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Menachos Daf 76
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All right, daf. I ain't love Shabbos is
daf starting with the Mishnah at the top
of I ain't love. Kol hamenachos to unice
shall ice may ice shifa. All menachos
require a very fine consistency and
therefore they require shol ice may ice
shifa which are 300 times you have to
rub it. The chamesh may ice be eaten and
500 times you have to smash it, pound it
as you would with your fist when you
knead it. Shifa be eaten be eaten and
that applies to eaten which need to get
the husks off of the wheat so you can
grind it up afterwards. The Rabbi Icy
Imer at but say according to Rabbi Icy
says do this rubbing and pounding on the
dough, not on the raw wheat kernels. Kol
hamenachos boys esser esser. All carbon
menachos are brought in groups of 10.
That's whether or not they're baked,
fried, doesn't matter. They're all going
to have groups of 10. Chutz melechem
aponim vechavite kayin godol cuz those
are not units of 10. She ain't boys
sh'tay mesray. They're brought in
groupings of 12. That's the unit of
measurement. Divrei Rabbi Yehuda. Rabbi
Meir Imer. Kolam boys sh'tay mesray.
It's not true. All of the other menachos
are brought in groups of 12. Chutz
michalos toy do nazirus when the Torah
says specifically she ain't boys be
esser esser that they're brought 10 at a
time. What's going on over here is that
the Torah specifically says chalos toy
do nazirus is groups of 10. And the
Torah also says specifically by the
lechem aponim and the chavite kayin
godol are 12. The question is what is
everything else compared to? The lechem
aponim and the chavite kayin godol or
the chalos toy do nazirus? That's going
to be the machlokes tanayim as we're
going to see in the Gemara. Tana, we
learned in the braisa shof achas. The
process is he would do one rubbing by
eight shnayim. Then he would hit it
twice. Shof sh'tayim. He would rub it
twice. By eight shalosha. He would pound
it three times. That is the sequence he
would do 100 times which would then
equal 300 rubbings and 500 poundings
that the Mishnah says. Now boy Rabbi
Yirmiya, this rubbing that we're talking
about am tuye va'atuye chad is rolling
that wheat or dough depending what you
hold like. When you're rolling it back
in your hands, is that considered one
myse of rubbing? Or dilma am tuye
va'atuye tray? Or going back and forth
is considered two myse's of rubbing. So
my what's the halacha? Of them takeu.
Then the Mishnah said shifa u'bi'ita
bechitin. Rabbi Icy Imer says be but say
key do it to the dough. So you boil the
but say the leibechitin. When Rabbi Icy
says you do it on the dough, does he
mean do the dough to the exclusion of
the or af but say key do also rub and
pound the as well in addition to the so
I was bringing a riot from the
Tanya will be eaten and
will be
the which sounds like saying it's a very
specific thing that
on the as opposed to the and the mission
that call
that all the of the brought in groups of
10 except for the upon him in the which
are brought in groups of 12 like upon
him but for the upon him that you need
to have 12 kind of all of them look at
them upon him while doesn't say but for
the kind of all of them you need to have
12 we make sure that the upon him now
what about the rest of the call them the
devices are all other which are brought
in groups of 10 mean no one because like
my my answer of
we compare all the undefined
to the
which are also in groups of 10 for
example of them who told you that should
be should be compared to the should
maybe should be compared to the upon him
they
should be 12 then because of them they
have a little bit more of it's more it's
better to have regular to be compared to
regular carbon because there are more
things in common between the and the
which does not exist by the number one
the carbon are brought by a whereas the
upon him is for the only have missed
the upon him is a as opposed to the
other ones that could be
shaming the upon him has no shaming but
the others do if so they'll have a
as opposed to the upon him which sits
there all week so it can't be a lean
problem
and they're not brought in so we shall
lay but so as opposed to other carbon
and carbon that can't be brought in
because there's some sort of
on even though you may remember from the
earlier back on whatever it was
that said that it was the of the and the
were bothered what's the that just being
the is a shaming
there is no shaming but carbon is
because it's not a carbon as well
there's no to my but because it's not a
that can then as opposed to the upon him
that is and will be shaming
other than upon him
there's more comparison to a regular
mincha the lechem a panim shikain
hekdesh they're all going to be kodesh
kodashim whereas a carbon toda is only
kodesh kodashim. Ule lavina and lavina
is included by the lechem a panim as
well as a regular carbon mincha as
opposed to a carbon toda. Matzah which
does not exist by a carbon toda because
there's one that's also chametz. And
they add some and they also brought for
themselves as opposed to a carbon toda
which is brought through the
accompaniment to the carbon toda to the
animal carbon toda. So l'chora you have
reasons to also compare it to the carbon
toda but hanacha l'maaseh. The other
minchas should be compared to lechem a
panim because there are more things that
are comparable. Rashi in the Gemara is
shvura l'olam b'gezeira shava l'olam
b'binyan av. If you hold that something
that's already learned from a gezeira
shava can now in turn be made as a
source of a binyan av to learn to other
things. Nailif m'chavitei kohen gadol.
