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All right. Zion Wednesday.
We actually get to finish the peric
today. But first, we got the Mishna on
to do.
From whence would they bring their wine?
Meaning when they needed wine in the BD,
they didn't just go to the store to buy
it. So where did it come from?
The wine made in those different cities.
That's the top shelf stuff. So ideally
the wine should come from those cities.
Second place would be
really everywhere would be kosher but
this is where they would bring the wine
from. And now like we had in the
previous Mishnim
not from fertilized fields
or irrigated ones where the grapes would
be weaker
or not from vines where there are other
seeds planted in between obviously not
with killay. They would be also brought
up from everybody the reshim speak out
but ones that were done in a kasher but
they're weaker. However, vim haven it'll
still be kosher. A may be in helyon.
I'll bring the helyon wine. Vim haven
also ev it'll be kosher. Now this
heliiston wine was exceedingly sweet.
And they did this by keeping the grapes
in the sun for a longer amount of time
to make them sweeter. The word
helisticon has its shrish in the word
helise which the says means the sun. So
it'll be kosher.
Don't bring last year's wine.
Don't bring from sweet wines. These are
not grapes that were bada left out of
the sun but just they naturally became
sweet. Orashi naviad says it's wine that
hasn't fermented for 40 days but either
way it's a wine. Don't use it for us.
Don't use smoked or cooked wine. It's
going to be puzzle. Here you have the
reference of course to yushel which is
pretty clear is the more type of wine.
Some people like to use yin that's not
mushel for their kdish etc. But we
certainly asking yush's kosher. The
minis don't bring wine from grapes that
were on vines that were suspended up
above meaning that they arevak
the wines that are so long that they're
already on the ground. Roy being milian
regel that's by people's feet. So it
gets the earth's nutrients better and
becomes better grapes brings to mind the
great chevra from that we say the inve
is something that is suspended right you
put the vine on some sort of trellis or
post and then it hangs down. So we tell
the Kala that they're not self-made.
They're being built on the support of
the people that came before them in
their mishbas. This is where you insert
the joke about the support being about.
But that's the great part you can always
use for you are welcome.
And you should bring though from these
vineyards that were cultivated. They
were dug around to allow the water to
get to them. And we'll see more in the
Gar about how often that's done.
And don't put the wine in these large
casks because it ruins the taste of the
wine.
but in small.
Don't totally fill up the whole barrel
until the very tippy top
because what's going to happen? It's
going to force the gishmaka taste of the
wine out when you open the barrel, but
rather you want to have the taste of the
wine collect in the open space inside
the barrel such that when you unccork
the barrel, the will waft out.
Don't use for from the mouth of the
barrel moving over to because of the
mold which will rise to its surface be
at the very top
and don't bring from the bottom of the
barrel because the sediment that settles
there Ella where's the best place in the
barrel to draw out your wine maybe bring
from the middle third of the barrel
which the means from the center the
middle of that middle third which is a
little odd just say the middle of the
barrel so it might mean the bottom part
of that middle third in rash but in the
meantime certainly the middle section
How do you check and monitor to make
sure there's nothing coming out of your
wine barrel?
Gizber from the mdish would have this
measuring stick that he would keep with
him. Zoraka gear the gear which is the
white yaki foam that floats on the
sediment at the bottom of the barrel.
When that comes out hikshak he would hit
the guy in charge of the spigot and say
okay shut it off right now. We're going
to see in the you don't want to speak
during the time of dealing with the yan.
So he would like hit him with the yard
stick to tell him to shut off the valve
and that's the shot that Arashi Naviad
brings. The sheita brings a different
shot from Arashi. It says that they
would actually hit the barrel at that
point.
Wine that has mold in it is going to be
possible for the whereas was just saying
to avoid the mold inside the barrel and
therefore don't take from the top of the
barrel is being more saying that that
makes the whole barrel ple for
putting together these two drases to ple
the whole thing if it's not perfect in
its entirety. It's like the Alta Shila
in the Kramer household. When you take
the cream cheese out of the fridge and
there's a little drop of mold on there,
can you scrape off the mold or do you
got to throw out the whole cream cheese?
So that's what seems to be going on
between the tentac review.
You can't bring the sweet cooked or
smoked wine. Vim hav will be puzzle.
