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Menachos Daf 68
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Okay, Friday is daf. We had learned the
Mishna yesterday that told us the
process of bringing the carbon which is
Madesh and the Mishna is mayor and
whether or not the fact that the
marketplace already had in anticipation
of the whether that was or not now
who holds
it was fine they were able to handle
with things that were not muted to them.
Doesn't he hold of such a we see not
that way because the says
you do the on the 14th day of Nissan
and the next morning but if you haven't
done your until you are not allowed to
do it after this man because if you're
being fort after man you're handling
with already when it's so that's a no
can do but etc say over there that even
if you have missed and you show up in
your hotel room for your P program after
this manabir you still learn to do aika
but what's the point of this you see is
for handling things that are user so in
the same way the marketplace shouldn't
have been allowed to stock the kadesh
food until it was actually shiny first
of three reasons moving over to
since it was a strange way that they
would do the collection of these grains
they wouldn't do it with a tool of a
sickle they would rather do it with
their hands so because they're doing it
in a strange way zeroo it was like a
hecker so we don't be worried They're
going to eat it. They're doing the and
they'll wait until actually the carbon
is brought doesn't like this because he
says but
it's not only about the removal of the
grain from the ground which is going to
use this mud mahal of plucking versus
cutting. There's other mul they do the
grinding and the sifting. What are they
going to do differently in order to make
a hecker over there which demores hasha
and harod algaba. All right. still do
the trina in a strange way with a
handmill and the harata they'll do on
the back of the civ. The point is
they'll do some kind of difference in
the processes for these as well. Okay,
what are you going to do about a basin?
That's a field that you need to irrigate
that you bring the water to it. The shar
that kind of field is even mut before
the carbon is brought as we're going to
learn on I think Monday
you can actually harvest in the regular
way don't stack up that grain. So, how
would those who did the B which was how
would they have a hecker as not to eat
the so based on that is going to give us
another which spoiler alert this will be
our final masay
there's a fundamental difference between
and because people haven't eaten from it
for whatever it is 6 months so they know
to stay away from butt just yesterday
they were having a beer people are
people are naturally not going to stay
away from that's the tyus in the
beginning of why we have this whole
inion
Because there is this mus of
you as to steer between
but there's also the same kind of steer
by the raon about why are you only
worried about and not
wants to give us now a third idea
because
the guy himself is going to look
in order to destroy it. We don't that
kind of guy who's doing a search and
destroy mission that we should be that
he's going to eat from it. He's going to
destroy it. So we don't need to have any
kind of bigger hecker than that to
prevent him from eating it or another
way to ferment for the steering is
because
what did the Mishna say that they would
sell regular flour and flour of the
kakali from the toasted kernels which
you can't really eat which neither one
of these things raw flour and kamaki you
can't really eat these things. So you're
not worried that people are going to eat
them because they're not royal. That
can't be true because
that memor of iso an expression means
it's wrong. It's outside. It's not mus
because that's only going to explain why
you're allowed to handle with these
grains from the time when they toasted
it because at that point it's no longer
to eat but let's say it's raw before
they put in the oven. There you can eat
it. You might make a bio ad but you
still can physically eat it then. So in
that case should say that there should
be a on handling the grain of kadesh.
Maybe you're going to say all right well
they had a hecker because they took it
from the ground and not the regular way
like had already said but
what are you going to say about the when
they allowed the regular way and you
didn't have to do as we had already said
we're going to give up on he's just
wrong and we'll stick with that second
idea which is the between and not being
and the between and is because people
are and people are not bodishna
of once they brought the carbon then now
of course and you can enjoy all your new
fresh
the people who live far away from they
didn't really know when the was brought
they didn't get their WhatsApp status to
know exactly when it happened so they
can look at their watch
once they hit they could be that it
happened
and they no longer brought the actual
carbon of the
whole day which is reference of that day
where they did the you cannot eat until
the end of the 16th of Don
as we'll see more about in the
so without the carbon the whole 16th
now going back to what the mission had
already said
why were people who were far away from
why are they allowed to eat from
they knew that is not going to be
they're not going to shle and they can
count on the fact that the kayan are
going to bring the carbon as soon as
they could and therefore by the time
they hit no problems you could be had it
already happened actually wonders like
how are you allowed to be I mean let's
say something happened
in he says it's even bigger than that
it's
that there shouldn't be such a so it
just never went wrong
like the mission had said
when the sun comes up on the 16th Day of
Nissan it becomes mutter. This since
there is no base of English should bring
a carbon. The actual matter of kadesh is
the sunrise. Rashi interestingly says
usually we talk about but for whatever
reason Rashi picks on picks up on that.
