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Menachos Daf 99
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All right, today's daf is Sadi Tes,
Monday's daf. We get some very famous
hazal today regarding limudei Torah, but
before that we got to finish up all of
our issues here regarding the placement
of these shulchanos menorahs that we
were talking about yesterday, because we
said that HaMelech had made 10
different menorahs and 10 different
shulchans. And now we're picking it up
four lines from the bottom of Sadi Ches
and Bais. Bishlama le manda amar mizrach
u'ma'arav. It makes sense, like the way
Rebbe had suggested that the shulchanos
were from an east to west direction.
Why? Because hainu de hava yesivi asar
b'esrim. That's how you can have 10
shulchanos that are each two amos long
can all fit in the space of 20 amos.
Give you the Rashi points out that if
you actually line them up one after the
other, you're going to have a mashu of
space in between each one of these
shulchanos, so it won't technically be
20, but that's not a significant amount
because it's only going to go slightly
past that halfway line in the heichal.
But el manda amar tzofon u'darom, let's
say the shulchanos were positioned from
north to south, which is how Rav Elozor
ben Shimon said. That's a fixed amount
of space. So asar b'esrim heicha hava
yesivei? How could you actually fit and
squash in each exact two amah table to
fit in a space of 20 amos? It's just the
metzius won't allow for it. The su and
also it's more complicated than because
Kehanim heicha hava ya'aleh? How could
the Kehanim who enter from the eastern
side, if the shulchanos are going north
to south, they're going wall to wall,
there's no way to get past it. You got
to jump over them? The su also metzinu
chamisha shulchanos b'darom, you're
going to have the whole north south
direction is going to go all the way to
the end of the south wall and that's not
mutar because there has to be, as the
posuk said, al tzad tzofon. It has to be
on the northern side. Well, to that the
Gemara says u'leima tameich it's also
going to be shver like Rebbe's shita
because le manda amar mizrach u'ma'arav
nami. Shulchan d'Moshe heicha hava
munach? The stomach kasha. Where did
Moshe Rabbeinu's shulchan, the OG
shulchan that Moshe Rabbeinu was
metzuva, where did that go? There's lo
chareinu room for it. So ela, we're not
looking at this right. It's not just one
continuous straight line. Ela mi'saviv
kadarah hava. Who said it was one line?
Trei darei neinu. It's actually two rows
of shulchanos. And that'll take care of
all of our kashes. So the shulchan of
Moshe Rabbeinu wasn't actually in the
row, it was adjacent to that row, as you
can see in the pictures in the Gemara.
Moving over to med aleph. So bishlama le
manda amar tzofon u'darom, according to
Rav Elozor ben Shimon, that those
shulchanos were north to south, that
makes sense. Shapir in the northern half
of the heichal. Right, because we split
it in half. Ela manda amar mizrach
u'ma'arav, like Rebbe, michdik shulchan
kama mashuch min ha'kesel? How much was
the shulchan, meaning that first row,
away from the tzad tzofon? It was shteim
amos u'mechet. That's two and a half
amos. Because that we know from a braisa
maseches Yoma. Ve'amah diday and it
itself is an amah as the roichav of the
shulchan was one amah. U'shteim amos
u'mechet d'veini beini and you have that
two and a half amos between the first
row and the shulchan d'Moshe. Ve'amah
and there's the actual width of the
shulchan d'Moshe. U'shteim amos u'mechet
d'veini beini noch another two and a
half amos. Ve'amah diday and then
there's that last width of the shulchan.
So if you add up all those numbers,
yishtakach d'chachol shulchan palga
d'amos b'darom. You're going to add up
the total amount is going to be 10 and a
half amos. But lemaisa, the northern
half of that heichal is only supposed to
be 10 amos and therefore a half an amah
is going to protrude out into the tzad
darom, which is not allowed, which is
connected to posuk. Every Gemara
mi'saviv shulchan d'Moshe dayog hava
yasiv. You're making the cheshbon that
the Moshe Rabbeinu's shulchan was kind
of between the two rows, that therefore
it needed its own two and a half amos on
each side of it. But it's not true. Loi
d'midlei lei u'munach lei. It was raised
up on the western side opposite those
two rows. U'mitatei lehu d'dei tzei
purta. And the other shulchanos were on
the eastern side to make room for the
shulchan d'Moshe on the western side. So
the other shulchanos klappei the
shulchan d'Moshe was ketamid as lifnei
Rebbe. Rashi says it was a high
discrepancy. The achronim, the Rashash,
the Sfas Emes are bothered by how did
Rashi even know that? Maybe it's more of
a figure of speech, but al kol panim,
the point is that the shulchan d'Moshe
was not between the two rows and
therefore you're not going to have this
shulchan eeking into the tzad darom
problem. Tanna Rabbonan, asara
shulchanos asu like we said,
there were 10 different shulchanos. V'lo
hayu mesadrim ela al shel Moshe. But the
Kehanim only put the lechem uponim on
the actual shulchan d'Moshe Rabbeinu.
