CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 29 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Morning boys. We have a very exciting D. Today we're going to be learning about a lot of different sugis today is if something is exactly 50% do we can count it as a roy or not? Exactly 50%. And then gar the gar takes that back and says only by carbon pes we have something similar to that also in the mishna we mentioned the concept of ro that has to be the majority of one of the sim 51% but it says it twice why does it say it twice and the gmor goes on a very lengthy discussion we know why it says it twice one is one is kachim but that the first one is kulen the second one is kachim a whole long discussion and finally we have a very interesting suga about when you do, do we consider the entire process part of the every cut of the knife or it's the final cut? Giving you the heads up. So, we're going to start this and the Gar regrets it right away. I mean, it takes a couple minutes, but the is going to take it back cuz you're going to be shocked when you hear like 10 lines in the shack a bomb. If you 50% of the ka or 50% of the vet by a bird, that's enough. 50% is like we c we'll count it we'll consider it the majority good a bunch of questions on that this makes more sense to us no the if the says 50 so it's what do you mean 50% you need 51% so will explain this he didn't tell told him how much you should check. He told him how much he shouldn't leave. Do not leave 51% unchecked. Meaning if you 50% that's okay. You should check 51%. So here's a the obvious question from the mission yesterday. It says that a half a simmon by a bird is possible. One and a half simmon by a beah possible. Why? You need roy of each sim. You need a R of the it says but according to Rav that says 50% is like 51%. Why is it possible? Why does M say 50% is counted as 51%. That's exactly what Rav says. 50 50 is like 51%. Says no R. We could answer this. It's not you. We're trying to put him in a corner and force him into a checkmate. No, it's not a checkmate. I I could get my way out of this. I could say the Mishna means that 50% is ushered to like that. If it's take takes away all the tum of the NA and came and said it's not it's don't eat it, but it's not. But if it's literally not a good like we would hold that it's only 50% then it doesn't remove the tomb at all. Why is it why do say don't do it cuz how could you be so exact 50% maybe you won't even get to maybe did 49%. So they said stay away from 50 do 51%. Okay, another another uh try at knocking this. Oh, so this is how by let's say you have a piece of where you have an oven. How do you how do you take away the tuma from an oven? >> The only way to do is break it. And the only type of break is if the break is less than half. Because if the break if you have a large piece that's 50% or more then it's considered an oven. You can make you could you could maybe bake something in that oven. What happens if a guy breaks it and there's two pieces 50/50? Exactly 50%. So says it's impossible. That's exactly what the Gumar says. And what if it is possible? What if it is? You're a lawyer. What if it is possible? What if I have a CNC machine that cuts exactly exactly? What if you broke a warp piece and it's exactly 50/50? Did you remove the tomb or not? It's impossible. A lot of times says the shita it's impossible to do something 50/50. It's always going to be 49.99999 and the other one is going to be 50. It doesn't but you're never going to get it exact. And that's why we can't consider either one of them less than less than a half. But let's say you have a tolerance machine of a million 10 million per per for what ppm it's mashma it would be to my but according to rav 50% on that equals 50% on the rav equals 51%. So each piece when you look at each piece okay it's exactly exactly 50% exactly 50% it's 51% and therefore they shouldn't be tar is a beautiful here it's impossible to view each half as 51%. Cuz that's a contradiction. You can't have two halves that are 51% cuz that equals 102% and that's impossible. When you have two contradictory things in front of you, you can't say, "Oh, they both equal 51%." So when it comes to one, you can't say that. Where could you say it in? In where the Torah says the half, I don't care about the other half. The other half is not. If I'm going to view both halves of this pipe, half is cut and half is not, then you have a problem. This is 51% and this half is 51%. So you have 102% of a pipe. But the Torah doesn't say, "Look at this left part. this the half that I'm not shing the says only look at the half that I'm shafting says rash I focus on one half and that one half is 50% and it's considered 51% according to rav again rav the gar wants to say that rav holds that when it comes to if a person 50% it's good enough it's as if he did 51% the literally it's as if he has arrived oh so let's do this pet because I think it's very important that remembers this I saw yesterday struggled in both shim even though I was promised by that everybody's going to know it because he he made a