Menachos Daf 86

All right, I get my oil. That pay valve Tuesday air of second days is daft. Let's pick it up at the bottom line of pay him a base. And may be in lame a base house of all them. You can't bring the shaman from the olive trees from a field that was fertilized. As we said, it's quite gross. And then the mission went on to say that you can't bring this a pic nine oil. That's going to be possible. So Tanya I the brightest says ain't may be in a pic ton moving over to middle of the M heavy. It's going to be possible me show him. Should who saw rough because it's not even considered an oil. And the higher it's not like our mission because our mission is listing a pic nine as an oil. happens not to be kosher. We now have a steer between this bracer and our mission is a pic nine actually considered an oil at all. So I'm review yourself like kosher Harvey here and Harvey Shimon Bar Rebbe. Rebbe here is all right here. Rebbe here would throw it out because he wasn't much of it as oil in the first place. But Rebbe Shimon Bar Rebbe me top of bay. He would dip his food in it implying that he did consider it to be oil. Even though it was inferior quality but he considered it to be oil. The see money a sheer of McCammon ton that the wealthy will act like stingy people because of Shimon Bar Rebbe was the son of Rebbe. Rebbe as we know is famously very wealthy. So his son Rebbe Shimon had all the money but he would still save save this inferior kind of shaman because this idea of a sheer of McCammon ton. The possible says in Miguel's Esther Shisha Hadasha in the shaman of Mar. The part of this expensive makeover that the girls had before being with the Hash virus. So the possible says it's called shaman of Mar. So my shaman of Mar. Now that we're talking about oil. So Rebbe Huna Bar Hia of Mar is a tafta. Whatever kind of oil that is. Rebbe Yirmiyahu Bar Abba of Mar shaman size shall be slush. Very early olives. And Tanya with her in the bracer Rebbe Huda Emer a pic nine shaman size shall be slush. Now the my second I say what's the Mila of this kind of shaman of Mar. The Gamora she makes sure to say it takes off the hair and makes the skin look like it. Then the mission had said ain't may be in min high gargarin should not be in my arm. Don't bring oil from olives that were soaked in the water or that they were pickled or boiled. Those are all going to be possible. So turn around on shaman size. If they were covered shall look sure. If they are pickled boiled or soaked or official shaman or oil that came out of the shaman. That's the leftover parts of the sediment of the olives. The shell ray of raw or if it the mice is a ray of raw. And if they may be it will be possible. It's my cave. Boy rabba, he gets you have a person goes ahead and is makdish one of these kinds of bad inferior shamans for a carbon mincha. This is a similar shilo we had yesterday. Should you get malkis as if you're being makdish behemas bal mum because in the same way even the possul ki bal mum domi. And the question as we mentioned is why does the mar keep on doing this? Asking what seems to be the same shilo over and over again. I don't remember which one of the shinom actually goes through and makes the tree out of it, but that is addressed in the rishinom. And the mar is off once again that this is going to be a takeo. Talk to the mishna. Shloisha zaysin hain u've hain shloisha shloisha shmonim. There are three different times, three different z'manim when you harvest olives. And within each one of those three harvests, there are three different levels of hashivus of oil. So let's go through each one. Hazayis harishon, the first olive harvest. Berayshis zayis, you take off the olives from the top of the tree which has the most exposure to the sun. Those are the best olives. Kayisish min zayin l'sayichah sal, and you squish them inside the basket. And therefore the oil that comes out of these olives is the best oil. L'sayichah sal, you don't just put them in the base of the basket, you put them on the sides of the basket. That way they're kind of stuck on the sides of the basket and the oil will drip out naturally and that yields the best oil. Zeh rishon, this is the greatest oil from that first harvest of olives. Hazer vetayin bakayirah, then you press the olives with the beam to get more oil out. Bavanim, with stones. Zeh shayni, that's the second tier of oil from that same harvest. Hazer vetochin betan, you grind it up again to get more. Zeh shlishi, that's the third madregah. Harishon l'min nayirah, that first perfect oil is what we use the shemen zayis sach that you use