CHAZARAH - Bechoros Daf 20 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

You sm [music] [music and singing] [music] I shall shall. >> [music] [singing] >> Okay, so let's just recap real quickly. The gumar tells us that if an animal you buy an animal and you don't know if it gave birth, didn't give birth [cough] and it gives birth after it's a year old. Let's talk about a goat. A goat gives birth after a year after a year. So it's a suffic now perhaps it gave birth earlier in the year because uh goat's pregnancy is 5 months. So perhaps it was pregnant gave birth and what you're having right now is a second birth and there's no the discusses but what do you mean maybe it's a v when you have a it's v most goats get pregnant right away within the year what you're dealing with right now is not a bkar it's v you don't have to wait for a m you don't have to wait for it just need it it's yours so the says says, "No, there's a big enough between uh a that's is less." If the R is right in front of you, you have nine stores that sell kosher and one store that sells trade. It's in front of you. You see the If you have 12 Sanhedrin that say uh this and 11 say no. So you have the R in front of you. You go by the R 12 against 11. Uh when you don't have a R, you have the you have the uh the goats. Most goats, you don't have the R, you don't have all the goats in front of you. So since you don't have goats in front of you, that's a that's not in. So says, "But what about ye?" We're talking about yum. You say, "Oh, this individual, >> maybe it came from him." >> Relax. Nine stalls kosher, one knot. The majority is right in front of us. Classic ruba dea. Come on. >> Come on. >> Very good. Very good. Okay. So what about the fact that we're so concerned about a young kid being a sorus and it's only a mute and it's all these kids are not in front of us. So says two lines from the top of today's is crazy. When do say that that there's a in front of us? Not in front of us. When we're talking about a human being, most humans are notem. So even if they're not in front of us, we can use the why because you don't need any action to be taken. But to say that a goat gets pregnant now pregnant that's dependent on action. They have to be in front of us. And if they're not in front of us, we don't go with the so we don't go with the of of goats. This is the sir. >> Okay. Now, we're going to bring four different opinions and see if you could [clears throat] see the difference in the opinions. They they're kind of similar. And the is going to explain obviously what the difference between all the differences between the opinions. The first two, the second two. There's a lot of here also a lot of a lot a lot that we saw already in the Mishna. We're familiar with it. If you bought a goat and she gave birth in the first year of her life, then that means this is the first birth of this goat. A goat cannot give birth twice in the same year. Especially if she was just born, she needs a few months to develop, to mature. only then she could give get pregnant give birth and then get pregnant give birth again it's impossible within one year it's each pregnancy is five months so she gave birth and she's 11 months and 20 days so you know that this is the first pregnancy mat it's 100% and therefore but once it's past that year the same exact thing we say by a sheep and by a Cow just we push off the years difference three years old after three years. What about a donkey? Three years. Donkey is four years. If she gave birth in the first four years of her life 100% to the kite. Okay. We saw this in the mistake. If you're just looking at births, great. Unfortunately, I heard the Shilam Mish there people in this room that that told me this this unfortunate circumstance that happened with their children. You have a young couple get married and unfortunately there's a there's a miscarriage and then they get pregnant and then there's a regular birth. Do you do pin? Do you do pinion ben on it? So depends. If the miscarriage was within the first 40 days of the pregnancy then you can do a pin. If it's after 40 days, I'm not a rough, I'm not passing. This is just the general. If it's after 40 days, so it's a viable pregnancy. So that miscarriage is considered a birth. Birth number one. Birth number two came out. There's a full term baby. It's not not a anymore. You don't do. So that's the idea of Tino. So what? You forgot about Tino. So what if you forgot about Tino? Tino, the guy comes and he sees something on the ground over there. He doesn't know what it is exactly. The gonna describe it. Clumps, not clumps, but the point is it might have been a miscarriage of this animal. And if the animal had a miscarriage, then the next the next vlad is not. And what if you didn't see the tino? But maybe there was a ten. You see the saying there's a suffic here. So we're going to go into it. Do we have to be concerned about a ten? Not concerned. But let's say let's say I'm concerned about a ten. I'm concerned. I never even saw this uh this little puddle whatever. I don't know what it is. I I don't know that there was even one but maybe there was and may maybe this is the second birth. So when it