CHAZARAH - Bechoros Daf 16 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. We're holding base. Don't worry. We will be catching up this week. Maybe even at the itself or the next day. We're holding by the wide line. First wide line. Now we're discussing an animal that became heish. You took an animal and you designated it as a carbon. It's a carbon and then it got a m. So it's called a goof. Then came it became a bum and then it gave birth. So let's see this. This was very cool. Then no wrong one wrong one. No, no, no. That's the difference. Okay. I wanted this part. This Abra. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. This is the wrong one because there's the he came first then came the the mum. So in that case where the animal got pregnant and afterwards they redeemed the animal and then she gave birth. Okay. So again it's a lot of steps. You made animal you said this animal is a kus then it broke its leg then it got pregnant then you redeemed it. Then it gave birth. What do you do with the with the offspring? What do you do? Goes through it. If they were born before you redeemed it, that's the question is how how much do they have enough to put it on the boom? You take the offspring, put it on. Well, that's a Vlad. Forget that. The the offspring of put it on. Some say no. What do you do? The famous This is just for the the new guys. They haven't seen this. You sent to a special place. You let it graze in your backyard or you wait and hope that it breaks a bone or something. Oh, it's missing parts. This is the British version. Okay. What? Okay. You put it, you let it graze and it breaks the leg or something. So, what do you do after after you redeem it? That's the question. So, we have Hey Mason, I'm telling you, one person makes a comment and it lasts a lifetime. Dr. Epstein made a comment eight years ago in here. He doesn't make a lot of comments. I I might He maybe made two three comments in the last eight years, but this comment sticks with me. He did he didn't appreciate it. He didn't understand. Why would you take it an animal and put him in a room without any food? >> Like is that is that the is that nice says there's nothing you can do with this animal. You can't put it on the m you can't redeem it. You don't want it to stick around and and graze with the other sheep cuz you might come to use it and it has. So what do you do? Rauna says keep sad. Very sad. What you The goes through the steps. What you do? You can't put on the think about it. Its mother was let's say so. Then one day you said it cannot be put on the because it broke its leg and it has has a permanent blemish. So it's near it was for the then it was pushed off from the misb then it got pregnant. So what is its offspring? What what what the offspring has of in it? It's not you can't say that the offspring has for the for the when the mother itself cannot be put on the the the offspring can't be more than its own mother. That was a what should you do? So so redeem it. What's the problem? You cannot. Why? Because in fact the is like the mother and it doesn't even have really it it the leaves together with the mother when the mother's ducha pops the the the vlat also just raan said that that has so what do you do there's nothing you can do you put it in a in a keeper ambas So they said in the in the west here this just I guess it's from our gum why is there in the west there's bvel here's said in the west he has a different idea he says no no there's no there's no keepa you don't put it in a room let it starve right before you redeem this offspring now we said a second ago you don't redeem it so we're going to have to fix this a little bit right before you redeem this this offspring You say, "Oh, this baby is just like it mother." So all of a sudden now you're telling me that it's so something different going on here. You have a mother and she's pregnant and the mother was a na and a she was once Islamim. Now she can't be brought as Islamic. So you go and before you redeem the mother a few minutes before you redeem the mother you say and I want the offspring I want the vlad I want the the baby in her stomach to be a schlamim like her. So now that you make herim now you're saying that it's not really a baby that's not a it's not part of the mother. It's its own individual carbon so to speak has ah it has it own. So now I can redeem it. I don't have to put it in a in a I can't put it on the it has oh so it has no let's not exaggerate. You can't put it on the is not better than its own mother but enough that I could redeem it and get rid of this uh thing. How come how come we say that a typical isser? We're concerned that if you say that a vlad is mut. So what what is something going to do? He has a carbon. Yeah. He's going to see and check and bring it to ultrasound make sure that pregnant not pregnant. Oh, it's pregnant. Now let's wait five months until it gives birth. And then what's going to happen? You know what's going to happen if you wait five months and it's in between thousands of other sheep. You're going to use it by mistake. So