CHAZARAH - Bechoros Daf 19 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Jesus. [music] [singing] Good morning, BOYS. [screaming] >> WOW. Little late today. Oh wow. >> Okay. >> Today is a boy. [laughter] >> Wow. What a day. What a day. So we're holding and it's super easy. We had most of these cases. If I ask you these cases about P, you'll you'll see this. These are the three cases that we're going to go into. The one all the way in the right on the bottom, the middle on the bottom, and the left on the bottom. What's going on here? We have two sheep. They never gave birth. And we we find we find that they gave birth to two males. Just we don't know who gave birth to who. Okay. Is that a problem? What does the kind get? Obviously, these are two. There's no question that the we just don't know which mother. So then the gets both. That's not a problem. There's a zah and ana. One is for sure akar cuz regardless one is for sure not a she's in aa. So the ken we don't even need a mission for this. The cen gets the bkar. The owner gets the if it's two different owners it would be a big problem which owner. But okay one owner he gets the nva obviously. But here's the here's the interesting case and that is that they gave birth to two males and one female. Now it's possible it's possible one of them is for sure one of the males is for sure but one of the males is not for sure because it's possible that the girl was born first to to her mother and afterwards her brother or the brother was first. So it's the suffix. Okay. So these are the three cases but we go through the three cases in different ways and we're going to see in the why we need all the cases says the this is the simplest case two sheep that never had offspring and now they both had one offspring and it was a male that's so obvious name. This is for the buildup. If one gave birth to zak that's for sure the other one gave birth to aa it's for sure not then the get there's no suffic here because there's two mothers who didn't give birth ever so one of them is for sure here's where you have the suffic because we don't know when the female was born maybe it was born to its mother first and obviously one of these two had twins one didn't have a twin, one didn't did. The one that didn't have a twin. Okay. So maybe gave birth to a girl, maybe gave birth to a boy. So So it's a subject. And if you say that she gave birth to a girl, so then the other one for sure gave birth first to a boy because she gave birth to two boys. This for sure this for sure and a possible notar. Maybe the was born first. So the gets one, the owner gets one. So what do you do? But you don't know which one. Which one of the two of these males and so one of the goes to the but which one? How do you choose? So once again the already told us that retracted. But kind of thing once it's in the we keep it there. Why? What was the why would the client get whatever he wants to choose? Because this logic that the the stronger one came out first and if that's the one that came out first the has the right to choose the better one. So we already explained means that the is gets the larger better one whatever he wants the second one which is a sufficar but on the it's not aar you have no right to eat it you can't eat so you let it graze and then you have to treat it as not you give the gifts you don't have to give the gifts You have two males and one of them dies and you have a stroll that want the leftover. Let's split it down the middle here. The would have to bring a that it's his and the one that died is not his. Now, it's possible that the two sheep that never gave birth gave birth to two females first because there's two females. There's one. It's basically the same case. We're just adding sheep over here. And going to say, why do you need another case? You have four sheep that they gave birth to. Two, two. It's possible came out first doesn't get anything cuz maybe the two females were born first. Oh, so this becomes interesting. The one on the right has a child already previously. The one on the left never had a child and then they gave birth to twoarim. So one obviously is not aar because the one on the right the mother on the right already had children already had offspring. There's no there's noar in that situation. So one of them goes to the one of them doesn't go to the once again the the first the first over here he's going to say the first child birth is a stronger child birth. And that's the that's the there's only two there's two you're looking at them the stronger one came from the from the sheep that never had children before the the owner gets the better one not the so as we explained yesterday that since there are two sheep here that we're discussing One is a let's call it a weaker sheep, a broken sheep. One is a stronger sheep. The cen gets the stronger one. The Israel gets the weaker one. But what happened was it was a transaction since there's two. So it's as if the took the weak one. He was he acquired the weak one. It's as if he acquired the weak one and he gave it to the to the instead of they made a switch. I'll give you the weak one that's worth $500 and you'll give me the the the the big one that's worth $1,000. There was a transaction. It wasn't it wasn't the B. I don't know if that's the right word. It wasn't a a split like you know you get 50. No, first the it happened in steps. First the acquired it then he gave it to the Israel here like in this video we'll show it again. I don't I don't remember how much I showed yesterday if I showed it at all. So anytime you have a says if you bought