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Welcome back, Rabbi Dr. Alzar Brat. We
are here for one of our original style
episodes. This is how we basically got
started with Rabbi Dr. Brat. Before
every maka, Rabbi Brat previews the maka
and how it has been learned throughout
the generations. We're starting as we
record this. We're starting it tomorrow.
Hopefully this recording will get out
very shortly
would like to do what it usually does go
through
has a unique aspect that it has the of
and perhaps I'll touch on that as well.
This episode is being dedicated as
[snorts] for David Ben Sophia and all
the learning should be aus for him.
Rabbi Dr. has brought.
>> Okay. So, basically we're about to
begin. It's a continuation of um invim.
We already spoke about how kachum we
began the first episode
discussing how kachum was learned
throughout the ages as introduction.
Then we moved into how wasim exactly
learned and then we just re just re we
just released an episode about
how he made a revolution to learn. So
continuing with with that one last
point, there's a there's a schooloola
there's a known schooler. If you ever
want to speak or you write an article,
right after you submit the article or
you finish the speech, you always find
an import that you meant to add in and
you forgot about. So here's one such
thing. They published a collection of
essays of Rabbi Kameki in English a
bunch of years ago. And this piece he
talks about Mashiach
um learning and and Mashiah gets in here
also. And then he talks about like this.
He brings down the was very into
anticipating Msiah and he revived
Kachum. So he brings down the following.
He once gave Mus to his nephew Liuititz
for not learning Kachchum and his he
said what's what are you going to do if
Mashiah comes tomorrow? The B mish is
standing and what you're not going to
know what to do. So so Dut said what
about he's first the person's going to
have to know that he was shabas. So, so
for this reason that's why I'm learning
in
says that's not true because for that
you have the but for you need to have
you need to know kachum and you need to
learn kach this was the the discussion
between the two of them anyway the point
is that we showed already that already
before the before the war and we'll have
some more instances about this later on
today kachim started to take off and we
know what's going on today ma all over
we mentioned the red now just to throw
out one story the famous thing with the
vag when he about 11 years old. He
stayed up the whole sim at night and he
learned all of
someone we know the name of the person
but basically some relative of his saw
in the morning that he that he
remembered at night he was holding and
then he saw he's finished he couldn't
believe it he tested him and he was
blown away. There's a famous reliable
story that the children of the gr bring
down. Um anyway,
Lamshel continuing with Kachum. So this
is al Meltzer who put out Evanel also
describe he publishes it during World
War II and he says ah you'll say you
know the world is god but that's the
period of time to be to put out to be
and these hard this is similar to writes
in his introduction about where he deals
with it. Okay. And one last which
relates to but moving to getting us to
to um is which we spoke about in
so who has a review on the work on who
as I'm very fond of quoting. So he talks
about these
this is writing a book review on it. So
the safer comes out also in 1940 but you
um he says
and and they explain the but not the
whole
many of them they don't talk about it or
they don't they don't deal with first of
all it's not fair to them he says they
don't have but this of who was a we
mentioned already last time of
also talks about that to have certain
fasting materials from him he does that
he goes through the whole Rashian Tyus.
So this is just yet another nikuda
throwing out there
about Kachchan being learned also Dafka
in these years in the in the 1940s when
Kalisro was going um was in a rough
position so to speak and then he throws
out there not only as a DV just throws
out there which we'll also deal with
today that not only does
have this is a unique as it has the okay
anyway like we always discuss the gear
of
of this which in general is very very
hard and is so we still have from here
he changes the name to naming after his
patreon who just died and he had the
manuscript which we'll discuss the
significance shortly now
so when you open up you'll see as
opposed to already starts having
if you're still using an old print it
starts later on but if you're using
already starts much earlier um rashi
there's rashi on the side but it seems
somewhere around the seventh per there's
discussion even though there's something
called the rashi mikaviad which is
already put in by the shas vna edition
and and that also we'll discuss in in in
a moment now according to mubetus and um
sorry from concludes like this the part
of rashi at the end of the ma
that's on the in the what's called rashi
that's not rashi um It's probably some
something from that medish that's um
different discussion but anyway the
point is like this shazna
had something unique something we
discussed numerous times which is that
each time throughout the generations
when a shas was published they want to
make it that it's um valuable so they
try to get new materials so when shnu
was working on putting out their shas
they went and tracked down a whole bunch
of whatever they were able to get their
hands on famous
um and inch they get the a whole long
story they write in the back of how they
get this incredible work. Now the
significance is as we already mentioned
numerous already in the in the previous
episode on kachum there's no rishim on
kachum so anything that we have is
important more so now say for having
manuscripts are but also the the problem
is that this these
is very hard because it wasn't um
learned as well as the
so it's very hard the text needs to be
dealt with properly so the is also dealt
with that very heavily.
