CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 15 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning boys and girls. We're in the middle of the Sugya when a person checks on Shabbos and Kipper. He does a Shita on Shabbos and Kipper. You're permitted to have from the Shita says Rav provided what? You wait a full You wait a day. You wait. In other words, we'll see maybe it means Shabbos. You wait. Can't eat it on Shabbos. The Sugya tries and says, you know what? Maybe it's the Rebbi which Rebbi says we tried this one, that one. Muktza Machmas Issur. It's Muktza. You can't touch the meat because it's Muktza. It was Assur. It was Assur before Shabbos and it's Assur now. Does Rebbi really hold this in? Last words on the Amud. This not Rebbi Omer. Kol Ner Yishal Machmas Metatla. You have a candelabra. If it's made out of earthenware, so it gets all nasty and gross from all the oil. So it's certainly Muktza Machmas Meos. But even if it's a nice material like metal which doesn't get dirty and it's older it's a older candelabra. You're allowed to move it on Shabbos if you have some sort of reason to. Chutz Min Ha-Ner Shel Likui Ba-Bais Shel Shabbos. Everybody's familiar with this Halacha. The once you light a candle I I I remember as a kid I don't I didn't see it in a long time. Some people light their candles on the Shabbos table and it becomes like an issue. So they take the table cloth you're not allowed to move the actual candles. So what do you do exactly? I remember that there were people people were not so familiar maybe with this Halacha back in the day. Maybe today they became more I don't know. Okay. V'Dilma Shani Hasam. So the Gemara what's the connection? How do you know? So therefore Rebbi would say in our case when you have meat you have an animal that was an Ever Min Ha-Chai before Shabbos. So it's like candelabra that you have candles lit on it. And even when the candles go out the candelabra remains Assur. Why? Because it was a bosses became something that's also at the time that the candles were lit you weren't allowed to move it so the way here at the time that the animal and that's a big issue when somebody owns a dog like we used to have a dog are you allowed to touch it there's not a good heather to really touch your own dog it the actual dog is is muktza and a lot of people in my family were make of the dollar they came up with their own coolest There there's there's some material I'm not I I was looking high and low I would love to hear it but I don't know why it's muktza to tell you the truth I don't know why like has no use but the mice it's your pet you like to pet it okay fine call upon him The Gemara says over here that this is Reb Yehuda that's why you can't have the animal the animal's muktza because it's so you have to do on Shabbos it's already shabbos and the meat is available it's still muktza says the Gemara shani the Rebbi What's the connection when you light a candle on a candelabra you're saying I don't want to use this this beautiful silver piece for the next 24 hours cuz I just lit a candle on it but an animal you didn't push it off you didn't do anything physically to show that you don't want this animal the Rebbi Shani the Rebbi Rebbi died So therefore let's go and find another Reb Yehuda Elazar Reb Yehuda the Rebbi Shani this is the Reb Yehuda of Bishul It's not Rebbi Shani Bishul Bishabbos It's a very very famous machlokes it's a three-way machlokes and the three-way machlokes has different parts to it So what's the machlokes so I just want to to make the machlokes easier goes like this if a person is mechallel Shabbos he cooks on Shabbos somebody in Chicago baal teshuvah I ate in their house and I I witnessed a chillul Shabbos that had to do with cooking she wasn't aware that a certain thing with the oven was also She didn't know. So, what's the you allowed to eat this meat or not? So, we have a three-way like this. But, we have the three-way like this in both categories, whether she did it deliberately or she did it unintentionally. Because if she did it deliberately, then we have a whether anybody could eat it. Anyone. And so, it goes like this. We have who's the most make all and we have who's the most make all and who's the most make all. And they'll say that if it happened deliberately, then no one can eat it forever. Toss it out. With and says if it happened unintentionally, like in my case in Chicago, then you're allowed to eat it, but only on Shabbos. And you have to wait this You have to wait how long did that meat take to to cook? 2 hours? You have to wait for 2 hours on Shabbos. Why? Because you don't want to have any benefit You want You don't want people to benefit from the Shabbos. So, if it took them 2 hours on Shabbos, you're not going to benefit from the Shabbos at all. You're going to wait till So, that those are the extremes. You have who says it's motor to eat. And then you have who says