it from when you buy from there's no mat says no we don't say we don't have this whole transaction one of the sheep died in the case where you have two mothers one had offspring before going back let's see you have the mother on the guy done sitting on the log. She already has offspring as you can see. Then we found that the two mothers gave birth. One to Z or one to Nika. Now it's very possible that the Nika was delivered by the sheep on the left. The sheep on the left never had offspring. Her first offspring was ava. There's no there's noar the the sheep on the right who has offspring. She delivered a zak also. No nokar because she already has offspring. So I just show you like this is what I did. I put it into the system and this is what came out. I I like this better. So these are the three cases that we discussed there. One a single sheep a single sheep that never had offspring gave birth to two to two males. Obviously there's there's a over here. Great. Then you have two sheep who gave birth to two and one. So it's not so pure that there's two because it could be that one of the sheep gave birth to an ava. So it's only one for sure. The kind takes one. And then we had a situation of two sheep. One already has offspring. one doesn't and they both gave birth to two >> to what >> two two but it's for sure the same thing like or so why do you need three repetitive cases really I need all three cases I just I'm leaving it here on the screen so we see very very simple the simplest case of one sheep giving birth to two You have two sheep being born from one sheep. But you have when you have two the case of two mothers, what happened? One gave birth to twins. One gave birth to a single animal. Let me show you the video and then it'll be very very understood. >> Hello. Yes, twins. >> You see she has twins. She's holding tiny little things in her hand. >> Barely see them. >> Find my Google recipe. >> One cup of oil, not two. That's why yours came out like a brick. >> Quick, the stroller. >> So, we give birth to one. It's a little heavier. >> All right. So, [clears throat] Oh, so now that we know this, >> now it's posh. Now, right now, think about it for a second. You ever see twins that were born? They're tiny. What? The each one is 2 lbs. Whatever. I don't know. The the three lbs. Little tiny things. You have a You have a a firstborn. Uh, not a firstborn, a single there. Sometimes a gizont fest with all this hair, you know, ponytail comes out as a >> Yeah. So, when you have two sheep, one gave birth to twins, one gave birth to one, you can figure it out yourself. Who gave birth to the single one? If it's a male, you know, oh, it's a one who gave birth to one. It's a one and that's a for sure. And if you only said the second case with his one gave birth to two and the other one gave birth to one. But how come in this case says that gets the the weaker one. Why? Because oh both of the mothers in the middle case both of the mothers never gave birth before. But in the case where the the one on the right we said had offspring. The one on the left didn't very different case. We had gimarus before where the firstborn child period firstborn offspring of is very very tasty very big. There there's something to it. There's a there's a a little nuance in every case. So now we have something interesting that we might have not thought about it. There's a there's a riddle. How is it possible that a mother gave birth an animal? An animal gave birth to two males. Both of them are a [clears throat and cough] but they're not twins. Both of them are are bur and they're not twins. So based on what we're going to see here, there's possible that if one was born with a C-section and one was born naturally, the both why the one born through a C-section, he's not a real because he's not aim from the womb, but he he came he's born first in a way he's a Bkar in one way. He's a he's a firstborn. He sits next to his father by the shabas table, you know, he gets >> hear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a He's not a You don't do a butus, right? >> Oh, perfect. He gets pish. This sheep is going to get the the second the second the second one. He's on fire today. The second one is a real bar. It came from the the womb opening, the opening of the womb. It's a different type of it's it's aar for that. He's not the first, but he's a listen to this. One sheep came out through ceserian. So it's not a real but the second one came out naturally. So what do you do now? We got a suffic he holds. So that answers the riddle in this case where the first one was born through the second was born naturally. So both of them have the sort of accord to say they're both or no they're not because you need two conditions. You need two conditions. If you need that has to be first born but also if you have one of these two that's only one sad says one of these two is great the first one was born he was first born yeah but it's first that's enough to have the red and it's also enough maybe to have the the blue first of the womb It's not tomorrow. What's the source of the retire from? If you have one of these two things on the screen, first born. Yeah, I don't care how. Take him out any way you want. Cesarian, cesarian, but he's first born. He's a little bit of aar look like like we said he gets he gets a double portion of the it's not it's not a joke. It's not that he he's not a at all or the second one he was born a year later but he's a [clears throat] suffic if you only have one condition it's nothing according to if you want to dance with the rebi and you want to be mishk