CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 22 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> I go the antevra BOYS SIDE. >> [screaming and groaning] >> ALL WE NEED is David and we're good to go. We don't need 100 people there. Yesterday we discussed the word kamishpat again. So, let's take it back one step. If a person brings two birds and oil and birds, why would he bring those two birds? Because he cannot afford a carbon, can't afford an animal. So, he brings two birds. The Torah talks about chotas. Then when the Torah talks about oil, it says do the oil kamishpat like the rules of the first one. Logically, you and I would read the possuk like the first one mean not this oil like right before the oil which is the chotas bird. But no, we have we see the Torah says no, we're going to learn from chotas bahema. I apologize how it's I just threw it in like this. It's a little bit all the same color and okay. Torah says chotas bahema. That kamishpat means I go back to something else not even in the possuk. I'm going to learn from the mishpatim from the rules of the chotas bahema. What do I learn from it? Very simple. That you have to shecht an oil chotas this bird that we're talking about has to be during the day and with your right hand. Simple halacha. Rebbe Shimon says another simple halacha. But he says kamishpat means no, no, let's do what makes the most sense. I'm going to learn this oil bird from the chotas bird. And what So, what do I learn from a chotas bird? Where do you do melika? I do melika not on the head, but mul oref. Across where you could see it. Okay. The I just want to I pointed out now so I don't have to point it out. I will point it out again, but it'll be easier. So, how did the other two learn this halacha that has to be mul oref? Rebbe Shimon learns it from the word kamishpat. How did the other two learn it? So, that's the gemara. Now we're holding on the final one. Rebbe Elazar ben Shimon, what does he learn? From Shimon ben Yochai's son. First of all, kimishpat is referring to the most logical way that I'm going to learn from the bird, the chazal's bird, just like Rebbe Shimon learned. I'm not jumping to some other carbon behema. We're talking about a bird in the pasuk. The silus should be kimishpat. Like what? Kimishpat like what we just said two words ago in the same pasuk. So he says the same exact thing as Rebbe Shimon, but the outcome is different. Rebbe Shimon learns the placement of the melika, and Rebbe Elazar ben Shimon learns that the head and the body have to be connected to each other. Okay, so let's see that inside. Daf kuf aleph amud beis all the way in the bottom. Rebbe Elazar ben Shimon omer kamishpat kimishpat chazal's oif. Mala halon oichez berosh ubeguf umaza. So it's important to see this. I won't be able to show this tonight. The head, the body's all, obviously, a bird doesn't have that much blood. Don't get excited. Oichez berosh ubeguf umaza. What's a zol? You take a chazal's bird, you do melika, you put your finger right through the neck, and then you have to give it a little squirt out of the mizbeach. If it's a oila tzaif, oila tzaif goes on top of the red line. What else goes on top of the red line stem for fun? A chazal's behema goes on top of the red line. Okay. Avkan o so to an oila oichez berosh ubeguf umaza. Michael Amar What? You have to It's two pieces. Yeah, the chazal's two separate pieces. What's going on here? So but Rebbe Elazar ben Shimon says something different that don't really we're not so familiar with, how do you call that? This is a called let's see if I can find the puzzle here. Yeah, here it is. I didn't show this before. Okay, in the Hebrew. There's a There's a There's a that says you're not allowed to separate the head of a head. So, I think that the oil bird is similar to that. You can't be mad at them. Since this that they they can't be separated you can't do this. They have to be connected. Oh, this is actually Oh, I didn't realize it's a magnet. Who did this for us? Maybe Elvis? Okay, give it a wiggle. I like this. So, So, maybe by your by your oil also you should only cut sever one time. They crave oil. That's different. So, [snorts] it comes out like this. They tell me that oil is different than a head. A head, you're not allowed to sever. But oil uh uh A head is is uh one time. Oil is two times. But it says that you cannot you cannot cut it completely according to them. So, maybe you have something where you're cutting two times, but you're not cutting them completely. All right. You have two simanim, but you're not cutting completely. So, the Gemara says "him achas and after all me the mog victor yesterday we spoke about they have to cut the head completely, you have to sever the head. Mollock victor. That you cut the head of the oiler completely off. The kriva oil only. So, what is he going to do with the Over here the kriva oil tells me that a oiler is different. They have to sever the You have to have to get two simanim, but he already learned they have to cut the whole head off. So, obviously you're getting the two simanim over there. Elavi kriva oil. So, the Gemara is teaching us, and I think it's important because it's it's shvuos and shvuos is matan Torah. We're going into