We um discussed a little bit about that.
There's a lot more to say, but the point
is so the so the already the Shazna
people they got a hold of that. So in
recent years we mentioned last time as
far as but the same is true with there's
a whole discussion about where they got
all this materials from and if there's
more materials and a lot of work has
been done on it.
sorry mister of cook published recently
published underbases over the years and
even now anyway
um credit is due over here to to we
don't really I have not really spoken
much about them but for kachum they get
a lot of credit which is like this as I
just said kachum is very hard the g and
everything they went out of their way to
work very hard on the text of the of of
it and they went back got the kubatis
also they did a lot of work on the on
the but they also went back where the
Shikides had this Rashi Mikaviad who he
felt was really Rashi. They tracked it
down. They got more material than he
then Shasna had and they fixed up many
different pieces. They show and they
added a lot of new material. So already
so first they did a lot of work a ones b
on rashi. So, and they show this
comparing, you know, in the front if you
open up your uh standard
on um
they show through pictures many
different corrections that they made,
which is very significant to see, oh,
why should I buy this new sha? So,
there's a lot of new stuff happening
over here by by going back to the
manuscripts, which is very interesting
because here we see the main what's
becoming pretty much I guess you could
even call it the mainstream garra um in
the karedi world. how manuscripts is
being used and there's no discussion
which we devoted many episodes and here
they're dealing with whether it's the
gam whether or publishing it all and and
everyone this is this is bread and
butter for anyone that's learning kum
now it's what they did but they also
were able to get more materials of that
villain did not have all this they tell
in the story in the front of the agdama
beautiful agdama a lot of fascinating
information very cute just to nitpick to
throw out there they thank Rabbi
Yakoshigel and Rabbi Schmuglick. These
are professors. They can't use the word
professor. And then in one footnote they
write a lot of the material about the we
thank in his work on the mubetus which
was published in a few copies which is
obviously a PhD of his that he wrote on
the mubetes which is fascinating and
very important but anyway they did
incredible work and it's very valuable.
So Kachchum which we have said numerous
times does not have too many or almost
nothing. So it's very important they did
a lot of significant work. Fine. There's
a worksheet similar to what's on but
this is done by the son who I just
mentioned did does the work of the where
he collects pieces of rishim throughout
these are two volumes and rabbiisman of
publishes he locates a few blot of a
kadma also probably early on um on on
the ma as I said every blot that he gets
something is is important okay all of a
sudden in 1860 something significant
happens and that is the publishing of
what's called the kadushia Rajba on the
already over there in the gets from
one of the time famous for his massive
work on the sites. So he says this is
the Rajba and he says um and he brings
something that we've said time and time
again the calls it the Rajba and this
gives it a temple for many many people
and he discusses about it and and the
and it's considered authentic but the sh
is if it's really the rajbah we say it's
a for sure but we don't necessarily know
who it is now it seems the messiah was
that it was the rabbis
as I said first time around 1861
Now we already spoke about a few times
already in the past two episodes when
you say and
knew that people are going to complain.
He's trying to make a campaign to learn
there's no what are you going to do? So
he goes ahead and gets all the materials
as he says in the
he say
goes out and publishes it. So one of the
things that he publishes from is he
republishes this raja that was published
40 50 years before. Great. Now here he
throws out a footnote. He says like this
is it the so he brings down um he brings
down what says
but then he says but the seems to say
that it's not you say and feels it's not
the okay but it's not no one is taking
away from it being an important work
thought now. So what's the story
of this work? So very very very briefly
um time is short. Basically um the most
extensive work on this has been done a
um a bunch of years ago and um
I forget I don't even remember the
fellow's name. I don't does he even say
his name after those yeah he doesn't
even tell you his name. He has Rashavis.
Anyway, one of the additions is called
so he has a beautiful introduction where
he goes through the whole I think it's
his name is
something like that anyway so he puts
out this whole work he consult does all
the things so first he brings down
possibility number one the mish is not
buying this thing that it's the rajba
but many people do believe it's the
rajba and he brings you a list of people
Then he brings down that certain already
point down to the steer from on
the and others point to steerus in the
rajas. So therefore they're not willing
to accept this raj. Now the truth is we
always find steerus is not necessarily
going to be the key way of deciding it.
