CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 16 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> A good nerve Shabbos BOYS SIDE. >> [screaming] >> WHO IS responsible for this Mordecai live from Morocco? From the banyan tree. Omar we're holding up the Zion Omedaf. You guys have it? The Zion Omedaf. Omar. I shall have been Mukni have very interesting sugars as usual school is momish turning out to be fascinating. If somebody checks with a wheel with a machine. So here's a picture. Where is the Mukni? So there's a wheel but the wheel itself is not what's doing the cutting. There's a knife on the bottom of the wheel. It's a little sideways but okay you get the idea. And you put the animals this way and it checks. By you. Pushing some lever which pushes which turns the knife which cuts the animal. Says the Gamara it's a good Shita even though it's on a wheel it's like a machine. Mukni is like a Mukona like a like a machine. But Tanya Shita is but it says somewhere else. That we even mentioned it the Shita is possible. So if you use a machine it's possible it would be great. Imagine you put a a knife on a machine and all the Shita has to do is move animals past the machine cut cut cut he doesn't have to do anything with the Z. Like Hashi. Ha B'sarono the Fekhra. There's a machine they used to use to make. Earthenware. Today I know that they have these machines that spin the earthenware and with your hand you mold it in certain ways maybe that's what it is I have no idea. But they used to use a machine. And that is considered Kli Yadam. It's the power of the person the human being pushing a pedal. With his foot with his hand it's it's it's human power. Like a like a bicycle. A bicycle would be human power. You go like this and you're powering it with your legs. Oh, but how about the mayo? When you have a What is this called in English? A wheel that turns from the water. A water wheel, okay. What a What a cop. >> [laughter] >> A water wheel, it gets all its power from human zero intervention at all. And that turns and spins a knife, that's no good. Now, there is one situation where a water wheel would be okay. Water mill, but that's the mill. This is not a mill. This is for uh for shita. What is the case where a water wheel works? And it's okay. When you open up the water and the initial gush of water starts the wheel to spin. That is considered human power. Why? Cuz with your human power, you open up the water and the water came and pushed it. 5 seconds later, however many seconds it is, 2 5 it's already no longer it's no longer human power. That is already from the from the from the water. A great example would be if you're on a plane you're on a you're on a in a restaurant somewhere and there's no water or thing. You have to wash your hands. So, what do you do? You want to wash the water in the morning you woke up on a plane. You're on a United flight and you want to what? What do you do? So, a good answer would be is to push the water and stick your hand in immediately. Or stick your hand, push the push the button. Take your hand out, you have to wait for it to stop and then you do it again. There's only like 25 pushes like that on a plane. And then the water runs out, so you got to be careful. You buy the same uh how about the mayo? Well, I got you. And now they might tell us the other answer. That even with the water will there's a way that it's motor to shut with and there's ways also. Because like cashew because of the initial burst of water is considered your force. Your force good at good how because of but once you whatever that is 2 seconds later, 5 seconds later the the turning a complete uh um rotation of the wheel then it's already or whatever it is I'm not sure what the law is something it's already not your it's already water that's going to continue going. Imagine I I turned on I opened up the um the dam and now it's my for for 45 years no way. It lasts only for a few seconds and that's it. Then the rest is is is a sham pushing the water through. Says the more I'm worried if you had a dollar at Papa a great story. Hi Mom the capital of somebody ties up his friend and then ask him to beat him with the mayo and he puts on him some sort of stream of water or whatever and he dies he drowns high off. My timer why why is he high? You did it you done it babe. These are it's like shooting an arrow at somebody. So we shot a bunch of water at him till he died. But how do you say because of the reason if he died from the initial force I will say any grown by almo but once it's the second force whatever that means that he's partner. You also have the killer. Says the more I might say. You know in in in Yeshiva it's more like this. Let's say Rebbe sitting where I'm sitting a comment is sitting right in front and then there's the second row. Rebbe imagine this Rebbe who's the God of our but he started out somewhere. He learned by Rebbe. Rebbe was the one who wrote the and Rebbe is the the first time I wrote. Rebbe was the last time I wrote. Rebbe is the first time I wrote slightly a Tana. They call him He's a Tana or Paul. We could consider him a Tana because where's the cutoff line exactly? So, he he's right there. Even Rebbe Akiva, who was his contemporary, is not considered a Tana. So, but at a certain point, he sat behind Rebbe Akiva. He was in row two. He wasn't up front. When I learned in Pesachim, I learned in Pesachim for two years, so in order to sit in row one, the shurim sat there, you know, the guys that