CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 35 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning rabbi boys and girls. Rabbi boys and girls, we're holding a sixth line in the bottom of the page on page 102. On base. We're talking about the hands of a person that instituted a tumor they're considered a shiny. Rabbi boys and girls, I have my my dead sherds over here. This dead sherds is an abba tumor. The dead sherds abba tumor. If this dead sherds touches this grapefruit right over here, the grapefruit goes down one level and becomes a rishon. So, let's find the rishon here. This rabbi boys and girls, what is this? This is chulin. >> [snorts] >> Chulin. This because a mouse touched it, it becomes a rishon. If this grapefruit touches this grapefruit, what does this become? Shiny. Great. If this grapefruit touches this grapefruit, becomes a shlishi which is if it's if it's whatever. It's a shlishi. Let's say shlishi. What does a shlishi do? >> [snorts] >> This could be altaris a truma. It could be chulin that you did altaris a truma, altaris a kodesh. You had more more shmira on this. Okay. So, Ulla says that if you eat a shlishi, you eat this, take a bite, ah. He says that you're not allowed to eat truma. The cohen who eats from this shlishi, his body his body becomes a shlishi, and therefore he can't eat trumah. So says the Gemara, A sphere of a new new ola. A rishon shibchulin, this guy right over here, rishon shibchulin. This grapefruit is it's a chulin, it's a very simple grapefruit that you bought in the store, it's a rishon. Tameh, umitameh. [snorts] If it touches trumah, this Rebbe, I say it's trumah. This is trumah. So this trumah becomes tameh, but also mitameh. Mitameh means that it has enough power to pass it on. Not only is this fruit tameh, but it's mitameh. It gives off tumah. So put it right over here. This is a fruit, a trumah fruit, sh'tego spoiled, >> [snorts] >> that touched chulin. This fruit right over here touched chulin, which was a rishon. It's powerful. Rishon is very powerful. It's so powerful that it makes this trumah tameh, and also if this fruit touched another fruit, it'll be mitameh, like we saw over here. It makes this guy sheni. Next, v'sheni, this guy, this chulin guy, that's a sheni, only >> [clears throat] >> possels a trumah. So, take it. If this is trumah, and it touches a sheni, so it only becomes possel. Possel means it doesn't have the ability, maybe we should it does looks a little bit it's too crowded. I see I see the screen. I see what they're the scene over there a little bit too much. Okay, this goes together with this. Hold on. We'll see in a second. This made this trumah. This is trumah. We could even Here. I'll put another little guy over here. This is trumah. And this is trumah. Okay. This peach is trumah and it's only possible. Possible means the trumah the tumah does not transfer to another fruit. What about a shlishi? The shlishi nechlav ben zeidah demah. Wow. I need nechlav ben zeidah demah. So, this peach which touched the final grapefruit, the shlishi grapefruit, this shlishi that touched this fruit, if you were were to grind up this this uh peach and make it into a spice, you could actually it has so little tumah in it uh it has so little tumah transferred from this grapefruit into this peach that you use this peach as a spice in my in my cholent. My trumah cholent. >> What does that mean nechlav ben zeidah? >> It's edible. You can eat it in a dish. It doesn't have nechlav ben zeidah means nazid is a cholent. Here, let me show you real quickly. Here here's the video from yesterday. Here, let's just watch the video to understand what's nazid. This is nazid. This is a cholent. I can take trumah and put it in here. Now, this this is a shlishi. This is a chulin a shlishi. You do not wash negel vasser so his hands are still shiny. Okay, that is a So, this shlishi guy you could still pour in trumah into it. Now, here's the thing. It's chulin. It's chulin that was al taras ha trumah. Taras ha trumah to remind the oilam, where's my guy? Here. The guy is a faker. Not a faker, it's a fake. It's a fake trumah. He's treating that that cholent, that grapefruit, whatever it is, he's treating it with respect as if it's trumah. It's not trumah. He didn't get it from Eretz Yisrael. It wasn't It wasn't a fruit that you have to give a coin. He bought it in the store, this cholent. It's regular cholent. It's chulin. But, he treats it al taras ha trumah. Now, this rebbeisam is a key thing right here. How do I know that it's that this case is talking about that he treated it with taras ha trumah? Because he poured trumah into it. How can you pour trumah spices into chulin? You can't. Into something that