CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 19 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning boys and girls. We're holding on base. Let's see what we have here. >> [clears throat] >> Oops. You see that? >> [cough] >> Let me do it again. The purple line is the middle of the cover. Would mean all the way over here. So it's typically done today is done over here. Over here. This is the middle of the cover. This is the final ring. This is the middle of the cover. This is the Adam's apple right over here. The splits. This is the middle of the cover. It goes downwards. This is the end. Meaning this is the end. Of the cover. So this is the middle of the cover. You can do all the way over here as you see in the chart. Let's do the chart. Let me see. It's not such a clear picture on the screen. Okay. The middle of the cover. This is the middle of the cover. This is the middle of the cover. Too much. You imagine what are you talking about? So he's going to say Let's see. I don't know why this is not working. It's not working. Oh. The middle of the cover. He says you got to move the purple line to the Yeah, what's the called? You know, but what's it called in our sugi over here? No, who does the end? No. Um, let's see. Maybe We have it over here. Oh, yeah. Koiva. It's called he calls it a koiva. Okay, fine. I call ponim, you could see over here the shitas. You have a shlog that says you go all the way to the end of the koiva. Says Rebbe Yochanan, you exaggerated. The Ritva says a beautiful thing here. Rebbe Yochanan and Resh Lakish were brother-in-laws. So, he made a play on words. He says, gisa gisa. You exaggerated my my brother-in-law. Like it's a new way to call your brother-in-law. Gis gas. You're gis gas. Your brother-in-law is gas. Pol gabachite treifa. Okay, this is going to be difficult. I'm going to try. [clears throat] Okay, maybe take do me a favor, take my gemara away for a second. Okay, good. Thank you. This right over here you can see there's a flap that covers this thing. It's a flap. So, I'm going to open it up. I'm looking for the Oh, here it is. Here's the You see these guys? Hold on. Wow. Basically, the are the I have them. Here they are. These two guys, perfect. They look like wheat. These are the you know, so you guys. These this right over here. This guy is a wheat and a wheat. Um, that's what we call the um tonsils No, what what you sing with? tonsils No. vocal cords Here, now you got a beautiful shot of it. tonsils are on the Beautiful, Look at that. These guys, okay, fine. Tomorrow, please. I need a tomorrow to learn. Wow. Thank you so much. Now, the boy side the is at the end of the chiver. Let's see if we see it over here. Yeah, well, there there's somewhat over here. It's in this area by me. It would be in this area. Let's see what we got. Here. You can see over here in this picture. You see the chitem? Those these guys, the the funny-looking shape things. It depends from what area If you look at it from the front like I showed you, it looks one way. If you look at it from the back, it looks another way. Okay. So, he says like this. >> [clears throat] >> If you bump into the to the vocal cords, you already went too far. We have to understand what he means. In Hebrew, I'll give you a muscle in Hebrew it's called pagash. Pagash What does pagash mean? I met him, but doesn't mean I actually touched him. Not really. I bumped into him. You say in English also I bumped into him. So, I bumped into him doesn't mean he physically touched him. He bumped into him or he bumped into him like he ran in front of him. So, that's the question over here. Did he actually touch him? He bumped into him literally? means that you don't have to go all the way over. You don't have to go You didn't touch it. It's still treif. Cuz you got to it. You're in in the wrong area. Paga or naga member the city when you got boy vayamos. Over there obviously that the knife hit him and he died so it actually touched him. Or demo paga it went up to it but didn't touch in the could have seen by you Google by my lucky look him. That the malachim came it doesn't mean they touched him they they they they met him. It my mom published me the Rubble shear the heat they share also a prophet says that if you cut the heat then you cut the vocal cords. But you you leave a little bit of them then it's kosher meaning you didn't go past the vocal cords. You're in the vocal cord area it's kosher. This is who? R' Pappa. So let's let's go back over here. R' Pappa? Yeah. Oh no cuz R' Pappa we had before pog of heat they trade for. So that's R' Pappa. Let me see what it looks like R' Pappa. So over here you could see that he's machmir his his purple line is more to the you know to the to the right. You you want you want you to avoid the heat then completely R' Pappa. And Mar Bar Rav Ash says you can go a little bit a little bit onto the heat then. It my mom made the Rubble shear the heat they share on my arm I made my bar bar Mar you Nuka have a given a cover of here brother of audio was in front of R' Kia. Normally shear the heat they share if