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Menachos Daf 96
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All right, daf tzadi vav, Friday's daf,
picking up with the mishna on tzadi vav.
As this pair continues to discuss more
of the kind of unique minachos, lechem
hapenim being kind of a unique one, and
now we're up to the chavitei kohen
gadol. So, where were those prepared?
Well, lishason, varichoson, vafiyoson
were all done bifnim. So, those chavitei
kohen gadol, which were divided in half,
one for the morning, one for the
afternoon, all the prep was done inside
the Beis Hamikdash in the chatzer. We're
not concerned about avsulina because as
Rashi points out, this was only mussar
to the kohanim. There was reason
ledaychais es ha shabbos. Those
processes were deche shabbos, but
techinasan vaharqadasan, the grinding
and sifting of the flour ainah deche es
ha shabbos. And even though the actual
bringing of the chavitein and the
carpentometer all deche shabbos, but the
preparation, the techina and the harqada
are not deche shabbos. And now we get
into why. Klal omer Rebbi Akiva, this is
the same Rebbi Akiva that's in Rebbi
Elozar demila also. Kol melacha
she'efshar la'asosa me'erev shabbos, if
you could have done it before shabbos,
so then ainah deche es ha shabbos. You
can't do it You can't now be deche
shabbos. However, she'efshar la'asosa
me'erev shabbos, well, then okay, deche
es ha shabbos. If you couldn't do it
beforehand, then you can do it on
shabbos itself. So, part of the
preparation of the minchas chavitein,
namely the lisha, the aricha, the afiya,
those have to be done on shabbos itself
cuz if you do it on erev shabbos, you'll
have avsulina by the next morning. But
the techina and the harqada can be done
before shabbos, and therefore it's not
deche shabbos. Continues the mishna, "Al
kol haminachos, all other korbanos yeish
bohein ma'aseh kli bifnim." And Rashi
understands the ma'aseh kli to be the
lisha and the aricha. All that happens
inside the chatzer of the Beis
Hamikdash. "Ve'ein bohein ma'aseh kli
bachutz." The ma'aseh kli, which are
these processes of the lisha and the
aricha, cannot be done outside the
chatzer. Now, let's talk about the
actual dimensions of the shnei lechem
and the lechem hapenim. "Shnei halechem
arkan shiva tefachim." It was seven
tefachim long. "Verachban arba
tefachim." It was four tefachim wide,
which Rebbi Gershom over here points out
is a halacha leMoshe miSinai.
"Dekarnaisa arba etzba'os." And their
little karnais, those little pieces of
dough that were stuck on were four
etzba'os. That's not a tefach, it's a
finger breadth. So, those little
additional pieces were stuck onto the
corners of the lechem. Rebbe Yehudah
omer, "Shelo titay, so you shouldn't
confuse the different lechem between
lechem haponim and shtei lechem." So, he
comes up with this mnemonic device of
zadad yahaz. So, the zadad, the zayin
dalet dalet, are the dimensions of the
shtei lechem because the zayin is the
seven and the four that we just talked
about. And the yahaz is the length,
width, and the karnayim of the lechem
haponim, the 10 5 and 7. Now, Rebbe
Yehudah, of course, is famous for making
these kinds of simanim. Who could forget
his famous work of the tzara'at ba'av at
the Pesach seder. There's an interesting
Tiferes Yisrael that makes the actual
siman more symbolic that zadad is a
lashon of the zadad, like shadayim that
a tinok is yanik from, that we're
somehow yanik from these lechem. And you
can listen to Rebbe Gross that talks
about those things. Ben Zoma omer,
"Vinasa al shulchan lechem haponim
lefanai tamid." So, the lechem haponim
have to be on the shulchan tamid,
continuously. And we ta'itch lechem
panim, sheyuloi panim, they have to have
faces, meaning they have to have
multiple surfaces. So, hashulchan, on
the actual shulchan, arkai asar
verochbai chamisha. It was 10 tefachim
by 5 tefachim because each one of the
amos was made up of a 5 tefach amos. So,
memelo, it was 10 by 5 the surface. Nice
and arkai keneged rochbai shel shulchan,
so the kayin would put the lechem
haponim with its length across the width
of the shulchan. Dekayif tefachim
umachtzay mikan, and he would bend up
two and a half of the tefachim on each
side of the lechem because the length of
every one of these lechem is 10
tefachim. And the width of the shulchan
is only 5 tefachim. So, we've got to
make up for half of that size of the
lechem. So, by taking two and a half on
each side of the breads, hence the
U-shape we've been talking about. That
vertical line of two and a half on each
side will now give us a footprint of 5
tefachim of the actual lechem. So,
nimtza arkam umalei rochbai shel
shulchan, so the length of the lechem
will fill the width of the shulchan.