for the min nayirah. V'sha'ar l'minachos, the rest can be used for a carbon mincha. They're all kosher. Hashayni, the second harvest of olives. Megargerei beraysha gag, they would pick out whatever is at the top of the rooftops. Not quite the same exposure as the trees, but still lots of sunlight. Rebi Yehudah imer svivus hasal, it's the same process. Zeh rishon, that'll be the best of this second harvest. Then tayin bakayirah, Rebi Yehudah imer bavanim, and that's zeh shayni. Hazer vetochin betan, and you do another process of grinding and pressing, and zeh shlishi. So harishon l'min nayirah again, v'sha'ar l'minachos. So it's a the very similar lineup as the first and second harvest about the three gradations of oil quality schleshy in the third olive harvest you pack all of the olives into the vat until they start to break down there's some spoilage happening which releases whatever is left inside you take it up and dry it up on top of the roof you grind it up and you put it inside the basket in the same way that's the best of that third harvest then you press it to get more out I'm saying it closer to try to get the most out and I wish I wish I could boil my tonight my God sounds like it just be a word issue but makes a difference between these two different expressions this is similar like we have another places like the beginning of so just want to figure out the right word to use the Tanya the price of says Shimon that that Shimon should be from the olive without any pressing it just comes out on its own from the olive size is about then you bring it to the olive press but I can have a nice and you put it in the basket Shimon that oil that comes out at that time how you wish I had that's the best first stuff you press it with a beam Shimon how you wish I had because of that I wish I had I wish I had I wish I had I wish I had I wish I had and the same exact lineup happens for the second harvest wait for it to get spoiled make it into a pile that looks like a date meaning it's wide at the bottom and narrow at the top she has to make them all until the liquid comes out of it I wish I had I wish I had I wish I had I wish I had I I pound it with a mortar and continues with a low higher time you don't press with a beam only do it with the stones below higher nice and masulin, don't put it in the baskets al l'sach sviva yesa al except the inside of the basket. So, Rebbi Yehuda has his nuanced differences about the process here. But, what's the point of all this? Do you see from the braisa that uses the expression of megulgalai, which is he allows it to ripen and not meguragarei. Now, from the gemara, hugufa kasha. The mishna alainish fair because kaisish money. Who's the tana of the mishna that says that he smashes the olives? It's going to be Rebbi Yehuda. But, when the tana kama is saying toich hasal, ason l'rabonan, that's going like she does rabonan. So, the mishna alainish fair min ubei, to which the gemara says hai tana savar l'kavash u'vachada, u'palagalei v'chada. The tana of our mishna holds like Rebbi Yehuda l'gabei one thing, meaning the pounding versus the grinding it up. U'palagalei v'chada, he argues with Rebbi Yehuda whether or not the olives go on the side of the basket or the bottom of the basket. So, all is right in the world. It's like the mishna, harishon sh'barishon, ain l'ma'ala heimenu. There's nothing above that. First harvest, top quality, best olives. The rishon of the rishon. Ashaini sh'barishon v'harishon sh'bashaini, those are shavin. In other words, the second oil that comes out of that first harvest, and the first oil that comes out of the second harvest, those are equal. Ashlishi sh'barishon v'ashaini sh'bashaini v'harishon sh'bashlishi are all shavin. The third quality of the first harvest, the second quality of the second harvest, and the top quality of the third harvest, those are also on equal footing. Ashlishi sh'bashaini v'ashaini sh'bashlishi are also shavin. The third oil that comes out of the second harvest, the second oil of the third harvest, those are also going to be the same. Ashlishi sh'bashlishi, ain l'mata heimenu. There's nothing worse than those. Af kol hamenachos chayav din sh'yitnu shemen zayis zach. The emes is like the mishna, all the menachos really should may svara require the same kind of perfect pure olive oil based on a kal v'chomer. Ma menora she'ein l'achila, it's not consumed by the menora. Yet, still tuna shemen zayis zach. So, menachos she'ein l'achila, whether the kain or the mizbeach, ain din sh'yitnu shemen zayis zach. Tam l'meimar zach, koses l'ma'or. To say k'neged the kal