whole big deal out of it that what if a person she's the breathing pipe the trachea hecks 49% of it goes home takes a six-hour nap and all sorts of but that's not the point and he wakes up from his nap and he continues sheing and he goes through the trachea completely and he goes into the into the veh also. Is it a good or not good? Is it a kosher or a tra? >> Yes. >> What if he did 50%. If he did 50%. And he went to sleep. So the the the question is on 50% according to Rav what you're telling me according to Rav 50% equals 51%. So if she's 50% he just made a traa. He just did 51% and he went to sleep. What is that called? >> Shah after he started a realita because he did 51%. If he did less than 51%. So he nicked he made a hole in the in in the animals trachea. It's not it's not the end of the world. The animal could live. It's not a tra. But if he did 51% and then he went to sleep that's called shah and that should be tra yet we say the last words on base did 50% of the breathing pipe of the trachea and he waited around for 2 minutes or he took a 6-hour nap whichever one but he paused And then he and then he later on he finished it up. But if you tell me 50% is considered 51%. As soon as he did that he he made a tra you think we're talking about an animal here. So he says very simple a bird all you have to is one simmon if you only 50% you decide what you want to call it if you think 50% is enough like rav like the rav great so he could take a nap now why can't he take a nap already this bird it's alreadyed and if 50% is only 50% it's not 51% he didn't do anything. We're not talking about a behavior. We're talking about a bird which only needs one. Okay. So again, one more try to knock this rav out that what says it's a good thing. The 5050% is considered 51%. It's a good you started doing you notice that his trachea is already severed by 50%. of and all you did you took a knife and you checked it 1%. Now you have a trachea that 51% but according to your ra that 50% is considered 51% you started off with an animal that has a trachea 51%. No, maybe I could say that when it comes to the toa, I need to be able to see with my own eyes. Is one thing 50% is considered 51%. But when I when I look at a traa, I need to see with my own eyes. I don't have to use a magnifying glass to see whether or not I did a if there's a traer. I need to be able to see with my eyes. What you're saying doesn't make sense. I have a simple according to you. pray for the mushroom. We have situations like this. Remember everybody when it comes to the esophagus, the veset, the eating pipe over there, you don't need a ro of anything. One tiny hole makes a trafe. So when it comes to traa, a small pin hole could also make it tra. But when it comes to the breathing tube that you need all of a sudden when you need 51% all of a sudden you need to be able to see it. So I'm going to tell you but that to begin with a pinnol never works. You always need a so certainly it doesn't make sense. Your your logic doesn't doesn't work here. If in a place where a tra could be even yet when a certain tra you need a you need to be able to see the so something that always needs a re like always needs 51%. So certainly you should have to see with your own eyes. So now the says you're right. This whole let's toss away not toss away this it never happened. There's no such thing that 50% is considered 51%. Nobody holds that. There's one place in the Tory that 50% is like a it's not a we'll consider it like a what's that place it's this week's parish how does have become half so the says the ni died and people went to today we can understand it let's say rabad was lifter so all the fire go to half of kaira go So they're all talking half stay at home. I happen to go I think there's a lot of Ashkanaz and they were just saying I don't know exactly how it happens 50/50. Well it's exactly 50/50. Now what's what's the and it's interesting because it's not it wasn't it wasn't given right away to it's after complained he said what should we do if we're says dash these words. So not in not when everybody brings carbon pes but in a month later treat it you get your own begged for it when you beg for something so changed item said okay fine I'll give you something called now this is the famous which was said about what does that mean that if if 51% to then you could brings the carbon pum they could go to the the m to so what happens if it's 50/50 we said you need a ro on this comes ra and says 50% is enough to bring a carbon pes when when when that when that when that 50% is tmic we'll treat treat it like a but not says no you need 51%. And what's not that I view 50% as 51%. of my time at the say twice is 50% is considered a not so much a as a it's not a it's a and when you have it then you do it then they can do so if you have 50/50 let's go back just for a second just to finish that off 50/50 the 50% that's they should the 50% that's says that I don't treat the 50% as it so what happens they have to wait till the next month that whole 50% I have to wait a whole month all right simpler over here check out