Divrei Rebbe Yehudah. Rebbe Meir omer,
"No, hashulchan is arkai shnayim asar
verochbai shisha." It's actually 12 by
6. And then for the lechem haponim is
arkai asar verochbai chamisha, which was
10 by 5. So, nice and arkai keneged
rochbai shel shulchan, the kayin would
put the lechem haponim with its length
across the width of the table. And kayif
they would mikan, he didn't than two and
a half on each side. And therefore there
would be two in between the two stacks
in the middle of the
in between the two stacks in the middle
of the what's the point of that empty
area?
So this way there will be air flow and
it won't let these become moldy.
You know what you know what we use that
open space between the two stacks?
Like you see in the pictures. You put
the spoons of the
in between those two stacks. So we
needed some space between the bread.
They said to
the
you put the
the not in between the two stacks on the
on the
the all of matter of so you see the word
doesn't really mean physically on top
but it could be nearby and so too by the
it meant it was nearby.
There were these four sniffing I guess
you can call them sticks that would kind
of support which were
they had projections at their top each
one of these sticks had a whole bunch of
these little pegs that were sticking out
that the would use to support the
and
two of these sniffing with their
projections would be for each side of
the different stacks of the
28 of rods that went across horizontally
and they were like a hollow read they
were almost like a semi circular kind of
half circle in order to be able to allow
the air flow to go through
and the 28 would be divided into two
groups of 14 for each one of the two
stacks. Now we see their the way these
different rods that were on the
and their removal from them those are
not
this is understood by the to be an
because it looks like yellow which they
do
the go in on the
take away these rods and
the
and they would put them along the length
of the itself. He would actually put
them on the floor along the length of
the on day he would take away the old
column arrange all the new ones in the
columns. After shabbos he would return
to put those rods between all the stacks
of those lechem. And lastly closes out
this nice long Mishnah Kol HaKelim
Shehayu BaMikdash Archon Lo Archon Shel
Bayis. All of the Kelim that were in the
Beis HaMikdash they were put with their
length going along the length of the
Heichal which essentially means they
were going east to west and it's not
just by the Shulchan it was also by the
Menorah. But the Gemara is going to say
how the Aron itself went from north to
south and that was the exception to that
rule. Zach Degel Torah Kol HaMenachos
Yeish Bohen Meiseh Kelim Bifnim. They
all have their Lisha and their Aricha
that's all done in the Beis HaMikdash in
the Chatzer. And they're all done inside
of this Kli Charis in the Beis
HaMikdash. So Shulchan Lo Us Rebbe Zum
Einan. How do you know that the Lisha
the Aricha of the Korban Mincha has to
be done in a Kli Charis inside the Beis
HaMikdash? Amar Leim. Rebbe says back
Karei Hu Omer the Pasuk says Vayomer
Eliyahu Makom Asher Yevashlu Sham
HaKohanim Es HaOshem Es HaChatos Asher
Yaifu Es HaMincha LeVilti Hotzi Es
HaChatzer HaChitzona. This is the Pasuk
in Yechezkel talking about the third
Beis HaMikdash describing what the
Kohanim were they're going to do their
baking etc. So Mincha Domeh LeOshem
VeChatos the Pasuk is putting together a
Mincha just like the other Korbanos of
Chatos and an Oshem. So Ma Oshem
VeChatos Te'urin B'Kli to cook these
Korbanos you need to have a Kli Charis
Af Mincha Nami Te'ureh B'Kli. Even for
the Lisha and the Aricha. And the
Mishnah then said HaShulchan Arko Asarah
which then we got into how you have to
bend up the sides of these Lechem
HaPanim so they'll all fit. Amar Rebbi
Yochanan LeDivrei Ha'Ameirim Tifachim
Me'etza Keifel that the bend up these
Lechaim two and a half Tifachim which is
according to Rebbi Yehudah. Nimtza
Shulchan Mekadesh Chamisha Asar Tifachim
LeMa'alah. If you do the math you're
going to figure out that there was 15
Tifachim of height that it went up that
the Shulchan would be Mekadesh. And
LeDivrei Ha'Ameirim Tifachim Keifel
according to Rebbi Meir would you bend
it up two Tifachim? Then Nimtza Shulchan
Mekadesh Shnei Mesar Tifachim LeMa'alah.
It was a 12 Tifach vertical Kidush.
Farkhte Gemara how are you only
Chashvinin the Lechaim? Well I get
Konim. The rods adds more height. Nah
cuz Konim Sheku'ei Meshakelu. There was
these indentations in the actual Lechaim
where these Konim did not add any extra
space. If you look at the pictures that
we rendered that I posted the other day,
you can actually see that we actually
put those indentations at the bottom of
the lechem. Bring to mind what my time
is, why we putting these different kind
of in between the lechem? Because we
don't want the bread to become
moldy. So, those kind of allow the air
to flow in between. But, if those kind
of are actually in the lechem because we
created these indentations and therefore
there's no additional air. So, if
they're going up a little bit, the
rods are supporting these lechem one
above the other. So, there is some air
space in between the top of one lechem
and the bottom of the kind of above it.
Well, if that's the case, well then they
are a little higher. So, that
should add to the height and therefore
the kind of of the lechem is going to go
higher than the 15 or 12 respectively
that we said. It is like the one now.