that it's also to eat for anybody. So, But, they and who's in the middle? And we're going to say that our We're going to The truth is we don't have to know all the different because it could get confusing. Now, to make the a little easier, I will say that whatever holds in it, which is his extreme category, that's what holds in it. In the lighter category. And whatever holds in his That's what the next man holds in holds in his it. So, it's steps. It's tiered. Rebbi Meir who's the most maker says by mazel you should do XYZ. So that's what you going to hold exactly by his shul. Rebbi who that holds in his mazel you should do this and this that's what Rebbi is going to hold in that. Okay, fine. Okay. So let's see inside. This is not the shul the shul gig. Yoi khan. You could eat. Ah. When could he eat? He could eat right away. So I I I misspoke before Rebbi Meir holds they could eat even on Shabbos on a shul gig. On a shul gig? So according to Rebbi Meir which we'll see that Rebbi says passes like Rebbi Meir. So in that in that my situation sitting in this guy's living room or dining room and seeing that his wife was the shul gig Shabbos with the food you're allowed to eat right away. Even she even she. Yeah. Even her even the the right. So we have the two we have the guy doing the cooking the chef and then we have the friends. We have the shul gig and we have the mazel. So the mazel is the shul gig the mazel why if you do it deliberately why shouldn't you eat because there's a we there's a there's a penalty here. Can't eat it right away. Rebbi Meir. So let's see I don't know I don't know if we did this correctly yesterday. Rebbi Meir is on the bottom. Is there no it doesn't move. Okay. I don't see what's going on here. >> [snorts] >> Okay. So Rebbi Meir says the shul gig yoi khan so I don't know if you could see there's a table with a chef with [snorts] friends. You guys see the chef you can you see it? Oh zoom in very good. Oh. Okay. Here's the chef. He's the he's the he's the worst guy because he's the one that did it. According to the mayor, on a shogeg, even he could eat and his friends could eat. On Shabbos, you see it says on Shabbos. Yom Shabbos. Meizid Meizid, what's the halacha? Only on Motzei Shabbos, you see? Meizid Motzei Shabbos, only who? Only friends. You don't see a chef there. That's what Rebbe Yehudah's going to hold what? That's what Rebbe Yehudah's going to hold on a shogeg. You hear? On a shogeg Rebbe Yehudah's going to hold that only friends and only on Motzei Shabbos on a shogeg. What does Rebbe Yehudah What does Rebbe Yehudah hold on a meizid? Yeah, yeah. On a meizid, the next one up. Here. So, he did very nice. He put the chef all by himself. He gets nothing. The chef gets nothing. The The The friends get to eat when? Only on Motzei Shabbos. So, that's That's basically what Rebbe Yehudah holds on a meizid. Let's see. Let's see if it's right. Rebbe Yehudah imer Rebbe Yehudah imer, and this is what the Gemara is trying to say that Rebbe Yehudah is our Mishnah. If somebody shochts on Shabbos, this is what you do. Bishogeg lo yochal. Lo Motzei Shabbos. Oh, remember Rav said, yes, you're allowed to eat the shchitah provided that you wait a day. This is the This is And it goes according to Rebbe Yehudah. This is Rebbe Yehudah that what? That if you shocht by mistake, our Mishnah is going to be talking about bishogeg, by mistake you have to wait until Motzei Shabbos. Umeizid lo yochal leolam es. But if you do it deliberately, you can't eat forever. But who can eat forever? The chef. But somebody else could eat. And that's going to be and Sandler's shagig. In the maze of if you did deliberately, the chef can never eat it. He can never benefit from it, ever. But his friends could. Shlecha de niska. Yeah, it's always shlecha de niska. So and Sandler may I know it because it's there's a lot of elements, it's hard to remember it all. But and Sandler says if you did it by mistake, I'm going to hold like you do in his maze. You have to have the same way. Only his friends, not him. Why? Because we we give a shagig of the maze. The maze of if you do it deliberately, you can never eat it. You have to have the same way. I could probably wasn't going to want to say. Where it says that we're going according to our mission is going through according to you that in shagig. You have to have the same way. And you have to wait even you have to wait until Shavuot day. So the Gamara the new maze of the maze of the mayor. Why don't we say that it goes according to the mayor? The second category of the mayor that he did it deliberately. And the mayor has to wait until Shavuot Why? It can't be the mayor. Since the mission he says the words that he Shavuot and Kippur together one after another, so Shavuot is similar to Kippur. My Kippur on Kippur itself nobody could eat. There's no to eat on Kippur whether even if you did it by shagig. >> [snorts] >> So there's no