wasn't washed well. So, must be that he poured trumah into the chulin because it was very very watched. It was kept with the the most extreme chumras of trumah. He treated like trumah. But, if this trumah fell into a shlishi, this taras ha trumah became a shlishi. How did it become a shlishi? Somebody with pink hands, shiny hands, touched it. I could still I could still pour trumah into it. Even though it's al taras ha trumah. What did Ulla say? Ulla [clears throat] said that if somebody eats a shlishi, his whole body becomes tamay. To the point where he's not allowed to eat truma. So, what are you telling me? You're telling me that a cohen is allowed to eat from this cholent? And what's going to happen when he eats from this cholent according to Ulla? His body is going to become Tommy. Says Rashi that's the inside right. You're not allowed to make your body Tommy. Twice as argues with Rashi. But Rashi holds you're not allowed to make your body Tommy. So, the problem is and this is a very very that is the kind of kugel. It's not like m'forash here in the But if you look at the long Rashi on M'dallah, you'll see this point. So, the guy made this cholent al taras truma. And it's a shlishi and I told him go ahead and eat it. Afilu b'nazid nechal b'nazid. You're allowed to eat the cholent. But according to Ulla, if you eat the cholent, it makes your body Tommy. You're not allowed to make your body Tommy. Answer. Listen to this answer. You're allowed to eat this cholent and it doesn't make your body Tommy. You know why? Because it's so insignificant what you put in there. How much How much spice did you put in there? Let's say you put a teaspoon It has to be a kazayis. So, in the cholent, think about a kazayis of salt. Let's say you put a kazayis of salt into the cholent. How much cholent do you have to consume in order to get that entire uh tablespoon of salt? The entire pot. How are you going to eat an entire pot in 9 minutes? It's It's going to take you the entire amount of your kazayis of spices that you put into the cholent. That's impossible to be over the avera of eating tru- Cuz you're never going to do that. You're never going to So, really you're allowed to eat the cholent. So, he says, "What do you bring me a raya from cholent?" If you If you had a place that a source that said that you're allowed to eat real food that's a shlishi, then you'd have a problem. How do we allow a cohen to put that in his body when it's going to make like body Tommy? We're only talking about a child and a child is the spice and a spice in order to be over you have to be eat the entire thing and you can't eat it within 9 minutes so let's inside. We lunch from the bottom. The arm is if you tell me that according to Ulla when you eat a shlishi your body becomes possible and it cannot consume any truma any longer so finally maybe the possible of the goofi you're telling him he can eat this shoul that's a shlishi? I'm going to lay and I have to say that I'm not going to bring any raya from on the zid the zid of the a child hadama that there's no truma the leket zayis they are sprouts. It's impossible to eat the sheer of the truma that you that you put in there in achilas pras. A pras means half. So half a loaf of bread. A bread is made out of eight eggs. So half a loaf of bread is four eggs. Yesterday we spoke about chatzi pras a half of a half of a loaf of bread that's two eggs. I'm going to be honest with you I'm ready. I got shlishi shul truma atzmo. He's basically repeating exactly what we just said with a small variation. Until now we were talking about this dude. The guy that watches his food as if it's truma. All he does is is he says it is truma. It is truma. There's truma and there's a guy that pretends that it's truma. Okay, he's wearing jeans and his and his shoes and he's pretending it's truma. But it's not and then Rebbe Yonason says no no no we're talking about real truma but the halacha is the same. And this gemara is going to say at the end the halacha has remained the same. So then why did one pick truma and one pick he's pretending to be truma? Because each one has a little chiddush in it and that's the next eight lines which is almost like a freebie. Rebbe Yonason says I got shlishi shul truma atzmo if is eats the the level of truma itself not a pretend truma. Also he's not he becomes his body becomes a therefore he's not allowed to eat truma. He's allowed to touch his hands don't give off to me to you a lot of touch truma. Cuz he's only a she. He had to come and talk about truma itself and he was speaking about fake truma cuz each one has a little the what? He talking about fake truma he's pretending it's truma he's watching it as truma. I would think