say there in the famous thing says that
it's in his famous um what's known as
the um we mentioned already a few times
that's printed in the front of the very
people always fond of quoting it it's
not the rajbah so to the says it's not
the rajba but notably they use it um
also says it's not the rajba so who
could it be so one of the possibilities
that and throws this out also and this
is goes with it's possibly
What who's what are obviously it's
beyond the scope for now brings down
that seem to have felt it's the it's the
tis the dictim also said such a
possibility and others have proven that
it might be the the tyis and a more
recent um possibility is who says it's
and he proves it from there anyway in
this new introduction bottom line is
they discuss the whole what's unique
about the there's a lot of stuff even
including because it plays out in the
system and stuff like that. And the
interestingly enough they show in the
over here that uses this 1861 edition
but it seems he got a hold of another
manuscript and makes some material
corrections based on a manuscript and
furthermore um this fellow who publishes
it in um in recent years he also got a
hold of at least two manuscripts and
makes changes according to that. Okay,
fine. Fast forward to the we have the
which is from the which is we already
spoke about the is published in 1788 um
has a beautiful from
who and he's done a lot in the
now
they are found in the
and we mentioned their dating and the
materials about them already in the
episodes on now there's the and there's
the 1825 and then fast forward 1906 is a
work
and then there's work 1923
um and then we have the which we spoke
about all the way in the beginning 1940
that's a very thorough now numerous
times we mention how sometimes comes
along and they print something from
manuscript so this also they have they
publish a safer pieces in 2020 20 or
2022 um from the Shabashi which is also
another significant because as I said
any piece of material that one could get
is valuable
last week at the end of the week
encyclopedia tamudas finally put out
volume 53 and it's letter me towards the
end and it's all about
all the carbonus very valuable volume to
use just in time for Di to have okay now
there are other works especially
contemporary works in the from after the
war but these are beyond the scope of of
my pedigree. Now there's
one blot devoted to the mana or a little
more than a blot and that's its own
literature and hem if I'm it could be I
will try to give a share about it if I'm
able to raise um to find a sponsor for
it. Okay. Now, but one of the
interesting things about this
is
which is
and there's almost 15 blot related to
this and it's fascinating is it comes in
and so we'll start with with the very
briefly um as time allows and we'll
discuss some things that relate to it
but the first to talk about is there's a
work from there was a guy Rab Lipman
Halpin who dies in 1794 for now he dies
young and the significance of this yid
was that besides for being a gum
he also he wrote a lot on kachum so this
is going back in the 1790s a great lit
now number one is there's interesting
story that the it seems went to it seems
he married into the family of who's the
father-in-law of ben hagra but it seems
the gr knew him and liked him and the
story there's a story in the alias
um I just have to throw throw it out
there because I had to spend a lot of
time to track it down. A lot of times
when people quote a source they don't
tell you the page number and then when
you try searching for it in in different
ways it's very hard to search because
it's spelled differently mean say this
that he wrote is very significant
because he had it to do with and
especially with
so even in this
materials between him the back is back
and forth between him and
it's going and it's also kachum related
so there's a lot of material for
especially for the suggest
But there's also some other that are
relating to the
so the other episode we on we mentioned
kadusha which has a lot of material on
but the point is we here we have this
associated with the with associated with
the very close catcher with and and and
this is available actually and to go
through these um incredible deep pieces
on the suggest relating mostly to stop
one other thing to throw out there the
basot
there's a few pieces in the back of that
rel to stop. Okay. Anyway, that that's
just by way of introduction. Now, now
I'm just going to as much as we could
accomplish in the next uh um bunch of
minutes without trying without going
over time. That's as follows
of it's remarkable. These are mitzvah we
do all the time.
Muza is daily all the time. He's
surrounded by it. Fillain is almost
daily. say fat is very important for and
we should try at least to learn it a
little as it's so relevant. So here we
have sort of a break after over 120
block invim and then there's going to be
a bunch more you you're you're far away
from for many people um what would be
called familiar territory of nashimikin
and these are very relevant it's kadai
to
and to look into these areas or at least
a little bit about it part of it's found
in the
isra
why that is I'm not even sure but that's
what it is but interesting already
which he wrote he didn't tell us that
that's who he that that's who the author
is but we now know that he this which is
all different areas which he felt was
being he has devotes pages in
areas that we need to so to speak up in
English there's
old time book on one of the earliest
books written um in the English language
Then there's a famous book called inside
stam. It came out a bunch of years ago
and insider reveals the answer to all
the questions you can ask when
purchasing and maintaining fillus
millisra from rauv mandeloitz. Um it's
been translated into Hebrew. It has lots
of footnotes and a very popular book and
there's numerous other books in English.