difference between shagig and amazing and he shouldn't be able to eat. So the Gamara great. So we must have shagig of the mayor. Why how could you how could you say that our mission goes like you do? In what case of a shogeg? Think about it. Let's read the mission together. Let's see if it fits. Ha shocheit Rebbi Yehuda Ha shocheit b' Shabbos or Yom Ha Kippur I'm reading these words. You tell me if it makes sense that it's a shogeg. Af al pi she mischayev nafsho, even though he gets the death penalty shchitaso ksheira. Are we talking about a shogeg or a mezid? How could it be a shogeg? It says mischayev nafsho, he gets the death penalty. Says the Gemara, I don't understand what you're talking about. U'mi matziz mogim b'shogeg Rebbi Yehuda? How could you say goes like Rebbi Yehuda? Av avishul mischayev nafsho k'dati. It says m'foresh that he gets the death penalty. You don't get the death penalty if you're doing something by accident. How we call him? Av avishul d'meizid mischayev nafsho. What the mission is trying to say is so extreme. We're talking about a situation that if somebody did it deliberately, he would get the death penalty. So if he did it unintentionally >> [snorts] >> maybe we should be super machmir. It's a very severe thing that he did here. So what if it was unintentionally? It's like if you kill somebody deliberately, you get the death penalty. It's a very very severe thing to kill somebody. So if you did it unintentionally, it's not a joke. You don't go home. Says the Gemara, so I didn't mean to say that our mission is mamesh a mezid. I said in a case of a mezid, you get the death penalty. Mila, you have to be very careful by shogeg also. And in fact, you do have to wait until Motzei Shabbos to get to eat it. How could a shogeg shogeg be allowed to eat it from the shchita? But if it happened b'shogeg, you're allowed to you're allowed to eat it from the shchita. Says the Gemara, okay, so one more question and then we're done with the sugiyah. Why don't we say the mission? Who told you that the mission goes according to Rebbi Yehuda? We have three shitos. We have Rebbi Meir who's meikel, Rebbi Yehuda in the middle, and we have Rebbi Yehonasan ben Uziel who's super machmir. Maybe our mission goes according to Rebbi Yehonasan ben Uziel in the shogeg part. It happened b'shogeg, it goes according to Rebbi Yehonasan ben Uziel. B'nukma d'Rebbi Yehonasan ben Uziel b'shogeg, b'nukma d'meizid lo yochal. Says the Gemara, can't be Rebbi Yehonasan. B'nukma d'Rebbi Yehonasan ben Uziel b'shogeg, b'nukma d'meizid lo yochal on Shabbos. Lo yochal. What's tricky about the Sugya? A lot of things you have to stick in a little word here, a little word there. When it When it says over here, loy loy shomer mazik bishogeg loy shomer mazik loy ochel means only on Shabbos he can eat. So, why don't we say that it goes according to Rebbi Akiva and some of us say it's Rebbi Meir. Rebbi Akiva and some of us say it's Rebbi Meir. Some of us say Shabbos ochel loy ochel. But at the end of the day, there's a difference between the chef himself and his friends. Tani d'Rebbi Shimon bishogeg tani, but our Tanna never differentiated between anyone. He said a a blanket statement that the shchita of somebody who shochts on Shabbos and Yom Kippur is kosher. He didn't say, "Oh, only kosher for friends, not kosher for himself." So, immediately we can't say it goes according to Rebbi Akiva and some of us say it's Rebbi Meir. And now we have a brand new Sugya. Tani Tanna Kamma d'Rebbi Akiva. Hamivashal b'Shabbos bishogeg yochal b'meizid loyochal. So, I'm going to read this and you're going to tell me who this is. This is this tricky. 8:00 in the morning after sleeping 2 hours. If somebody cooks on Shabbos, if he did it bishogeg, if he did it by by mistake, b'meizid loyochal, if he does it deliberate I'm sorry, bishogeg yochal, if he did it unintentionally, he could eat. You hear this? He could eat. B'meizid loyochal. Who does it go I'm going to show you the steps and you have to tell me besides Rebbi Akiva. >> [clears throat] >> Again, if he did it bishogeg, you're allowed to eat. B'meizid, you're not allowed to eat. Who does it go according to? This is the most makel shitta. This is Rebbi Meir. When Shas d'Rebbi Akiva Rebbi Akiva said, "Quiet. Don't don't talk like that." So, the question is why Why would Rebbi Akiva tell somebody to be quiet? The Gemara has two questions on that. What's the point? My time in Shas d'Rebbi Akiva, why would he tell me to be quiet? Ilay which is the shitta d'Rebbi Akiva d'Rebbi Yehuda. You're saying the shitta d'Rebbi Meir and I Rebbi Akiva hold like Rebbi Yehuda. But Tanna Tanna Kamma Rebbi Meir. And the and the and the Tanna the announcer said it like Rebbi Meir which is the shitta d'Rebbi Akiva d'Rebbi Yehuda. Because man d'Tanna because Rav holds like so if anybody tries to say something like I quiet him down. That doesn't make sense. Rav himself