Menachos Daf 56

All right, Dunv Sunday is Daf and we were discussing the possibility of the cluprat by the requirement of having the ni bring his carbon in the suffin area of the bases mdash. And the whole point of bringing this was to show that a clalop that's still can be dar is a clopiki. And the last thing we learned yesterday was raashi's kasha that it's not really a prat but rather it's a pratl and the shouldal. So now we're picking up the last skinny line on the T was worried about the word. Maybe the is singled out to tell you that that sawyer has to be brought in the but it's not and no other even has to be done in the wrote the by the case of the therefore we need another puss of the regular carbonus to tell you that is not other of doing it in the why do I even need the what's it coming to what's it coming from and now we have a list of the different things that's coming to the not the when he was doing those different carbonus inaugurating the Mishkan that were not to be done in the just like those carbonus had like the regular other carbonus and maybe should also have the of doing it in the safano by the nasi tells us that dafka It's that needs to be but not these other ones. And we're using as the example of all of those different from the how do you know that the required like the system says moving over when has to bring the it also requires who holds that that first of requires. So then I might think that they also have a of but who holds that he never needed in the first place my why would I even need a mut of maruch of ra because it's also going to be because my this is my there was no specifically of it was only so why should I assume it applies also to that so I never needed even according to maybe if it hadn't meaning from a regular carbon that always requires that suffering. So maybe also all the other ones would also require suffering. But no, I would say you could be quiet. If you tell me would have been enough, I wouldn't have needed for either. It was a historical event that you can't learn from that one time event to all other future dire and therefore we don't need the from those. So what do I need the m for but the himself doesn't have to stand there. You may remember all this from we had a similar there but the himself maybe doesn't need to be standing in that location. He could be in the southern side and just kind of lean in with a long knife. But that can't be enough because we know from you might think formed. So we don't need the to be this. So what's it coming from that the malik does not need to be done in the why would I think otherwise a regular sheeps that you're bringing as a carbon like cayenne doesn't require to do it because yet still where the tyra does say that the mala must be done by a kayak you should need to have the comes the word that malab The Tory says you have to use a knife. But that's not the case by Malika where the K uses his fingernail. There's no reason to think that the would have to be done in the because you already see it's a unique and therefore we don't need that you don't bring the we don't need that either because really there's still it has to be done at a particular time so it has that no I'll be that because carbon has its own has to be completely burned which we don't say about carbon which is eaten by the bum. So here's another suggestion for meas because a carbon kas doesn't have that milo of the oil that it's completely burned and therefore maybe that's what I need is to tell you about the carbon pes no because you don't say that by a carbon maybe the can be made from an to say that carbon pes requires because an asham is not going to be for curries no because malam has its uniqueness kum and carbon pes is not that way because carbon pes is not kum but rather it's kachum kum and tammy kunami and we can't say that the is coming from all the carbonas together because they also are all as opposed to which is only so we don't need to have but himself does not need to stand there we already knew this no his are not coming to include the being in the southern parting with his long knife. What was coming to say was so but maybe we're using about the not having to stand in the northern part is it's a different and therefore not needed did not hold that he didn't think it was so clear and therefore he needed to learn it from the carbon and then we're going to stick with the not having to stand in the t as the from then our mission that a person's malus for doing any of these individual activities with the carbon which was the kneading the shaping the baking of if someone baked a carbon that became and the way Rashi learns that he gets two sets of because he shaped it and he baked it says this was yesterday's that we made a point that it's only a single lav so how You tell me twice it's not fair from that price because who and if he did everything that means he did the and then he did the so once he's already once on the he's not going to be twice on the once on the but if his buddy did the and tak got the lob for that and then gave it to him to do the baking now that baking will actually be twice for and fork let's say you have a bkar which is going to die that's what's going on over here it's deathly ill because of this blood issue that it has. So, you could do the rafu and do the bloodletting of it even though you're not allowed to create but you do it. We're concerned that you shouldn't make a on this animal. You don't have to worry even if it's going to leave a don't because of that. So, we're going to be make in order to save the animal's life, but you're not allowed to shed it and eat it like regular. You got to wait for it to develop another mum and then you can sh it. But otherwise, it's going to look like you're taking advantage of this rafu to make it into a balum. So you can have it as shimmer turning over. I don't even care. As a result of this bloodletting, you can now and eat it yourself. Finally, even if this animal is going to drop dead, you are not allowed to give it a we just said, let's say you take this after it was already and now you continue to work with it. meaning you're shaping it and you're kneading it. that will be rabb spoke out from the brisker that that this is only going to be about the because the actual once it becomes ple you can't have a but something that's puzzle the technically not puzzle you just then to have the afterm another similar let's say an animal which is user to bear that it can't be anymore let's say it's already in that mat and you do it again the second time you're also if you're already for cutting the bum of this animal certainly to detach them is certainly going to be. So why does the Tyra need to even say there's going to be an iss that that actually is going to be also even though the animal can technically no longer be milled because of the first thing you did the second thing you did also still but where is her mayor and the raon and the B are going to be arguing that's going to be so there's going to be how to look at a whether or not there's new of being that now mayor which seems like it's only going to be a lav when you're doing it to a tim an unmified animal that puk of is coming to be an animal that was already born with that mum. So where it was never shak to be a carbon the is not going to be but if the animal was once and then became a there will be the is to do it again it's like a tree obviously there's no to make a because it's not in the first place to be a carbon that is coming to be the mum by animals after their still applying to these animals you're not allowed to do with these kinds of animals that you had the pigion We should have that same that's why the Torah would need to say that by the is going to be but not by other ones. So how do they deal with her mayor's which sounds like every time there's going to be an issue of gum not being directly it's not that way even if you indirectly cause it and you can't put the dough or the figs on the animal's earl so the dog will come and nibble on that ear a little bit that's still going to be just as user as doing it yourself and you might think therefore it wouldn't be user cuz you're being government and not actually doing it yourself. Tell him liber both kinds are going to be user.