CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 36 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning boys and girls. >> [cheering] >> The new schmaltz in me the boys side here we go to schmaltz. The question is in Shimon bar Yochai Shimon bar Yochai says in the Mishnah that you don't need blood to be machshir carbon. Again, machshir if this is your first day so go back for 5 seconds. Anytime you have produce meat fruits and vegetables, they cannot become tamei until one of the seven liquids touches them to your will you want it to happen. And one of the liquids is blood. And the Mishnah discusses a case where you shecht an animal and there's no blood. So the Mishnah says you could touch this animal even if your hands are shniim. We're not going to give anybody trauma anymore. We're done with that so you're shni and shlishi. So what happens if there's no blood? The Mishnah says it's not mekabel tumah. Shimon bar Yochai says yeah, it is mekabel tumah. Why? Because the shchita itself is what's machshir. The shchita itself is like finishes off the job so to speak. It's my melacha and therefore it's mekabel tumah. So we had a question. Is it the pshat that it's the shchita that does it and not the not not the liquid blood or it's both? Is the blood and the shchita and in the situation where there's no blood by the shchita then the shchita will take care of the of the muchshir lekabel hechsher lekabel tumah. But if there's dam so dam is machshir. So we don't know. So where are we holding? Which tashma? Which? Oh, tashma 10 lines from the bottom. Shimon bar Yochai dam magif >> So to go back to remind the island just a picture we won't show the whole video. There's four types of blood. There's dam hallelum all the way on the right. That's from a wound that occurred during killing the animal not shrita with an arrow. There's dam fasa that's what we're talking about right now. That's from a wound. The animal is still alive but it does blood oozing out of the wound. And there's blood from a maze that died naturally not from an arrow just dropped dead. And then you have dam shrita all the way on the left. Tashma dam fasa ain't no mashia. My love. It says that the blood from a wound doesn't doesn't do hesh to cable tuma. My love of dam shrita mashia. We're trying to figure out does the blood of shrita does that give hesh to cable tuma? And it seems like only the blood from a wound but not the blood of the shrita. Yes, it's a beautiful duke. It says dam fasa the second from the right. Alahari could argue that it's going to be madayak that not dam shrita all the way to the left. He says no, it's yet it's to be madayak only dam fasa but not the one right next to it on the to the right of it dam hallelum. The one to the left yes, dam shrita but not the one to the right. There's different types of blood. I would dam shrita my so what do you tell me? So shrita blood all the way to the left is okay. It is mashia. Am I am sorry. I would dam shrita my loy mashia it's not mashia. Listen to dam shrita because of dam fasa. So why does the brisa talk about the blood of a wound? I'll tell you much greater hedish that even the blood of shrita is not mashia. So dam fasa shrita lay. No, I said it on purpose. >> Look at that Hamino Maliko Maliko Palgo. What's the difference if he's completely dead or half dead? In other words, a wound is like a half dead. Imagine that I'm in the market. Why is the blood of a killed animal killed animal? Show him again. The guy all the way on the right, the arrow through the head. Not a blood comes out. Why is that blood good for the the lion will drink the blood? He sees it's one of the He's drinking blood. We saw it in the safari. We saw that they drink the blood. They lick it up. The blood of is like water. So that should also be a tumor. In Shimon. No, that person is coming to say that when you have a carbon that went wrong, that you know, something happened to it, a So now you cannot it. But you're allowed to benefit from it. You're allowed to benefit from the blood. They give they have a special have a to share the wool and you're not allowed to work them. Don't let them break for us. Maybe you have to treat their blood with more respect and and bury it. That's a lot of that. Okay. So the tomorrow the tone of the small. The lion is going to drink the The lion is going to drink the blood of its victims. He says right. When you take blood from a living animal like I said that you do blood letting. That blood I showed a video I'm not going to show it today of in Africa the people the Masai Mara guys they drink directly from the they take from a live cow and they drink it they think it gives them a lot of koiyach. That [clears throat] blood is not machshir. This is wrong. The seeds taught about it. I shake his down a lot of stuff. Now we have a beautiful sugia. When a person shechts an animal and