were in Yeshiva for a long time, and the guys that understood the shiur, they sat in shiur in row one. I was in row seven, you know what I mean? Like for two years. Rebbe Akiva sits in front of the Rebbe. Rebbe Akiva says to him, Rebbe says, "When I am the shochet, should he be told How do you know shchita must be done with something detached from the ground? It can't be attached to the ground." Rebbe Akiva takes the knife to shecht Yitzchak. So, the Rambam says there's a whole thing here. How do you prove from here this is before Matan Torah? Okay. A ko panim, there's no tzeevui for shchita. He goes and he takes the knife. He went and he took something that's detached. Why else would the Torah tell us that he took the knife? Rebbe Rebbe Akiva. So, Rebbe was sitting in row two, taps his, you know, Rebbe Akiva in row one, says, "My komer, what is he talking about? What is Rebbe talking about?" So, listen, you know, it's kind of a chutzpah. It seems like chutzpah almost. I I'm very proud of Yossi. I I told him I don't like what another artist did because the the other artist did it goes according to one of the shurim they say. He did it with the grain. I I wanted I felt it should be against the grain, I felt. I like that shur better. So, I So, this is more like it, against the grain. You're writing a vav against the grain, so you have a ton of cuts in the vav. It's it's split up. So, in like 23 seconds, he sends me back the new version, and it's all fixed. Great. So, basically he's saying, Reb Hiyya tells Rav, "You're right." It's a good thing you tapped me on the shoulder cuz I I I I agree with you 100%. I don't think Rebbe knows what he's talking about. That's basically what they're saying. Rebbe, Rabbeinu Hakadosh, told me them ma mistake. Okay? So, he says, The comic The Crocomer brings a right from Avraham Avinu. What he He's not saying shtussim? He says, "Krov zeh musei d'Avraham k'mashma'an." Reb Hiyya is telling Rav that this pasuk, you can't bring a right from the pasuk. The Torah is just telling us what Avraham Avinu how how how how he has reasos. What's reasos mean? Cuz Reb Shmuel said, "Go shacht." He didn't want to have any issues with knives, and looking for a knife. I'm going to get there. I'm going to have it. I'm going to do it. Amar Rava, "Shitalei talush v'lo safek chiburei l'inyan avodah zarah have it talush." So, first, Rava starts out talking about avodah zarah, and then he brings it back to our sugya when it comes to shechitah. That what? How do we view something that used to be detached, and you made it something attached? For instance, a brick. You build a home. Everything in this hotel right here behind us, all these beams, were once upon a time detached. They weren't attached They're detached, unless, you know, they they got them from the ground or something. But, these are all man-made materials, probably, like cement or whatever. Detached. So, when you take something detached, and you attach it, and now it becomes a mechubar, does it have a halacha of detached or attached? Which one is it? So, there's a halacha in avodah zarah that tells us that if it's attached, it cannot become a It's mutaba hana'a. So, in other words, if I worship a mountain, if he worships a mountain for avoda zara, he cannot make the mountain ossur. He can make an animal ossur cuz it's detached. He can make a glass into avoda zara, but he cannot make a mountain. Why? Because the mountain is m'chubar. What about a house? What about a house? Can you make a house avoda zara? The answer is yes. And why? How can you explain it? The only way to explain it is cuz it used to be detached and it's attached now. But just the fact that it's attached now doesn't make it attached. So, therefore, he says, So, if you if you bow to your own house, ossur, you make your house ossur. This is that have a m'chubar. Why would you tell me that your house is considered m'chubar? The what? That there's a mussak that their gods are on the mountains, but not the mountains are the gods. The The mountain can't be a god. The mountain can't be avoda zara. Just avoda zara on the mountain. There's a possak that tells a famous we said in We had this in avoda zara lot. That a mountain that's m'chubar cannot be avoda zara. You can't ossur it. And mamila, we have to understand why a house is ossur. And the answer is cuz a house started out not m'chubar and you made it m'chubar mamila. This is the difference. Layin ossur is z'roim t'no'i. In order for any food item to become tamei, it has to be muchshar kabbel tum'ah. It has to have uh a situation where you put you put one of the seven liquids on it. Water, let's call it. Blood, water, dew. If you want to use the water for any other purpose, stam, you want to use the water, and then that water touches your fruit, it's also muchshar kabbel tum'ah. You You need to put the to want the water to go on your fruit, you need to want the water, let's say, to wash out your pot. And then the water goes. Now, right? Even if it if if whatever that that usage was, even if it wasn't for food, it's considered key of them. But, it has to be something that's not the car guy. Let's say I want water to wash my roof. I have too much dust on my roof on my on my my skylight. So, I want the water to wash it down. And then the water goes and hits my fruit. It's not because that water was for my cover. Now that we know this, we go by there. It says this not. Oh, it's all right in tonight. So, now we have when it comes to motion this not. I