this Mishna it might be looking confusing but it's not I just took the Mishna I put it over here in the Mishna all you need to see is the red words it says in the beginning of 51% of one sim is like the whole thing all you need is the famous so then why in the world does it repeat itself in the saf and say all you need is a it says the idea of two times in the mish the garamar is going to say that the first part the ra is talking about regular animals that you at home you in a place is considered the whole thing. The bottom part is talking about the B mikdash. I would think that the B mikdash is different than okay and then we have a long maybe five different am that come along and say I could prove to you that the ra is talking about and the s is talking about and not reverse. Very important to the gum to figure that out. Think about it. Are you able to figure it out? It's it's like a riddle. Which part is talking about which part is talking about? That's the trick over here. So let's see inside the we already does it say when I already said in the ratio the same thing says these are the names. So I guess there's six the reason is because the ra or the one of them is and one of them is a simple which is the does the reverse of the same you know when you just we know that in the main part of that you is the number one thing of kapara. I need a lot of blood. I need blood. So therefore, I have to do sorry when it comes to I don't need it's enough to have a I don't need more because I don't need blood. But when it comes to I need the blood. Notice the Gar says it's enough maybe maybe I need 100%. And now the Gar is going to do it slightly different. Now we're doing 51%. I need 51%. Why? Because I need the blood. I'm going from 51% to 50. Before I went from 51% to to 100%. And now I'm saying I'm starting from a lower point. I'm saying maybe you need a 51% but maybe I don't even need a why because I don't need the blood maybe 50% is enough that's why I need two parts of the one is one is now the says you think okay so what's the difference makes a whole big to-d do out of this which one is which one is beautiful Take a look. Look what it says. The first words a bird you don't a bird you do to ah >> it's >> if it's but if it's not it makes a lot of sense. So is referring to not outside of no. So, but let's look at the it doesn't say it doesn't say anything about Malik in the soar addresses that sorry let me go back so you're saying okay so says the word instead uh look it says look at the I just highlighted the word at the bottom and the same it says then it says the is going on the word but you can't say that in the ra cuz the word bird goes on the Okay, that's the first word in the over there. It's a bigger question. Why it doesn't say? Okay, that's one. Now we go to the next. How do I know that the racial is talking about the same it says now we know there's two birds that doesn't work with you tell me this the end is says all in the safe it says also says, "No, my that's not a the one it says means every single one of the you should check the but in the you can't say that. It says it's not talking about the over there. It's talking about one. You're right. It should really say if you want to be proper, it should have said a little better." But I couldn't say that. Why? But there's two types of birds and one bird is called and is all you have to do is therefore it doesn't work I'll prove to you that the says you have to the jugular you say you don't have to if we're just talking about mundane regular like in nowadays you don't have to sh the you don't have to cut the jugular Great. cut him like it doesn't make any sense shouldn't argue that they should say yes you have to cut the jugular why the whole idea is to get more blood so why not cut the jugular I want to show you a video tell me what you hold if you didn't see this uh gar yesterday if you didn't see this at all you can answer I want to know if what this guy is about to do is it good or not >> oh my god Kosher or not kosher at >> not kosher. >> Not kosher. Here's the person that was at the shear last night. Then he said the wrong answer. Okay, good. I like that. >> Not kosher. The answer is >> hello. >> No, this one. In order to know this one, you have to see the gimar. It's kosher. outside. It's not kosher in the mikdash. You cannot check two together, but you could check 25 beams. It's a great new system. They should line them all up and will come with a very long knife one. It's all great. I'll prove to you that the is talking about now in order to understand the well you just need to see this chart and everything makes sense I just added to the right below the this idea this video that we just saw is the Mishna in one from now in other words it's a continuation in our gar it's two sepn it happens to be one Mishna Now it says over there that in the B mikdash you can't sh two heads in one shot. So it must be it's a continuation of the saf is talking about the b mikdash and and the says oh and if you two animals and watch out it's no good. But if the safe is talking about in your backyard