doesn't hold like Rav himself holds like so he should have been very happy that somebody said like why would he be upset? When he himself holds like why would he be upset that somebody else said it's like him. How do I know this? When Rav was teaching Bisha to tell me them he told them in private that the law is like in other words that could be made all that if somebody in Chicago cooks meat unintentionally you're allowed to eat that meat on Shabbos even the cooker even the chef is allowed to eat it cuz it was unintentional. That's what he told his tell me them. But if when he said it in shul in front of the whole the whole community he said no no that looks like why he didn't want them to be make all on Shabbos to be on Shabbos. You yourself are allowed to eat it and then by mistake by mistake all of a sudden you start cooking things on Shabbos you start eating it yourself forget it it becomes also. because I'm out. So I'm a mailer. So what? So if somebody came along and said that law is like why would he tell him to be quiet? That is the law. So what's the obvious answer? Because he said it in front of so many people and he didn't want the people to know this this the secret. this story happened in front of the whole audience and that's why he quieted them. No at the all and that's why he quieted them. Nobody listens to to another that comes along and says something. They listen to the guy the speaker phone the ram call the the megaphone the one that with the loud voice I'm not going to say who the guy has a voice here in Jerusalem right now. I'll tell you cool the alma up. I don't know what means talk. Tana Shoka, Tana Kameha the Rav. Says the Gamorah, listen to the what happened was we're going we're going differently. A new shot over here. A new shot. When the Talmud came and said, "Hey Rav." He didn't say Rav. He said Rabbi. He was talking to the Godol the Rav. Uh you allowed to eat a bashiga. He wasn't talking about bishul. There's two categories. There's bishul, there's there's um the cooking and there's the shechting. Our mission is actually talking about shechting and that's why mom fits right in over here. Says the Gamorah, or I don't even Tana Shoka, Tana Kameha the Rav. He wasn't talking about bishul that if somebody cooked and that the the the the three the three step makhloket that we had over here, the steps, this thing. It wasn't about this. It was about if somebody shechted on Shabbos, what do you do? Says the Gamorah. How should I go we're holding like seven lines from the bottom. How should I go we're Shabbos bashiga if you shecht, then you could do it you could eat it if it happened by mistake. You shechted by mistake on Shabbos. So the Gamorah says, "The meat is not allowed to be eaten." But if you did it deliberately on Shabbos, you're not allowed to eat it. My dad is a chomer. You hold like a chomer. Uh the which chomer? Of cooking? I think like a chomer of ashel. That's in the ashel you're allowed to eat from it on Shabbos. Why? There are two lokos. So you the Gamorah makes a distinction here. When you take meat out of the freezer and you cook it on Shabbos, the meat was edible. In fact, we had a lot of carpaccio meat during this trip trip. Uncooked meat is a thing. People eat uncooked meat. You don't like it, that's your thing. But it's a thing. People eat uncooked meat. They eat uncooked tuna. This is uncooked. And I was shocked that they only they only allowed lokos lay. But but but a but a animal that before you shechted it was 100% also for the whole world even for a cuz it's ever been a high. So then you can't you can't say oh I shut it and I could eat it now I could I could use it right now on Shabbos. It's not it's muktza. Ask the Gemara and oh and this is why Rav tell me quiet. Cuz we weren't talking about bishul we're talking about shchita. So be quiet. You're making a mistake. The Reb Meir is talking about bishul not about shchita. Don't don't don't confuse the two. Shh, quiet. That's the that's the pshat. Not quiet cuz Reb Meir made here quiet cuz you made a mistake in halacha. Don't connect shchita and bishul. But I was sitting in shul and I do But wait a minute our mishnah is talking about shchita. And and in shchita we said that you can't eat it that day. What do you mean it goes according to Yehuda? Because only according to Yehuda it's assur that day but according to the one who's more meikel than Reb Yehuda Reb Meir muttar that day. Reb Meir shari. So why would Rav say be quiet? According to Reb Meir it's okay and he was saying according to this tannaim that spoke up and said hey you're allowed to eat this meat on Shabbos this is going according to Reb Meir. So the Gemara no kishari Reb Meir is turning to daf 62b. You going to shul and you don't know the halacha. If there's a a person who's dying mamesh a choleh sheyeish bo sakanah and I have to shecht this meat even on Shabbos so now this animal is no longer muktza. So