how how to learn psukim. It's a little bit more of a of a drasha this Gemara right here, these next five lines. The Gemara says Elavi I need all these words. Why? Elavi kriva oil. Without the kriva oil I would have mean kamishpat kamishpat chadas oil. Why? Think about it. What does tan kam say? Let's go back to tan kam. Tan kam says that I'm not learning from a bird, I'm learning from a behema. But what's the what's the pashtus? Pashtus I should learn from the bird. I should learn bird from bird. I should learn oiler oil from oil. From a chadas oil. So, I would think with without the word of kriva oil that I'm going to learn the tan kam should learn like Rebbi Shmuel, like Rebbi Elozar Rebbi Shimon. That I'm learning the oiler from a chadas bird, not from a chadas animal. The image of a mollock victor. Then what? So, what am I going to learn from the bird? I'm going to learn that you shouldn't do abdullah. I shouldn't sever the head. Don't sever heads. Learn from an animal. You don't sever the head. I it says umala which is mashma that you do sever head. No. That I could learn something else completely. Oh. Where do I Where do I put that the the the bird at the end of the day? I put the bird over here on top. So if I put the bird on top, maybe the the malika should also be on top. Meaning anything above the red line is on top. So I should be standing over here on this blue sidewalk. This ramp. What do we call it? Sidevev? Stand over here and do malika over there. Which is a true alacha. We're We're going to go with that alacha at the end. But that's what I would say the possible malaka vehicle there comes from. Says Says the word But how is it going to make sense? The what? The that a oil is different than a The I'm separating myself. The only it. It meaning only the oil. So oil is different than a oil. So then the word but is coming to say that That That's what I'm going to learn from the I'm going to learn from the that a that a oil is different than the The So I'm going to learn two things from the The tells me A that you should actually do the malika on top. And B that there's a the alacha that you shouldn't according to them at least you You sever the head. So I'm learning I'm going to look I'm going to learn those two things. Thank you. Talking with Tana Kama Abdullah and that the the the the melika happens on top of the mizbeach. Now, there's three things that we learned in the Gemara before. This is the loshon of the Gemara. Tana Kama I'm going to learn the oil bird from a chata's animal. What am I learning? chullin bayom u'vi od hayumanis. Just like an animal, you can't buy a chata's animal with with with ma'aser sheni money. I have to use my own private money. So, too, um the bird I can't I can't buy it with your own private money. I need to use um I can't buy it with ma'aser sheni money. I have to use my own private money. Also, it has to be done during the day and has to be be done with my right hand. So, we're going to go one by one. Easier halachas here. Says Gemara, short halachas. Chata's bayom din a bar. Thank you. Din a bar olam min a chullin min olam. Me'acha deisa that a a chata's behema could only you could only purchase with your own money. Maybe you could use ma'aser sheni money. I could buy anything with ma'aser sheni money. Any food. So, maybe chata's behema's food. Omar Rav Chisda mikrov ikar varin is par chata's asher lo. Asher lo v'lo min hatzibur. Says Rashi, it says over here asher lo. In this pasuk you can see it over here. It says it twice. Asher lo, asher lo. I'm going to learn two things from it. First of all, you cannot purchase it from the community fund. V'lo min ma'aser. And also, you cannot purchase it from ma'aser sheni money. Bayom I could only shecht the oil bird during the day. As the Gemara, how do I know that? I know that from chata's from the others. That's what I learned from. What's the word? Come here. Yeah. Come here. What's the word? Come here. Come here. Yeah. So. I don't need the word come here to teach me by him. I don't need to learn from the others. I don't need to I learn from this is a general rule that all carbon is in the middle of the must be done during the day. Maybe I am so wise. So you are So if so, if I could really learn this out from the voice of why am I learning out from the others? Then you need to do it during the day. You didn't ask me but you're right. I learned it out from being so wise. So you every single carbon in the world happens during the day. But it just threw it in there. Yeah, it looks part of the list. Let's see the list again. That's the you have to purchase it from money during the day and with your right hand. So the tomorrow. You're the iron man. How do you know your right hand? Most of you would know this answer. You know why? Cuz we learned it in the number times we learned it in the house. The what? The word coin and the word at the bar. So how does it work? >> [clears throat] >> So the tomorrow. What do you tell me you're learning it from a possible? From the others. We know that we know that we went through this. With the you can learn out from the other kind of a similar case. Come on and I cool and I mean. Either or if it says the word means the right hand. If it says the word coin it means