this from himself if his hand was like this and opened it up the gor says that's nothing when it's already bent just to extend. That's a very that's that's no power. That that's automatic by death. It happens. It stretches. You know, if you ever see a person that gets uh that goes unconscious, somebody punches somebody in the head, [snorts] they fall down and immediately their feet go like this. That's it's like a natural thing. It's that's But to bend to bend to go from straight to bend that shows life. >> [clears throat] >> If his hand was bent already and just to make it straight, that's nothing. That's if the hand was straight to bend to curl it up. That's hard. That's proof of life. And that's a good says says in our mission says one case a smaller animal that extended its hand but didn't bring it back that's not a good so you see that to go from bent to straight is nothing. So what do you what do you mean? It's in the Mishna and you could infer from the Mishna. It's only because it went from from bent to straight but straight to bent. I know it's a little confusing. Straight to bent is okay. It's a good seminar. Okay. I can't learn from the So on the side it says over here the is not a step. It already happened. In other words, we're starting. This is the starting position. Says the Garifa. It's already bent straight. It's not three things. It's two things. It went from bent to straight and from straight to bent. But if from straight to bent, just one motion is not enough to teach me. Maybe that you have to go straight bent. You have to do two motions. Straight and then bend. But from straight to bend, one motion is not enough. Kamashon that if it was straight and he bent it, that's all you need. one motion, but the hard motion to bend. That's considered. If an animal makes noise while that's not considered pirus, if you look at the first word on this, the first word, what does it say? Goyo. What is That's a sign of life. That's that is and over here says making a is nothing even if it relieved itself wagged its tail it's nothing. So all these things that we see the the first line of this oh doesn't say wagging a tail is not a pirashy we have a we have a contradiction our gmorra tells us that mooing is a pirus and over here it says it's not goyash it's not EVEN A CONTRADICTION OH, THAT'S THE SHOT IN the [laughter] [snorts] Wow, what a day. If it let out a moo like that guy did over there. He's wearing his hat. Then it shows that he's alive. Yeah, it's part of death. It makes a little correct. Relieving oneself is not a is not a bish. No, please. No bathroom humor. When when any cow that dies is going to have relieve itself a little bit, but it just comes out without any pressure. says this when when it comes out in a in a with with force that shows that it's alive. [laughter] So Ra say you don't even need a chart for this but why not there's mas I made a chart there's threeas there's a there's the you see the three shittas when did this leg move all the way in the even in the beginning of the or only at the tail end of the meaning a moment after the was over or the moving of the leg happened in the in the middle of the but don't don't pause there. So is the opinion that we're talking about in the middle of the it has to show signs at least in the middle and not when not like it says even in the beginning of the how do I know that happens in the middle of this not as it says in the it says in our that a small animal that extends its hand. It went from bent to extended and didn't bend. We said that's not a good sign. When did this happen? If it happened at the end of the even right after the moment after what you wanted to to just continue living forever, continue moving forever. Obviously this happened before then who told you maybe it happened after the was over if it doesn't do that movement a moment after then that that's already something that a dead animal does. So it has to be after this and that that would be you'll see we'll see it soon he says the most the most thing that's why it's in green it moved its legs in the beginning of the because according to it's enough if he does in the beginning because then he'll show that at the end all you need is a tiny little bit of life left and and that's enough to make this So it's not so much about rather it's it's a sign of life if there's a big pier in the beginning of the so then it had enough all the way at the end of the even if it was a little amount small amount what's my he brings a really a serious riot we had in the mish that if somebody you're not supposed to shite but he shs a night And there's no way for him. There's no lights because we said night. We had the whole night means when there's no light in our days when there's lights and everything. Then night and day is the same exact thing. You shouldn't when there's no lights. But you did a what? What do you not a dangerous animal? An animal who's about to die. You found the walls full of blood. Now what are the what does the walls mean? So this animal's kosher because it showed signs of life. How? Because it sprayed the blood with such force that it got the walls dirty. Says that that zinc forceful blood is a sign of life. And says rash. There's two ways to learn this force of blood on the wall. The wall can mean literally force of blood on a wall. But like we learned in the Mishna and we go with for now that the wall is referring to the neck of the animal. [clears throat] If you did, it barely had life in it. So the blood would drip out. But to get the whole area, the