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All right, today's
Tuesday's DA pick it up about 2/ird of
the way down on Nun Bayon the Bryce says
how do you know if you take the buser of
a which you're supposed to eat and you
actually bring it on the incorrectly or
from the
which we're going to have to talk more
about because those things are never
brought in
that if all these things are brought on
the improperly that you're ever
tells us that you can't add the and the
cannot be added to the carbon on the
so this to mean anything from which the
carbon was already put in the
so now you're supposed to eat it you're
not allowed to burn it so those parts of
the carbonus that were not burned cannot
be burned so many of these things on the
list we can understand etc but
practicumaru
upon him.
There's nothing that goes on the
upon him that the rest of it now would
have that love because the Bryce says by
the
on the list of all the things that have
these summer
there's nothing from the actual that's
put into the and that's why they're from
but the of the of not putting it on this
that absolutely could be and as Rashi
speaks out by the you do have the and
you also by the have the so there are
aspects of these different avoid that
are brought on the misbeh so the shirim
of those things that you're not supposed
to bring on the misbeh cannot be brought
on the mbe and you'll be
Let's say you don't bring these things
on the but rather you put them on the on
the ramp. So is that also going to be
the
you wouldn't know anything more than
so we're learning a heckish here that
you also extend the iser even to the
itself but
my time
and those which is what's going on over
there. That's when there's going to be a
reboot to the kevish.
But all other things that are listed in
the brace, the kvish is not going to be
like the moving over to
what do the word
for a totally different says.
I might have thought that a could bring
a of the and that would work
and it would be a of that carrying out
your
carbon. The Tyra says that you should
bring this carbon races
only the brings the
contin
there's no corresponding that the would
bring maybe that could bring its own
because there is a corresponding of the
it's kind of an amazing thing right the
havina of bringing where would even the
money come from and it could be it's
just like in the summertime of the kit
where they have leftover money But that
would have been the had the not said
which which we limit that the only
brings the and not a
what's that from and
the only things that you bring actually
that have is going to be the and the and
when we say it means any all sweet
things on this point that the garra had
made
is it so paret that the can't be brought
as ava ivany Another B says one P says
which includes even of so why does the
Torah also have to say which is the same
idea by the bikurim and
it's the same idea
what do we mean
you do find that has a massive of in the
mdash as we have said by the Butd.
There is no carbon that can ever have
honey in the BD. But
you do have a mat where honey is going
to be by the
there is no
so each one has its own respective and
the B ends off
since each one has its own uniqueness.
Okay. So that's this Bryce. But now
let's bring it home to ask our cash that
we had said the could never be brought
up in DVA. So
what is that example of that is
it's going to be the as we had spoken
out but we're talking of because it
can't be of because those are never
brought on they're completely eaten by
the so it must be talking about
which are put on them as a we have a
steering braces can you bring up or not
and for theorm of amorim
that second brace is talking about where
the iso by says that are brought with
the and inami there is no such thing as
that can be brought in the da but the
price is just telling us that even
though the are not brought on the misb
they do have a ka that they don't
prevent the katas from being brought on
the misb but if that's the case that
that's called a ka because it's not ma
the kayatim nami will also have a hut
the mikdos because we learned in the
third paric of bikurimo
the birds those doves that were on the
baskets when they brought the fancy
procession of all the different they
would bring them as a carbon
and those baskets that the bum were
bringing
they were brought to the kahan. So even
though you're not allowed to bring any
dvash or meaning on the misbeak but they
still did bring those birds as the so
the isser of dvash has the same kula as
the sar that it does not prevent those
carbonas from being brought
because
those birds are not really a different
carbon they're only there to be mater to
beautify the purum when they're being
given it's not a dim to the
we talked about the mal there's a how
would that extend to the should we say
the
because all of the buser of the is eaten
by the kahan none of it is burned on the
so it's not really to the other kinds of
carbanas only the dam goes on the
carbonarbon
so there's your answer it is called a
carbon but really it's
It has to be something that the is
what's not put on the but the other part
is put on the
carbon. So this is a how to define the
love.
So there's your ramen.
The part of the tahara of mitsra is he
has to bring a lug of she which the uses
as part of this process and we call it a
carbon even though none of it really
goes on the tunnum
rais. So you see it has a sh also being
considered a carbon even though it's not
really brought on this technically.
So I would only know that that if you
burn the entire of the
how do you know if you only burn part of
it
which sounds a lot like this should be
to the
which you know from maybe there's
that applies
to there's the in the beginning of that
says that there's a for stealing so
maybe according to those days there
should be an isir even for burning the
portion of the shear of the upon him. We
bring this of to say it'll be even for
part of it. How do you know oft
not a kaz but the actual kmates itself
What's arguing whether or not we're
talking about the
you don't have to have the be the size
of two turning over and therefore
argues and says
so it'll all be about the
if somebody takings up a carbon from and
on the MSB
You're going to get four sets of malus
as we've discussed
and
so you got four different times you're
going to get malcus no like you don't
get malcus for a that includes multiple
sur but there's another lotion
you're going to get one set of malcus
there's another lotion that says that
that according to he's not even going to
get one set of milk
because we're not it's not like the
classic lav de kasima that prototypical
case that it has to match and therefore
you're not going to get malcus at all
and we'll stop here and pick it up with
the mishna for