Remember that we already said the
chavitei kohen gadol are learned al
y'dei gezeira shava from the lechem a
panim. So let that now be the source
material to make a binyan av. T'malah
l'unchtei masrei avkanchtei masrei. To
which the Gemara says no because m'stama
m'lechem a panim teida aval l'meila. If
we don't want to use the chavitei kohen
gadol we'd rather just learn straight
from the lechem a panim shikain you have
all these other parallels. Had yait
because both a kohen or a Yisrael can
bring other carbon minchas and a toda
but not a chavita which is unique to the
kohen gadol. She is nadaiv that regular
carbon mincha and carbon toda can be a
nedava whereas chavitan is a chiyuv.
It's interesting to note that a toda is
considered a nedava as we know that
there are bots l'haidas there are four
different people who are m'chuyav to
bring a carbon toda and the way chazal
use the expression is arbuts l'haidas
which sounds like it's a chiyuv.
Rishonim argue whether or not a carbon
toda and likewise ben shai gomel is a
chiyuv or if it's rishus but all four
the one who's m'faraish shiyam or ben
midbar or the one who has gets up from a
choli or the one who's ben bais
ya'asurin akupanem we're calling it in
our Gemara a rishus. Chat tzayin they're
not given in halves as opposed to
minchas chavitan which is done half in
the morning and half in the afternoon.
Lapigal the only time you have pigal is
when there's an actual matter. So by
carbon toda it's the dam of the carbon
toda itself that's the matter that
allows it to be eaten but the chavitan
does not have a matter. So minchas and
toda have that matter and therefore they
both can be shaiyach to pigal and shalai
b'shabbos they're not brought on shabbos
for shalai b'tumas as we said. But the
rabba m'chavitei kohen gadol have a
little mail if there's more comparison
to the coin gollum more than
chicken is a rhyme, they both have to
have exactly an flower. Both of them in
the shabbaton and the
but the carbon data includes 20 is a
nice clay. Both the
and the shabbaton are going to be put
into a clay as opposed to the carbon
data which doesn't get its until the is
done to the animal.
All including have the vine but not the
carbon data. Matza which exists only by
the shabbaton that they can't become
common whereas the data has common at
seven is brought for itself and not
carbon data. Agasha it has a
so the now asks
to come to comes out that there's
actually eight ways that the other are
going to be more dominant to the carbon
of the of the coin gollum which is more
than the only six that we brought for a
carbon data. So why don't we compare to
the to which the says
carbon that's brought by a as opposed to
the coin gollum because that one is
unique right away because it's only
brought by the coin gollum. And the we
may cool and by
all of them are 12 except for the data
with and the and the which is only going
to be brought in units of 10. So my
what does he hold? He
don't have a big zero shabbos.
Then you have coin gollum then the
source should be coin gollum the
because there's more ways that the other
are dominant to the coin gollum more
than the carbon data. And he don't have
a big zero shabbos and you don't have a
big zero that you can't now use that as
source material. So you have upon him
and then tell me that it should be 12.
But it's not really because
we want to learn
from the meaning we want to learn the
from the upon him and therefore that's
going to be the tie breaker according to
then had said that is going to be 12
except for the ones that specifically
the
and with the which is going to be
10 at a time. And now let's say the
carbon data
says the first by the carbon data that
you can have 10. And the
carbon data says the first by the carbon
data that you can have 10. And the
shalom of shalom
and since it says in this week's when
we're going to learn about the carbon
data his carbon shalom who's he talking
about? The shalom Nazir we dash coming
to include the carbon Nazir that he also
is going to have a unit of 10.