that's going to case when it's fake. I have a truma but real truma if you consume real truma maybe I'll say you're not allowed to even touch truma. You are so tummy your body you shouldn't be touching truma with the maybe stay away from everything. But again me also. Okay. That's why I need. Talks about real truma. We only spoke about real truma why am I so cuz he ate real truma but if it's fake it's really but he pretended that's truma but he didn't maybe he he's only a so maybe he could consume that cooling grapefruit that he was on it as if it's truma I need both cases. The also the comment. Oh correct. I almost answer my own question. He sat he also and he sat the question is why does it say he sat twice he's not sitting sitting. I was took it out so I wouldn't have a the comment. So now we're going to play a game a real game. I showed you this chart yesterday. And this is today Sugya basically until until we get to that Agadata. Which is in Anoma base half a less than halfway down on the base. Basically, there are four sheetas over here. What we're going to do is we're going to read some Gemara and we're going to see these sheetas basically besides one of the sheetas that which we're going to leave for tomorrow, I guess. Or we actually had it yesterday. Chulin at Kodesh. Yeah, where's that Rebbe? Here, Kodesh. A person treats his Trumah Who is his Trumah? His Chulin. He treats his Chulin as if it's Kodesh as if it's a carbon from the Mizbeach. We get rid of all these guys. Now we're pretending it's meat. Yeah, we have to pretend this grapefruit is a piece of meat. A person is treating Chulin as if it's meat as if it's meat right off the Mizbeach. Sheeta number one is he did zero. Zero. It's Chulin. What does that mean? You don't have the right to do that. Bottled out of the column. If you do that with >> [clears throat] >> let's see, where's the Trumah guy? No. Oh here, this guy. Yeah, you touch it with the shiny but it's we're talking about Shlishi now. Chulin at Kodesh. Touch it with the shiny. You have the right to do it with Trumah. Why? Because you have Rabbi Schonberg, you have Danny, you have all these Kohanim that they need to be careful on a daily basis. People come to the door all the time. Knock on the door. Knock knock. Here's a bag of grapefruits. Here's a bag of apples. So Danny's wife has no clue who who knocked on the door, who didn't. She's going to grab an apple and she's not going to be careful. So Danny says, "In my house, everything everything is Trumah." This is normal behavior. So if you want to treat your stuff like Trumah, that's great. But when you start being super Machpid and start saying, "Well, I maybe I'll get a stick from the That's not something common. Nobody does it. Your brain is bottled out of the column. I don't care. So, it's zero. He holds zero. That's one cheetah. Cheetah number two is it's it becomes a shlishi but doesn't do anything. It itself is a shlishi. It doesn't have the power to go on and continue tuma. So, it won't be a revi. She She the number three is it's a shlishi oiseh kodesh revi. It makes a revi. And she the number four is not only does it make a revi, it goes backwards. It's super powerful. It can make a sheni. So, we have a number four says it makes a sheni. Number three says it makes a revi. Number two says it's it's a solid tuma but it doesn't do anything. It's a zero. Doesn't continue. And and and one says it's a zero should be zero. It doesn't even start. So, now come here. I am tamei but I can't impart any tuma. That's a something. That's number two. I am tamei. I can make very little tuma a revi. I am so tamei I can make a sheni. And number one says nothing. So, now when we read in the I'm just going to ask you which one is it that we read cuz it's confusing. You'll read the words in the you might not see if it's a one, if it's a two, if it's a three. It'll take you five seconds to to what's going on here. Says the Gemara. Yosef Yitzchak bar Shmuel bar Marta bar Nachman We also have a Gemara. Oichel shlishi shel chulin she na'asais kodesh. That's exactly what we're talking about. You see the headline? Chulin na'asais kodesh is a shlishi. Tahar lecho bakodesh. What are we now in the chart? She'eilah d'var she'oiseh revi'i bakodesh. It cannot make a revi. Ela kodesh mikodesh bavod. The only thing that could impart a revi, a shlishi to a revi, is if it's gufai kodesh. If it's kodesh bigdushas haguf. Meaning I take a carbon to the base of migdos. I said that it's a hot sauce. Saying that it's a hot sauce is only words. Cutting its neck heater creates a good at that point that's a good off. It has the ability to impart to her. But we're not talking about an animal that you brought to the