comes to larger animal it's not enough a little you need a after birth when it comes to a woman and after birth. Oh, so that who said this up until now said in the name of >> I a little different. This is what the is going to call later his and what his rebi said is gumare. It's the garra. It's what he learned from his rabbim. This gum and this what is the difference between the two? Let's read it. I don't say like you like like my rebi if she had a little which the you know they don't get they don't go into it. He's saying, you know, if there's a bash when she's six months up until six months, you let this she can still give birth. Oh, and if she still still give birth, let's say she had a Tina when she was 6 months old, there's still a possibility of her being pregnant for a full 5 months afterwards and still being within the year and it's possible that it's not a real So now we go to it's different within two years. They meet the zoo. I'm arguing you. That's a word about the if I know for a fact that she gave birth beforehand. So this second birth, there's a second birth. Second birth by what? >> By going. >> Yeah. Doesn't matter where. If I know that this animal gave birth and the storyless waiting over a fact that by the wherever it was it didn't have a baby it never this is the first born you give it to the you have no idea you can't trust the says let's talk about the first two so we have actually four different here what's the original about of six months, not six. Do does a little a little uh staining soiling. Does that actually give a and say that there was a viable baby before this birth from say it's not enough perhaps is whether or not soiling means that there was another birth beforehand. Says, "Wait a minute. If I saw it, no, no, no. There's no there's no if there was a real miscarriage over here, then that that's considered the first birth. Everything after that is the second one." Do I This is This makes a lot of sense. Do you have to be concerned that there was a I never saw? Why? I think there was says that most don't have [clears throat] says we have to be for the says that what do we Hey don't give birth. So if throughout says over here in our he's not when he when is he makes a lot of sense. What are you trying to do over here? You're trying to say that the guy does not have to give his animal to a kayen. He could save himself $1,000, keep the animal for himself cuz maybe there was a ten maybe there was a birth before. Oh, on that maybe on the little sad on the 10% that there's a ten you want to you want to be make. You want to keep an animal for yourself. No, no, no, no. I use [clears throat] I use for [snorts] to say that this that this right now because maybe he's going to turn out to be a sorus. I'm gonna be I'm not gonna be No, it's not true for even for Is it possible that after she could still get pregnant and have a fullterm pregnancy of 5 months within the year? says, "No, from the fact that she gave birth, it shows us that this is the first pregnancy and there's no it's possible to do both and now as we saw the here it is He says, "Oh, what if there's soiling?" He says, "I whole." No, if there's tino, there's soiling when she's up to 6 months. What's going on here exactly? [cough] [clears throat] What what is he saying different than the stuck in 6 months? But what what does it mean? How does it work? So, we could do this vulp for a second. It's very simple. Let's say an animal did not have ten the first six months of her life. She had tino on month exactly when she was 6 months old. How many months does she have left to the year? Six. Five months of pregnancy. That leaves her a month. Now there's a question. How long does Tino last also a physical thing? Can she become pregnant when she sees Tino on day one of month seven? Right. 6 months nothing. Day one of day of month seven she had ten. >> Could she get pregnant? Does she physically get pregnant? Does she is she interested >> in mating whatever in in those in that month? So says no. One month she's out of the par. So what does that leave us? Exactly 5 months. So she let's say she got pregnant at the end of that month. Well, she has to be pregnant for exactly 5 months. She can't give birth one day early one day later. How do we know this? Because it says in the it says in it says the word if you do the math where is it all here take a look just the the is 200 is another 60 and then 11 in is 11. What's the mammatria total? >> 271. Now pregnancy lasts for 30 days times 9. 9 months of 30. 9 * 30 is how much? >> 270. So you see from the Pik that the birth occurs a day after the 9 months. The immor takes it as very solid, very serious. The same thing with an animal. Anna will not give birth before the five months. It has to have the complete term. So it goes back like this. If there was tino, listen to you hear the the the concept. If there was tino on month six, at the end of month six, 6 months left to the year that last for 30 days according to Ziri, unless you don't hold like ziri and then she gave birth at 4 and 1/2 months. So you know that she there was never Tino. It was imposs if she gave birth at month 11 and a half. How's it possible? 