Given the way that they are not a real
kind of because it's only a little bit
less than a kind of
because it's only a little bit less than
a kind of so it's like
therefore we're rounding it down. If
the kind of
are put on top of the lechem and that
will certainly add height to what the
kind of is. Which actually actually asks
the question that it's not that the kind
of itself is being the kind of the kind
of
so it's funny that the kind of asks the
question about how you can kind of but
the kind of says here the kind of
have a kind of the kind of were inside
of the kind of they didn't actually sit
on top but they were within the air
space of the cavity if you will of the
kind of but how do the kind of have a
kind of so they were already included in
that kind of but the kind of
says you got little horns that stick up
above the kind of that should add height
everything the kind of says the kind of
kind of they were folded into the lower
kind of the kind of kind of and the
other kind of sat on them like they're
almost inserted in so therefore the
actual kind of added no height to the
entire stack of the kind of turning over
to the kind of what about the kind of
what about the kind of kind of a frame
that went all the way around and that
should add some height now because kind
of
kind of
according to the kind of he'll learn
that that kind of is below the top
surface of the kind of and therefore it
doesn't add any height to the actual
kind of and even the kind of kind of
kind of kind of kind of it bent upward
outside of the kind of the kind of the
kind of
this way the kind of were on the surface
of the table and they weren't sitting on
the kind of so even though the kind of
might have actually been above but it
didn't add any height to the stack of
lechem. Okay, the tanya like the braisa
says "Rebbi Asi Omer, lo haya shom
sniffin, there were no sniffin that were
on the shulchan el misgarte shel
shulchan mamash es ha lechem that was
supporting the lechem." And Reb Loiza
said "No, the misgarte le mata aisa, it
was below the surface of the shulchan
and therefore it didn't support the
lechem." Omer Rebbi Yochanan "Le divrei
Omer misgarte le mata aisa, if you hold
that that misgaris was below the surface
of the shulchan, so tavla misapeches
temaya, you should be able to learn that
a tavla that can be used on both sides,
that's a tavla misapeches because it's
flat on both sides, should be shaiach le
mekabel tumah even though there's no
base kibbul. So, le chiyura you could
bring a raya that according to this
tana, that kind of keli that has no base
kibbul, even though it's just a flat
tavla, can be mekabel tumah. And le
divrei Omer misgarte le mata aisa, if
you hold that the misgaris was above, so
it wraps around the perimeter of the
shulchan, tavla misapeches dibay lecha,
the tumah of a tavla is still going to
be a shaila and you can't bring a raya
from the shulchan. Now, based on that,
mi klal de shulchan bar kibbulei tumah,
the whole assumption of this is that the
shulchan in the Beis Hamikdash actually
is a keli that's mekabel tumah. But, le
chiyura kli eitz she oso le hanacha su,
a kli eitz that's not moving around
because it's intended to be stationary
is not mekabel tumah. Ve chol kli eitz
she oso le hanacha su ein mekabel tumah.
And my taama because de mi disakvin it
has to be like a sack. And mi sak
metalto malei ve reikan, just like a
normal use of a sack, full and empty.
So, af kol metalto malei ve reikan. But,
something that's never meant to be moved
around, my piano is not going to be
mekabel tumah because it's sitting there
on the ground and not to be moved. And
le chiyura that's the same thing by the
shulchan. So, why would Rebbi Yochanan
say that it was shaiach to be mekabel
tumah? Efer de Gemara "Ki shulchan nami
metalto malei ve reikan." Ki de Reish
Lakish it actually was moved around full
and empty. Ki de Reish Lakish de Rebbi
Reish Lakish "Ma de kaseiv al ha
shulchan ha tahor? That you should put
the lechem ha panim on this shulchan ha
tahor." Tahor mi klal de ketamei, you
don't tell me something is tahor unless
it could also become tamei. But, how's
it shaiach? Le chiyura it's a kli eitz
that's not supposed to be moving. Ela mi
lami de magbian aisa le oilai regalim,
they would lift up the shulchan for all
the oilai regel u mar'in bo lechem and
they would show the lechem ha panim. Ve
omerim lahem "Re'u ki baschim lifnei
Hashem." "Look how See how beloved you
are." And how do you see the because the
Kohanim would show this lechem to these
Regalim that was a week old and it was
still hot as it was put there right
beforehand. And the advice points out
that even though the Regalim couldn't
actually feel the lechem. How do they
know that they're still fresh? They were
able to see the steam rising from it and
that nice showed the and the from
Kadivar Levi the Shimon Levi nice nice
upon him that
was
at the time they took it off it was hot
and fresh just like it was when they put
it on there.
Lo some lechem by him he
So you see that one of the uses of the
was to lift it with the lechem on it. So
clearly it was meant to be a cleat that
was carried while it was full of stuff
as well and therefore it had to be like
a sack. It could become tamei and you
could bring rise from there to the
table. And this is a good place for us
to pause. We'll pick it up
at the mission secret.