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Menachos Daf 63
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All right, dam gimmel. This is Sunday's
da. Today we get to finish the fifth
perish on top of
which is a reference to one of the kinds
of min.
So if he says he's going to bring a
loyesh he can't bring a that was made in
a pan that's a different kind of kali
and likewise
now
what's the difference in these two
different kinds of pans and to that we
have a maresh
according to they really look the same
just one has a lid and one doesn't but
is a deep pan and therefore the oil
collects and doesn't burn all the way
off and therefore it has a soft and
spongy consistency to it as opposed to a
sofa it's shallow and therefore ma
therefore becomes crispy because it
burns off all of the oil leaving the
actual to become hardened my time what's
says that the whole between and is
whether it has a cover because
if you're telling me that is from the
expression of it that has to do with
those ais that are coming from the heart
like it says in the can that his heart
is stirring with. So in the same way
maybe the bringing is to be for his
and therefore that's what the is for. So
in the same way that his thoughts are
covered so to the pan should be covered
and as opposed to
the might be for things that you say
like Rashi says and that and that
expression would be
that it's putting out sounds. So in the
same way it's uncovered your sounds. So
too the pan is also uncovered. But I
could show you
the is because it's for the things that
are secretive in your heart.
Why have you hidden this running away
and could be for things that are
like the expression that his lips are
they're moving. Anyway, the point is
that the expression of mares and makavas
it's not move from the actual words if
one means covered and one means exposed
because you can find rise both ways how
know that one means covered and one
doesn't
now we should point out that since this
is a
in our about what the definition of is
to say that there is a
is a problem for that because the raam
famously says that that can't have and
it could be
law is maybe not the same thing as a
but now we move on
that there are different definitions of
the depth of the pans is
whatever you make in the mares
is like a shallow pan
you put it on not in but ones
if a guy says I'm going to bring a mares
he doesn't say what's in the mares he
didn't say the product of a marsh. He
just said I'm bringing a marshes. So
we don't know what he means and
therefore until comes we're not going to
know what he meant. And now the is going
to explain what the suffix is that we
have to wait for.
Is he referring to the actual kali? So
he says I'm going to donate a mares to
the basd
or that which they produce. Meaning he's
referring to the actual carbon that's
made in the mares. And since we don't
know what it is, it has to be a it's
interesting. Why don't we just ask the
guy? Clearly that's not an option. Is he
not around? Is he not? You have to work
that out.
There is.
And now we describe what that looks
like.
It looks like deep tongs.
When you put dough inside of it
like these kinds of
so whatever these things actually are,
but you see that the is the name of an
actual kali. and also
and the Tyra says whatever you made in
the on the but the point is that is
saying
according to Basil when a person says
I'm bringing a mas he's talking about
the actual caleb and not that which is
produced by those caleb and therefore
according to basil there is no suffic if
you want to know what the actual ka
looks like so the older garas have kind
of a messed up picture you have to look
in like either a newer garam art scroll
and migr have a very nice picture of
this what looks like a letter C with a
handle sticking out so almost looks like
a horseshoe and it's got these bletois
these kind of indentations at the base
of it and that's what the maresha's pan
actually looks like. So the next Mishna
Hari batanor if someone says I'm going
to bring a carbon mah that was brought
in a tanori maf you can't bring the kind
of bread that's going to be baked in a
kupak which is a different and smaller
kind of oven it can't be baked on raven
which we're going to touch as the tiles
or some other kinds of hot stones a
riceim you also can't bring something
that was baked in this Arab pot which is
either some sort of a hot kali or
something that's in the ground according
to the raamuda on that first in the
Mishna if he wants to maybe you could
bring that which you're going to bake in
a not just in audit
and then the mission says if someone
says I'm going to bring this kind of
baked carbon
you can't bring half as half as
half the point is you can't mix and
match any amount but
doesn't care you have to bring 10 loaves
it doesn't have to be 10 of one kind of
style or kalis it could be a mishmash of
different ones will also be we'll see in
the what the maky are
the says in the second par of
that when you bring this kind of special
so we
as our said
no the says
says it twice once
and as Rashi explains when the terror
says something twice
so it's coming to me something so what's
it
You know why it says it twice
or a totally different that not only do
you have to bake it in a tan but the
second time it says tanor it tells you
the there's an actual kadusha when these
are baked inside the tanor it achieves
the same kind of thing like a kicharis
would do that it actually imbuss the
kalus with kadusha fractur you telling
me the tanor makes them kadeshim
I'll show you that can't hold that the
actual towner gives it to because we're
going to learn later on in the
you can actually bake the
you could bake them in the Azor which is
what you'd expect and you can also bake
them in B pagi which is outside of the
azara. Now, if you're telling me these
things have a kaduca level from the
tanor, you'd have a psulit. This is how
rashi learns. Tyus is very bothered by
this because you wouldn't have the
psulit from the tanor. You might have a
psulina. So, tyus shis is going to be a
bizarian to take it out. But rashi
learns that there should be absolute
according to shim. So, am you're right.
That could never have been what said and
shiman just meant that the second time
it says tan in the pk it means
that when you go ahead and you're maktit
you're supposed to speak out that you're
mashit for baking it in the tanner.
You're supposed to speak out that what
you're intending to do. Then the mission
said
you can't split up some kalis some
let's go for the musak
when you're supposed to bring these
which we say when you're doing it as a
as opposed to that you don't have to
bring these then the says
like our mission said
it's a one carbon meaning
I only told need to bring one carbon
scheme carbonus and not two or three
don't and one or the other. either or
it's interesting that he says I saw the
cash from the brisk like what's the
there's only two choices here
that
must be carbon
back to turning over bays
it doesn't say carbon twice says only
carbon from the fact of
since we know there are two different
flavors of you can have and we're
calling that carbon vice dice they're
both old carbon and therefore you should
be able to mix and match and therefore
maybe
also maybe and what do you do you mix
them together
and you take out the kamita from both
them and if you did take a
and you only came up from one kind
meaning the kits might have only had
pieces from the or from the still yatza
that's alli
is a new name now this is the son of
yehuda that we had beforehand and we're
going to see it's going to be a very
similar shittita to his Fore.
So we have these two
just like the
second set of the is referring to that's
two different kinds
be two different types. And the point
he's making is you got to keep the two
different kinds and you can't mix and
match between the because they have to
be two separate kinds of
how does he understand what said
had a good time because the terra only
called it one carbuda no
since the terror said twice
carbon carbon dumpy that's the same
thing as like both calling it carbon
carbon and therefore you cannot make the
of both half kalis and halfikin you got
to keep them the separate carb bonus
verb the fact that it says is not going
to be a riot because he likes
I might think the terms you have to take
half and half
maybe I think that's not any good maybe
you have to have both that's why the
Tory says the extra word of which tells
you that there should be that you can
bring each one independently and you
don't have to do them both together now
we quoted as if it's its own but they
both hold that you have to do all
so what's the difference between and his
father and for the
what's going to be the according to it's
going to be but according to it's not
even going to be
and tomorrowe we get to start the sixth
perk Back.