Shenemar, arba'ah asar shulchanos alav
lechem uponim asu. So that lashon yachid
that only one shulchan was actually used
for the lechem uponim. And asara
menorahs asu there was 10
menorahs. V'lo hayu madlikin ela b'shel
Moshe. Which one actually got lit?
That's the menorah of Moshe Rabbeinu.
Shenemar, menorahs hazahav menorahs
asher lo ya'ir bo erev. Also lashon
yachid, which is mashma it's only the
menorah d'Moshe. But not everybody's
maskim. Rav Elozor ben Shmuel omer, al
kulam hayu mesadrim. They actually put
lechem uponim on all of these different
shulchanos. They could pick whichever
one they want. Shenemar, es hashulchanos
va'alehem lechem uponim. U'v'chulam hayu
madlikin and they would actually have
the ability to light all the menorahs.
Shenemar, es hamenorahs menorahs zehav
l'varam kamishpat lifnei Hashem b'veira
zahav sagur. So the lashon rabim is
mashma they could light all the
menorahs. Now they got to work out how
each one is going to understand the
other psukim. Rav Yosi b'Rav Yehuda
omer, lo hayu mesadrim ela al shel
Moshe. They actually put the lechem
uponim only on the shulchan d'Moshe. So
el amani mekayem es hashulchanos lashon
rabim? Ve'alehem lechem uponim. Because
eilu shlosha shulchanos shehayu
b'Mikdash, shnayim she hayu b'ulam,
there were two that were in the ulam
mi'bifnim al pesach habayis, inside next
to the opening of the Beis HaMikdash.
And of those, echad shel kesef v'echad
shel zahav. One was made of silver,
which we're going to see shortly is
going to be referred to as the one
that's shayish, which would be
translated as marble. But Rashi says
that it really was marble, but we're
calling it silver because the marble's a
white color. And the other one was shel
zahav, the other one was gold. Al shel
kesef nasin lechem uponim b'chnisa'sei.
And we need these tables because you
needed a surface to put the lechem
uponim on. The Kehanim would come in,
put the new lechem uponim on the shayish
one when he went in or the silver one
when he went in. Al shel zahav
b'yitzi'asei. And the older lechem
uponim would be set down on the zahav
one. So it goes from the silver to the
gold and then back to the gold again.
And why does it go back to the gold
again? Shamala makdishin v'lo meireedin.
You got to only go up to the more
chashuv of gold. Echad shel zahav
bifnim. One of these golden ones was
inside. That was the one that's the
actual shulchan d'Moshe. Shel alav
lechem uponim tamid. It has to on there.
U'mi na alan d'mei'ireedin? This idea
that you can't be mei'ireedin, you
always have to be mala makdishin because
amar Rebbe Don Amar Kra, vayakem Moshe
es hamishkan vayiten es adonav vayosem
es krasha vayiten es berichav vayakem es
amudav. And Rashi has a few different
ideas of the fact that Moshe Rabbeinu
was the one who handled this or it's
referring to the Urias. So there are
different ways to understand how this
posuk is the makor that Moshe Rabbeinu
was makpid to only be malin bakodesh.
U'mi na alan d'malin? And how do you
know you always go up? Amar Rav Nachman
bar Yitzchak Don Amar Kra, es machtzei
achas ta'im eilu b'nafshai asu. But also
eis amudai kesef pacham tzipui
lamizbei'ach k'krivum lifnei Hashem
vayikadshu vi'yihu le'os livnei Yisrael.
It's keilim tashmish mizbei'ach. So
those shovels that were originally used
by the Levi'im, by the Bnei Korach that
died, so those were used in kind of a
smaller capacity because they were just
these keilim that had a hekdesh level.
But then they were achshav kodesh
kodashim mizbei'ach. They were actually
went up a level to be part of the
mizbei'ach itself. So you see that these
keilim that were used for the katoris
only went up a level, so too all other
things are mala makdishin v'lo
meireedin. Asher shibarta es sam tam
b'orain. That the luchos rishonos that
Moshe Rabbeinu broke should be put into
the aron. Tanna Rav Yosi, melameid
haluchos v'shivrei luchos munachin
ba'aron. Both the luchos and the shivrei
luchos were put into the aron.