whole neck up and down, right and left, full of blood in all directions, that comes from a forceful um >> spray of blood. This is a better word than spray, but okay. Now he says like this if you hold when did the spray happen. You see the the ver is it's very it's very when it comes to the spraying of the blood and it's at night it's dark. You don't know when it happened. It could have happened in the beginning of the could have happened in the middle of it could have happened at the end. If you tell me that the only time it works is at the end of the there's no way for you to know when it happened. It happened at night. You're coming to inspect in the day and trying to figure out what happened there. The whole neck is full of blood. Okay. But maybe it happened all the way in the beginning of the and that's not a good ray. The beginning of the is a good that's all that's a beautiful. So, so if you say that if you say that you have to show appear in the beginning of the like I'm saying even in the beginning so great. So now that you see blood all over the place on its entire neck so you know oh I was in the middle of saying rashi says that it doesn't mean the wall because the wall you could see when that happened. If you see the wall high up on the wall, that means it happened in the beginning of the If you see a splatter on the bottom like in the middle of the wall, it happened later on in the there's more force in the beginning. That's what he says. So obviously that's why we go with that's on the on the neck of the animal. the neck of the animal there's no indication when it happened the beginning or the end of the so if you say that this side happened at the end of the if you if you're looking for something that happened at the end there's no way to say that this happened that this blood splattered at the end maybe it splattered in the beginning says okay that's a great raya but only a great for blood spray not for leg movement Maybe [clears throat] maybe uh blood that that uh that comes out of the neck that's that's a stronger indication that that works even in the beginning of the but the leg movement maybe that has to be at the end of the how do you know says is blood stronger and a greater indication and therefore for it could be even in the beginning of so look look at this it's not the greatest but I did this in Shabas this is our Mishna right I skipped the after there's a skip but it says like this three three the most the most you You need a hand and a leg. It's not one or the other. It's both. >> Says it's enough if it sprays blood. So what does it say over here? It's enough. What does enough mean? Da means enough. Means I don't hold like you that you need such an extreme hand and foot even if it sprays blood. So spraying blood is less than the top sheet of moving a hand and a foot. Otherwise you wouldn't say you say oh no means it's enough. Now what's the next? It's either or either the the fore leg or the the hind leg. You see splattering of the blood is less than the movement of the of the leg says no. You're right. Spraying the blood is less than a double movement, but it's stronger. It's a greater indication than one or the other. Yeah, because the red and the green. The first is a very says two. You need two saying one. Now, the middle is in between. It's exactly in between. It's less less of an indication than both, but more of an indication than one. So, so maybe Zeno. Exactly. Maybe Zeno is extreme. It's a it's a greater indication than one movement of one limb. How does know that moving one limb could even occur in the beginning of the maybe it has to occur at the end of the ah you see from blood springing of the blood could occur in the beginning of the great rib. That's because it's stronger. It's a stronger indication than moving one limb. Yeah, you're right. It's not stronger than two limbs, but stronger than one limb. This is the famous everybody asks kids, who's Yeshua Benoon's father, right? Yeshua Benon. So, who is the father of Bar Abu? The father of the the son of Abu. Who's the father of the son of Abu? >> Abu. The son of Abu. That was his name. The son of Abu. So the father of the son of Abuam is Abuam. So why did they call him Abu? Actually Abu. Why? Why are you calling him the father of the son of Abu? Because [clears throat] nobody knew who he was. He didn't have a name. It was he was not a his claim to fame was his son. His son was called Baru. So the father of asked the question like the father of that was his So that now it makes sense why there's even some people say it's the brother of not the father of because the father should be it's like nun say nun nun ask the question not Yeshua nun's father so says what the the the zen is stronger than the last you tell The middle is stronger than it's a stronger indication. But what does ad mean? Ad is a strong ad means no no it's not good enough what you're saying. We we want more. We want a greater indication. Who are they referring to? Are they talking to they talking to it can't be the doesn't make any sense says you need the indication is two and they should say no you don't need two even one so the word should be even not make sure it is this not ad means only if yeah you're looking at me like ad means only you need at least This no should say it's enough this it's enough one you don't need two [snorts] enough one not two as long as it moved one limb that's enough that's what it should say not so he's referring are referring to and they said no no no no the the spraying the blood is not enough