CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 122 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. [screaming] We're talking about it's a fascinating ofing a pig. You take a pig. People don't even say the name. You take a horse, but I like to say a pig cuz we're talking about shing a pig and what it has when you sh the pig with a knife and you do it and has to be a kosher, you're going to see all the the the on a pig, it's unbelievable. But if the the person has in mind that it should be food so it turns into food immediately and it's susceptible to if a touches it becomes [snorts] we're talking about the like we started off the you don't have to do all of it you could do a majority of them and and this thing is jumping around says that there's no is has to keep if he takes a bite out of this he's not eating because he's a [ __ ] and he's also not even by there's a big problem it if it's jumps around it's still it's still not not not it's not dead yet for Jew as soon as you do it's dead you're not it's not true there is as long as the pig is jumping around. It's convulsioning. Whatever the word is, it's it's right. Why the say agrees with him says when a Jews a pig for is still convulsing convulging convul whatever the word is says so [clears throat] if this was touched by a dead chariots becomes even though it's stillus it's it itself is not unavail to to something else. If tum touches it, it becomes tummy. If a whole limb, a whole leg comes off this, it's literally like and meat that comes over. You take a nice steak right out of it. It's meat from a live kazer. And [cough] [clears throat] um it doesn't have to if he only oh and this is never becomes if it's a limb from a live animal. So even if you kill the animal afterwards it was a limb from a live animal and it remains even to even after it dies. if heed a pig a animal one sim which is not enough. So he didn't accomplish anything with the Yeah, I think I said that. But anyway, there's a majority of one. There's no that we just discussed. If he does remember the he cuts it the wrong way, so it's not a once again. The whole concept over here is that he does a kosher on a non-cooser animal. So if you do which is not there's no there's no the whole thing is that you do a kosher without you check the knife as we're going to see in a second real it's fascinating you'reing a pig if you don't check it you do it the wrong way the wrong direction you didn't accomplish anything it's not food if it's not food touches it doesn't come to me and and on the flip side something very similar we we're talking about a Jew a non-coser animal. Now we have a nonjewing a kosher animal. Same thing. And he has a mind. The guy has a mind to make it food. Jumping around still. It conveys it. It accepts. It doesn't give off. And if you take a limb off of it when it's still jumping around, it's immediately and the meat part is like meat that comes off live animal. There's no once again same thing. This would be something that's also to somebody that that keeps the because and even after the animal itself dies, it doesn't matter. This this limb is he takes this cow a kosher animal only one sim in other words a non kosher same exact thing like we had by a pig and a pig and a cow there's no this picture right here there's no tomb at all it's why it's still and he didn't accomplish anything through the if listen to this we had a whole story I should have brought it here let's see if I have oh can't believe [snorts] it it's still here's the ka if a part of the ka okay this is a lot of it but if only she's 50% of it so this animal is not considered a traa it could live with a 50% trachea Yep. And then the Jew comes with his knife. I should have brought out my knife. So the guy goes like this. He's protecting his face with a little The guy does halfway and then the Jew takes over and goes all the way. I'm not even >> I know that's what I It's a good Why? Because the the Jew went from a non-tra position. It's not trave. And he finished it off. He did the So what about the opposite? What about if a Jew did the first 50% and the guy did the last 50%. >> It's no good. So and a Jew finished it off. It's a perfect Why? He went from an animal being kosher because it was only 50% cut and the Israel finished it off. If the Jew, let's say, did 50% of the cut and the and the nonjew came and finished it off her taste. If a person has a ty like uh what was her name? Her name yalto. She wanted to taste. So if somebody wants to taste live meat from a live animal, what's the closest he get to right after the and the animal is still kind of alive jumping around. You cut a piece out right there from that place. It's the easiest place to cut it. You salt it real good and you rinse it real good. And this is all while the animals jumping around. So what's so Rashi says this is you have to means you have to you have to salt it more than usual. Why [clears throat] say because the blood didn't have a chance to come out like it normally does normal and when he cuts it out that the blood gets absorbed in that piece of meat. So now you have to do extra action by to to take the blood out when the animal is in the process of dying. She she she moans and that causes the blood to get pushed out. We had it also by the heart that the different things different that it gets stuck sometimes. So therefore the here says there should be an extra Oh, but there's for us to eat only you're allowed to eat from an animal that's jumping around. But say you should wait around. They have even a that they have an that says you shouldn't eat from an animal still jumping. Israel and this would be allowed even for a