what does muktza mean? Muktza means a machshavah da'as. I removed it from my mind. I'm never going to touch this animal on Shabbos. But no he said I am going to use this animal on Shabbos. This live animal I'm going to shecht and I'm going to make a good dish for my for this sick person that I'm taking care of. So Reb Meir it's not muktza. >> [clears throat] >> So why did he tell him to be quiet? Because Reb Meir doesn't say it's muttar in general. It's muttar when there's a there's a real reason. What's the reason here? Cuz there's a sick person. But if it's not a sick person you're not allowed to eat it. Y'all hear my time to review this awesome. If there's really sick person so even if you just going to agree that's not muktza. So it's going to work inside of every. What happened was we remove the the muktza status. You're right. According to review that there's no muktza according to your mate there's no muktza there's no muktza. Why is there no muktza? Cuz I have a sick person in the room and I have to cook for him and my law it's muktza it's not muktza this animal. Body became healthy. Once he becomes healthy now I go back to the muktza from every Yuda. What happens when I do something on shabbos unintentionally intentionally? That's why review this is awesome and remains this is muktza and try to be very. Really all the other other other says all the other other other other other also the body. If somebody came sick on shabbos and somebody you shut for him you got to give him some meat immediately to to heal him. But the the healthy person cannot eat. Why can't the healthy person eat? Rabbi say give me a good reason. No. Who just said that? If you did you said it. If you did you pray you. He said muktza. Cuz for the for the healthy person it's muktza. The muktza doesn't go away. What what does muktza mean? The banish mashes this was awesome. Now I'm allowed to shut it for somebody who really needs it cuz because of that but it doesn't mean it's not muktza. For you it's still muktza. You all like it. What? No no no I said it became shabbos. Says tomorrow. I'm a virtual shabbos my time I really all. I'm a virtual that's a shabbos it's muktza. But I'm a virtual shabbos you take the meat out I don't want to say freezer because okay people are going to tell me it wasn't really healed it's in the freezer. I don't know what. You take it out of the refrigerator, but it's meat that my official doesn't like, but Jamie Azulay does. So, that meat is not muktza. Why? Cuz it's really locked up. Listen, I'm with you. I don't need I don't No. Tuna is one thing, meat is another thing. You know, it's interesting. Animals, they eat it as I Okay, they just eat it raw. They don't need any nothing. Oh. Turning the daf, a dire global specialist in international financial services, Haim Milrad, lineage of Masim Razi. Fried out to bath. So, the Gemara So, the public comes with a little and then we're done with the sugar. We're starting a brand new Mishnah, interesting things about different knives and stuff. So, it says Reb Papa, but sometimes we could reverse the halachas. Both halachas will reverse. Palm sugar and water. You Sometimes when you shaft on Shabbos, it's mutar for everybody. He go out of jail and all that's what he was asking. Oh, yeah, cuz then what happens? Did you pray? Yeah. What happens in the house sick before Shabbos? Then there's no more muktza. Can enjoy my day. But sometimes even though it's the typically it's mutar on Shabbos if you do it for a So, it's also cuts like glass. When you cook something that was connected to the ground on Shabbos, so that's how much muktza and you're allowed to do it for the but not for a healthy person. I'm going to die. So, what's the halacha? If you have a who is a from before Shabbos, then it would be allowed for a a healthy person in in a in a raw state, like just to chew on it. Compare to you. My time in the because this is not muktza. Why is it not mukta? Because I I designated for the sick person. And the shchita was completely for the sick person. Cuz you cannot shecht a part of an animal. You have to shecht the entire animal. You could shecht the choleh shcho. And I shechted it just for the sick person. So maybe you're allowed to take a ride on it, piggyback on his shchita, and eat from it on Shabbos in a raw state. But you can't cook it. Why can't you cook it? But don't try to piggyback on a sick person, take advantage of a sick person. A sick person Oh, yeah, I I made a pizza for him on Shabbos. I'm going to have some of the pizza. No way. Why? Because because you might come to add extra for yourself, and that's assur obviously. And mamila, we just say anything cooked on Shabbos for a sick person, healthy people should not be touching it. What do we have here? We have a magel yad. It's an interesting tool. It's sharp on one side and it has like a saw like like serrated on the other side. So you're allowed