the right hand. What else is he going to do? Could it be it's really by a corner? We said it over there. All the times we learned it. The other side says no, you need both. Okay. I need two sweet markers. Yeah, we'll wait for that Sugya. But you need both. You need the word coin and you need the word ezba. And the mail of by oil of doesn't say the word ezba. It only says coin. So I wouldn't know that you need you men. That's why I have to learn it out from hot sauce. Now. We go back to this gishmak a chart. Why I say gishmak is this all here. I pointed out when we learned it. Rebbe Shmuel says what do I learn from hot sauce? The location of malika. Where's the location of malika? Mul ayef down there in the neck. No sauce is done in the camera learning. How does Rebbe learn Shmuel learn it? Rebbe Shmuel is using up the whole word kamishpat. I learn from kamishpat. But kind of come already used it up kamishpat for something else. How do they how are they going to learn this idea? So the gemara with the kind of come with Rebbe learn Shmuel and mul ayef min al lo. Min mul ayef min al lo. Sorry I know this halacha. Gamer you have another one from the gimel also the same idea. Gamer malika min malika. Once I know how you do malika on hot sauce. So I'm going to learn malika in all the Torah. It's called a mem metzina. It's not a real hekesh. It's a mem metzina. What's a mem metzina? Just like I find over here the idea of malika. Is mul ayef. So too anywhere in the Torah where it says the word malika even by oil of it's mul ayef. Gewaldig. From here on out is super easy. There's a good way to remember one of these. There's a There's a pigeon and there's a dove. Okay? There's a tire and there's bene yona. One of them has to be a mature or an adult. Bene yona. Which the whole Torah always says benei Yona. The Torah will never say Yona. So, it means always the How do you say a frog in English? Chick. Chick. Chick. Which is whatever age that is, it's a very small Basically, what I brought to the shear the other day, maybe slightly older. Oh, mishta. Kosher by tair and possible benei Yona. Kosher benei Yona possible by tair. In other words, what's a tair rabbi say? An adult mature dove. So, whatever is kosher by a tair, an adult, is possible benei Yona. It has to be a chick, a benei Yona. That's the We're going to start going with that. It's very easy to remember. Benei Yona is the children of a Yona, the babies. So, you can't bring an adult. Kosher benei Yona. And if it's possible to be a chick, a benei Yona, possible by tair. So, you can't bring it as a dove. What's a dove? Just remind Well, here we have beautiful pictures. First of all, this is a dove. Not this one. This one. But, Yossi did a whole thing tair. Shows you how they I He basically made the sub with AI, a whole thing with AI. It's you know, he he created this chart. I don't know how accurate it is, but it gives you some sort of These are all bad. So, the green is once it hits a certain level of of gold on its wing or on its neck, depending. So, that is already mature and it's 100 days 120 days old. B'chulo. When it comes to the Yona, it's the exact opposite. You don't want to take a really small one cuz that we're going to see soon is a problem. But, it has to be before a certain age, which is interesting. You have to catch them Like, this is the season right now. To hop them and bring them. I don't know what you do like during the year when they're not being born over there. Tair. Bring tair. All right. So, you bring tair, right? You can't bring benei Yona. So, all these pictures are worthless for us. Half the year. Tair rabbonon. Tair gedoilim shair. So, I'm telling you that this is super easy. This Gemara goes just like you're you're going to shake your head. What's going on here? Why why all these words? Tairim Gedolim Ksheirim. If it's a mature dove, it's kosher. Ktanim P'sulim Pasul. Bnei Yona, if they're the chicks, Tairim Ksheirim, they're great. Gedolim P'sulim, but the the the the pigeon adult mature ones are pasul. Nimas Amash Chazar to the Mishna. Kosher B'Tairim Pasul B'nei Yona. Kosher B'nei Yona P'sulim B'nei Tair. Pasul B'Tair. So, if it's kosher for for a pigeon, it's pasul for a dove. Tair Rabanim Tairim. Gedolim V'Like Tanim. Shiyach L'Yedino. I think this is a Kal V'Chomer that is the simplest Kal V'Chomer in Shas. Uma B'nei Yona Sh'Lo Yishchu B'Gedolim Sh'Lo Yishchu B'Tanim. When it comes to the chick of a pigeon, it's not good when it's an adult. It's only good when it's a chick. Tair Sh'Shu Sh'Shu B'Gedolim. Ah, the dove which has a special Milo, you could bring him as an adult, and then Sh'Shu Sh'Shu B'Tanim, so certainly you could bring it as a chick. No. Tair Rabanim Tairim. I'm a meal. Gedolim V'Like Tanim. And now we're going to do the same Kal V'Chomer all over again. The opposite way. B'nei Yona Ktanim V'Like Gedolim. You can only bring the chicks of a Yona. Yesh Yachol L'Yedino. I think this is a Kal V'Chomer. Uma Tairim Sh'Lo Yishchu B'Tanim Sh'Lo Yishchu B'Gedolim. The doves which are pasul when they are chicks, but they're kosher when they're adults, B'nei Gedolim Sh'Shu Sh'Shu B'Tanim and then Sh'Shu Sh'Shu B'Gedolim. So so certainly the pigeons where they're they have a Milo that you could