non-Jew who by him the the death is what what uh allows him to eat it and over here you remove a piece of animal before it's completely dead he's allowed to eat it and I have a right to this a person who wants to heal he should take this meat that we're just talking out from the the place of the as the animal is still not 100% dead. He salts it very very well. He rinses it off extra well. Just wait until it completely dies and and a nonjew and a Jew are in this meat boy. We are eight lines from the bottom. What if he did shah on the of a pig? Pig. I'm talking about what? Let's go back to the beginning of those amazing pictures. He paused and then he went back and then the other one. That pause is no good. Das what's das? Downward pressure. Let me show you. I have the knife. Let me see. Oh, it's here. Fine. I don't need it. Das. He pushed downwards instead of cutting side back and forth. on a pig. The did he really the pig to the point where there's too much says that old man meaning a lot of times the knife needs a what's Oh, let's take this out. This I I never did and I don't intend to do but I can do it on the other side. What does it mean? You take your your your nail and you go on the other side of it on the sharp side. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] That's one way of doing it. Wow. >> I don't know how they do it. Put their nail on this thing. Anyway, so listen to this. When a person is checking, he has to check the knife for this. Crazy. That's why it's it's a pelvic and make in other words, in other words, what's the answer? Yes. She is no good. Is no good. You even have to you even have to check the knife. Remember what dap this was? What daff he knows don't don't say what daf does the gumar discuss if you have a ring in your stomach and the ring is t or let's say the ring is t it's green a green ring in the stomach of a human being and the person walks into the room with a dead person. So the tuma is all over the room and makes his whole body to but the ring is saved. The same thing if he has a red ring inside in other words a tummy ring inside he doesn't give off to but if you have two rings a green and a red they are mama right no maybe not >> they are they are that's the only I did in zik no one of the >> yeah yeah yeah >> no sorry So if you have something inside an animal like this so it's tar then it goes into a room of tum that I'm not sure exactly [clears throat] Why? [laughter] It just came out wrong. But that's not what he meant. He walks into a funeral home. Does the the pot remain to because it's inside his body? What's the what's the sha? Because on the one hand, this animal is susceptible to tum after you it as it's mufarus. It doesn't show it here jumping around. So a touches it, it becomes tame. So when it comes to then the clean side of it should also become tame. It's not a protector to or no we say the animal doesn't give off to of so it's still semi alive. If it's alive then it does protect from here goes through it. What it it's susceptible to it's dead it could a live animal can never become this animal could become. So if it's going to it's going to protect from the opposite it itself doesn't give off. It's not an yet. So it's not an why shouldn't they protect says let's make a a little bit of a a compromise here that since it gives off it's semi dead so it cannot protect a cle that's inside it but if somebody has relations with this animal because the animal is still We have to understand what's here. But dancing on two on the one hand it's dead on the other hand it's not in other words we're going to say it it doesn't it doesn't protect from and we're going to say for reveal. [clears throat] So he saw what's alo we had two shot either it's that uh that senue on the on the uh on the neck or it's like the piece of watermelon when you cut a watermelon you leave a little sliver of red on that white peel because you don't want white on your watermelon. That's not good. So you live you leave a little bit of the red on the thing. What do you do with it? Usually 99% of the time you throw it into the garbage. So it's garbage over here when you cut the hide off the the meat. You don't want hairs and all sorts of stuff on your steak. So you leave a little sliver of meat on the so it's garbage. So says if it's gathered together, you have a whole of this meat together then it's an says number one. We have to remember this. This is the little made it super easy. says, "This [clears throat] makes a lot of sense. We already had yesterday." A human being, an adult with Das has to gather it. You can't have a strong wind gathering it. You can have a little kid gathering it. Why? Cuz this is all dependent on gillu das on do I want this in the garbage or not? Who decides that? An adult. He says, "No, I don't I don't want this in the garbage. I want to I want to give my kids the little sliver of watermelon that's left in the thing. So number one is that you need an adult to gather it. Number two and this is we're going to have an amra goes into this repeats in it looks like he says that if you have two half zim on a piece of hide something that looks like this let's say two small pieces the hide is not coming. So look at this. They're insignificant compared to the piece of so it's nothing start. So says so let me just show it to you here. Phenomenal stuff we have this this case you have two half aim on a piece of hide. So Rishal says it's not bottle. Okay, just look at the look at the the red lo bottle says bottle comes and says what does say bottle it's bottle so who does he line up with that can't be why >> with you we change it it doesn't make sense comes says oh is