v'chomer, the Torah tells us that the oil of the menora needs to be pure from pounded for the ma'or, for the lighting it up. Ain zach koses l'menachos. And the Torah is basically telling us that you don't need to have the pure oil pounded for carbon menachos. Rebbi Zalman once said that a person claps himself, puts himself down, you know, he makes himself koses, but only l'ma'or, only this way he'll have that positivity of being lamair, but he can't pound himself such that he'll end up down and staying down, which is implied by the the minochos. So, he should be zach kosis lamair and not zach kosis leminochos, where he'll stay down. You got to be able to handle your mussar basically. Turning over to base zukt the gemara shavin, you're telling me that the second level of oil of that first harvest and the best oil of the second harvest are on the same level. Rashi the gemara amri rishon leminair v'shar leminochos. So, clearly they're different halachos for minair versus minochos. So, clearly there is a tiered approach to those oils. Amru Nachman bar Yitzchak, my shavin it just means shavin leminochos. Clearly the minochos are going to be equal. Then the mishna said af kol minochos really we should have a kal v'chomer. Tanu rabbanan, we learned in the braisa zach that by the minaira you have to have pure oil. Ein zach ela nakki. We understand that to mean clear that it flows naturally from the olives through the bottom of the basket where you put these olives. You don't have to press them out. Rebbi Yehuda aimer kosis it has to be crushed and kosis ela kosis. You have to crush it with a mortar because according to Rebbi Yehuda you can't grind them with before you put them in the baskets cuz that would shmutz up the oil. So, yachli eizach kosis pasul minochos. So, you might think that the pure oil coming from these crushed up olives are going to be pasul for the minochos. The Talmud says it's pasul b'shemen kosis. To go against that however, the Torah tells us by a mincha that you need a flour mixed with the oil from these shamen kosis crushed olives. But in cane if you're telling me that oil for the minochos can come from the squished up olives what am I learning lamair? Ela min eizach we want to save you money so therefore you don't have to use this perfect kind of oil for the carbon mincha because we want to save them money. Rashi the gemara my chisochin, why should we care so much about saving them the money if it's the best oil? Use the best oil for the mincha cuz amru Rebbi Elozar ataira chosam al minei Yisrael. Just like we had before back on mit base at the end of the perek before where it tells that ataira chosam al minei Yisrael. It's a little difficult cuz Rashi by us brings a different makor than what the gemara brought over there. The pasuk says tzav es bnei Yisrael v'ikchu lecha shemen zayis zach. Amru Rebbi Shmuel bar Nachmani eicha that Hashem says to kol Yisrael that you're supposed to light the minaira eicha for you v'leili and not for me. Leilo eira nitzrach. need any light. So, shulchan mitzofim The Shulchan was in the north side of the Heichal and the Menorah was on the southern side. I don't need the food from the Shulchan. Now we'll illustrate this idea that we don't need light from this following drasha the windows in the Beis Hamikdash were wide and narrow and we learned they were wide on the outside and narrow on the inside which is exactly the opposite of how you usually do a house. You want to bring in the light because I don't need light. The light from the inside of the Beis Hamikdash is going out. It's the other way around. It's an edus to the whole world. Now if you tell me I don't need light, if you tell me that we need to have the Menorah, so the Menorah is acting as an edus that the Shechinah is there. If you tell me I don't need light, if you tell me that the Menorah is actually needed to light up the interior, traveled for 40 years with the light. The source of the light. He doesn't need light. What is this edus of the Menorah? It's the western ner of the Menorah which is a shaila if it's actually the center wick but the wick itself faces the western direction or it's the actual lamp that ner that's the most western. Either way, the ner where the puts the equal amount into each one of the other nerays. We from it from that ner would begin to light the Menorah every evening. And we would do it on the following day. That's how we would finish up and preparing the nerays for that next evening's lighting. Stop here. The plan is to record second day's dafim and post them before Yom Tov. So wish me luck. Enjoy your Chol Hamoed.