Earlier in the mission it said because
it's so sweet. Vimhav kosher. So histian
wine which is super sweet is going to be
kosher. But now you're telling me it's
going to be puzzle. to steer in the
mission of Omarina put it together and
make one out of it that that the hilist
and the mos are both going to be ple
even doesn't read so nice I entice that
wants to read this as a kula but alon
the miss is putting it together raashi
kya le mo it's not true they're two
different the hist becomes sweet because
of the sun it's the shima and therefore
that's not going to be a problem however
if it's a certain kind of that gives off
a sweeter wine that's me and that's why
the mission which is between which is
going to be
from those kind of sweet grapes that
will be puzzled and the mission said
why is last year's wine going to be
puzzled because
is always referring to a lamb in its
first year.
So the y used for cannot be old wine.
Okay. But then take it all the way
meaning the wine in its second year
should be ple in the same way that the
is
says
it'll be kosher and manovi
who said you shouldn't bring the yosh
it's rebby. So we can assume that the
tana of the bry is also rebi the may
kosher. So don't make it from a lemwood
from the because the is going to be
it's a different mocker
which is the kahelis warning people to
avoid averis and the wine when it's the
most red which says that it's
only in that first year it starts to
fade after year number one so therefore
you shouldn't use the then the mission
said
ice don't bring wine from vines that
were suspended up on the dolly ice on
these trelluses but rather you should
take wine from grapes that were on
longer vines and ones that were
cultivated. So let's define that
to be aim that means you dug around it
to make sure it gets the irrigation
properly twice a year. Ravies hava
depardesa raves had a corner area of a
vineyard duffk bay fer rifka that he dug
a lot extra meaning he did a second
digging every year
al train and this land made a wine that
was so intense that it required two
times the water that typical wine would
be diluted with so you see that if the
carum is of it creates a much more of an
intense wine then the mission said
don't put the wine into a large big
barrel but rather you should put into
small barrels of the says
These small barrels we're talking about,
they're the size of these mediumsiz
containers that were made in
don't put them two by two, meaning side
by side because Rashavad says that one
is going to be the other one
separate these containers. And then the
tells us how you check out the wine as
it's coming out to make sure it has no
impurities in it.
He would hold that measuring stick in
his hand. Kikh pakana once he saw some
of the frothy stuff coming out because
of the sediment he would smack with the
con the brace says zor shel shamarim
when the barrel put out some of this
frothy stuff from the sediment gizrahika
he would hit with the ket to indicate
turn off the spigot now what's he
hitting anybody for why he just telling
the guy turn it off why he hit him
because
in the same way that speech is good for
the as rashi brings from the garis
we would say to grind it up very well.
By it's the opposite. Don't talk so
much. Why is that? Well, perhaps the
represents things that are done by and
makes people talk too much. So, you
always want to do the opposite. You want
to speak more by the speak less by the
one of the or somebody says something
like that. And the mishad said
that even a little bit of moldles the
whole barrel of the wine.
Let's say a person was makish their
moldy wine for the same kind of sh we
had in the past couple
maybe that's animal it was talking of
the rad I kept forgetting who the rean
was that makes the out of all these
apparently it's the
ends off by saying again
the best rams for carbonus came from the
land of mayim and the best lambs came
from a gullim where they come from
misharin and
birds.
What's the best kind of lamb to bring?
That their height is like their width.
Meaning they should be very fat.
Lamb is the best kind of carbon you can
bring.
So you see the makes the lamb sound like
it's good if it's fat. And now another
member from
so these
should be they should not be silent. So
my what are they saying? So
get up. They're being get up too.
So this is what the shy are now diving
for. But my armory that sounds like this
all post what happened before the what
would they say?
Hashem has chosen
he was desiring it for his for his
dwelling there. And with that
and now we start the 10th parax.