6 months plus 30 days is 7 months. And then you need a full 5 months to get to the end. And then you're past the year. She's already year and a day until she can physically give birth. She gave birth 3 4 days earlier to two weeks earlier. That's a raya that there's never ten here. So it goes like this. It [clears throat] was here in a in a visual. There's a birth at the end of so now we're looking at the whole year. First six months no tino tino happened month six. Now it depends if you hold like zir or not. Zir says you got to knock out one whole month. So how many months are we left with? Exactly five months. 8 9 10 11 12 that's 5 months. So she would have to give birth on on the first. If she gave birth anywhere before the first anissum, that's proof that there was no tino after 6 months. That's if you don't know. Okay, let's see inside. What is the between I'll show it again what is Rebi's Rebi told him and what he himself says from logic she was she soiled after 6 months and says do we hold What does that mean? Physically she won't allow that takes 30 days according to this you have to wait another 30 days then it doesn't allow you to have a full five months in that year. So anything any birth that happened before the five months means that there was no and this is a less lady but he himself holds I don't hold of ziri mah if he saw tino at month six she came pregnant the next day she she has five full months and then some to have a baby and it's not a maybe it's a suffic now it's Yeah. Everybody else. Now we're going to do the same thing in two variations. Two more variations. Another. So again, everything we just discussed, but on the final day of the year. Can this animal can this animal give birth on the final day at 12:00 in the afternoon or she has to wait until the final day? I don't know if we need charts for this cuz I think we all understand what's what's going on here. Whoa. Oh, give birth the middle. Is what is it possible to give birth in full? Do you say no? full five months. Full five months and therefore the birth could only be if she gave birth in the middle of the day it's there's no before and the same thing we're going to do again according to his impossible she gave birth that day means that what there's another chart here we need another chart oh that means there's no t But according to my own it's possible to give birth. So maybe it's not a real. No, no one says that you could give birth that that final day on half days on this. Not whether or not do we say the part of the days like the whole day. mix. No. Does Does the the fact the fact the last day at 12:00 in the afternoon is as if it's already the next day. >> But that that's already not that's already. Do we say a little bit? Huh? 29* 30 is an extra day. >> Okay. That's you know to be discussed as the now we just have to discuss and at the end of the day if says the mission she gave birth in middle of the year any time during the year it's a sophik when you that an animal is able to nurse. Does it indicate to us that she already had a baby? How else is she nursing? Yeah. From the fact that she's nursing, she's a a cow that's nursing. How does she have milk? Obviously, she had a baby. She had a baby. And this new baby over here is the second baby, not the first. Most animals do not have milk unless they give birth. There are some that Yes. Here's a video even. [screaming] So said no there are asking. So here this is Yeshua says what's going on here. A woman gets married and her husband dies and they don't have children. So typically speaking she falls to Eb. She has to marry her brother-in-law. But what if she doesn't have her brother-in-law? She can get married to anyone. But over here, she has a mother-in-law. She has a mother-in-law. So, do we have to be that her mother-in-law had another kid? She can't get married. I don't know where her mother-in-law is. Her mother-in-law might be in Russia somewhere. If the mother-in-law left when she was in the MV, Yes, is full. Yeah, she left when she was pregnant. So, I have to be concerned that she gave birth and she has a brother-in-law somewhere. >> Oh, but what did she give birth to? She gave birth to what? Huh? >> Maybe it's a girl. >> It was a girl. >> I just thought about something. I I think I once went through this question in my head. I just realized this now. The question. Okay. Why? Most pregnant women give birth. [clears throat] But there's a few, let's call it 5% that miscarried. So now males all of a sudden become the for because you need you need a z Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah, you're right. So what what are the chances that the mother-in-law gave birth to a male? 50/50. But also this is the 10% or 5% of miscarriages. Maybe she didn't give birth at all. So, >> so we have a contradiction between when it comes to milks to so all we have to do is flip it around. You do and in fact we have milk is an indication that there was a Vlad beforehand according to if you look before it was the opposite. Yeah. Before he said, so it's a it's a nice Thank you so much for coming. Thank you for joining. Have a wonderful day. >> [music and singing] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.