CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 24 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning. Welcome. Welcome to all the guests. the same questions and answers. Two things that are similar but very different. We have something called a paradum paradum. We don't want to show the whole thing because that would be violent. You a paradum here. Let me show you. There's a closeup even. Okay. Okay. So the paradum is when somebody becomes in the time of the B mikdash people were tummy. We're still tummy today. That's why we're all we don't have paradum. You go to the mikvah 100 times. If you don't have a paradum you cannot become if a person's tummy went to la or whatever you cannot become unless he gets sprinkled by the paraduma ashes. Eglarfa the famous they found a dead person. Sure. I can't. Is this violent? So this is also violent because they're shutting down our AI department the people from the from the basin they come they they measure and then the city that's closest to the dead person has to bring a calf. We're not going to show the actual thing, but it's gonna be very clear. He's getting eat now. One shita says there's water. Another cheetah says that was very very dry. >> Okay. So the difference between the two is obvious. One you chop the animal's head from the neck from the ur from the nape from the back of the neck and what is a regular parad gets regular. So if you do the of a par on it's ple and if you do the chopping of the neck of the on a paradum it's possible. Each one has their way of of killing the animal. So once again we have to explain the Mishna when you that's the way it's kosher by the which is the chopping is for but if you do it's comes out doesn't work Eggla chopping with what is it called that big >> the cleaver >> cutting with the cleaver is possible but part of doing that with a paradum would be possible as the same question that we ask in all the and we continue to ask the same kind of question simple kind of why don't we say that you could use a cleaver on doesn't work and we'll prove that soon. Does not work. But the cleaver from the back of the neck works. So certainly chopping of the neck should work by a paradum. Tyus points out that this question could be posed on all maybe you should be able to chop the back of the neck but are very similar in different ways says. So we we we stick to that. So the gumar's initial answer is the is going to go away from this. We know that you don't ask questions. It's exactly as is only and not a cleaver. Why? Because it says the word on top. So every time it says the word, you can't you can't say we had a nice very simple that a cleaver should work on a parad. But you see, no, the word tells us don't mess around. It's exactly as is. It says and you see you could say but for another reason you don't say there's no today famous two goats that we have in kipper there's only one way to to decide which one is lashem and which one is and that's with a do a little raffle and that's it whatever the raffle decides what if the ken the says I want this one to be the one it looks nice let's bring this to Hashem let's throw this one off the the cliff it doesn't work going to go through the whole thing No stick of violence. Everything has a stick of violence. And we had a lot of violence, but then we got an email and we changed it all. >> Is it okay? in a place. So it's interesting this week's par you can't answer you you you but the rest of you that don't know that if you don't know the answer you can answer in this week's par that we just laned where do we have a situation with the person brought two birds paras doesn't So brings a the brings two birds. Who decides which one of the birds is the which one is the owner or the kayen? Later on the owner when he purchases it or the kite all these people that bring birds. You can't do a raffle. You can't oh I'm going to do a raffle. Whatever comes out on a on a piece of wood doesn't work. You have to say so where the raffle works. So certainly the raffle should work and not the raffle the the words of the person should work. The client should be able to decide why don't I say that the teaches me that only so says very good I need two words otherwise I would have what happened to the fact that Tes that says you're right. It has nothing to do with the word. It has to do with the word. Okay. We are being from the word only only one thing has a cleaver by the back of the neck and that's and nothing else. And now the Gar just does the reverse the simplest. How come you cannot? Why do you have to use a cleaver? We already established you can't use a cleaver. You have to do so. He could use a cleaver. It's more certainly he could use a regular knife and perform just to remind why not brush up on it. And when it comes to anytime it says something twice, so it says it says that's a double that's only and not only with a cleaver, not with a knife. So his main job is to to do that of the he also watches the the uh the bdash. He watches but he watches the b mikdash from the inside. What's the ley's job? What's the ley's job? >> Singing and closing the gates. >> Singing more than singing also using the the instruments. >> Security was in charge of security. >> Security on the outside of the English from the outside and one more thing. One more thing. >> What took him a long time to learn also