in the sim For real, for real. Then come on Thursday for that. We we the friends made a special shas for Rebelli and the family. So that is our MDY. Thank you appreciation for everything he gives and >> not at the wedding. It's the next day. That's what we're doing for him. >> Says the but listen to this. This is very we don't really see this kind of very often. We know a cl and a pratt, right? There's a cl and a pratt and a pratt and a cl. Meaning sometimes the says one one word. It's very general. Yeah. Let's say the t says a tree. Could be any tree. Could be a olive tree, a orange tree. And then there says no just the date tree and a paragraph. So it's the cl very general. And then it tells you what we're talking about. Now we're talking about something different slightly that also what I just mentioned but also something called if the Torah just has a general thing I have no clue what's going on I don't know I could go in two different directions it's not tree and I could go to all trees it's tree but did it mean grass or mean tree like I could go in two different ways that they both they don't line up it's either this or this but the prat explains to me Exactly what the cloud is. Very simple. Okay, now we know. So means any firstborn including a female. So that's really a clopath. A regular clop. Here that's a typical. I said tree. It means all trees. I said allarim I don't know ceserian female the first so we're not yet at that maybe means even a female no it can't mean a female it says where it says check out this has to be a male only so now This is a this is a a class of maybe it's a it's the first male [clears throat] first male. Now, yes, there was there was a female that was born last year, but he's the first and that's what is he said. The word is not so clear. It's the first coming out of the womb, but we don't understand what it could be. The first coming out of the womb or it can mean the first male coming out. So, that that's what it means. It's a cloud circle of prat. It's very vague. What does mean first coming out of the womb? It could mean a boy or it can mean a girl. It can't mean both. Which one is it? It's a clim. Anything that comes first out of the womb and then comes the and and and and minimize it >> tightens it up >> specifies it tightens up. No zah. Okay. So that's that ideal. But if it's the first coming out of the womb look the first was born and this is the first of the even though it's born a year later to be a so then it comes the word no it has to be first [clears throat] if you notice start over from the When the Gar asks maybe the first born is is ana it doesn't say it says it could be even ana how come the gimar doesn't answer no it can't be ana because it says the word bkar can't be a it means the word bkar the answer is because bkar can mean a male that was born after a female how can mean that because it's a all you need is one condition. Maybe the fact that the Gar didn't bring the word means firstborn. How could it mean a from that the fact that Gar didn't bring the word bakar all the way in the beginning it it seems like the Gar understood that that wouldn't be enough to say the word Bakar. Why? Because even a a zak that's born afterwards is also a Bkar. It has a one. So the problem is the next case the case of born after >> c-section >> a c-section. There's a c-section. Then there was a pim. Then the does use the word bkar. In that case it's also one sad. It's only one out of the two conditions. So now all of a sudden we're saying that one condition is enough. Before we said one condition is not in this case one condition is not enough when the was born first and in this case all saying one condition is enough. So which one is it? Is one condition enough not enough? That's his question. But when he's born, a male is born after a male, then all of a sudden we we we we introduce the word. Oh, it says and and this is not a why because one one condition is not enough. One condition is enough, not enough. Which one is it? [cough] No. No. We Yes. From from from the This is what it meant to say in the if the Ty just said the word. What the case is one one birth. We're not talking about two. She gave birth to two. One birth. One z comes out ceserian. Maybe that's a maybe that's a bkar. For that I need a pos and and for that I can't say bkar. You ask me how come I didn't use the word bkar in data. You didn't get the question. It's not a question if he's a bkar or not a bkar. He he's the first born. He is a Bkar. I want to know how do you know that a male born through ceserian is not a bkar. So you can't use the wordar on that. It doesn't for that I need I need something else. I need a different word. If you understand the question you'll understand why we didn't use the word. It's not a that's why I need the word. That's why I didn't introduce the word. It's over there. Let's go the opposite says no like in the what one one side is enough in the end it says in other words argues on on a over here what is even one thing if you think that coming being born after ceserian he's the second one he's the second birth after it should just say so in other words he's not really learning from the word he's explaining fun of if it's just coming to to to take out the case of female the male that I that I don't need that I I don't need the word then I learned So the word is coming to exclude a case where he's born after cesarian but he's not defining what means he's just saying and not coming out of after you're a told that Bkar just one little part of Bkar that's enough to be bakar aba argues says no you need the