So someone complains that he doesn't
understand it in Hebrew there's what to
look at even a little bit. Okay. Now
just to go with rishim. So here we see
at least got a little bit to be learned
the rush our our rush that were that
helps us out when we're learning and the
mai they're back
is very significant but even more
there's a k whatever the story with that
is and a few years ago um thanks to um
Rabbi Rabbi Aramalisen for making sure
to get me a copy of this put out for for
some of Pman he publishes a beautiful
edition from manuscript of what's called
What's also significant is there's
extensive footnotes and it covers and
fill in excellent excellent materials
over there. Now,
okay, so there's already we're seeing
that there's at least in these areas
there's also now one work that's already
worth to pub to talk about very briefly
is the M's. There's two parts to it.
talks about um the the and then there's
another aspect of which hopefully I will
give a special share devoted to it which
is a lot of the inside way of how to
write a surra which is the how the
messiah plays a role
and um the spelling of words and all
different aspects of this um the
sometimes even plays a role. So this was
the the the wrote a work devoted to it
but earlier the Rama also wrote a work
there's also from the
andel
the classic work is
the lano and these are that hopefully
we'll discuss an episode devoted more to
them and the significance to them and
just to point out that just um um this
Thursday or Friday past Thursday or
Friday another work came out that's also
very significant from it's called from
um
who was a dna
called
discussing all different aspects
and many different aspects that relate
to all these things now early works
so one of them is known as one is muza
one is and so and the is a known thing
that you have to self-promote yourself
so I already gave four episodes about
this wrote
a beautiful work on all these say for we
plan on still doing an episode devoted
to it but since we spoke a bunch of
topics related to it so you could
definitely um look at it if you didn't
um hear about it another early work of
which is also related to this so in
recent years someone republished with a
lot of the perushim and from manuscript
came out of a parish which is called
misrai from something from 400 years ago
tan also came out from manuscript
learning
and
you'll see how is very significant.
Okay,
early work from the times of the whole
story about what's the correct text to
use for this and everything. There's a
possible rebarelon
for him not possibly wrote and there's a
lot a lot of literature in general how
to write the tourist endless endless
material about this the shamar there's
different barak shamar even there's
other
um the whole story behind the barak
shamar professor tashar tried to tell it
over but there's much more to it which
is waiting for someone to tell the story
um what was the barak shamar that the
different piskim had how it affected
hala in all these areas. Um there's a
lot of written about this and the
tourist is every few months maybe even
another massive work comes out where
someone goes ahead and collects and puts
out with gorgeous pictures of the work
that was shalom published but there's
endless amount of them I can't even keep
track in the various journals there's
people that are collecting all the
materials more and more sephyra and
ancient sephyra come to light and it
comes a whole deal there's a lot about
that just to throw out one academic work
that deals a little bit with how the
sephetra was written and stuff like that
from David Stern called Jewish Bible.
Okay. Now, tons and tons of material
about that just to throw out there
which is a parish with tons of fromis.
So professor Orbach published it from
manuscript and there's a lot of material
relating to the raam also there's a zam
bingo has a massive amount of material
on histitus from the base manage the
maril okay now in the 1990s a work comes
out on hilus
[snorts] titus called kilis
this is put out by a fellow um let me
check his name again Elio Tab Tabar so
it seems this rebellious tabar is avelt
expert in hitzis. He's published a crazy
amount on it, but one of his early works
is this work back in 1993. So first
when um he goes through the sugot
material and he has a nice listing in
the front pages and he could see that
there's a material in about okay and he
shows you what he has and he could check
all the maduras and probably from then
there's been a lot more updates with it.