the blood goes flying onto a gourd a pumpkin. Now this pumpkin is truma and obviously it's not attached to the ground. Rebbi Oime Hochshir that blood is good enough for Hochshir to cable tuma and now I have to be concerned that perhaps this gourd became tumi. Rebbi Chiya Oimer toilin. It's like a safek. So what does a safek mean? A safek mean that you you wait it out until a certain time or safek mean you have to wait until Mashiach comes. Is this safek forever? And is this safek um a temporary safek? I always uh whoever lives in lived in Chicago when in Chicago there's a on the Von Avenue there's a restaurant there that had these this is not from there but this is what it looks like from this when you drive by see hundreds of these gourds. There's a type of a gourd hanging from the things. I was always okay. >> [snorts] >> Dama d'las. Rebbi Oime Hochshir and Rebbi Oime Toilin. Oimer Rebbi Shaya. Ma Rebbi Oime Hochshir Rebbi Chiya Oimer Toilin on our own middle s'mayich. So what what should we do? Rebbi says this thing is tumi it's Hochshir to cable tuma and Rebbi Chiya says I don't know what to do. So what should we do? But we should remember all the steps here because the Gemara is going to go through them what each step means. By you with an Isma K'dei Rebbi Shimon. Let's you know what's the lashon we don't have a today Shimon exactly. Let's be some of human. What does that mean? >> [clears throat] >> Rub Shimon says he's taking it all the way to the extreme. Rub Shimon said that it's the it's the cutting that gives the actual the capital to the animal but not the blood. And what is Rub here saying? Rub here says I don't know what to do. In other words, blood over here is not going to do a motion of capital. It's not going to be motion of capital tumor. Rub here says gourd is kosher. So, you have two people that say that it's okay. You have Rub Shimon that says it's not the blood. So, blood that sprays on a on a gourd doesn't do anything. And you have Rub here that says I don't know what to do. So, may Allah it's two against one. Rub here is so convinced that it's that's motion of capital tumor. It should be totally this thing. So, it's two against one. Rub Papa >> [snorts] >> So, Rub Papa explains. >> [clears throat] >> Everybody is going to agree that if the blood was on the gourd from beginning to the end, then it's obvious that this gourd is motion of capital tumor. And then Rub here is going to explain. What happened was that the gourd got sprayed with the blood right after he cut the first semen the corner let's say. Spritz. Spritz. And then he wipes it down. And then he cuts the second semen. Rub here is over here saying motion of capital tumor. Rub here holds that the from beginning to the end and therefore this blood on this pumpkin from the beginning of the shita and the beginning of the shita is shita. Why die I'm shita? So my mail this pumpkin becomes more shita tomorrow and we're going to assume that it's tomet. Reb Hiyya saw in the shita of Reb Hiyya holds at this point this man holds that Reb Hiyya holds that there's no the shita happens at the tail end of the shita all the way to the end. Why die I'm mako? And therefore this is blood of just a wound. The initial blood that comes out of the corner it doesn't count. What we care about is the blood at the end. The blood of the wound was wiped away. But here comes a tremendous khidush. That blood that was wiped away, had you not wiped it away, it would actually turn into blood of shita once the shita is over. It would retroactively it was there. Only if it was there. Why die I'm shita? Here's my shita why die I'm mako? What might I tell him so what is he saying you should wait around? Not not for Messiah. Why die I'm my shita? You should wait and see if the blood is there until the end of shita. Yes I die I'm shita. If the blood is on top of the pumpkin at the end of shita mako then it turns out since there's a shita only at the end so the blood mako is not a mako anymore. The blood mako is actually part of the shita. And it's it has the ability to be mako tomet. But if you remove it it's a tremendous khidush. You remove it then there's no retroactive on it anymore. You can't say oh cuz at the time that it hit the the gourd it was it was wound blood and you removed it. It was only wound blood and wound blood is nothing. Here's the dam shita mako why die I'm mako? Oh my boy this is Reb Shimon. So what does it mean? Let's Okay. So, according to According to Reb Hiya, he said it it is machshir l'kabel tumah at the end of the day. Well, my brother Reb Shimon Reb Shimon Reb Shimon lo machshir. According to Reb Shimon, the blood from shchita doesn't work. It's only the shchita itself. Reb Hiya machshir. And according to Reb Hiya, it is machshir l'kabel tumah. So, so why do you bring a raya from Reb Shimon? This is a Gemara about If you wipe it down and you