then the wouldn't continue and say oh two animals because you're two animals with one knife in your backyard says it says two heads but it's only after the fact you shouldn't do it if the Purple is talking about now I go to yellow and I continue with number one don't have two holding on to one knife one person you it's really a combination of two words because he holds we go by the way it's written so it's Okay. But if the is actually talking about then the continuation doesn't work well because now all of a sudden you have a continuation that's not accurate. It says it's only it works even in the first place. Okay. And finally, finally one more. One more to prove that the is and the safe is talking about. Nobody argues. Everybody agrees that the school is even here. Let's just go back here in this thing. He says it says he just repeats the question. So why say why does the mission repeat itself twice? They bring him to I love this lion. It's like a new lion to us. It's a lion of Yuma comes another another steps in and finishes it off. Why does another kind step in and finish it off? because the congodal needs to do. So he starts the drops the knife or passes it on to someone grabs the blood and another guy finishes off the I would think and he did he did so it's enough what if the it seems like you need another kind to finish off the job that's why I have the second that's why let's go to the easier one hold on it's easier to see it over here that's why I have the safer that says to tell me that it's enough for the do even That's enough. I don't need the second guy to do to finish off the job. It should be possible if you don't do it. I don't need the second person. So why in the world is he there? Wait a minute. But now you have someone else performing. The has to perform all the Nobody could step in here. Maybe there's a little bit of absolute. Why? Because he didn't cause all the blood to come out or whatever. That's why I need the mission to tell me that he didn't do anything at all. Nothing wrong with what the go and letting somebody else finish. But since there's no nothing, so then why in the world do I need another kind to finish off the job? In order to get all the blood out, I make sure I get another K in there to do it. But there's no no nothing. Here's the here's a question. Think about this question for a second. Somebody started shing a sheep outside the B mikdash outside in he starts the process starts cutting and he finishes as he walks in the B. He's in the B. He finishes. Where did he this animal? No. What do you say, Gary? >> It's considered at the end. Why? >> So that's exactly the question. Does the start and end? And it's one longita. It's all a process and therefore it comes out and or no, we go by the last last second. The last slice last happened in in a good place. So I don't care where you started it. So we have he says in the name of we had a when does the when you pay rent is it at the end does it work the whole all throughout different child in it's the same idea he says no is only at the tail end of the at the tail end of the No, the entire process is part of the and the explain is if number one performed everybody agrees that the did the second this is possible why the he performed a he cut the trachea and he made it he he rendered it traer right away by the time the Jew got there it was already because the is not valid here's the red line is the red line you perform all that below this red line performed above the red line another difference between and is that we mentioned before you only have to do malik one simmona too. So what if he did he was trying to do Malika on a bird and he did one simmon below the red line which is in the wrong place but it's actually the place of the soar says and you're trying to say that it's one long process but in this case everybody's going to agree it's no good did one to one sim below the red line It's as if you below the red line. So where is it over here? If heed one sim outside and one inside the mdash since holds that starts all the way in the beginning and ends all the way at the end. So it comes out that one outside for outside but according to it's only the end part and the end part was inside the master didn't say that what you just said who's the master didn't say what you just said do the same exact If you one sim of a below the red line and one above the red line, you told me that it's 100% as if the is below the red line. So if you check one sim outside mikdash with a bird and one sim inside mikdash. So it's the outside. So by you able to by you're able to differentiate and say oh the first is considered and you did it below the red line. Oh, so the first sim is considered. So that's outside. Oh, so what's the and where where do we have a differentiation between? Oh, we have a video that if a person and then he got somehow into the real quickly. Here we have it. He started at the then he brings this nonmoving sheep all the way to a mdash and he's able to skateboard up the stairs and then he does the rest. Oh, that in this case, this particular case that's he