Okay. Now one of the so besides for
going through the suggest and the and
the whatever there is so one cute thing
is he throws out there one of the very
significance farm is the mishnak a great
which is kadai to look at not only for
in general not only for titis it's also
to look at for
excellent material um but so he says he
was mimat so in a way it was good he saw
that he's on the right track but then it
takes away you know you want to have
original original materials anyway
significantly is that He publishes work
the safer from
one of the who wrote a whole work on how
he gets this he heard about it that such
is a thing but it wasn't published ever
and he met a chance meeting to David the
noted expert on since then has published
a lot of works whether it's tyra of his
history on him so this David gave him
the materials and he publishes it he
also publishes a work that he got from
manuscript from on fromano so the shows
how um a lot of materials in the is is
now available and of course he can't
hold back. This is one of the experts of
so at the end end of the safer he does
have 20 pages about anyway moving on to
is a work that was published in recent
years mit from the from thiser and
thiser um has published many volumes of
also
um okay now as time is short so we're
just going to spend about five minutes
to list out a bunch of different other
addresses for hilus fill in um and some
other number
the so everyone knows some people many
people their comes from the safer so
this unbelievable cafer here is a time
that you get to learn it why there's
pieces whether it's fitfillin sitsus and
maybe you learned one year or maybe your
chat was about these things you get to
spend time learning one sim even to get
exposed to that um tyra once again now
the mishnaber already writes how he
spent a long time checking into
researching the philillindas
So that's when you open up in these
areas there's a lot of pages over there
whether
fine we mentioned already now just to
mention out there some briefly there's
the from Shapiro which is onus
this also has in here from an incredible
incredible work which sadly does not
continue to most of but we do have
this
which is based on from the library
incredible Mount Chuvas farm similar to
the style of the dhaki chuva. So there's
that which is available. There's the a
massive work of his relating to this
from the and other and there's a bunch
of nice editions from
there's a
all these works many of them are
available if they're not available to
buy they're always available on Hebrew
books
and the point is that a lot of times
they're available because a lot of
people this is how they make panasa
today to become a cipher. Okay. One of
the legendary famous works is the from
the
recently someone a lady completed a
doctorate on it and it's famous for
and many right that make sure a cipher
has to at least know
from the and its own story how this
happened and and more but not for now is
the
in recent years they collected all the
frankes my friend who was na recently
Rebellia Greenwide they put out a safer
called Ferriselo um I gave a hespit
again you have to self-promote so I
recorded and and posted a hespit that I
gave on him from the reba they put out a
beautiful work called Dy Yasiv which is
a massive work of just his material on
stam and just another work on hustitis
also became very very famous and it's it
recently was republished again David
Morgansson and someone else they did
hustain and the significance of this
work it came out in the late 80s already
is tons of pictures they went and they
figured they went down to see how and
they illustrate everything about it and
they go through the
and
his relationship with and it plays out
over there and he spoke spent a lot with
but he's he's investigating the
and illustrating it when you learn the
so okay um
the famous legendary who wrote many many
so he has a massive work on
there's endless amount some of them I
might have mentioned the episode on um
with Kyfki but one of them a famous one
is is called by massive from Feldman but
there are many more then okay now again
I have said this in the past I'm
definitely not speaking about it's way
above my pay grade the amount of ink
that is spilled on the is mindboggling
um if you someone searches in the
various forums this gets very heated in
Israelis of all types fight about this
non-stop
Ready starting from under Radzena who
wrote Three Farm about it. Revzog who we
have his doctorate which for a while
it's called the royal purple and the
biblical blue um which was recently
republished in a in a collection of some
um of many materials of herog in English
by kuren and there's a work um from a
bernstein
we're over there it's in Hebrew but
anyway the point is list is endless
endless materials okay just two more to
end off is like this number one is a
fascinating from a fleck list that's the
of the
whole about if you ask so now we find
throughout the hashem but not always is
it what's called shame kesh a whole
safer written about that and in recent
years a fellow far has put out a fancier
edition of that also incredible and then
he redid it to do already the whole also
if you're writing a um okay now just to
conclude is that there's no end to the
mount of pulmas controversies that
happened because of and even just to
throw out there someone recently put out
it's called
a massive work showing an early pulmus
um and it's over 500 pages where he puts
in all the texts and puts them very and
one again
and all these other things the famous
endless materials about that the amount
of contraum and fighting about it and
the journals and it's mamish about that
silk screening tyra also endless
material about that rabb has a beautiful
piece about it and then just to throw
out one last maramakum
the first episode that I ever gave for
all that was relating to machine matzah
so interestingly enough that there was a
pull also about machine making situs
with a
And in that at that time there was a
rare work it seems they um called uh
countress
and this work was published in 1862 very
rare no one had copies but hashem it was
a copy was located and it was published
in the bab journal
in uh 2010 small little journal a small
little countress which is also relating
to this controversy between the shmev
and the
anyway the point is um here we have so
to speak being woken up kach being woken
up because of these blockamit
there's endless materials there's many
many that I didn't bother I didn't
mention oh
the
very very important work let me just see
if there's any others that I
okay and that's all for today we'll have
to um take a rain check on many others
that people might show me that I missed
I Trust me, I missed many. But anyway,
um that's all for now.
>> Okay, thank you for doing this quickly
after you did your last episode. So,
whoever hasn't listened yet, get
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planned. Anybody would like to partner
with us in this work, please feel free
to reach out. Um Rabb Bro, I assume will
be sharing with his email list some of
opportunities. So if you're not on his
email list yet and you don't get some of
the insider information from Rabbi Brat,
reach out to him [email protected].
You can visit his website alazabra.com.
For all other inquiries,
feel free to reach out to myself
atmou.org.
And we thank you again for your
participation.