I need more than spraying the blood I needed to move a leg one leg so you see that moving leg is is more is harder for the animal. It's a greater indication. Okay. So, it turns out that Zeno is the least and if Zeno is the least and you could still do it at night and then we we we assume that it it sprayed the blood. It must be that it sprayed the blood in the beginning and mela all types of pirus could also be in the beginning like So finally we have the last the most. It's not enough to shake the leg in the beginning in the middle. It has to be all the way at the end. And again I'm saying this over and over. At the end doesn't mean the end. At the end means right after the end a second after it finished. How do I know this? the famous. So there's a lot of here that we're learning. So we we're going to go through these words now. not line. So if you have a goat that marries a sheep and they have offspring, you cannot bring this as a carbon. There's a that tells you what not to bring as a carbon. This is more of a nidma. It means it's is really born from a cow, but it looks like a camel. You know, it's like one of these weird looking animals. You cannot bring this as a carbon, but it's a cow. Father's a cow. Mother's a cow. Yeah, it's a cow. But it looks like a camel. So, it's an it says it has to be born naturally. So, an animal born from cecerian, no good. Again, a cow gives birth, a cow dies, drops dead. [clears throat and cough] Out comes a a baby cow naturally. No ciri needed. Maybe it started the process, but it finished off. Is it a birth or not a birth? Answer. It's not a birth. Not a birth. That's not how cows give birth. It's not a key. But the means it has to come out from the womb and not not from a a side wall. Probably It has to be at least seven days old. Any animal less than seven days old is it has to have a mother. This animal has to have a mother. Now what does it mean have to have a mother? For how long? How long did it have a mother for? The mother gave birth to mother and five minutes later it died. What? You wanted you want the mother to live forever. When you sh any animal it has to have a mother. No way. So what's the she in the in the a moment not not not days months obviously it died and then it gave birth but that's that's a problem that would be a problem because it's not in the gather of k either you took it out ceserian took it out naturally it's not a lea that's not considered giving birth elaba It happened simultaneously. The moment it gave birth, it died. If you tell me he needs a slight indication of life after the birth. So now I need a positive to say even though it lived for a moment after the birth, it's still considered a yasum. And you can't bring this on the but if it's a moment before the the end of the birth I need a special to say that you can't have a it's already included in the iser of not having a a natural birth because it was born a mo while the animals dead while the animal's dead it's not a natural birth so it's already included in k so says the and the discusses like what's the connection So what do you see? What do you But bottom line, what do we see from here? We see that it has to be a moment after the death. She gave birth while she was alive. She was alive a moment after. Oh, so now also it has to kick its foot a moment after the like what's the connection between birth and pirus? They discuss fine. So that's the end of that. So rabb proves his thing that what we had a three-way is the pir in the beginning of the middle of it says at the end it has to be a moment after you see this from giving birth in order not to be it has to be that she's alive for a moment after so the is going to be like the what we had this in the which is going to ask but we're doing now a small animal like a goat like a sheep who went from an extension. It's a straight. We said that's a nothing. That's not no indication. Didn't didn't bend. That's not a good indication because every animal does that when they die. Oh, so here's the that's only in the for leg. But the hind leg if an animal goes from bent to straight with its hind leg, that's perfect. Why? because it's very difficult for the strong meaty hind leg to move and even straighten it out. All this is a discussion with a small animal, a large animal, anything you do with a large animal, everything is is is a good indication. Any movement of a large animal, a animal, any any movement even from bent to straight is an indication. And what about a bird? Even if it just moved its wing or just moved its tail that's also an indication of life and that's considered and it's kosher and all this we learned all this in our mishna. That what it says in our mishna. It says one line and you can learn it all from that one line. It's very only a small animal. It says that extended from a bend to straight [clears throat] and didn't go back. So anytime could take this and learn all the from this. Now what? What do you see from this one line? It says, it says, and it says going from bent to straight. So I see from here in all this is indications of the for leg not the hind leg regul any movement of the back leg is good it's only talking about what >> it's only talking about a small animal a large animal any indication so what's the what are you telling me from the didn't speak about a bird about a chicken about a pigeon that what the wing is enough the tail is enough the light and that's the That's also considered a pirus by a bird. Raoai, have a wonderful day. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.