started outside of and he finished it inside according to where did the start in the beginning of a skateboard ride and therefore it's outside and cars for that but according to the name of Sabah what is his name. It's only the end part. So the so he did great. He brought this animal half into the sheh did the rest. He's not anything. Oh, it's because we're going through different of and learning these mum over and over. And today we're going to add a little bit when you listen to this and this is that we never spoke about we barely spoke with a paradum is to make people tar people that are they went to the only way for them to become tar and that's why we have a problem today with we don't have you take the parad you burn it you take the ashes you mix it with water you sprinkle it on the person two times and it becomes tar there's a a very fascinating if a is shingling a paradum and while he's shuffling paradum he text messages his wife the paradum is apostle you have to go pay another $4 million and buy another paradum if you do anything while you're doing performing the paraduma no good now I also have to show you this because going to say haha and usually hzah by paraduma means sprinkling of the water in this case it's not the sprinkling of the water it's the sprinkling of the blood one of the processes in the paraduma is the kind of take blood and throw it, sprinkle it towards the bid. Here we go. It's a This is an addition for today. They see a paradum beautiful red. Today they the the for there's no paradumas left anymore in the world. They all grew black hair, whatever. No more. They bring up these children that never see tum in their life and they put them on doors so they don't extend their hands beyond the door. He does grabs the blood and he tosses it towards the B mikdash. That's what when the Gar now is going to say it means this. Now while he's doing this he does something else. He checks his phone. He slices a watermelon. It doesn't matter what. Then he washes his finger on the part of the fine. Whatever he does, he passes. In other words, the entire process of the paradma from the beginning from the all the way to throwing the blood to burning the whole thing, you could ruin the paradum. We all know, we learned in that the paradum has a di what is it called? >> Dimetrically. Yeah. Okay. Whatever the fancy word is. >> On the one on the one hand, it makes people that are A paradox. Oh, paradox. It's a paradox. >> The cayenne who sprinkles the water on the person who's he becomes. The person that's becomes the person that's becomes. So very simple. Anybody involved in the so their their clothing becomes you have to literally take you ever heard of such a thing you take your clothing and put it in a mikvah dunk it in a mikvah to make it tar they obviously also have to go in the mikvah they have to become the rashi brings the gourd so we're doing gourd there's a restaurant in Chicago that has crazy amount the gourds. So as he'sing he also cuts a gourd. No good. So if the happened whileing we just showed what is what's he did another whileing? Let's think about it for a second. Was this paradum a real at any point of its life? No. Why? Because you messed up on the first second of paradum when you did it, you messed up. So does the performing the in this paradum does it become? No. Why? Because there's never but you take it to the next step. We saw in the video when when does a come five minutes later after you grab the blood then you take the blood and you sprinkle it. So there was a parad for 5 minutes. It just what just the guy who sprinkled it. He cut a watermelon while he was sprinkling it. So he ruined it at that point. So anybody that dealt with this until that point became just ask a simple thing. Why don't we talk about let's say a guy was doing for five minutes back and forth or he paused it whatever he went on a skateboard a whole. So you have the person who's because he was doing on a paradum. You have a person who's doing a paradum in minute number five who's not to because that's when he messed up. That's when he cut a gourd. She's not coming in the itself according to it's a very long process and the whole thing is considered aita. So let's let's split the there's a person who becomes from a from a in theita and there's a person who's not in the what's the obvious answer to that that once you mess up at minute number five then minute number one never happened it's one you messed up the whole was messed up this part of the room was never so let's see inside there should be if there was he cut a watermelon while so depends let's let's distinguish between before the watermelon after the watermelon anybody that dealt with the before the watermelon comes but after the watermelon and we're going to finish off with this is he talking about that's no When a person performs a like that at the end that becomes possible chopped the watermelon then the entire wasn't good. There's no two parts of that. It's one no good have a wonderful day a good shabas shabas at 102. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor atmop.com.