the well I guess the singing but in the Mishkan in the midbar they used to take apart the caim and then move all the caim. So we're going to see something super interesting for me was super depressing actually a very short period of time that they could do that only 20 years from the age of 30 to 50 is considered too old 30 you need 30 because in the NBA I guess you have to learn but over here you have to learn it takes five years just to learn so you can only start at 30. So it's there's no age limit on really. You start at mitzvah but go until we'll see until you become really old. Years are not the big thing when it comes to but years are huge. The only thing that we care about what do we care about in what broken leg and this that no good by a ley it's not a big deal. So the same kind of thing that we had before by by all the difference between a duma and and an elarfa and the the difference between a dove and bina etc etc. And now we have the explains us the iss but if he has age he's and when it comes to if he has a he's when he he's between 30 and 50 any below 30 or above 50 is possible. So comes out whatever is possible. We know this is something that had this week's par coming up. The Torah tells us that in this this week's parachute that after 50 years that's it. you're done. You see that there's a limit. I would say maybe a should also pass. I have a simple like we had in other that don't have a age limit but there's a age limit certainly only has the age limit and not the the so let's do the reverse maybe should have age limit the doesn't affect him but the years his age limit does affect him so that we don't let him do that if he has certainly we shouldn't do shouldn't let him do that if he's over 50 or under basically Kane. Oh, so in the midbar when you had to carry stuff, you had to be in top form. So there was a limit, you couldn't be too old, too young. But perhaps in B in Shilo when they're not carrying anything, what's Bim the mikdash that's that? Yeah. There's no there's nothing nothing uh nothing heavy there that they had to carry. Here these are the four words when are they possible completely even for singing and playing instruments when they had to carry stuff that was heavy. So they had a limit on that. So we're going to take that same limit and say okay they're locked in from 30 to 50 and that's it even for singing. But when you don't have you don't have the carrying the sleing then you don't have that limit we have a contradiction in one says that the lady should be 25 years old should be 30 what do we do with this contradiction okay he starts studying his when he's It takes him five years from 25 to 30 to understand what he needs to do. If a person learns and he forgets, he's not going to see. Try for five years. If it doesn't work, try something else. It's not five years, it's three years. So took these Jewish children and he said we got to I need these Jewish children here in my castle. We're going to teach them. It's going to take three years to teach them a language. So over here it says all it takes three years. So how come the other says five years? Okay, no big deal. To learn is easy. Three years a regular to learn how to be you need five years. So how how come he says three years when it seems like there's five years between and to learn a language three years to learn a five years to be a to start doing that you have to be 13 until you're Obviously, no good needs to be at least 30 until 50. That's it. There's a 20-year period. Years pass. It's only how guy sings off tune. I wasn't sure if means that everybody's singing together and they have this one guy that's he's off tune or with the harmony. It doesn't fit in with the harmony. I don't know. Okay. How old is a what's his limit? says remember the name when he starts shaking shaking is is a person saw Kerry so he goes to the mikvah that night he becomes tar but the problem is he didn't go to the bathroom he didn't urinate the we're concerned that maybe a little bit of Kerry remained in his body and when he goes to the bathroom it comes out and when it comes out it becomes tommy That only applies to somebody who's sick or an older person, a young person, a healthy person. We're not concerned at So what does it mean? What what does yell mean? Usually yell at a child the same if he could stand on one foot. I remember doing this once in standing on the table. I'm not going to attempt today. And he can remove his shoe and he could put on a shoe as he's standing on one foot. He was 80 years old. Would stand on one foot. The hot water, the oil that my mother rubbed on my body when I was a little baby. basic a lot of people want to say means the warmth of my mother things she that slipped she let things slip away she didn't she wasn't on the words okay person who has a beard so he could be what does mean he could he could do says he could blow You could put people need you could do malus. He could be of it doesn't mean what we call because that's the next word and he could be for the Oh, so this is problematic for us. He could do when when he has a full beard. So here we go. even a young kid could do says at the end a child can only do it together with adults but you can't go up there but we see that kids 13 14 year olds do it by themselves I don't know how that works exactly this seems like you need a beard when does a