whole thing the whole bkar has to it has to be uh it has to be the first birth it has to have both but you say no one is enough so he has a bomb question listen to this if they're both males the first and the second one just one was born to zero one was born regularly. So, okay. So, you have a situation where the the second one is actually the first to to the to the womb, but not a first z. But the other case where the first one was in a cava, we have a major problem. According to you, the one side is enough. So, it comes out When the first female was born, we have a big problem of it. >> Oh, there should be he should be a real why. Yes, he was born after a female, but first of all, he's the first male and also he's the first came out of the womb. She came. So you see from here that no means that one side is not enough. You need both. You need everything. We discussed this a number of time. You try to buy uh you try to get aim. So think about how complicated it is. You go there and you ask the guy the the non-Jew the you know cousin do you have a you have a something that never gave birth. Of course. Yeah. I hear this. How do you know what where? No. No, no. Trust, trust. Are you going to trust that guy? And we have a live video of how that looks like. Hold on a second. [clears throat] Here. >> I'm looking for a sheep. He doesn't know. You know, you could you could tell if this is a small goat. It's less than a year old. It's impossible. He said, "How long is a goat pregnancy?" 5 months. So if it's a year old, how did it have two pregnancies? When it was two months old, it got pregnant and it gave birth and then that day got pregnant again and gave birth again. 10 months of pregnancy and she's only a year old. Impossible. If if a one-year-old goat is giving birth, then you know it's the first birth. You know, we're talking about over here. And the same thing with all animals and afterward more than that, I don't know, it's a safar is going to ask why is it a suffic? It's 100%. She gave birth before That's the that's we know how animals work. And we talking about sheep. Same same logic, but it's two years old. Go to larger animals. If she gave birth twice, it can't be that she gave birth twice because she only matures by 3 years old. Can't be that that a cow gives birth twice in its first three years and different ask. But we see for a fact that they do. So then becomes a whole question when you see a fact that's that that contradicts a Mishna. How do you pass? Do we stick with the Mishna? Do we change the facts? The whole thing you're missing a point here. He says, you know, if you're talking about a full pregnancy, five months pregnancy for a goat and then another five months, you're right. 5 plus 5 is 10. It's impossible. She was pregnant 10 months within a year. But one little thing you forgot, it's called what if she had a little miscarriage in month one and then after that there's no there's no there's no there's no after that you'll be right. >> If you have a little bit I'm I'm just showing this. I was debating whether or not but it comes up tomorrow in the thing. So Tina was just you see something on the floor something next to her you know there was some sort of beginning of pregnancy. So there's after birth talking about a human being uh you need the after birth and embroer but it's possible that that that the within a year you had a plus a pregnancy. If you know for a fact that she gave birth that this is the first first time she gave birth obviously no if she gave birth before this is the second time if she never gave birth before then 100% goes you're buying from a telling you different stories you have a so you you treat it with and then you eat it and then you give okay then the owner it. Should we just let's do this piece. Do you have you have a majority? What's a majority? Most animals this just gave birth in year two obviously gave birth before because there's a majority 51% give birth like that. I can tell you for a fact that she that that she gave birth throughout we were going to say the when it comes to he's always concerned about the minority. So this is a suga that when I learned in yeshiva I I got what they call traa but this is so posit we have a video 30 second video it's posh if if it's in front of you that's a good r then I go by the majority but if the majority is not in front of you then not what's a good case going for Sanhedrin Sanhedrin you have 23 Sanhedrin 12 say like this 11 say like that but they're in front of me the roy the 12 against 11 they win hair. Beautiful. I love this guy's neck. This one of the best parts of the video. So, what about small children that fell on over there? Even though they're not in front of us with the tragedy happened and the little kid, he's the his brother died without children and now his sister-in-law falls to him and does he marry her? No, we have to wait until he becomes a why they do they don't do that's what says the famous we understand why it says the word is but why not we'll find out that he is not able to bear children and on marrying a sister-in-law and also the herself Maybe it'll turn out that when she becomes 20 years old, you'll see that she never had children and she's an island. And then turns out that you're on marrying a sister-in-law. But let's go with the most children. See, and we do even though it's not in front of us, we go with the minority with the How do you say the opposite of majority? >> Okay, I don't like that word. And have a wonderful day. [music] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysonsor.com or sponsor at mdyop.com.