you cut the vocal cords the heat they. And at least you you you have some left over towards the head. There's two you have the the cone in the veg are going to the body. You have the the side going to the head. So if you have a little bit going to the head you didn't the the opposite the left is to the head. The left is to the head. Possible everything that says possible is towards the head towards the eyes of the animal. Kosher the the closer to the lungs and whatever that's kosher. As long as you leave a little bit of the vocal cords, the chittah, on either side, so you cut them in half, so to speak, then you're okay. Mazuzah came to our place with Dora. She would eat the chittah. Okay, so another shittah that says that even if you shecht in the chittah, it's okay. Poga the chittah ksheira. Over here it must mean poga means you didn't touch it. You went up to the chittah, it's kosher. Sheer cuz here it says mefuresh sheer b'chittah treifa. If you cut it even one little bit, it's completely treif. So over here we have a shittah that touching cutting the the chittah it's treif. Mishipui koiva is kosher. In other words, ul'mata. So let me see what we have here. You have when you see that that that apex that that guy that where it says koiva, ul'mata, meaning towards the the cona, towards the body, towards the right, from Let's see if I could zoom in on it. From this blue arrow that says koiva, going this direction is okay. That's ul'mata, towards the body, towards the trachea, the things with the rings. Everything from the blue to the thing in the rings is good. V'ainu the sheer b'chittah. And that means that you you from the you could see from the blue the blue arrow where it says koiva, If you shafted over there, you cut into the chiteh through an angle and that's okay because you left some chiteh on the left side of it and you're okay. Rebbe Nachman shipui koiva ul'matah. >> [clears throat] >> So, the shipui is actually even further to the left. Shipui as we see over here. Zog the Gemara V'ha'einer d'shira b'chiteh. Rebbe Nachman shipui koiva ul'matah. Let's just show this, why not? Even this part, even cutting into here is okay. Mishipui koiva. This is This is the shipui. Even cutting over here is okay. Omer Rebbe Chanina bar Rebbe Katina d'Rebbe Nachman k'man d'lo k'Rebbe Yonah v'lo k'Rebbe Yosi b'Rebbe Yehudah. We have a big problem because they hold that the shchita must be done in the basar d'eilah. Thank you. Right over here. Just the basar d'eilah. Which means I spoke to Rebbe Weiss. He said today obviously we shafted right over here. We don't shaft in between. We just shaft. He's like it's impossible to know. He says it's very hard to understand Rashi. All the Rishonim argue with Rashi. He says, "I'll tell you b'metzius that the the thickness of the skin of the bull, it's impossible to to to feel rings." How can you be muchavain? He says in a chicken may lie here, but in an animal how do you get to the thing? The basar d'eilah I don't see it here. You know, we don't have it, but you know, maybe this you know, this red over here. It's right after all these rings comes the basar d'eilah. Lo k'Rebbe Yonah v'lo k'Rebbe Yosi b'Rebbe Yehudah. Omer Rebbe Nachman lo chiluk v'lo biluk v'lo biluk. So, they say it's like loshon of Ploni Almoni. Chiluk biluk is like a shmaka book. Chiluk and biluk. Like Barrel and Shmerel. I don't I don't know who Chiluk is. I don't know Biluk is. I know Shmayti d'Rebbe Nachman. I know I just know Braisa. D'omer Rebbe Chiya bar Abba Omer Rebbe Yochanan Omer Rebbe Yosi bar Rebbe Yehudah Omer Rebbe Chanina I love this. I couldn't prepare so well yesterday. There's a lot of freebies. There's a lot of names today. I'll be showing lady. So again it's towards the body. So this is like from all kosher from on this what's what's just show it on the screen for a second. She called it over. Anything from the sheep boy from that downward slide and towards the body towards all the rings is all kosher. The only way to show the lady. So this is also on the screen. You see on the screen? There's a green line. Where you shut the end of the perfect. And all of a sudden he made a left turn. And he does the red somewhere else past the dollar. That according to the bottom is treif. The shearer review though. Why cuz it says as long as you do the right in the right place which he did over here. You can see what you will see did here. There's a lot of lines but you can see there's the halfway point and there's the third point. The the blue lines in this thing are all thirds. So he did 2/3. Yeah? See these lines? The green goes through the top two lines thirds and then afterwards it goes the last third it's red. Sorry. The goes in three steps. If you do everything past the Tabasach D'Olah, let me just go back over here. Here, you know what that we we did a thing. Perfect. This is perfect. I see forgot to take that air out. According to Chachamim, the Tanna Kamma, if you do a little bit you do 2/3 in the good area and 1/3 in the bad area, possul, completely possul. According to Rabbi Yishmael Rabbi Yehudah, if you did 2/3 