If you bake the carbon Tyda as four
different challahs, you are still
yotzei.
What do you mean? How do you make four
loaves when the Torah tells us you need
40? Torah says the mitzvah, the 40 are
not me'akev. That's just going to be to
do the mitzvah in the best way.
If you only have four loaves and you
take the trumah off, you won't have
enough of a shiur.
Maybe you take a little piece from each
one.
That's not going to work because the
Torah says you have to have one.
You can't take a broken loaf as trumah
but you got to take a whole one.
This that we're taking off the trumah,
not taking it from the baked loaf,
you're taking it from the lisha dikalo,
from what's still kneading. While it's
dough, before it got baked, that's when
you removed your trumah.
Any mincha that had too many loaves,
instead of the 10 that you made, you
made 11 or 12.
So the brisa saying the farish can
negate Shmuel that the carbon Tyda is
going to be possul unless it's done as
groups of 10.
Turning over to my base,
de'tanya, kol hamenachos sheriba bemidas
chaloson, o isha mi'at bemidas chaloson,
are
basically has a ton of to rely on.
If you made a mincha that's baked in the
oven
and you baked it all as one big loaf,
yotzei. So even though you're supposed
to do 10, but if you did only one,
you're okay. I might timer because
matzo's x save by the challah of a
mincha is matzo, it calls it matzo
without the vav. So we dash it from that
that even if the number of finished
challahs is somehow lacking, it's still
going to be kosher.
Let's say it had the full vav in there
also. Lo, then you wouldn't be able to
say Rav Huna's halacha and it would be
me'akev to have actual 10 units. I have
a whole gabi lachmei Tyda it says matzo.
It does say matzo with a vav. The omer
of Tuvia bar Kisma number Shmuel lachmei
Tyda sh'ofin arba challahs, you'll be
yotzei. So he says it's not me'akev.
In any event, that psak of Shmuel is
going to be argued by Rav Puna. Because
Rav Puna holds that the word matzah is
with a vav is ma'akef for lachmei teida,
and you need to have 10. But Shmuel
holds that one of each type will be with
the avid okay. Now, let's look at the
Mishnah. Ha'omer hoya ba isarin
mishalosh sa'in. The carbon omer was one
isaron of fine flour, which is sifted
from three sa'in. Meaning, you start
with the three, and then you work down
to one. Shteil lechem v'shteil israinin
mishalosh sa'in. The shteil lechem is
made of two israinin of this kind of
fine flour, which is sifted from three
sa'in. And the lechem apanim esrim
v'arba israinin v'arba sa'in. The lechem
apanim is made from 24 israinin of this
kind of flour, which is sifted from 24
sa'in. Zuk the Gemara, mai ta'ama? Why
by the carbon omers a single isaron of
flour produced from something as large
as three sa'in? And the Gemara because
given that machadish si si since the
carbon omer comes from chadash, which is
going to contain more chaff than yashan.
Umi sa'irnin osin, it's also coming from
barley, which generally speaking always
has more chaff than wheat. So, you
sa'irnin muvchar le'osi al mishalosh
sa'in. The only way you're going to get
this isairnin muvchar of this fine flour
is if you do it one from three sa'in.
Then the Mishnah says, shteil lechem
v'shteil israinin mishalosh sa'in.
Shteil lechem is going to be made of two
israinin, which is coming from three
sa'in. So, given the machitan osin,
since the shteil lechem is coming from
wheat, which also has less chaff than
barley has, af al gav de machadish osin,
even though it's also coming from the
chadash, which would have more, shteil
israinin osin mishalosh sa'in. Two
israinin of good flour can be made out
of the three sa'in. That's enough. Then
the Mishnah said, lechem apanim esrim
v'arba israinin v'esrim v'arba sa'in.
Lechem apanim comes from 24 israinin
coming from 24 sa'in. Mai ta'ama?
Because given the machitan osin
umiyashan osin, which has the least
chaff of all the different things we
were talking about until then, isairnin
muvchar osin mishalosh sa'in. You can
get a good isairnin from one single
sa'in. Tanna Rabbanan, kol hamenaches
she riba b'midas isairnin, any mincha
that you have more, meaning you don't
end up with an exact isairnin. But let's
say you come out with more than
isairnin, o she meit b'midas isairnin,
or you didn't have enough when it was
finished, it's going to be psulis. But
riba b'midas isairnin shalem, but if the
measure of how much sa'in that you put
in, o she meit b'midas isairnin shalem,
or it was not enough, but yet you still
came out with isairnin, and to be share.