base of migdos. We're talking about a grapefruit. Well, not a grapefruit. A piece of meat. But you decided on yourself. It's colon. You decided on yourself that it should be like like a piece of meat from the from the bear. So it doesn't have the ability to make it a review. It stays at a So on this chart, what number did we just read? Number two says it'll be a C. It's a that doesn't have the ability to make a review. That's number two. It's a little difficult. It's It takes a few seconds to You could say maybe it's one. No, no, no. It's not one. One is zero. He says I It is It is told me but it doesn't have the ability to make a review. That's number two. What's inside? Uh I wish you could not tell us to record this. He could eat and he would He does not become a review. Because Ella could make good only if he's good since he's only good at that. Rashi says he was a good like like like from his mouth. It's not good enough. Says the Most of them I don't like that. He says she if a person eats a What happens to him? He He goes up a level. She ain't no good. He's like a shiny. He eats a shiny when it comes to to catch him. He's like a shiny. The ain't shiny in the true mode. He doesn't go up a level for true mode. And we're talking about the Kohanim as well, altars trumah. This guy right over here. Only in a trumah am I holav kodesh mikdashu? Why would it become a shainy? For for kodshim, you told me the only way it becomes a shainy for kodshim is if it's the carbon itself. It's kodshim d'gushah d'guf. Omer lei, "Hanachah trumah sh'taharasah d'tumah hi etzel kodshim." No. Hanachah trumah sh'taharasah d'tumah hi etzel kodshim. So, I'll give you a a very nice example. If I give you a suitcase with a million dollars in it, and I tell you, "Take this suitcase from here to New York on a flight." Will you fall asleep on the flight? Never. You won't fall asleep. Why? Cuz I gave you a million dollars. What if I give you a thousand dollars to take to New York? You might fall asleep. You probably will fall asleep. So, now let's take that back to us. If a person is makpid on a fruit on food like kodshim, that's a million dollars. He's so nervous about kodshim. It's mamesh the the the the top of the top. But, trumah, he he's watching it. He's doing his friend a favor. It's a lot of money. It's a thousand dollars. But, he's relaxed. Worst comes to What's the worst comes to worst? Worst comes to worst? He lost a thousand So, pay him a thousand dollars. It's not a million dollars. Trumah, you watch it. But, what's the worst? Yeah, it was a mistake. Okay. Mamila, the Gemara says that if when when you're looking at a guy that watches it for trumah, it's like zero compared to to kodshim. It's a zero. He didn't watch it at all. We have to treat it as if it's tamay. It's a different type of shmirah. It's not in the same category of shmirah. Mamila, and the Gemara brings an unbelievable raya. Let's read it inside, though. Omer lei, "Hanachah trumah, you're talking about a guy that was watching it altars hakodesh. He's making sure that the trumah is kodesh sh'taharasah d'tumah. We treat it like tamay. He ate it like Kaidus. When I tell him, "How do you know that you do such a thing? You treat it like Tommy." This not big the am arets, medris leprushin. The clothing of an am arets have a tum of medris. Medris means if I sit on it, if I stand on it, they become Tommy. If a zav sits on a on a beged, if a nida sits on a beged, it becomes Tommy like the person himself. Like it's a am a tum of this beged. If if a person that has tuma sits on a couch, that's why all couches today, all chairs today have the tuma of a nida, have a the severe tuma. You The only way to get rid of it is put it in a mikva when Messiah comes. Here, you have a person that has tuma, the tuma seeps right through all the mattresses, all the way down, even though they're not touching the the bottom mattress. Something more than that, big the am arets. Now, the the clothing from am arets, you have to be careful. Maybe maybe his wife nida sat on it. So, the Tommy. He's am arets. He doesn't know how to watch stuff. It but only to who? Medris leprushin. A parosh is somebody who's careful to eat chulin betahara. He always grapefruit. Everything he buys from the store, he treats it with respect of tahara. But he's just a parosh. Big the prushin, you you think you're so machmir? You're a nothing. You see this idea that it's you're like a Tommy compared to medris leikly truma. You're a parosh. You're a you're a Yisrael. You're a nobody Yisrael who treats things like you're a cohen. Very good. But you're a nobody compared to a real cohen. Leikly truma. And guess what? And you cohanim big shots, you think you're so good. Big