he said it offspring is no good anyway. Go ahead and check it right now. If the mother's do you have to make the Vlad also or you could say hey I want this to be you could only you can only do it for what the mother is the mother. I learned from I learned what from talking about talking about an animal that used to be was almost going on broke its leg. So it's a puzzle from so I learned from [clears throat] firstborn what is it? It's automatically a firstborn. You can't say, "Oh, this first born should be this first born should be." No, no, no. It's locked in as only nobody. You can't you can't make it another carbon. So these also you cannot make you can't change it. Okay. So let's learn. We have a writer of it takes about 10 11 lines to get to the but meanwhile we're going to do on things that we learned. Most of these we already discussed in the Mishna and leading up to here. But this nikuda that what that you cannot make this offspring. You have a an animal. You have a mother. She was aim and she broke her leg. You can't put on the mb. Now we don't know what to do with her offspring. So we said, "Oh, you you say the offspring should be a Schlaman." And then once you say it and you make the offspring different than the mother and you right, it's still she's still pregnant. Then you could redeem it at least as a you don't have to put it into a room says that you have to say that the offspring is like the mother. You can't say the mother's but I want the baby to be that you can't do. You have to say the baby has to be even though you're separating the baby from the mother. You're not saying it's like uh we're saying the whole problem is that the the Vlad is like the mother and therefore you shouldn't be able to now saying oh we're going to look at the Vlad as a separate entity. We're going to call it and therefore I could redeem it. Yes, separate but similar. It has to be like the mother. How do I know? This is [snorts] starts off. You have an animal that broke its leg. It broke its leg. You c you have no business making it a because it has a broken leg. You can never put it on. We're talking about a broken leg that doesn't go away, right? Permanent blemish. So it's really and then you redeem the so it's like everything else. So going through the whole we're just doing now. Yeah. Freeben you have to if it gave birth to firstborn regular as you have to give the gifts. So now it doesn't matter whether you redeemed or didn't redeem it. So if you shear the wool you don't get malus again another doesn't matter whether it's before redemption after what's this we're not going to go through this whole thing right so a person has a little so this guy on the left that's your that's what you start out with you had a little guy on the left that was your then you realize what am I doing I love he's so good to me let me give him a big one so he says the one on the right should be instead of the one on the left. So the is both of them become. Now if the one on the left is not a the one on the left is just regular bob a regular sheep in your barn. So you can't say the large sheep should be instead of my little bob guy. What do you do? You didn't do anything. He he's nothing. What are you what are you trying to to upgrade here? You're upgrading. So since we're talking about hulen, this animal had a broken leg then you try to make it cut but it doesn't work because it has a broken leg. So it remains. So then if you go and say oh and this giant animal should be instead of this small animal nothing happened zero it's not oh so we have again you had a brokenlegged animal that's brokenlegged forever. It's never going to go on. You went and you said, "Oh, this should be." So what does it turn into is well redeeming after redemption. But right now before you redeemed it, it's there is using something on. >> Yes. And what would you what would happen if you actually took a ride on this sheep all the way home? You would have to pay for that ride plus 20% plus you have to bring a you have to bring a carbon. So it's yeah after [clears throat] there's no it's regular. So you took a ride on it, you and its offspring is considered these offspring. You don't have to wait until they beall you just redeem it as is. And you say the money that I get from this from these offspring could go to any carbon I want. It doesn't have to be the same carbon closer. So what's the rule? It would have been actually easier if it said it in the beginning, but okay. >> [clears throat] >> the this animal that was a brokenlegged animal that you made and then you redeem it. It has a for all and everything else and the going to say what what does it come to add? You give me a rule so it has to add one little thing and this is not what it's adding. The Gar says and so so what happened? It's but there is a mitzvah to appraise it. >> What mitzvah is >> avocado is mum. And now we go to the second case of the Mishna but it's in the if it was 100% was a great and then we got a broken leg or first it got a little blemish a small fracture that's going to heal and then he got a major one that's