don't have that that initial blood, machshir or lo machshir? Reb Hiya says it's no good. The blood is no good because it's dam aka. And Reb Shimon says, "I don't hold of any blood that's machshir from shchita." And Reb Hiya and that case, they're both maskim. How do they differ? Reb Hiya who says that it is machshir l'kabel tumah is only one against Reb Hiya and Reb Shimon who both hold that it's not machshir l'kabel tumah in a case where he wiped it down. Reb Hiya or so again, so what do we say toila means? Toila means according to Reb Hiya, let's just wait a minute until the end of the shchita. Let's see if there's a a completion of the shchita. If there's a completion of the shchita cuz I hold that shchita happens all the way at the tail end. And Reb Hiya Oh, here we have to remember just to to to show the Reshiva. Is the shchita at the end of the shchita? Does the shchita begin and end in it's one long process or it's all the way at the tail end? Remember, you have to watch the gauges very carefully. The top gauge is it's all one shchita or boom, the last second. Reb Hiya says it's the last second. Reb Hiya If the blood remains there without you wiping it down from the beginning to end in the last second makes it a kosher shchita and then it turns out that that blood was part of the shchita. If not, it's not. So, toila means you have to wait for a minute. Reb Hiya doesn't like that. Reb Hiya Toila means I got to I have to wait until Mashiach comes. Forever. Why? Cuz Reb Hiya had a safek whether or not he's He doesn't know that it's He's misubak whether it is or it isn't. I don't know what to do until Messiah comes. So therefore, I cannot eat it because maybe it's trumah that's tameh. And also I can't burn it because it's maybe it's good trumah. I'm not allowed to burn trumah. What am I What does it mean? Let me Let me rely on Reb Shimon. Reb Shimon but according to Reb Shimon it's not and Reb says it's a safek. Says the Reb But do you go ahead and burn it? Yes or no? According to According to Reb Shimon, you don't burn it. Why? It's not According to Reb you don't burn it. What about eating it? So according to Reb you you could. I'm sorry. According to Reb you can eat it cuz it's a safek here. But according to Reb Shimon, you could eat it because it's not Reb Shimon. So only only in the department they agree with each other. Both say you don't you don't burn it. Reb says cuz it's a safek. Reb Reb Shimon says you don't burn it because it never got any liquids. Blood is not considered a liquid. However, Rebbi Rebbi is the one that says it's Rebbi is the one that says it's burn it. And you have two that say don't burn it. So they win. And therefore, you have to wait until Messiah comes to understand whether or not you can either eat it or burn it. By Reb Shimon bar Lakish. As Reb Shimon bar Lakish. So Reb Shimon bar Lakish are you mind by Reb Shimon bar Lakish? Seven and a half years ago in sheer I brought a bunch of flour and I brought oil and I made a mincha. And uh it's tough. You make a mincha and you're like the oil is not getting everywhere and then you have these clumps. You know, like let's let's call this a clump. What's inside this clump? Flour. Flour that doesn't have any oil in it. That oil never touched the inside. The outside, yes, but the inside, no. So, the question is how do we view the flour inside this clump? Is it Is it mushal like have a tumah or not? Just cuz the the oil touched some of the flour on the side doesn't mean all the flour is mushal like have a tumah. How do we view this? So, what do you do? Sorry to interrupt this mine and by rishon vishaini or mine and by rishon vishaini. Does this have the ability to to give off tumah to something else or it itself So, the Gemara introduces to us this this concept. We might have had it the other day for a split second, but now we're going to discuss chivas akodesh. The love of kodesh that the Ribono shel Olam has for kochim and that gives it more abilities. So, this piece right over here, this clump of of >> flour This clump of flour has a special love cuz it's kochim. So, maybe that love stops at a certain place. It only It itself becomes possul. It We're going to view this as as tamei. The min and by rishon vishaini loy, but it doesn't have the the ability to impart tumah to something else. I didn't like shalom, perhaps no. It has the ability to go wider. As the Gemara is going to describe later that is this a deraisa even if it is a deraisa it's told me the deraisa how how much further could it go? Omar Tushma. So, drops a bomb here. Very hard to understand and the Gemara is going to attack him immediately. Every food that can be eaten above the mine who the only way to make something is with water and the story says black and white since the sunflower inside this lump that doesn't have water that touched it is it and has water other he was