bring them when they're babies, so certainly when they're adults. Tair Rabanim B'nei Yona Ktanim V'Like Gedolim. May Tamud how do you see it from there? Omar Rava L'Elisha Tamid K'Rav. The loshon is interesting. Interesting. L'Elisha Tamid K'Rav. There's never never in the Torah do you see the Torah using the word bene referring to the Torah. Min bene Torah. And never will you see the word Yona come by itself. It's always bene Yona. It's never ever bene Torah. And it's never ever Yona. It's always bene Yona meaning the babies of a Yona. And the adult Torah. Few examples I put together here. Metzora. By Metzora it says. By so it says Torah bene Yona. And bene Yona says Torah bene Yona. And by oil of the Yona it says Torah bene Yona. And by oil of the Yona it says Torah bene Yona. Kids said the entire Torah anytime it mentions birds. Always Torah bene Yona bene Yona the the cause of Rachmana. So you know what let's let's let's make a shora here. Let's make a How do you say shora in English? Compromise. A compromise. Thank you. Let's make a compromise. What is a bene Yona? We have bene means the children their babies great. Rachmana bene Torah means going to my I'm not going to argue on that. But the word Torah maybe that I could argue. At least give me that one. Torah bene maybe maybe I could bring a a small Torah also. Bene Torah bene bene bene bene bene bene bene bene bene bene bene bene bene bene bene. So you know do me the bene Yona. It's mama Shakish. Bene Yona Torah means going to my after Torah means Torah bene Yona. I have a you agree with me that bene Yona means only the babies the chicks. So then you have to agree with me that Torah means only the adults. Torah bene Yona Yona you will call a Torah bene Yona sharing. I would say that all doves and all pigeons or the baby pigeons of of world the chicks are all kosher for a carbon. If I asked you, is that true? You'll You'll know right away. The The Torah says, look at this. Let me just show you. This is our our youngest artist. Let's call him the youngest. [music] Nachman. What's going to be, my little [music] dove? You've been here a whole week and you haven't grown even a little bit. One quick ad and we're back. Is your kid staying short? Gad Lon. 98% of customers report 8 cm of growth per month. Gad Lon. >> [groaning] >> How are you? You sound a little confused. Don't get up. What I learned with the from the word min. It says min min The word min is actually Not every pigeon or dove is available for the mizbe'ah. Prad, the tree should be possible. Like the Mishnah mentioned that when it starts becoming yellow, then you can no longer use it. Oh, here. Right here. Okay. Oops. Shkoyach. You threw it in? Thank you. Min hatoyrim, fine. B'chilsas tziyuv, let's see this picture again. Let's see the toyir. When it's when it starts becoming yellow, no good. Or the bnei yonah starts becoming yellow, it's too old. Says the Gemara, Mei mosai hatoyrim ksheirim? When can a dove become kosher? Mish'shi asheivu, when they become gold. Over here it's zahav means gold. Mei mosai bnei yonah psulim? And when does a a chick become too old? Mish'shi atzivu, when they become yellow. Tony, Yaakov Karchoi, says Yaakov Karchoi, mei mosai bnei yonah ksheirim? When does a a pigeon become kosher? So it's interesting when we had the pigeon here, the little baby uh d- um the chick, two days ago. When was it? Two days ago? So someone in the yeshiva sheet screams out, he goes, "Gross!" My mother like this something like that. It was like, you know, it's a kosher bugger was briah, I don't know. Gross. But Rashi says a loshon here to explain this Gemara. Says Rashi, oh yeah, I forgot to show it. I'll just say it. >> [snorts] >> Says Rashi, "D'vei R' Yishmael, mei mosai bnei yonah ksheirim? D'vei Yishmael noldu, the day they're born, m'usim heim, they are gross." Anyway, Rashi says mos. You don't bring something like that to the Beis Hamikdash. What do you bring? A Something that looks like this, you're going to bring to the Beis Hamikdash? Seriously? This guy right over here? This? This looks normal to you to bring to the Beis Hamikdash? So mamila, that's what the Gemara's asking. So so at what point, yes? Oh, I'll tell you when. Says the Gemara, Who uh sorry? Mish'shi alu. Two ayins over there. Mish'shi alu. What does that mean? Who taught you law? Who am I law? He said this this wording explains it. A freak of you alu dome. When when it the the the chick starts bleeding. Am I somewhere about what does it mean? The he show me got for me nay. When it's wing when it's feather I guess or wing gets pulled out of it was it all my as he old enough that a little blood comes out. So it's a little gross. But this is from our one hour top two artists. Let's call them that. This work is very you can see right away that he's that he's he's no longer a baby now. So he kicks his pacifier backwards. He walks up in the Anyway, [laughter] so we're going to we're going to stop here. I just want to see Raboisai, have a freilichen yom tov, a good yom tov. You should go for coming. We'll see you we should be miskaze kazak kazak and learn stark. Regular time. Merit the scores of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a sheer today. Mdy.sponsor.com or sponsored.mdy.com.