the oichly truma, the the cohanim that eat truma, their their clothing is nothing compared to medris lekaidus. So, you see this idea that truma, if you you're careful truma, you're a nothing compared to to to to kotzim. Amar Rava, medris this commerce. What do you bring me a right from this case of mattresses and and clothing? Shani midrasas, shamitation of lay in ishta nida. It's so common, everybody who has a wife has this issue, shamitation of lay in ishta nida. Maybe his wife the nida will sit on it and make it tame. So, it's very common. Avu be peyria, but we're not talking about midras. We're talking about fruit. The fruit should become tame is not so common. Lo yevina, we don't say this that a person who's very careful with his fruit that it should be like truma, it's nothing compared to kacham. Oh, why is it nothing? It's it's it's on a high level of watching. Oh, but you brought me a right from mattresses. That's common. So, I have to be super careful. Maybe that if I if I'm careful with kacham, someone that's careful with truma is a zero compared compared to kacham. But not when it comes to fruit. Very obvious to say be very dominant. This is no there's no difference. So, even if I'm watching something uh uh I'll shmira atar as a truma it's nothing for somebody that that watches atar as a kodesh. Really there be very dominant. Says the mar. Most of you have been with me different. Only I mean a be peyria. Do we say when it comes to fruit that a person is keeping atar as a kodesh it's nothing compared to kacham but none in mar Oh, so my voice is check this out. I'm telling you there's so many new concepts here. It's unbelievable. And am arets, you know am arets, we don't trust him that he took truma some arets. And am arets is another thing that we never really spoke about. Uh at least not in the last I don't know when. Listen to this. Beautiful alacha. And am arets, and am arets he's not believed to say that this barrel of wine that it's $10,000 barrel of wine is is doesn't have tuma when it's truma. But if it's the super top level of kacham it's kacham wine, he's believed to say there's no tuma. Again, and am arets is not believed on a barrel of wine that's truma. But on kashim is believed. Why? We're not going to get into it, but if we don't believe him, he won't bring carbonas to the base hamikdash. He gets insulted. Maybe he'll make his own misbah in his backyard. We don't want problems. You're invited like the rest of klal Yisrael okay say Amora it's fine. What if he takes one cup of kashim and pours it into a giant barrel of truma. Do we trust him now on the 10,001 cups? The answer is yes. Why? Cuz this one cup of kashim that we trust him on and maybe we have to trust him on the whole thing. Says the Gemara, but now we said in the Mishnah Amora says I took into this beautiful giant barrel of truma I took one tiny revi'is. 87 ml whatever it is according to Chazon Ish the Chazon Ish revi'is kodesh. Ne'eman is believed that the whole wine is tahor and it's not tahor truma kodesh. And that little truma that little truma the 10,000 cups of truma don't make the kodesh this wine tamei. The Amora says the kodesh is tamei but if he told me that when a person watches a truma it's a zero compared to the kodesh the tamei truma of kodesh why isn't the rest of the wine in the barrel make the kashim tamei? Amalei no kasha tamei b'chiburin kodesh you're asking me a question about wine that's already mixed in and it's solid in the in the barrel. Tumei b'chiburin shani when it's attached it's different. Why? The migo d'mehemanus kodesh we do trust him on that one revi'is on the kodesh therefore mehemanus on the 10,000 cups truma mehemanus on truma. Most of Rav Huna bar Nosson here we go rebbeim so here's the game again. >> [clears throat] >> And then we wrap it up. It's the six more lines. Most of Rav Huna bar Nosson hasheini sh'b'chulin you have chulin that's a sheini m'tamei mashkin chulin if [clears throat] a sheini do we have to do this? Let's do it real quickly. This is a This is a shiny. This is a regular grapefruit. shiny The boy said, "If it touches this water, what happens to this water?" Very good. Where's my re-shine? Re-shine, here we go. Hold it out, y'all. This becomes a re-shine. It goes becomes a re-shine. Um I say And therefore and it does only makes makes truma puzzle the food of truma puzzle. That's Where's my re-shine? No, you don't have it? Oh, here's the re-shine. Same thing if it touches water even though it's a very very truma it's only re-shine it makes this water a re-shine and it makes truma this is the problem right over here a re-v It's a problem. So, if we look at the chart, what do we just read on the chart right over here? A