Incidentally, when we were working on
the Mishkan book, the luchos that we put
in, we didn't actually do much to it
other than making it to a block, but
that block was blue sapphire, which
doesn't seem to be much of a shaila,
that's what it was. But it's not the way
that Charlton Heston was holding the
stone tablets or Mel Brooks in History
of the World. Either way, the picture in
our mind of Moshe Rabbeinu holding
luchos is not this stone kind of a
texture, but rather it was a blue
sapphire. But because of this limud of
putting the shivrei luchos in the aron,
Doctor Yosi mikabel talmid chacham
sheshochach talmudei machmas onsei. A
talmid chacham that forgets his learning
to no fault of his own she'ein nehegin
b'minhag b'zayin. You can't be mevazeh
him just because he forgot his learning.
He's those shivrei luchos. Siman bitul
Torah v'shochach. Amar Reish Lakish,
pa'amim turning over tamid bais should
be tul l'shel Torah hu yesudam.
Actually, the bitul of the Torah itself
is mekayem the Torah. An example of
being mevatal your talmud Torah to go
for levayas ameis achnasas kallah. But
in the same way, Moshe Rabbeinu who
broke the luchos rishonos was doing a
bitul of the Torah, which was actually a
kiyum ultimately the Torah. D'ichsav,
"Asher shibarta." Amar Hakadosh Baruch
Hu l'Moshe, "Yishar koach sheshibarta."
He gave Moshe Rabbeinu the yishar koach
and this is of course is that amazing
thing that the end of Moshe Rabbeinu's
life when we're extolling Moshe
Rabbeinu's greatest career achievements,
breaking the luchos was it. And the way
we can understand that is because Moshe
Rabbeinu, his whole life was to bring
Klal Yisrael to the Torah. And for him
to be able to throw away that which was
the most chashuv thing to him for the
sake of Klal Yisrael spoke the most
about the avodah Hashem of Moshe
Rabbeinu.
Amar Reish Lakish, talmid chacham
sheshochach. A talmid chacham that
doesn't have aveira ein mevazeh oso
b'farhesya. You're not going to call him
out b'rabim. Shenemar, u'chashalta hayom
u'chashal gam navi im kol layla. That we
are kaseihu kol layla, we cover up his
aveiras just like night. We have to be
very careful with the kavod of a talmid
chacham. And if he messes up, we don't
want to publicize that. Amar Reish
Lakish, another limud kol hamishakei'ach
davar echad mitalmudo over b'lav. If you
forget one word of Torah, you're over a
lav. Shenemar, "Shmor lecha u'shmor
nafshicha me'od pen tishkach es
hadvarim." U'chadri ovin amar Rebbe
Elah, amar Rebbe Elah, amar Rebbe Elah,
"K'mo chen amar heshamer pen va'al ineh
ela leisa'sei." So there's an issur in
the Torah to forget your learning, which
is a hard thing to understand. I mean,
it's a natural human weakness that we
forget things. And the Brisker Rav in
parshas Va'eschanan explains that this
issur exists, that we have to be so
careful not to forget Torah, that was
before we were allowed to write down
Torah sheb'al peh. Because the tragedy
of forgetting something might mean that
there's a break in the mesorah. So
that'll be an issur rabin the Torah. But
bizman hazeh, where everything is
written down, yeah, if you forget
something, it ain't the end of the
world. And Rebbe Gross pointed out that
it's not just simply that the lav went
away because now we wrote down the Torah
sheb'al peh. It's that the issur is to
break the mesorah. So that issur still
exists today. It's just right now you're
not going to be over that issur because
lemaisa, you're not hurting the mesorah.
That's how Rebbe Gross understood the
application of this Brisker Rav to
explain this Gemara. Ravina Amar,
"Hishamer u'pen shnei lavin neinu."
There's actually two different issurim.
So if you forget your Torah, you're
actually over two lavin. Rav Nachman bar
Yitzchak Amar, "Bishlosha lavin."
There's actually three issurim.
Shenemar, "Hishamer lecha u'shmor
nafshicha me'od pen tishkach es
hadvarim." Which actually allows us to
learn a third. So yachol afilu machmas
onsei, you might think that even if it's
not your fault at all, you'll be over
these issurim. Tam leimar, "U'pen yasuru
milvavecha." The mesorah meilivavcha as
midaber. That's if you do something that
actively makes you forget it. Rebbe
Dostai b'Rebbe Yanai Amar, "Yachol afilu
tokef al lav mishnaso." Even if you
forgot because you poshut couldn't
remember it all. Maybe it was too hard
to hold it all in your head. So Tom of
Lamer, rock is a miut to be my mind
someone who's not shy to it, meaning
it's not really his fault.
The Torah was given in 40 days when the
sham nights of our boy him and in the
sham of a person is made in 40 days,
right? Our boy him came to see us of
lot. That's how long it takes till
there's really a person there. So, call
him a sham to us in this message
if you're very careful to guard the
Torah, then your neshama is guarded. The
whole shame is Thomas of Torah ain't
nishmas of Maris and turn it the very of
well Marshall of Adam shamash of secret
of Adam day. If a person gave this kind
of a bird to his eved to watch it. I
already said come and do my Adam Adam.