So my what are the forim
on the one hand
which sounds like you got to wait until
you bring the carbon. It also says on
that day which sounds like it's about
the day and not the carbon. So okay how
do you reconcile?
where you bring the carbon
where you wait for the day.
They argue with Ra and say no
even when the mdish was standing there
still is a from
the Tyra says you got to bring the
carbon so
that's only for the mitzvah but the
actual is lifted with the rising of the
sun our says
which sounds like you have to bring the
to also
the X Mishna which we're going to see on
Bes says that the carbon was M outside
the BA mdash and the was in the B mdash.
So you need to actually bring the carbon
also mitzvah turning overdos
that the entire day is going to be my
time create a new
once there's no mdash and you can't
bring the carbon what's wrong with just
saying that the rising of the sun on the
16th is enough to be mad because
now has come and we built and people are
going to say
don't you remember that last year on the
16th of Nissan we had wedies for
breakfast and we were allowed to eat
just with
they didn't realize that last year the
reason why they didn't bring a carbon is
because there's no bas and therefore
but now that the bish has been built and
there is a carbon mater such an amazing
thing you think about it forgetting
about the fact that the third bias was
just built in people are laser focused
and it's like holy cow we're now
bringing the carbon which is a big deal
but what are we talking about the amount
of time between when I want to have my
breakfast and when they're actually
going to rush to bring the carbon first
thing anyway but that's all and
Parenthetically I heard of Gifter that
Zakai in that amazing gumar in Suka that
lists all the from the greatest to the
smallest the smallest being Zakai who
knew everything and the gar makes the
point about how great were the other tan
but from the very fact that Zakai was
the smallest the question is why is he
the god if he was the smallest that
means there were greater people than him
and gifter makes the point that to be a
god will be doesn't mean that you're
necessarily the biggest that's not the
criteria the criteria is someone who
understands what the people need and can
make the takonas that Kali Israel really
actually needs. And Zakai had that
ability. He was able to see with his
that Kali Israel would need such a taka.
That is the makeup of a true God will be
Israel. And that's why he was the god of
anyway. What's the point of bringing
this? Because you see that we're really
concerned that people are going to make
such a mistake and they won't wait until
the carbon is brought because of this.
Now,
if you're telling me like say that it's
only because of a mitzvah
that you need to wait for the carbon to
be brought
because of this extra mitzvah would make
it to Israel doesn't protect you from an
aud
He's only saying it like she
meaning that whole day of the 16th it
really is
and therefore
going to be and that's why after the
said you got to wait the whole 16th
because
that it's
not because our said
responding to clearly arguing with himar
says no
was the one who made a mistake as to
what was who
but it's not true
was actually saying it's when there's no
the whole day of the 16th
of that sounds very rabbitic and for the
garra
Heim and therefore instituted the based
on the fact that it's a now in arts
there's always going to be so when we
say 16th we're not really sure if that's
the day that should be the so it should
cast some doubt as to whether or not the
or not so
they would eat from the on the evening
of the 16th which is the night before
the 17th in other words they waited the
whole 16th but they didn't wait an extra
day of Because
the whole is so will allow you to be.
This is not so simple especially if you
learn that it's going to be
and therefore you wouldn't apply the
idea of suffix
they they actually waited until the
morning of the 17th because
they held
but they didn't wait till the end of the
17th because
they only made the tak for the whole day
of Yemen but they didn't do it for so
therefore the 17th of Nissan ins which
the is only be based on the was not part
of the zerina
he wouldn't eat from the kadesh except
for the evening of the 17th at the end
of the 17th which is the night before
the 18th
who holds for the whole and therefore
as We've said the carbon is materd
and by shiv's time when they brought the
actually took care of all the stuff in
the mdash but until they couldn't bring
a carbon from the other than the actual
carbon and the itself
because it's all
before you brought the you can't bring
any of these carbonas from the but
kosher and we'll see more about that
first from the
what's the difference between the carbon
that's brought before the carbon and a
carbon that's brought before the in
other words why is the carbon brought
from before the carbon but before the
it's going to be as the Mishna seems to
make that and for the
if you're going to say that a from is
going to be puzzled before the carbon is
brought
because no one is to it you're going to
assume it's the same kind of thing
therefore you're going to use for the
premise your question that it's the same
kind of thing bringing a carbon before
the
there's already a header for Israel
outside of the mdash. So the only thing
is being m is that for the misbay. So it
makes sense that the carbonas that would
be brought before the are going to have
less than the ones that are brought
before the so. So there really is no
kash from the of the mission. So taffan
was quiet. He had no response.