in the good area and 1/3 in the bad area is kosher. According to Rabbi Chanina ben Antignos, this would be possul according to everybody on top even according to Rabbi Yishmael Rabbi Yehudah. Why? Because he did sh'chitah past the Tabasach D'Olah. You see the green the green the green line going straight down? Where is it? It's not in the Tabasach D'Olah. That's already in the K'veah. That's already in a different area. Completely possul according to Rabbi Yishmael Rabbi Yehudah. So basically the Gemara says there's three steps here. You have the Tanna Kamma that says you have to have the total total sh'chitah in the Tabasach D'Olah. You have Rabbi Yishmael Rabbi Yehudah that says as long as you do 2/3 in the Tabasach D'Olah, 1/3 in the in the wrong area is okay. And then you have Rabbi Chanina ben Antignos that says everything in the wrong area is okay. It's not the wrong area for me. I say the K'veah is also part of the sh'chitah. It's all good. Says the Gemara I'm going to bring Rabbi Chanina ben Antignos Rabbi Yehudah. The Rabbi Yishmael Rabbi Yehudah is greater than Rabbi Chanina ben Antignos. Sh'chitah. Rabbi Yishmael is more makeil than the Tanna Kamma. Rabbi Chanina is more makeil than Rabbi Yishmael. So what's the big deal they tell me here? Well, they're saying Rabbi Chanina ben Antignos and Rabbi Akiva. Maybe Rabbi Chanina ben Antignos was only referring to the Tanna Kamma when he said it's kosher. In other words, I hold that if you didn't do the whole thing in the Tabasach D'Olah, it's kosher. Not that you could go all the way to the left into the K'veah. Why? Because it makes a lot more sense. He comes right after Chachamim. He's actually referring to Chachamim l'chumra. So then he said the same as the bottom of the heart. Exactly, yeah. Yeah. Okay, but that that we had already five times before today. There's a lot of shitas that are saying the same things. I hear. And it bothered me a little also. But then we have these other bottom cards. Cuz he is actually going in the bottom of the heart. They mark an army. Maybe he maybe he is going under the bottom. In case he will learn it by the way. So the lotion should have been different. He will learn how on what we just said. Says the gemara. The bottom of the heart of Hanina ben Antignos that above the bottom of the heart. In other words, to the left of the bottom of the heart. Is all good. Yeah. The bottom of the heart will say because in fact we're going to say the bottom of the heart. So we're going to go like the bottom of the heart. Like the bottom of the heart. Nice. Okay. So now we have a long sugiya here that basically says very uh simple thing that kind of repeats itself a lot. Omar Omar Machlokes is Shnay Shlish v'Hegrim Shlish. If you did Let's just do this here right over here. The Machlokes is in this area that he did 2/3 in the bottom of the heart, but 1/3 was in the wrong wrong area. Are we good? The Rabbanan say Shnay Shlish in the bottom of the heart. Chachamim say no, you need 100% in the bottom of the heart. Very simple Rubik's Cube. We have the roiv of the whole Torah over here and 2/3 is enough. I will Hegrim Shish Shlish v'Shachatzni Shlish. Take a look at this. You could see that he's going the opposite direction. He started from the bottom, the red area. He started out with the red. He started out in the wrong place. But then he finished up with 2/3 in the right place. What's an af kmina? So as we're going to see, there's there's an importance according to some mand amrim. Where does the Where does the animal's neshama leave? Maybe the iker is that he he dies. The The ruach, I forgot what they call it. The tzeis haruach, the the neshama leaves in the right area. He did 1/3 in the bad area. He didn't He's not going to die from that. Then he Then he goes and he makes a right turn and he starts shechting in the right area. At a certain point, he dies. Nu, say he died in a good in a good area. What's the problem? Or no? You got to The whole part The whole The whole thing has to be in the right area. I think there should be like more arrows on this thing cuz I think I see I see you guys a little confused. You see the arrow on top of the green? That's the direction of the shechita. There should be more arrows maybe on the bottom of the red also, showing he started from the bottom in the wrong area. Red Red Red Red. Then he went Then he continued the shechita going green. There's no shaila that's possul. Why? The chinuch yoso when the life of this animal came out being in ruba of shechita of a leka. He didn't have a rov shechita. Why? He did 1/3 shechita and then it died. 1/3 The first third was in a bad place. The second third when he died was in a good place, but he only had 1/3 in a good place. Let's say the opposite. Maybe the machlokes is when he started bad and went good. So, there's a maris digla halacha that tells us that if there's a little tiny hole in the veshet, the animal is treif. But if the konah is halfway cut, like this, this animal is not treif at all. Not treif. Now, you go into that slit. >> Could it live like that? I guess. You