everybody holds of this. What was his question? I understand what saying but nevertheless had a question. Does the love of the does it give it as if the as if water touched it? But has an extra to tell us that this is not it says if you put water I'm not going to show you this video I'm just I'm going to show you the just the first frame so you remember right this is the video of motion it says in the and he even says he says funny words my my my my my my my my my It says you should put water on top of a seed. So then why does it every food that can be eaten it's a little extra it's even on seeds. It's coming to exclude this clump of flour that the inside is not to my says lawyer Oh yeah yeah it's possible but it's not it's not to my You have you have an extra actually just points out real quickly that both by but sometimes when you don't have what to do with the we have okay let's learn for to my my my So let me you this give out to give you. I like these kind of videos because they're very um educational. Because it will just explain to us one of the two things that we don't see unfortunately tomorrow. Make the volume maybe. >> Welcome to the tuma colbo. Here you have everything you need to become tame. So, we have two main tracks. The long track, tuma mace. How much do you need? A kazayis of basar and you are tame for seven full days. And the tahara? Hazao from the afer para aduma and then mikvah. Huh. And we have the fast track, tuma sharetz. The shier? Kel adasha. How much time? Till the evening. >> lentil and that's it. >> And the tahara? Tevila in a mikvah. No para aduma. So, which track are you choosing? >> Okay, one is talking about tuma mace and one is talking about tuma sharetz. Which we can say is a simple shier also. You ask me in tuma mace If we're talking about the tuma of a dead person, it's severe. Who the boy what no sorry. It's not severe. You need a tuma why the limit time you need a larger shier of the kazayis we saw in the video. You need a kazayis. The size of an olive, not the size of a lentil. So, it's less severe and then may law I have to be much to the cable tuma. I was shier in the so it's much more sensitive to tuma. You become tame even if you touch a small lentil piece of a of a dead mouse. A ma lay the boy shier. I would think, okay, it's so severe so you don't need a you don't need a much you don't have to pour water in your fruit in order for them to become tame. A sharetz is less severe why? It can't do tuma for seven days, only for one day. I will make it shiva. That person you touch that person you coming for 7 days. It's so severe you wouldn't need how should I call it to my Sri Master Joseph. Who said in the Mishnah and we decided that the at least according to one sheet that our mission was talking about Khulip. The whole the whole Mishnah on Khulip we proved it because it says in the Mishnah Khaya. Khaya is not in the base hamigdash. Khulip. Rib Shimon says that the Shita is what gives the hechsher to the Khulip Tumah. Khulip if you go Rib Shimon Shaini. It becomes Khulip Tumah meaning even to give over to impart Tumah. Am I if you have just the Shita with the water. If you go like Rib Loza that's Mamesh. You need you need water on the food. Where do you have the water here? Am I by you. A soak my mother Rabonan. No. Rib Shimon by Khulip was talking about just the Rabonan. It's a Gzeira. That's why he said that by Shita it's the Khulip Tumah. Rib Loza on the on the other hand is talking about the De'oraita. You could actually What's the difference between the Rabonan and the De'oraita? Do I take this Trumah and I burn it? If it's De'oraita you burn it. The Rabonan not. So Abaya is going to use this answer again. And Rib Yossi doesn't like that he's just answering this that what we're talking about the Rabonan. Am I Rib Yossi I'll bring you another Aya. Tashma Habotzel Legas. What's the Botzel Legas? New video for Botzel Legas very very short. It just shows you that the person didn't want the juice coming out of these grapes. What would a person rather keep the juice, use the juice, or let it fall on the floor? This juice is Botzel Legas juice. He didn't really want it to happen. So does it have the ability to impart to to be Masha the Khulip Tumah or not? Shamai Omer Khulip Shir. Shamai himself not be here. Shamai >> [snorts] >> The Shas says it's forced like like by the day that the egg was made. Now am I But what's the problem? There's no water there. Why is it a water problem? You're right. You're right, there's no water in shouldn't be the right to work, but we made it in the right way we made it. All my life I advise Rebbe, yeah, the famous Rebbe Yosef. I tell you that says that the Shas alone is what gives it the you don't need liquid. And I ask you why not you need water but obviously it's okay mine. You tell me it's the right one. And then comes and proves it to you. I