could somebody flips over a bowl on a wall. Why did he flip it over? So that the the vessel should be rinsed out. That water is good enough to go on the fruit and make the motion because I wanted the water to wash out my my dish and my dish is not my car guy. What if I put I flip over the pot so that my wall that I just painted shouldn't get wet? And because that's for the wall and not for something that's tall. It's for my cover which is a wall. Wall is my cover. As the guy said. So, it says in the mirror I was What is the What's the What's the What's the car guy? I wish I could do the car guy. If you do it to to wash out the dish, that's considered good water to be my martial car guy. I wish you can infer. But if you did it to wash the wall, So, washing the wall is not a is not a is not good water. But you don't need it. You can be my car guy. I wish you can be my car guy. I wish you can be my car. If you flipped over the dish to protect the wall, then it's not good water. Then I can infer I can make a deal but if you want to wash the wall, so then I'm inferring two opposites. So what do I do? So one one option is you write it's a broken thing. It is a like this. And this [clears throat] is exactly what Robert referred to before that I have a case when it comes to >> [cough and clears throat] >> What about the holes that I have in the cupboard? You you want the water from the cupboard. It is considered good water for that one holds not. No, this is one of the things you hear this. The wall of a of a wall. Meaning it was You dug out a a cave but there was a cave. The wall was there from maybe ratios. So that's me. You made water. But you have a wall that you built like a hotel wall that's hotel that's man-made. So even though it's to the it's not considered water. And this is what I meant to say. I if you flip over a ball on a wall because you want to rinse out your then it's considered good water for for for motion but if you want the wall to get clean that's not considered good water. And then it goes on to explain we're going to explain the difference is if it's a pre-existing wall from time of ratios then it's considered but if it's a regular wall from a home the how you doing it that the the wall the wall shouldn't get get wet. Who sorry if you don't want the wall the wall to get ruined, it's not considered good water. But if you want that the wall should get rained on and then and cleaned, then it is considered you done. Now, how does this whole thing have to do with shrita? So by Rava What if you have a knife and you attach it to a wall, is it considered or not over? So what's the question? Question is if you take a knife, you take something and you plant it into a wall, what's the is it considered it's no good it's considered and it is good. It's a good There's a There's a stone coming out of a wall. That's That's a good one, right? Because everybody could tell that this wall, I saw a wall similar to this here, I guess in in the the yards of the rooms, has this kind of stuff. But everybody could tell this is man-made, right? So he says the wall Oh, so we have a problem here. Even though this wall is not considered you just told me it's man-made. So why is it a problem? Why is the possible? So you see from here that what? That even though you attached the stone to you you're the one that attached it. So it was not it was then it's possible. So here's a great if you take a knife and you put it in a wall, it's possible. No. How do I because it's talking about something like this. The mailer this is from the braces. It's not man-made and therefore that's why it's possible. Because they're both in the same sentence. It says and it says the mailer so mailer they're both a kind of a read. Obviously it came from a sham and it's stuck in the ground. So it's a maker. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, this piece doesn't look so good in this picture, but yes, it's a piece. This looks like somebody put it there, but uh no, the point is it's a cave and it that's how it was. Shulchan Aruch, not Sakan Mekuiso. Here's another one that says that you take a knife, you put it in the wall. Mishnah Berurah, I think he might even made a picture for it, I don't know why. Yeah, yeah. Like this. You take a knife, you you shacht the goat like that. It's good for the next Sugya. Mishnah Berurah Shchitas Akum Sh'eira. So, what do you see? That even though you it was Talush and then you made it Muchbar, it's Kasher. Says the Gemara, Shani Sakan Diloy Mevatel Lo. Shani Sakan Diloy Mevatel Lo. A knife is different. Why? Because What? Right. You're not Mevatel the knife to the wall. You know one day come and take it out. Shulchan Aruch. B'Muchbar L'Karka Shchitas Akum Sh'eira. Now, this, as you remember from yesterday, we had a contradiction, so we said Well, it's the fact that it says Muchbar L'Karka, it's good good Shchita. It's referring to that it was Talush and then Muchbar. So, here here's a great case of Talush and then Muchbar that the Shchita is Kasher. Says the Gemara, Duma Prucha B'Mefarish Lo. Maybe the Shulchan Aruch over there, he's just explaining Mai Muchbar L'Karka? Sakan Diloy Mevatel Lo. Maybe we can't bring a Raya because it's just the Up Shat of what's going on over there. What what what does Muchbar L'Karka mean? It means a knife and that we already established a knife is not something that you Mevatel to the wall cuz you're going to pull it out. Okay. Now, it's time that I think about it for a second. If I