know what? Because it's like a spring. It like it goes back. We're going to if the animal Wow, it's not so it's not sharp. >> It is. It is. It is. Oh my god. This would be kosher as I Why? Cuz it's halfway done. Okay, but it's a little bit more than half. So, I guess the the start of off is the problem. Once it goes, it momma slices through. So, if that animal is like Oh. So, now listen to this. More than half. What's more than half? Because now all you need to do is come in here with a knife and cut a little bit more. So, let's say let's just say here here. Let's do it again for the for the thing. Let's say you found an animal like this and you go in and you go boom a little bit more. You're going to shochet the Why? Because you shochet the killed it. Beforehand, he was he was in a treif. And now you just went like this and you you killed the animal. So, you're you're your mouth made it. Yeah. So, the Gemara >> [clears throat] >> Um I have no idea where you are. The the the chotzi koneh pagum v'rabbonon makom shchita hochal makom shchita. What's the connection? Over there, you went and you you cut more of that koneh like I just showed you that's in the place of shchita. So, it's great. But, hochal makom shchita. Over here, you're using it's like cutting his brain a little bit and then cutting a little of his koneh. So, you say, "Oh, look. He died together with me puncturing his brain." It's no connection. One one is a hagrama in a place that's not good for shchita. And then I continued into the place of shchita. How could I connect it to? I was going to say it's just a vagrum shlaish. But, what if the opposite? You did a great shchita 2/3. And then you went and you you went off you you veered to the left and you went into the into the area that you shouldn't. Derei'ah kashaira. Why is derei'ah kashaira? It makes a lot of sense cuz you did two-thirds of a good that's what I was saying before what's the problem? If you shocked it most of the of the salmon and then you went away it's as if you shocked the entire thing. Maybe it's only going according to who in the mission says I can go with a right. Maybe argue and it's only that says it's okay. I understand so every time in the tire that every time in the Gamora and shots so we talking about it only goes according to you though. No and the because we see there are bottom argue really see in the mission. So maybe anytime that it mentions arrive and that it's okay it's going according to but argue. Listen now we have a real free break it's just going to reverse the the the names. Let's see how long this free is. I want to say you don't bring me a right from there what I just did live that's the whole thing was in the corner but before you want to go outside of the and come back in that's different. But if you did a good job. And then you went out it's according to everybody's kosher not cuz we learned that if you walk away in middle after you did a right it's okay. Maybe only one should. Maybe it's only him. Every single right in the world is I know I'm talking to the play. >> Because we see the mission that they argue. Okay, new Sugya. So, that was nice. That was like seven lines. Higrum Shlish Shogeg Shlish. Higrum Shlish. This is that the slide. Oh, so very did it well, like you. Because there's one extra arrow at the bottom. No, he started from the top in the wrong spot. Comes back, makes a right turn, goes into the Basak Dayla. And and then he goes out again. Ravuna Amar Rav Shiro. He says in the name of Rav, and this is important to remember. And Rav Yehuda in the name of Rav says Shiro. Rav Huna Rav Shiro Kanafka Shchita in the good spot? He did 1/3 no good, 1/3 good. So, in the third that's good on the right, that's when the animal died and that's good. Rav Yehuda Amar Rav Treifa Avinu Ruba Shchita V'leka. That's not good. Why? Because I need It's not enough that he dies there. I need the roiv of the Shchita in a good place. It's not It's not important where he dies. It's important that you have a roiv in the right place. Shogeg Shlish V'higrum Shlish V'shogeg Shlish. So, now the reverse, take a look. Like this. He He started off in the right spot in the Tabasak Dayla. Goes off to the wrong spot. Then comes back in the right spot. Zog di Maran Rav. That's right. Shogeg Shlish V'higrum Shlish V'shogeg Shlish. V'yehuda Amar Rav Shiro. Also Shogeg Rav Huna. Amar Rav Treifa. That's Rav Huna and he says it's Treifa. Why? Because the Neshama went out in the wrong spot. You look over here in this Let's uh Can we see it? I I didn't make sure that >> [snorts] >> it was before it was showing it on the screen. Okay. Over here, he started good, went no good, ended up good. Where did the animal die, Rebbi Say, in It doesn't go by the It doesn't go by the tissue. It doesn't matter. We don't care about his tissue number. What are you You you you're looking at the malcolm office. You did the shita. You did the shita that's right kosher. I don't care where he dies. Shom of you would of you that heard this and he's very upset. Omar tariff no master by the by by this case Yeah, let's just How