The takes out the word
was he was like ah I got him.
Were you so proud of yourself that you
went ahead and chooked up the zen over
here?
It would be appella to me if you live
very long, which on the surface sounds
like a cola, but it might be just more
of kind of a matter of fact that this is
not a good way to increase your
longevity by being proud of the fact
that you slugged up the here.
When that conversation happened, it was
already the price of PES. was halfway
towards PES meaning the two weeks before
PES
when I went up to go beel
for shuis because it can't mean real
because these people lived after the but
when I went up I asked about him
has already been so there's a clear
moral to the story of
according to that whenever there's going
to be for the regular people if you
bring a carbon from it it will be
telling us that we didn't know already
but by the case of that are brought
before the
because the wine before the carbon was
never user to begin with. So there is no
and therefore maybe would actually be
that you can't bring the
since it was never really to begin with
there would be no reason to even answer
it. Now the gar is going to bring four
shilas of Ramy Brahma that we have the
simmon of sedar galil simmon and we'll
just do the first of these four shilas
now we'll save the rest for shabas boy
we've got this that the carbon foral is
outside of the bdish and m what's in the
mdish let's say you do it in the wrong
order how does that even happen
and let's say you planted new stuff
between the carbon and the
and then you pass by this man of the
because as the mission is going to
and the is only m the that took root
before the was brought. But if this only
took root after the was brought, it's
not going to be for a whole another
year. So now you have
before the so
I'll bring you from the following which
later on in the BC will be to us. But
first the Bryce goes through these other
draw about the carbon
when the Tyra says you bring this quote
unquote
is the terra talking about the of the in
that because the is brought when that
grain first ripens
the talking about that
what kind of grain is brought well is
that true
where there's an expression of when it
talks about the Mak is borrowed
is where the bar smashed the barley
is also siren. Do you have that drawer?
You know how I know that the R is
brought from barley
you find by where he's too poor to bring
the actual animal carbon or even the
birds because he's so poor. So you bring
it from flour and for the is brought
from the barley flour. So that's the
that brings from and the sib the carbon
of the that's brought with the carbon
and carbon musf of
is all brought with silus that's but
it's also going to be brought in.
So if you're going to say the carbon
comes from the wheat
we don't find that s ever bringing its
carbon from siren. Bit of a difficult
read there, but this seems to be Rika's
muker that you have to have the carbon
brought from siren or another muker that
the R is brought from siren because
if you say it comes from actual wheat
and not barley
are not going to be the first time
you're bringing a carbon of and it has
to be the first crop. Now coming back to
the point we started with about doing
the wrong order.
If you're telling me that the can be
even out of order before the carbon is
brought and now I have found a mat of
the being first. So if you could do them
out of order it won't jive with the der
of mocker for needing for the carbon and
this would be the case of
the can be brought from those plants of
wheat that took root.
It's before the but after last year's.
Meanwhile, the we brought for those
plants that already took root.
Meanwhile, this year is being brought
from those plants that took root before
this year's carbon but after the last
year. So, it's possible to have a case
of the and the to be brought from wheat
and the to still be considered quote
unquote the bikurim and the first ones
of its crew which would be the of come
on me svers. Do you think the Bryce is
talking about the is the bikurim moving
over to
it means to be the first the first
carbonus that are being brought on the
misb
and such a month the case that we gave
where these things are being done out of
order the misb will have already had its
peris from that year so even if the can
be mater of order you still don't have a
case of the bikurum if the would come
from the wheat and if we have no r from
the whole bice whether or not the can be
m the kadesh and the b mdash out of
order and we'll start the next of the
for Shilama on Shabas's death.