were to ask you, what's what's a worse Shchita? If the knife is over here, here's the knife. Putting the animal on top of the knife and cutting like this, or putting the animal below the knife and cutting like this? This is the knife. The question is, and this is the animal, what's worse of a Shchita? Putting the animal's neck like this, or putting the animal's neck like this? Shulchan Aruch, not Sakan Mekuiso, if you put a knife in the in the wall, Mishnah Berurah Shchitas Akum Sh'eira, if good shita. If you did this, this is the only way it's kosher. It's crazy. So what is he doing? He's moving the He's moving the neck back and forth to do How do you do shita? He must move the neck back and forth. But if he does this Obviously a concern. Maybe he'll put push down on the knife and do drisa. There's no difference than we learned yesterday. Let's not even talk about it. It's two different halachas. The what? If the knife is on the bottom and the animal's neck is on top and the knife is in his hand Great. Second to none. But if the the knife is on top and the animal's neck is on the bottom, so even if it's in the hole, even. It's No, no, no. This These are all kosher, but the only way it's kosher when the knife is below the neck, in other words, he's coming down is only if it's in his hand. He's holding up the cow's head and he's coming from below. Okay. So that's the only time that it's okay when the when when he's holding the knife in his hand, but if the knife is stationary, in other words, in a in a in a in a in a wall, then it would be a problem. But if it's the reverse if the knife is on top then it doesn't matter if the knife is in the wall, then it's also okay. Also okay. What? 5 more minutes. Good. Uh Rabah bar bar boy for the cow. We have another one. Here we go. Over here, we don't have a shai a problem with a tree. So, why? Here you all see, there's no problem with trees here. Because a a bird is so light that you're not going to use the power of the the what do you call Oh, things are going to get weird in a second. There are five things that if you have a broken piece of reed, so the best picture I could come up with actually we have a better one. But this again, not to mention that I don't know how many times I mentioned a sugar cane and ginger and lemon. But if you I took from this picture, imagine you look all the way on the right side, so there's a broken piece of sugar cane. That's very very bad for a few things. What? For five things. In what you can do with it? Why? Cuz it has a bunch of splinters. It's going to tear the animal. May do not do meat with it. Oy vey. It's a lot of splinters here. He he did a one he also did something like this. Okay? It's splintery. You don't never know. Do not use it as a knife and to cut your steak. Then and do not use it as a toothpick. Don't use it as toilet paper. In the wall What time you have a kosher It's in the forest you can use a reed. Cuz we're talking about reeds that don't have splinters. A special type of reed. But a reed that has splinters, you're not allowed to use for But so you do not use it for cutting meat. The problem with killing dog and he said you can use it for the the inwards of fish. The ziggy. Now, I want to show you a rashy I I saw today. Look at rashy. Ziggy? What does Rashi say anybody could read? Clear. And that's Ziggy. Ziggy means clear. Ziggy? Why? It's transparent. So, if it's transparent, you can see right through it. You can see if it has a splinter or not. And the Rabbi Rona would would cut chicken schnitzel. Why? Cuz it's soft, it's not going to splinter into the into the chicken. The Amakan from you do not use it as toilet paper. If you use toilet paper that that that could catch fire, you could have What is it called? Hemorrhoids, whatever. So, in other words, it's it's it's more of a cabalistic thing, I believe. Why? How do I know that? Because it'll be a big problem. No. What I was telling you is if you if if you have, let's say, uh a scar from a monkey, do not go like this with a with a reed that has splinters because it could go into your into your um into your wound. Says it says in the Mishna that kosher chicken is good. You do schita even for a bird. What does that mean? What does that mean? What uh So, there's a straw. He said the light to eat meat. Stop. Have a steak. Why? So, imagine if you couldn't eat any steak. So, so believe that it's unbelievable. In the beginning, it was awesome for them to eat meat. Then he must have said, "Okay, go ahead and eat meat." I would have a have a minute that you know that you know that you know that you know that you know that you know that you know that you know that you know that you know that you know that The point is that they're allowed to eat it. So that should be the point that you could check. The point that you're allowed to eat meat. Why what's the whole let's think about it logically. Why was meat awesome? Once when they're very close to the Mishkan So just bring a carbon and every time you want to eat meat you can bring a carbon and you can eat the steak. Well why did meat become water? Like right now we're in we're in we don't have a Mishkan. So the only way to eat it is to do what you got to do. But certainly now that we're far away, very far, we don't have a at all. So may it should be the voice I this fire is open until what time? Have a wonderful day. Merit this class of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today. Mdy.sponsor.com [music] or sponsor at mdy.com.