Menachos Daf 60

All right, DF Thursday's DAFF and we are picking it up four lines before the lines get wide on bays. Let's see. Put a teeny amount of oil on the which you're not allowed to do. You're not supposed to put any oil in the so is even that small of isle the carbon might because it says in which we a placement a sema has no shear and therefore even the khu will pass the carbon and then that same pix says on it which we understand to mean on it on a mount of the as long as there is a kaz of carbon so you're talking about a mashu of she and a kaz of mka it's going to pass now that's all in regards to the shemen now let's discuss the lev If you put a shear of the opposite now on the smallest amount of also possible cuz my time the Tyra says you can't do a of the so and we understand to mean a kaz has to be ash pudding and then the terra says moving over to which is a means of mount okay so it's so it's a mash on a and then we have a those are the two scenarios that we're talking about. There's another lotion of let's say put on the and according to this lotion of the garra it's a tu but one thing's for sure that comes out of this gamarra a sema is considered a placement of any amount whereas a nina is ashva amount and there's a really beautiful chaftus here that goes through different gamaras about whether or not the lushion of nina is going to work take a look at the top tyus on sad olive where tyus goes through about the definition of Nsina and it gives you a little bit of a tour around Shas. Let's just talk about a couple of them because some of them are really interesting. About halfway down in Typhus, he asks from the Mits that a person can do a even though the is not avut that's so we're interpreting yet doesn't require a cle that's worth to the rajb in shu where the rajba says a very important that the whole idea of shvaputa is only when it comes to things that are money and shove. However, a kayali the hanovid is not because of its value. It's because of its usage. So the idea of shvaputa does not relate to a kali and therefore that could be the of why kin khalipin can be done with a cle that's aimed by shavuta because it has value independent of being a shva. Art Tyus then turns around and asks from Alisuranov from the Mishnim Gitten that if you write a get on something that's which has no value at all it's a good get the Tyra says you have to do and if we're saying in argamur that a nina is understood as a then how can you write again on so for that perhaps we can look at the in the says that the idea of is not a rule that you can apply to all in other words I can't sell you my house by putting the in the house and say it's because it's only a din by git and by where there is a nina the bod and therefore you really don't need kenyan at all it's only a nina so again that will also answer this kasha that it's not that we need to have a valuable nina that the nina does not require a shva's worth of paper because it's not a keny in the first place and the last one will is going to be before the lines get wide in tyus where tyus asks about truma as we mentioned this past shabas when we learned about truma we know the idea of but based on Ara how could which is clearly less than a kazayas how could that potter decree the terra requires a nina to be done and to that we would turn to the night who does only that it only takes care of being that you're now allowed to eat it but it doesn't satisfy your requirement of actual to take care of the problem of the says that for me to of course you need a mount you need at least a kaz you have to give something that's a true nina like it seems from our clearly did not have a tyis who also speaks this out beferish upon him we can use that for that of tis okay back to armor no if you put the oil or the lev on the of the you can't do the and you can't do a nina you can't do a sema of the she and you can't do a nina of the I might have interpreted this p is talking about two different lavim about two different kayhanim meaning one k is doing the sheman and one kay is doing the lvina which is a very surprising kind of a havina that the should think this way is bothered by rash also say different we're not talking about two different kayan you might have thought it's talking about two kahan like the way rashi learns the we're not talking about how many people are doing it we're talking about this carbon that has these two ingredients that are put on it I might have thought you can't put a k of sheman or a kay of lev on top of And if you did, you're going to make the we're not talking about we're talking about actually putting the ingredient of on the ingredients of the soasha of bringing it close to this. So some kinds of that require hagasha but not aua not waving it. Some require hagasha some area hagasha and some are leanfaasha. And let's go through them. the it'll be the regular flower. Those are all the ones that have but they don't have not only do they not have tanufa but they also don't have hagasha. Why and any that doesn't require a kamita because a doesn't have any. And what's the point of the kam? It's to make the shim of the but if you don't need to have the kamita you don't need the hagasha which is because those are not going to have the kit they're not going to have whenever the mission is going to list all the like this. It's a list of 10. Rashi had tube shot back on yesterday's daff and we went with Rashi secondhat that repup is talking about the number of in the Mishna and what's point in telling us this because according to if you're to bring yourself you can bring half and half and therefore you're going to have more than 10 in the list because you're introducing a new variable. So you're going to have now 11 combinations of and not just 10. You can't do that and therefore you have to bring all 10 either completely like or completely like and therefore it's not like how do you know that you have to do for the in our learn that the should do by and the would not have said anything about it. What requires hagasha? Just the actual that you separated. How do you know that the whole carbon also has to do? So the additional word we're going to that the whole is done to the now. And how do you know that the also is going to require you should be able that the is going to require because turning over that's the right you got to bring which is a and you got to bring also and the two what could you on this has that uniqueness therefore you can't learn from the because to say that the is only going to be by which has the extra of now you argue back and say because you see that is not a factor because the which doesn't have the still has but how can you say that is not like both and they have both and so they're going to have the now that's really a question mark because once we've established that you have a why do I need to have which the says both the are not totally on your tax bracket you bring the same amount because that will actually depend on your financial status so therefore ups Okay, next part of the requires that's also for since the word is written by and also is written by the so we're going to dash the two together that they're both going to need. So since we have the same lot of in both places we're going to say hagasha is also going to be applicable to the Tyrus says you have to do a to the rabbis also now why do I need this shouldn't I be able to learn from that is going to have but still yet it's more but you can up the comes from wheat whereas brought from barley. Okay. But I can argue with that doesn't require any but yet still has but what is between so now that's a question mark. If you telling me that logically through we can learn that it's going to have a why do we need to have a dasha? So the is going to slug up and cannot be brought from regular flour because you have to bring the fine flour that you can bring it from the regular kind of flower. So that's why I can't use the I need to have a special which is by the different but doesn't need to have a mocker because I have even though I can now the say yeah but I can up as we said which you bring from actual as opposed to which is brought from barley. Okay. because that's brought from barley but still there's a so too also by the it's brought from barley and so also we would say by the it doesn't matter from the fact that it's brought from barley it's also going to have but you can slug up this from also because the whole of is coming to bear in a whether or not she was and takes out the next three words of damascarus we'll say because it's not coming to bear but still there's so clearly is not a factor in whether or not, you're going to need to go and whatever you had asked on it. Meaning the previous is only to the because it depends on your tax bracket. That wouldn't apply for the which is done for the whether they're rich or poor. and up because both and they're more than because you could bring these things 100 times a year. You can do all kinds of but the can only happen once he'll say it's not more because every year you bring it could be it could be that let's say nobody does a ver let's say the woman never has no those may never be brought it's interesting you have a here how do we view when it comes to things that are scheduled versus things that might happen or may never happen the shar about whether or not a person has to repeat krisheshma but they also have a to bench let's say at the end of your Friday night shabasuda So which one should I do first? Every night you have to say keshma but the benching is optional, right? Which is how do you view the tadirus? Which one is going to have kadima? So carer's application of this is going to be a brisma kimchifer if there's a bris on rashana. On one hand the tea shaer is more mossui because it happens every year. On the other hand a brisma could happen many times over the course of a year. And if we're it could be more mutsy. But we're going to stop here.