never going to heal and then you redeemed it but you redeemed you redeemed a real carbon. So then we treat it as so if it ever gave birth there's no and if you it don't give the gifts gave it to nonfix before or after you redeem if you shear its wool you sheared the wool of a regular carbon if you work it or you shear its wool you get 40 malcus 39 40 - on tomorrow and then since they have so I'm allowed to say this giant guy on the right should be instead of the little guy on the left because little guy on the left is actual car and of course certainly in this case if you didn't redeem it and you used it you took a ride on it you would have to pay 25% more and bring a car but once you redeem it you redeemed it there's no meat No, but because if the mother got pregnant before it was redeemed and then it gave birth after. So the the and because it has you have to send it to Kev land and wait until it be falls a finally after 11 lines. this offspring you cannot just decide oh I want it to be when its mother was if the mother was it must be the same exact as the mother and what's the rule this animal that was then it broke its leg so for the rest of it life until you redeem it but then it still remains that's called a typical Yeah, it's and therefore the Tory tells us what you can do with it. There's not a lot you can do with it. It's interesting. You could chef it and eat it, but that's it. You can't drink its milk. Even you can eat its meat, you can't even drink its milk. A lot of that we learned why it said in the first the first case, what's the first case? First it broke its leg then you try to make it and then it's a rule. A rule is the rule is it's after you redeem it. So what do they come to include this big rule? It's the potter. This is a big that if you outside before you redeemed it you potter. Why you potter? Because not what >> but not yet not 100%. still. Oh, that's that's that's why cuz since you cannot put it on the there's no outside and the second case where was a complete carbon and then that it milk is these these are these little babies and you have a you redeem the mother and then she gives birth. So you don't have to redeem you don't you cannot redeem the offspring without a blemish that we said can't just grab it and say oh the money [clears throat] you redeemed it you got some money for it you sell it off the money cannot go to it doesn't go to any yeah doesn't go to any carbon you want has to go to a specific carbon soar makes a deal doesn't say but makes a deal and you to argue on this deal. It says that if it's without a blemish, you shouldn't redeem it. But it seems like if it has a you could and again another deal >> what? Yeah. And it's only you can't do to any carbon you want. If you want to do you want to you want to set the money aside for the same carbon as its mother then you could what's the case before you the same thing we said before before you redeem it you walk over to the the mother and you say you whisper you say oh the baby inside is going to be a schlam name it to the ravuna ravuna is the one that says what Dr. doesn't like that. You put into a keepa, [clears throat] put it into a room, let it die. Comes along and says, "No, you could whisper to it and say, "Oh, you are MMA law." You could redeem it. No mur you could whisper to it. You could you could say, "Oh, this this offspring is going to be aim." And it works, but it's only from a inference from a from a it's not it doesn't say. No, it does say that you should not redeem it when it's unblenmished. But don't infer from that that if it's blemished, you could redeem it. No, if it's blemished, you cannot redeem it also. So then why does it say blemish? Go to the bigger. Even if it's even I'm saying it says unbllemished. It should say even if it's blemished, you can't you can't redeem it. Why? Why does it say the big? Because we want it to be symmetrical with the ratio. Once again, we see this over and over and over throughout that sometimes it's better because it's very very difficult to remember things about you. Imagine you have to remember all of Sha's B. >> So they they they made these shortcuts, not shortcuts. Sometimes it's not as good. It's not written as well as as as it could have been written. But since it's it mimics the it's the same wording as the rat. It's better for memorization. If you try to take pieces out, it's going to mess everybody up for generations. The repeating just the song the the way the words work is just easier to memorize. We don't know anything about this. We're not going to talk about because once he's sticking, it messes the the memorization up. Federation uses that language in the rasia you could you could um what's the lion allocate um no there's a better word >> designate but a better word um new earmark you can earmark that's the word I don't know if it's a better word you can earmark the the money to to anything you want to so me uses m the same words and and it's the opposite. If you notice, it's but but it uses five. If you this animal outside of the potter even before it was redeemed, why? Because