There were two measures like imagine two
measuring cups in the B mikdash is
the just understands this Mishna for
push that there weren't only two
physical kum because there were multiple
kahan doing things at the same time. So
these are the two different kinds of
measuring cups that they had in the BA
mikdash mayor is
but there were really three according to
mayor the isarin the isarn and the of
course this needs explanation cuz and
are the same things we'll see in the
what did they use the to measure
because all the carbon required such a
kal to measure
they didn't measure with a larger kal
that had all three is in the same kali
or a two isin kali for the ma that came
along with the isle but rather they
would do increments of a single is three
times for the power or twice for the
aisle and therefore they only needed the
kali that would measure a single and
what's for
as we've learned the kayang would split
the kav in half in the morning half the
afternoon so you needed a kali that
would give you half of an isar
measurement tanya now let's bring up
bryson to help us understand she
deserved mayor that argued with the
tanakam armish ho mayor
the doubled.
There were two different types of
measurements of an
one was like a heaping measurement and
one was leveled out at the top. So the
physical kali for the godish was
actually a smaller kali. A heaping
amount went over and above the rim of
the kali and that's how they would use
the measurement for all of the carbon
mas turning over to but the larger
that they would measure out for the
which required and then was later
divided into the
was used using a shear of the larger kal
with a flattened out top.
There was only one kind of measuring cup
in the basin.
What's that doubleion? That's
so that's the second ki mayor uses the
doubleion to say that there were two
separate measuring. So then how does he
know that there was also another kay
learns it from that additional v in the
beginning
mayor
because he doesn't need that and for the
mayor you shouldn't measure
don't use a bigger kay that would have
three isus or two is respectively but
rather repeat the process of the
singlearn multiple times how do they
know that
meaning from the dots that are on top of
the word is in the
why is there a dot in that word
that's where you find that dot in that
particular word
but rather repeat the single is
measurement verb mayor she doesn't make
any from that dot on the word is then
the mission said
what did they do with the kay
who would do half in the morning and
half in the afternoon
you're measuring the right in the
beginning it's not true the Mishna tells
us 37 ago
it didn't start off that way in halves
maybe
they would take a full and they would
divide it there so from that you measure
a full and
when we say the Misha is talking about
it's what our means to say is once the
has measured the complete is He then
divides it into two different halves
using the other kal of the measurement
that is
as we've seen there two different kinds
of kum if it's a little smaller and it's
heaping or if it's larger and it's
smoothed out
is not a mayor like you said mayor even
also acknowledged the existence of kay
so again was it gobbraern
and goya
but I was specifically asking about dava
mayor because according to a mayor you
had multiple kum for the isarian so
there was never a shil according to a
mayor the shila only exists as a unique
question for a mayor because according
to a mayor you have two kum for the and
one for the katisarn so the question by
the katisarn fear of mayor was what's
going to be the status god but really
inami in theory the question is really
also on
mayor mayor mayor
mayor
for the so
will also be because clearly requires
mayor and from the fact that mayor
requires being for
because was baked into 12 loaves. Six
were done in the morning, six were done
in the afternoon. So Brahma is asking
how was the dough of these different
sixen loaves divided by his hands with
an estimation by or with a tool. So Dr.
Clearly he did with his hands.
He would have to bring a scale in to
measure and that doesn't seem
perfecting. Why is that so strange to
you? If you need to be exact and you
have to bring a measuring scale bring in
the scale
since scales there's a in the
kind of a sound. So even though there's
no per seab but the terra is very stark
when it comes to scales. So we don't
even want to have that association to a
scale in the mdash.
is the where they would put the upon him
and they would also have the so itself
is so
the kmates in its airspace meaning not
in the let's say you just put it on the
table surface itself would that also
work the
as we just said the itself is so it also
nowades
and what's is only going to be the upon
and the lead Omar
is not going to take care of the of the
according to the that holds of the would
bend each side of the two and upward as
we're going to learn in a few about the
description of how the upon him looked
that they had these two parallel raised
sides. So
that the itself is being an area of 15
because each one of these went up two
and a half and this was a stack. So it'
be six * 2 and 1/2 each one of the two
stacks equaling 15. And since the madesh
all of the clearly its ability to be
madish goes as far as 15 up above its
surface. Bottom line is things that are
sitting on the are certainly going to be
mad. So let it also be the
can't be something that it could be
brought in this
but it can be something to the extent
that it could now become which is
another way of saying that the is but
it's a lesser degree. It's only in so
much that if it becomes in contact with
its fully or it could have a potential
so it has that elevated status but it's
not like it's really like what we
actually need for the kits of these
levina. And we'll stop here and pick it
up with the Mishna or aential pesak