right it doesn't doesn't work like that. He he's repeating over says in the Mishna. So we have to say he goes according to but it doesn't line up. He says he says so what does say is it doesn't go. You see X doesn't go. Oh it does go. If very very simple think about it logically. [clears throat] How do you how do you how do you say something is garbage? By a human being by an adult saying it's garbage. So there's a big difference if a guy with a knife, a butcher says, "This is garbage. I I'm separating this." The person cutting the watermelon says it's garbage. So it's garbage. What if a dog eats the watermelon and leaves a little red spat, a little red piece on the bottom? Is it bottle? >> He can't do it cuz he's a dog. If did it or a human being did it? When he says, he's talking about he's talking about an animal. That's why if you look closely at this picture, I think that he's trying to put like teeth marks or whatever, bite marks. The answer is, check this out. The answer is, this is the answer. Rauna is going like so. So, you asked me a question. It makes no sense. Why would he repeat something only says cuz he wanted to say ah that in both cases there's a even by a animal even a animal that that leaves over some meat it's why I there's no that's the then an animal has the right to be it's not the animal it's not the human being it's the piece of skin that's the whole okay done let's see how let's see it inside No. So we have these two we have these two in the next Mishna two. I'll leave them on. It's a little backwards the way he did it. I mean not backwards. It's just he started with here. And now I'm going to go back because you know it's just [clears throat] this doesn't line up. says and says so they don't line up. Who's talking about? No, we're going to stay here. Even though there's a big X here, it doesn't work. When is the no when an animal did it? Animal doesn't have the right to something. It doesn't have [clears throat] when a knife does it. And we you have to explain just the kitser that it's a combination of the skin and the human being. There's a bit from the skin but that's not enough right the hide is matal because it's a lot of hide very little meat half his eyes half his eyes together with the human being saying it's like the the watermelon peel is together with the the adult that says okay it's garbage. Now, we're just going back to the to the other case. If there's pieces that are gathered, if they are gathered in one place, a human being has to do it. If there's no again, if it's bottle, think about it. If I throw a piece of watermelon into the garbage, the the the peel of the watermelon with a little sliver of red on it, I throw into the garbage. My wife throws it into the garbage. Could I go into the garbage? Whoa. I want it. I take it out of the garbage. Could I make it food? After she decided it's no longer food, it's garbage. She was matalith. Could I go unvatal? >> No. >> No. Can't do it. Once you once it's not food, it's not food. I can't take something that's non food and make it into food. I can make food into non food. I can't make non food into food. So it can't be that it's bottle. How does say I'm going to gather a piece from here, a piece from here. Put it together. Boom. I have a kaz. But it's already bottle. So he must say that it wasn't. But guess what? If you remember here, look at this chart. What what does it say here? Rishmal says that when it's a knife, a human being does it, it's bottle. So you can't tell me that holds bottle. It's a problem. We just established that with a knife holds but don't tell me with a knife holds but if it's but how does Runa say that you can gather it together? You can't gather it together. This here look if you hold it it works well. If you hold like we just tried to say a second ago that holds then it doesn't work. So it says that like we said before so you must say that according to it's not bottle otherwise it doesn't work here go up again what's going on here just slow everything is fine if it's not bottle if the little pieces of watermelon are not bottled there's still food so then I could say take a little piece of watermelon a earlier together I have elk is it works out fine so I have to say it's loyal so if it's lob I have a major problem in this chart yeah here look le what happens in lob it doesn't line up with the ravuna that says but so I have to go back to over here I have to say but ravuna lines up with the raika but you see how ravuna lines up with the raika says ravuna says perfect what's the problem you ask me what is ravuna later generation coming to to add the answer is very simple. He's going to say a major kesh that even when there's an animal involved here like this here just to throw in there why not when this is the situation you have a tiger this is a kay that killed an animal and left on the hideokim two half a zimm right over there of me all that for that is it bottle or not but bottle bottle or not but bottle the answer is that that's a major said according to it's bottle even A a tiger did this is being that this works that this is a but an animal did it not being the answer is I don't care who did it it's to hide the the skin it's a large piece of skin it's the the two and that's the end of the in that that the first case the other case [clears throat] in this case when you have who have his he lines up. Well, you ask me the question. No, it's not a when a human being does it. You see, it's a code means a human being means no D. It's not a D. It's not. It's the hide [clears throat] gets rid of the does the B for us. So therefore if the height does it doesn't mean doesn't matter who does it if