you can't put it on the says if you this animal outside what's the case why would you be if you can't put it on the answer is because you if you do put it on the misb you don't take it off >> it's such a thing what kind of case is that what do you put on the you don't take it off >> huh in a case where it has a very very small blemish. It has a cataract in the eye or this is super interesting. I want to show this to you because it's not even not even for the but just for the it's so interesting says I have another I never saw this in you know it says in many times. So Raji says what's the post? It says no. It says the whatever. Okay. Says in the islands it's not a cataract in the island. It's like the the heaven. Listen to this. I don't know what to make of it. I'm giving it to you. You guys do whatever you want with it. The eye it's like a small world the upper eyelid it's like it it comes to it resembles the the heaven and the lower lid connect it's to the to the to the world and the white around the eye it's like the the ocean you have the the theos and the and the the pupil that's like the I don't know this is you know some sort ofistic thing but go ahead enjoy so this animal that has cataract if you put it on the doesn't come off so if you sh it outside of the outside because it has it has some sh So we're again we're talking about you made this animalish and then got whether you redeemed it or not you can where's that picture if you say that this large animal should be instead of the small animal it works why because it was heish it has a goof in What do you do with it? The must die again. Once again, we're stuck. You can't make it. You can't put on the Why? Because this guy on the right is instead of the guy on the left. The guy on the left broke its leg. Right now, at this point, you can't put on the So, you're saying that the guy on the right should be instead of a brokenlegged balm. You can't put on redeem it. No, it doesn't have enough in it to to redeem. That's why it has to die. Why can't you just wait until it gets send it to Keland and then you eat it? Why? You see the same. Why is different than it's not it's a firstborn. So if you take an animal that's number nine of its family, its mother had nine other sheep. You say this number nine should be instead of this bkar you invented a new bkar. So it has a bkar. You have to put on [snorts] so all it offspring and what's wait until it be falls then you eat it also you should wait until it has a then eat it you can't do that the name of the carbon is still on it so what's the name of the carbonar so it's akar is akar and you're the owner allowed to eat it. But this what's this? This one is when you going to wait until start eating it. So it works. But this name what? This has a name of of you can't just eat a carbon without redeeming. But over here you can't even do a not strong enough. Once again I want to remind this individual left that came to again yesterday. He got me a bottle of wine because this is the first time in his life 47 years old. What did he say? 47 46 it's 46 years old first time in his life that he did mro a lot of people the first time in their life this is to all the people that the first time in their life second time in their life it's a great time to start today is Sunday we have the whole entire week to do it I want to talk about something very uncomfortable for me to talk about my son is getting married this Wednesday so I'm at a point where Guzman I showed it to some people yesterday my I didn't invite my first cousins so if I didn't invite you Please be my if I didn't invite your wife, don't be my that's okay. If you're invited for it's I whatever you'll see you'll understand one day. But it's it's not easy for me. I wanted to invite the whole and that's why we decided to make a braus a massive like a for all the MDY guys. It's the following day. It's still gonna be fresh from the in a hall. Where is it? In Lud in Lud. So anyway, that's where we're holding. I know it's uncomfortable and that's the predictive. Amen. So, thank you. 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 lines from the bottom. How do you know said that if you say this animal should be instead of my I have an animal that was once a broke its leg I can't do it and then I take another this should be instead of that brokenlegged animal it must die you hear this the talks about kosher animals and it says but there's a kosher animal that's one It's this says there are five famous throughout and this is where Dr. told me back then these are the five let's say the offspring of a theat we just spoke about or let's say a owner designates a and then he dies he never had a chance to bring it to the you know what happens in the it must die you can't do anything with it you just put it in a room don't feed it and that's it it's sad but that's not we don't understand it it's not how but but where do you know this from the of so you can't learn from that when I'm learning the five from it say there's another words in that so of I learned from the word but I learned here