to use the magel yad on the sharp side. Not with the serrated side. Batzar Sorry, you see they made it interesting. It's It's a stone. That's the top left one. So akol shochtin, ulaylim shochtin, ubakol shochtin, hakol ulaylim ubakol. Which one is going to explain? I Oh, I I did say bakana, but I didn't explain it well. Ubakana. Bakana is a reed. A reed Yeah, cuz he started asking me a question in the middle of that word. Bakana is a reed. You slice a reed in half, similar to what they have today, the sachs on the mat. So it's a half a kana. Very sharp sharp edges. Hakol shochtin. Everybody could shecht. Ulaylim shochtin. We have to know what that means. Ubakol shochtin. And you could shecht in every with every item. It doesn't have to be a metal knife. Chot bemagel kotzer. So what's a magel kotzer? Here. Magel kotzer has serrated blades, but they go in one direction. So the concern here is that you're going to tear the the neck and not shaq the neck. It has to be a nice smooth cut and not a tear. The magera magera is the top one. It's more like a saw also. Vashinayim teeth. With a fingernail. What's the issue What's the problem? Because it it tears at the skin and it doesn't it doesn't cut it doesn't cut smooth. Says the gemara It says that when you shaq Again, this this idea of shaq the It says If you did it with a magel yad, so you after the fact it's okay. It doesn't say you should shaq with a magel yad with a sickle. It says if you do, then it's okay. I can understand why a sickle is no good. The master As you saw Benny holding it, it has two sides. It has the serrated side and has the smooth side. So, very good that you're using the smooth side, but you might one day or a kid will see that you use that sickle. He won't know that you did it this way or that way. He'll use the wrong side. But why can't you use a stone or a reed? You can do shaq in anything with anything with a piece of glass with a with a stone. It says before shaq the stone says the gemara Our mishna that that that it says the eved is talking about that it's attached to the ground. When it's attached to the ground, it's problematic. It's not it's not the best thing. It's okay after the fact. But when it's completely detached, the stone that's detached is good. Rebbi Poisel. Rebbi says here it's possel. It says in the possel You take it in your hand. So, when it's when it's when it's connected, no good. Rebbi holds it's okay. >> whether It's like this that the animal's neck is up and then the knife is down. Or the animal's neck is down and the knife is up. money because you just told me that according to it's only after the fact. Rebbe says it's completely possible. So why you tell me it's 100% better? Rebbe here says it's only after the fact. And then and according to Rebbe for sure it can't go because Rebbe Rebbe here according to Rebbe in all situations completely no good. So how does this go? Rebbe holds it's it's in the first place you go ahead and shut like this not a problem. So why is he arguing in a case and then and it seems like he's talking about after the fact? the Rebbe to say that Rebbe is so severe his sheet is so strong that he holds that even not I hold yes but I wanted to point out that Rebbe holds that in no shape and form is the sheet okay. Now Rebbe here money. But when the our mission that says our sheet is which seems like it's only after the fact. Who does this go according to? Rebbe Rebbe here Rebbe here Rebbe yeah same question. So Rebbe here Rebbe here means even Rebbe Rebbe here. The mission that says our sheet that's okay but the Rebbe Rebbe but the problem is we just said Rebbe holds that Rebbe is not good. How can you tell me the mission says Rebbe holds that Rebbe is good? So what's the obvious answer? There's a difference whether a read is still attached to the ground and it never had a so to speak. It was always attached to the ground. So may then even be the evidence possible. But when you have a knife that was once upon a time detached and you put it into the wall with cement, that's much easier. Even though it's right now, but it once upon a time it wasn't. How do you not to make such a distinction? The sign What's the Here we go. Beautiful. Check this out. I would say. There's a knife. It's a a knife on a wheel. And he he has like a pedal. It's like a machine. Well, it says everything is kosher kosher kosher. But if there's a a knife attached to to the wall, then it's possible. What do you do? On the one hand it's on the one hand it's which one is it? I would say no, obviously the difference is shiny. The difference is whether this is grew like that. You have a read that came out of the ground, so it's always that's possible possible. But if you have a knife that was once detached and you attached it, then it's kosher. Have a wonderful day. Merit the source of spreading Torah throughout the world. 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