re-shine becomes a re-v. What did we just read? Number three. A re-shine becomes a re-v is number three. So, we just we saw number two we saw a number three. Um Now, check this out. We're going to read it quickly. Tell me what it is on the chart. The sign ya. This is our case. What is that on What is that in the chart? One, very good. The kid that gives $180 he's the first one to answer here. What is that on the chart? It has the ability to make two things tamei, to make a rishon and a sheini. And here's the keyword, v'litza l'echad. It can make a shlishi. So, what is that on the chart, raboisai? It's a shlishi number two. Number two. It's a shlishi, but doesn't make a revi'i. It's only a shlishi. That's echad. V'litza l'echad becomes a shlishi, doesn't make anything else. Let's keep on going. And here's the garta. Rebbi Shimon omer who shuru b'shchita. We're in the brand new shur. You're seriously We're done We're done with the sheini shlishi. That's it. Omer Rebbi Asi, omer Rebbi Shimon, shchita m'chsheir v'lo yidam. Rebbi Shimon in the mishna says that the shchita that makes it susceptible to tumah, you don't need a liquid. Shchita by itself. So, it seems like the liquid doesn't even work. But dam is one of the seven liquids. >> [clears throat] >> So, now we're going to see there's a difference between blood and blood from a shchita. Blood from a shchita might not work. Let me say it again. Rebbi Shimon omer who shuru b'shchita it says, "Oh, I have a raya." Cuz it says in the mishna, "Shchita gives it the susceptibility to tumah. My lav, b'shchita v'lo b'dam?" All the chiyuv meant only shchita not the blood. No, that's not a good raya. Loy af b'shchita. I'm still trying to prove whether Rebbi Shimon holds the blood has the sus- has the ability to make something much shul l'kabel tumah. Toshma. Omer Rebbi Shimon, "V'chi adam achsheir? Alo shchita achsheir?" He says m'foresh, "It's not the blood, it's the shchita." No, it's not a good raya. Halacha k'Rebbi Meir and perhaps I could push it off and say, "V'chi dam bilvad achsheir? Is it only the blood that's one of the seven mashkin? Af shchita machsheir. Af shchita nami machsheir." Shchita is also something that nami machsheir. Toshma. Rebbi Shimon omer dam ameisah nami machsheir. So, I want to show you real quickly. Check this out. There are four types of blood. We did it very very nicely with ketchup. Instead of, you know, instead of blood, ketchup. On the right, dam chalal, very important. A guy You shoot an animal and it bleeds after it dies, that's not shchita. It's from an arrow to the head. It's a different type of blood. This blood, second to the right, dam ago fasoi, blood that comes from an injury. He's still alive, but he's injured, he's bleeding. There's blood from a dead animal that died naturally, and then there's blood from the shchita. Three different things. Oh, toss my and dam amaze. Is that we're holding dam amaze? This is a animal that died. It's one of the four types of blood we saw. Animal dies naturally, no shchita, no bullet to the head. Dies naturally and it's bleeding. Or it has blood. Any master, that blood is not good enough for most of the capital tuma. Oh, here it is on this on thing. My love, you could you could infer from this but I don't shchita master. If it's a shchita blood, it is master. Lie. Adam halala master. No, you're right, it's a very good deal, but you don't go to the one all the way to the left, go to the one all the way to the right. It's coming to infer from this that if it the blood comes out of a wound that caused it to die, not a shchita, then that's master the capital tuma. But shchita, the one all the way to the left, is doesn't have the ability to be master the capital tuma. So what? I would have shchita my so what are you going to tell me the what? Learn master. It doesn't have the ability. This is meaning dam shchita of a kosher dam amaze. So then say the bigger and say that shchita blood is not real blood. It doesn't have the ability to be master the capital tuma. And certainly blood that comes from a dead animal. No, dam amaze is shchita lay so good dam I need to say the blood of a dead animal. Malikatli E.U. Malikatli Malchamovis. What's the difference how it died, whether a person killed it or it died on its own. Come ashvalon, there is a difference. If you kill an animal, then the blood is master the capital tuma. If the Malchamovis kills the animal, it doesn't have the ability. Where where do you want to stop over here? We'll stop over here, fine. Rabbi we'll stop over here. Rabbi say have a wonderful day. >> Merit the host of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shear today. Mdy sponsor.com or sponsor [music] at mdy.dab.com.