must lay you told me the the water gas also also mine. So so then the Shas if this this clump of a flower does it a part to me or not? You should have answered yes it parts to me. Just keep on going with your theme. Shas also mine. I must lay I told you this is coming by the way. You shouldn't have a question of a problem. It imparts of course it imparts to me this clump of flower. I must lay I want to know if I want to know whether or not this clump of flower if you could burn it in other words is it a not if it's a problem. So says the I must lay the right so so It seems like it agrees that this clump is to me otherwise you would have asked What about the clump? Could it do you burn it or do you not burn it? He didn't ask do you burn it. He asked, "Does this impart a region in the shiny? Does it continue?" But the club itself he knew that it's the right that you burn it. And how long? And where did he get that from? It says by schlem that if the meat touches something that's Tommy becomes Tommy. And we have to understand you have the boys that think about it. You have a carbon in the base of migdash. What are the possibilities of the meeting in the base of migdash to become Tommy? How? How? >> [snorts] >> They have to have one of the seven liquids. Where are they going to get the seven liquids from? There's no there's no honey in the base of migdash. The blood from the shchita No no good. The bottom What? Yayin on the the thing? Okay. So the water. What kind of water? Okay. So the goes through all the things. You have to say there's there's oil. You have to say both of shiga Tommy. How both of discussion of my? How? You have to discussion of them. There's blood everywhere over there in the base of migdash. Well we had this other day but now the blood of the carbonas doesn't have the ability to be master of the carbon of the has to be something that spills on the floor like water. That means only blood that spills on the floor. Shame is but blood that you try to catch and receive. Cabal cabal cabal of Saddam So that's not considered a lot of kind of my. So it's not master. You have to discuss so you going to say discuss with master payment of the higher. There's something in the base of migdash there's a hole butcher section over there here. The stone the the the stone thing the marble. And this is the water of base of migdash of higher. Not only are the waters tar and I'll say master that water doesn't have the ability to mashir the kabulton. The heat to give my dam. What we're saying that it doesn't have the ability, this mashir doesn't have the ability to be mashir. To give my dam. Say it was it was not referring to water, it's referring to blood. No, you can't say that for mashke come out. You're talking about plural, two types of liquids. What are the two types? Blood and water. Can't be just blood. It's mashke, it's also water. Hello, love. See See from here, this guy be he messed up the kodesh. This guy should be he messed up the kodesh. See from here that the just the love does the the the the shlomen becomes mushir the kabulton and not from blood and not from water, hello, from first it has to be a normal process. Not some guy spilled the wine on him by mistake. The normal process of the became tame and mushir the kabulton from the love of kodesh. The dam perhaps could have you the mush more than have you the mush more. Have a great case. You go into parsha shlomen the veer benachol. You had a shlomen and you brought it through the river. Why do you bring through the river? The dafke so if you had the shkita, you heard they they they give the the animal to drink right before the shkita, it makes it easier for the for the for them to to flay it, to skin it. So, you bring him through the nachol. You you you make him all wet. Shkot with dam mashke the vella. It has water from that river. Oh, hello. Masefa from then the possuk babasar the rabbais eats some levoina. That the wood oh, I have levoina here. Here's levoina, shmak, frankincense. This is makabel tame now. Does anybody eat this? No, it's not edible. How could it be makabel tame? It's not a it's not a clee. It's not food. What is it? Babasar I need a special word to tell me that they're makabel tame. Eats some levoina eats some levoina even wood. Eats some levoina but they're not eating it. They're not edible. Hello, he messed up the kodesh It's the love of wood that we have on the wood, and that makes it like food to be How can I So too in the case of a clump of flour. The love of gives it a kind of tumor. My and on that is the question. Wow, we're doing well. 57 minutes. Maybe this from the Torah gives it a in itself, but it doesn't have the ability to impart or maybe it does have the ability to impart to me. Take you. I have a voice. Have a wonderful day. I hope you have >> Merit this causes spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.