it says I don't learn from I learned from the what the five must die as what are you talking about it's famous that's something that give it over to us it's not in the don't tell me it comes from a word in the oral law not not in the Hello. You're right. It's similar to but it's the of ash. You have a and somebody went ahead and made it a so is that it grazes until it becomes. Yeah. It's I don't remember what Oh, here it says in the side and which is coming up the rule anytime these five things if you replace these five things let's say the offspring of somebody designates says this animal should be a it's a it's a female and then she gives birth what do you do what do you do with the offspring it dies but let's say it's not a katas it's an asham you had to bring ash for something else not. So whatever you do, whatever in any situation you would kill the same exact situation, it grazes until it befalls the No, no, no. You're right. The comes for you told me that's I need a I didn't know says you can't do it. But what do you do with it? What what do you do says that you kill it? But if only it let it Yeah, you let it die. Let's say you ate from it. It doesn't say what to do. It doesn't tell you you don't give. It's based on I need a don't eat and also to tell me that die. I'm gonna I'm gonna do a he I'm gonna compare that of which is that's what I learn to which is that dies just like the five they die they die a lot of us are familiar with a concept called what's with a woman with your wife. What's in Brazil? >> Asset she brings in and >> he has to get back. >> He has to what? >> You say, >> "Yeah, but what does he pay back or what does he not pay back?" The difference between so talking about very Yeah. If a woman brings in assets, so we the famous one was what? What was in the what was in our video? >> Nursing home. >> Nursing home. She brings in a nursing home. So, the guy gets the best deal ever. Let's say the nursing home is worth a million dollars in 1980. Then they get divorced in 2026. So, he has to give her a million dollars, the value that it was in 1980. From 1980 to 2026, he reaps all he takes all the management fees and everything and everything. He lives it up. big belts duck. It's all her thing and then it gives her a million dollar for the the it's locked in like steel. So whatever the So let's say you have a whole barn full of sheep. You have a hundred sheep. It's worth $100,000, $1,000 of sheep. >> So you you give all the sheep to a partner. It could be a Jew or a non-Jew. You say, "Here, take all the sheep and at in 10 years from now, give me back $100,000." You lock it in. This today's price, you lock it in. And so, why do I do it? Because he's going to take care of all the sheep and we're going to divide. We're going to split the profit. Now, the with the Jew, it's problematic. That's Gar is going to discuss it. Because it's it's Rivous. Why? Cuz I lent him 100 sheep and he gave me back a 100 sheep plus another 100 sheep of of offspring. That's Riv. It was a loan and in addition to the loan, he gave me back the loan plus whatever. What about a nonju? You allowed to take interest from a nonju. You make a deal with the nonju. I'm going to take your 100 cheap. I'm locking in here. He did a very nice video. It's metal sheep. It's the same guy. Now, what if the guy doesn't pay back? Yeah, he has a loan. He has to give back 100 sheep. He doesn't pay 100 sheep. So, what could the nonju do? He go take the offspring as many as he wants. It's his. Oh, if he could take offspring, what does that tell me? What it tell me? That it's the go. He owns it. You can just go and take offering cuz it's his. So, he has a over there. So, real quickly, we're we have to finish the Mishna and then that's it for today. Here we go. You ready? [laughter] Okay. So, I just It's slightly confusing because the same over here means the fourth generation. Fourth generation. What just happened? Oh, I'm supposed to click. Oh, click. This is what we're talking about. So, this is says at least right over here. What do we see? It means the third generation's offspring, meaning the fourth generation is a real at that far along. The guy doesn't take the Vladim. But if he went ahead and he said, let's start one generation further. Let's the the offspring. Yeah, I'm giving you the offspring. So, we push it off one generation. So, now it comes to the fifth generation. Here we go. I think there's one more right over here. Should have been on the click. Oh, that little guy is a bar. But everything before that belongs to it's not a 10 generations all belong to the There's a little bit of a in there and therefore from because you owe it to the non-Jew and therefore once is a partnership with the non-Jew from so this is the famous case that we had 25 times this guy it's called if a sheep gave birth to a goat or a goat gave birth to something that looks like a sheep because it says right but if it looks a little bit like the Mother, have a wonderful day. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. 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