In other words, you have to end up with
the right amount of Issaron. The fine
flour matters. The exact Issaron, not
too more, not not not extra, and not too
little. But the ingredients, meaning the
sign that make it up, that you can get
the other get away with even if it's not
the exact right amount, as long as you
end up with the right amount. And the
mission is really essentially just
telling you advice. The following
amounts yield the amount to get the
Issaron. So like the last mission of the
Parah Adumah,
the shulchan esrei nafeh, the omer was
sifted through 13 sieves. Shnei halachim
bishnei esrei, it went through 12 sieves
and
esrei went through 11 sieves. Rebbe
Shimon omer, lo haya lahem kitzvah,
there's no number of how many sieves it
would go through. Ella, se'eles menufah
kol tzarchei hayom mevi, they would
bring the flour that they sifted as much
as they needed to. Shenemar, velakachta
se'eles v'afias oisah, meaning you can
even buy the flour ready to go from the
store. As long as you can get the flour
as long as it's already sifted enough.
It's not about the halacha of how you
have to sift it. You just got to get
this quality of flour. Tanu rabbanan,
the braisa tells us, let's say someone
puts it through multiple sieves. Badka,
pegasa, badka, pegasa, which means it
went through a fine one and then the
coarse one and then a fine one and then
a coarse one. Rebbe Shimon ben Elazar
omer, shlosh esrei nafos hayu b'mikdash,
there were 13 different kinds of sieves
in the Beis Hamikdash. Zu l'ma'alah
mizu, v'zu l'ma'alah mizu, with
increasing levels of how it was coarse.
Se'elyona koledes subin, the upper one,
which was very coarse, would collect all
the bran and all the yuckyest stuff.
V'tachtona koledes se'eles, the last
ones would get finer and finer until it
collected the fine flour. Rebbe Shimon
omer, lo haya lahem kitzvah, there was
no set number of how many sieves they
had. Tanu rabbanan, the braisa told us,
se'eles v'afias oisah, the Torah says
you should buy this fine flour and bake
it. Melamed mikachta se'eles, so we
learn that the flour for the lechem
hapanim is bought as already shuinga
sifted flour, as opposed to the Tanna
Kamma who holds you have to buy wheat
and actually do the process yourself.
But this braisa is shitas Rebbe Shimon
that says you could buy it ready to go.
Uminayin sh'afilu chittin, how do you
know that people who prepare the lechem
hapanim can buy wheat and actually sift
it themselves? Tamar leimar, velakachta,
you can walk and buy it in any form,
even if it's only wheat now. Yachol af
bishar minachos kein, maybe even for
other minachos, that you could buy
wheat. Tamar leimar, oisah, davka buy
it, meaning there's a miut there which
limits the buying of raw wheat only for
the lechem aponim mipnei hahachi sachoi.
So we want to spare the expense. So by
the lechem aponim you're allowed to buy
wheat which is cheaper or the actual
fine flour, but if you're bringing your
own carbon mincha you can't just buy
wheat and sift it yourself, but rather
you got to buy the more expensive fine
flour and rely on the professional to
actually do the sifting. My mipnei
hahachi sachoin, what does that mean?
Omar Reb Elozar, "A Torah chosser mammon
Yisrael." The Torah is chosser Klal
Yisrael's money and therefore you can
buy raw wheat which is less expensive
than the finished flour for the lechem
aponim. And heicha ramiza, where is this
idea of a Torah chosser mammon Klal
Yisrael hinted in the Torah? De chsiv,
"V'yashki es ha'eidah v'es b'eiram."
Which the Torah says that you can
actually feed the people and their
animals the water. So this is a remez
that Hashem cares about property of Klal
Yisrael to actually give water to the
animals of Klal Yisrael and not just the
people themselves. This is when Moshe
Rabbeinu was told to speak to the rock
and yield the water. Hadran alach Eilu
Minachos Nikmatzin, and b'ezras Hashem
for Sunday's daf we get to start the
eighth perek all about the carbon taida.
So pay attention to this week's learning
because we're going to learn about it in
parshas Tzav. And after we finish the
Torah she b'ktav we'll be able to kick
in with the oral Torah.