You think that if you get to be lost and
you night of is
that I'll just take the cost of this
bird. But it's not true. This bird is
much more value to me. The MS's nishmas
and night of I will take your nishama. I
will kill you. So, watch this bird. So,
that's the idea that the Torah is much
more valuable than we even recognize
it's worth. So, the Mishnah shalom
and there were two different shalom in
the name of
I'll pass by us next to the doorway of
the base of Migdash. I could show you
shalom
one of these shalom is made of marble
which we had called earlier Kasef and
one was made of Zov gold. I'll show you
shalom nice and upon
the kind of put the upon him on it when
they went in. The Zov is yes on these
one of Zov when they went out. I mean
the old ones. Shalom
with my reading the shalom of him and
the shalom I guess that's the shalom of
the my show which is inside the actual
all of upon him to me. There was always
shalom upon him on there to me. But our
boy of four can we go in and be out of
the arm two of them had two stacks of
shalom and
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it talks about the other one like this
is referring to that space that we just
referred to earlier that the would stand
on that northern side of the to do this
work. The other one the other one the
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meaning of one would be exactly where
the other one was. So, this way you
would have no empty space. You shall not
have to me this
of the shalom upon him on the shalom.
So, not even one moment you can have the
shalom being empty. You may I am a few
night of the
other one a big deal even if the other
one take off the old ones and then the
other one would only afterwards put the
new ones on. I feel I said to me that
would still be considered continuous. It
would also still be there all the time.
We'll talk more about that tomorrow. You
have to once the other one left the
other one and the other one the other
one and they would put the old on that
shalom that was of and they would
burn the other one. Why not? The other
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then eat them. Now,
where they can't eat the
other one the other one the other one
the other one they would have them that
night after the other one was over. The
other one the other one the other one
the other one falls out on a Friday.
Sorry shall I make it a little
they'll eat it on Friday night. They'll
eat the other one on that or first
Friday night. They have them
I said
those from bubble could eat it even raw
but they should
because they weren't so picky about it.
Now, we'll see more about this in the
so I think the other one regarding this
idea of the
of the
on the shalom. Tanya the other one the
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took the old off in the morning the
other one
and not put the new ones on until that
evening the other one no problem. The
other one
the other one which implies you always
have to have the other one there. No,
just means the other one the other one
you can't be left overnight or for a
full day without having any on there.
I'm already on me the other one the
other one the other one the other one
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one the other one the other one the
other one the other one even if you only
learn one of Torah in the morning and
one later in the day you have to learn
Torah because
you don't have to learn non-stop. You
just have to learn once in the day once
in the evening. That's considered a of
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a person needs to learn as long as you
say twice a day. The other one the other
one
don't say this to the other one cuz
they'll take advantage. The other one
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one the other one the other one the
other one what a is going to be for the
other one all he has to do is say
and he'll be of course you might
remember from the
this is actually where the jump onto
this say what do you mean you got to
learn all day
that the other one
says about the person has to learn all
day
but because the only coming with
so therefore you're not going to have a
problem with
it's not
that's the other one but about a person
has to learn all the time. There's a and
there are some that are this you have to
learn all the time that it's kind of a
scale depending on the person. In other
words, the person who has the ability
and the to learn all day he
to learn all day. The person who doesn't
isn't as much. It will depend on that
person's capabilities. I will just point
out the and
that says that a person doesn't make
all day even though you make a new
every time you walk out of the
because
that a every time you leave the you're
but because you have a
the makes it that you're not may
that's
a person like takes a nap in the middle
of the day. And what it sounds like from
is that the very fact there is a
that
that makes it that a person can't be
in other words, the very existence of a
makes it that whether or not you
consciously or not consciously are being
doesn't matter. We look at it like
there's no
that's
the rush in
doesn't seem to say it that way. The
rush in says that the nature of a person
is to always want to go back to their
learning even when he's in his
etc. It's only because he really wants
to learn but he has to do this but his
mind is always going back to his
learning. It sounds like according to
the rush if a person would actually be
he wouldn't need a new
and based on that the base of says a
beautiful idea about
that why was that the reason that the
base of Migdash got destroyed cuz they
didn't make
what's so terrible. So, the base of like
this rush they were genuinely
they learned here and there but they
weren't really focused on their learning
and because they weren't really
interested in running back to their
learning properly well then they really
needed a new
so the fact that they were
is a sign that they really weren't
caring about their learning enough. Oh,
that's
because of that the base of Migdash was
lost. Okay, we're going to stop here.
We're going to talk some more about the
limit of Torah stuff on tomorrow's stuff
but we'll call it for now.