become he should be at least 20 for forbi where did he get it from it says in the 20 so is going to say at the end means but it says from 20 years old means a difficult need a 20-year-old said what are you bring from a puzzle that says we're talking has to be 20 24 different places to call it's in fact let's see the whole because it's important an adult has a blemish it's only that adult has a blemish he shouldn't do but without a blemish if he's doesn't he's complete doesn't have a mo he's ple but the other don't allow him he could technically start when he's 13 but the other won't allow him until he's 20 this is literally on There's no are the ones that hold it's okay. All right. So, we continue with this thing. There's a very very interesting when it comes to earnware if you take a dead mouse a what does a shar have when it comes to tum if something touches another thing it drops one level. So that touches something that thing will become a if a touches something that becomes a shi and etc become shy touches something becomes aishi a dead rat mouse is ahat if aat touches the outside of a earthn wear let's say we have a oven made out of earthn wear and it touches the outside it does not become tom at all zero the it touches nothing. If that same mouse touches a metal vessel, it becomes tame right away. But there's a tremendous when it comes to wear that if you put a dead mouse inside the ear space of earthenware, it becomes to right away. So if you take a navat to mouse and you put it, it doesn't touch it. Just goes in the airspace. It dangles in the airspace. must be in the airspace not above in the airspace inside a cup inside oven then that earn them where becomes what it drops one level down to become a reish so all the food inside that oven will become a >> sheny because the actual later on it'll become a sheni so let's see how it works The bread that touched the actual oven becomes a shady. The shady touches something else becomes a okay. So that's what the Mishna says. When you touch the dead mouse the outside of the earn it's that same thing would make another if you put a dead mouse in the ear of a regular metal cle it would remain that makes it now we have the very consistent we have the explains the the ear of is The outside is there's no such thing as making the ear of a so it remains but if you touch the with it becomes there's a difference between a regular how do I know this it says in the here's the it actually says twice We're going to see what those two words mean. Even if it didn't touch, it's with inside inside the cle the ear of the cle. It doesn't have to touch. Maybe it means it touched. Let me ask you a question. Let's say you take a mouse and you touch the in the bottom of the inside of the cle on a you touch the bottom of the inside of the tummy or not to Why? >> Huh? >> Yeah, but doesn't become tommy by touching only becomes from the airspace. >> The only the only way to get to the bottom of the inside is by going through the airspace. So, you already made it to Okay, good. It was a trick question. So in Hebrew means to make something else to make the food inside the oven to the the oven itself to become the itself and it says just like the first is referring to the food it makes the other food even though it didn't touch So to the oven itself becomes without touching. So check this out. Let me just preface this for a second here. If these two these are two apples touching mish touching each other and a dead mouse this is a dead mouse touches this this one right over here this is avatuma touches this apple so this becomes a reish what did this become right over here >> why not a reshine the mouse touch this and they're touching each other why not because that's how it works they're separate entities so even though they're touching so this becomes a reish this becomes a sheni and and what does this third one become aishi. So if I have tiny little uh mustard seeds, I have mustard seeds that fill up an entire cle. So let there's two ways this could happen. I have an empty cle and I put a mouse in the top. The mouse is avatuma. The clea becomes a reish. I fill it up now with mustard seeds. The outer layer of mustard seeds all become sheni. The second layer inside become aishi. The third layer ravi etc etc. By the time I get to the center that's it I'm done. I can only go a certain amount maybe to kamishi maybe but everything in the middle should become tar. But if my cleat is full of mustard seeds and I take a mouse and I go like this in the inside the entire thing becomes tame. Let me show you what I mean. >> Only by paradum here. Here we go. Here we go. >> It I'm saying maximum. I'm I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. I'm going for kachum all the way. >> Hold on. Hold on. The cle just became a reshine. And then look what happens. The cle itself the t that that became tummy through the mouth is a reish all the way in the bottom. The first layer is a sheni second layer is aishi third layer and that's it then the the whole inside becomes t but if the same if that remains as is and I put the mouse now now I put the mouse on the top then the entire thing is going to become to that's what the says that they all become to the dead mouse rais have a wonderful Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. 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