a human being does it and it actually says why does say that the height itself does now we have a very easy right now you could wake up brand new there are hides until now a hide we said a hide is not a hide is It's not meat. It's a hide. Is a It's a thick It's like a bone. Is a bone tummy? No. Hides are not tummy. But there's an exception to the rule. Very few hides in the world have to act like like meat. Human human skin. And a domesticated pig. Very soft skin. the the the the hump of a very soft camel which is going to talk about a year old doesn't have a you never you never used it to to carry uh a load and the the skin on the head of a young calf and the the the skin around the feet of an animal we're going to see and the and a female the private parts and the the skin of a fetus, a dead fetus. Also soft skins. These are all soft skins. The skin underneath the tail. These are from theim here. These guys, the snail, the lizard. We saw in Florida a lot of them. It doesn't have skin. It's like a It's like a rat. He says all are not the the hides are not soft and not edible. So is going on in the beginning of the Mishna that these are the the first words of the Mishna. The human skin is like meat. Now it doesn't talk about um tanning it. What's a better word for for Eb to >> No, no, not working. >> Processing like we saw we should have shown the video in Morocco. Wow. The So we're talking about regular skin. Listen to this. This is this is frightening this line over here. Human flesh is skin is tar. Well, what's the reason? A person will take his father's skin after he dies and make it into a carpet. Now, they explain they do well, it's very similar to today that they do cremation and then they take the ashes and they put it on top of the fireplace. This is like it's so there's another way of doing it. You take off the skin and you put it on a frame in your living room. like it's tati skin just remember the you know so some say that this is going in the beginning of the Mishna [clears throat] and some say this whole thing at the at the end of the Mishna we're calling we're not talking about regular skin we're talking about skin that was tanned the guy on the treadmill he went four mil whatever it is but even on a human skin that doesn't on that we're concerned that a person going to make his father mother's skin into a carpet but that's after it's >> processed the one who says that it's not processed certainly when it's processed it's only but if you say it on the where it's processed that I could understand it's abundance already processed. But if it's the unprocessed skin of a human being, that's the what's on this wild boar. This is tough and it's not edible and a and a domesticated is soft food. Cook it up enough in Hawaii. Whatever. There's people somewhere that eat it. So is considered food. You have the hump of of a camel that's soft. What's this? How what's the age? It's not an age. It's a it's a thing. If you didn't if you didn't put a load on it, then it's still soft. What about is it a siba or it's a simmon? Is it a fact that you have to put the the load on? Or is it's an age that you could put a load on? What if you did it you you jumped the gun and the thing's only two two weeks old and you're putting loads on it? Did you ruin the skin? What's the What's the What's the How old or how what is it? What's this soft camel? He said over from calls. I'll tell you what it is. It's not putting a load on. This is asking the question. He was he was so appreciative. Sit down here. I have to give you just taught me something. Now what happened? Same story but a little bit of a different outcome. Was asking the same question. What's the soft camel? and he says same answer. So was saying it you only have one thing to say. You already said it. Why are you saying it again? And it gave him big says. So explains this whole thing. We have to read it inside. Why you why you saying it? You said it already. You want to show how smart you are? Says says he's the tough one for how do you know? Says if would walk in the street with a certain person, you knew he's the most trustworthy person. You could give that other guy money. Wouldn't talk to anybody. You walked over to not talking to you. Tough. Yet how much cover did he give somebody taught him one piece of Tyra sit down over here you're my you're my he came from bubble so I know we have to see this stories that we have to remember says he he fasted 40 days to forget everything he learned in he wanted to start a fresh start every 30 days he'd go into an oven to see if he if he's worthy or not. Another story that I was uh very very left a big regime on me. He ded and fast fasted fasted not fasted that shouldn't die because if die he would become I don't want to bear he's goes into thing yet if somebody said a little thing off boom how we got to turn the page a young calf is a year old within the year as long as he nurses we ask the What was saying does he say has you have to have two things a year old and nurses said what does that mean that even if it's after a year old says as long as he nurses could be three years old the nurses he is considered a young calf and the skin is soft a year It doesn't matter if he nurse or not. He must nurse. We're just going to go to one more line says as long as he is true that you need two two conditions. It has to be a year old and and nurse said he must be nursing. So when he says means no as long as he's nursing. That says you need two conditions says you only need one that he's nursing. Have a wonderful day. [music] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. 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