come it doesn't move? Wow. Okay, I don't know what's going on here. Let me go over here. Maybe this one is better. It's my mouse not working. Oh. Okay. He says in this case where you start off bad, you went to a good shita and you went back tariff now I say it's treif. And over there you say it's kosher. And now in this one the the reverse one where I say it's kosher you're saying it's treif. What's going on here? And you say it's kosher when I say it's treif. So he says he's right for being upset at me. He heard it from Rav. He's saying all from Rav. I made it up myself. I use my own logic. By shachat he green the shachat. This case that you see on the screen roiv was in a good spot. You see there's a lot of green, very little red. So it should be good. I don't want you to to regret it. By the higrum shachat the higrum. Oh man, what no all one second. What? By this case when you went in the wrong in the wrong if you you're going to say that he has to take everything back so he's going to have to take this back also. Here, where did the animal die when he was in the right spot into the good law? So too In other words, he's saying I agree with your logic. Not this one, but this one where the animal died and that's what I was saying. He's dying in the wrong spot and it should be bad. So they asked him what happens if he did this? No? Let me just make sure. Sure it's yeah. Good bad good. No, I'm going to love how to do it by the new me down isn't that exactly what I was going to do so you can master if you do it looks like a W. It looks like a uh a comb. Kosher. Oh my God. So if it looks like a we should No, you should have done it, but I was sick. I forgot to tell him. If it looks like a zigzag like this like a W a few W's, then it's a kosher shrita. So the where do you see from here that that he's talking about that he went in and out of the How do you know that he went from the into a place that's no good and came back? Maybe he's saying if you do a W in the good spot of the That itself is kosher. I would think that's not kosher to go like this to like this even Imagine a regular today in the long corner goes like this. Why is that okay? And what's the problem with that? The says more than that. It should be not okay because you can't really see inside. The what's the that you could do a W in the It is. You you a clean cut. So you can look inside there. The shochet pop it open and look inside. If it looks like a W, looks like an accordion, you can't really look inside. Everything is covering each other. You don't have a can't open it up and look inside and see if it's a good shchita. Kama shma lon. So we have the same thing that we had a couple days ago. Reb Yehuda is giving shiur. Reb Kahana is sitting in front of him. And behind Reb Kahana we have uh Reb Abba. The Gemara Reb Kahana asks Reb Yehuda. What is this case? Let's see. Going back to this case. Here. This case. Reb Boys of this case. You're putting it on the screen? No. Oh. Original shchita. What if he did the next one? I can't believe nothing's working here. This one. Bad, good, bad. What's the What's the halacha? Sulo. Oh, I have no idea where we are. In in whose Gemara? What if there was already uh a cut in the corner and he shchited in there. I'm going to shchit the shchita. It's okay. Shchita pogem by nekivah mau. Listen to this maiseh. This is where you have to use your head. What is the difference? What would be the nafka mina if there is a hole, an existing hole in the trachea and you continue the hole with the knife. Or if you shchited normally in a place that there's no hole and then you came to where there's a hole. In other words, you only shchited 50%. Oh my lay, my shchita. What's the difference? What's the difference? I don't see nafka mina. Oh my lay, shchita pogem nekivah asur kemi shchita >> There's a lot of it if a guy starts to and a Jew finishes it off it's kosher. Cuz all we care is about is what you're able to do. You do your your end the guy did his things it's kosher. So if there's already a neck of and you just continue there's a 10% neck of and you do 50% so it's like the 10% the guy did and that's kosher. But if he shocked it 50% and he bumped into a neck of not to give me to shock at the stroll with the government guy. That's as if you did 50% and the final 10% the guy did. The guy did the market of a patch over here nature did the market of a patch is no good. I don't like what you're saying it's no no no good guy no more. It's all over the good guy no more. It's wrong. With the good guy no more. When he only shocked the 50% and the guy did another 10% so who did these things no more the guy. Over here when he bumped into the to the 10% that existed he's doing the no more no more no more no more no more no more no more no more what's the difference if he started off with 10% already existing or he bumped into 10%? He he's the one that did the market of a patch. He's the one that finished off the Torah. Have a wonderful day. Merit the host of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today at my sponsor.com or sponsor at my dot com.