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Menachos Daf 54
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All right, Daff Nun Dalid Friday's Daff
as we're finishing out this Agata
Gomorrah. I believe it's 10 lines from
the bottom of Nunim Bayua
Ben Leas.
Why is compared to an olive tree?
Because earlier in the Gumra, we did
quote that Hashem called Israel the Zas.
So why are we compared to an olive tree?
The leaves don't fall off in the summer
or the winter.
How do you get the oil to come out of
the olive? By crushing it. So
sometimes the only way we do our chuva
is when we are faced with the issurin.
All right, but back to the issues at the
beginning of our per discussed about
those carbon that requires how do you
achieve that leavenning process. So
rather than just dumping water into the
flour and letting it slowly beamates, we
create some sourdough by taking out a
little of the flour, making it into so
it's a leavenning agent, and then
putting it back in. But Rhuda didn't
like that idea because it won't do a
good job. He would rather bring a new
source of sourdough and put it into the
measuring kay and then fill the rest
with flour. But they said to if you do
that, it'll be it'll be too much or too
little. Now the asks
depends
if the mixture is very thick so there's
very little water in it is then it comes
out when you take out the isurin it's
going to be too much flour but raqa if
it's loose meaning it has too much water
you don't have enough flour and you're
not going to have the proper amount for
your isarin who cares what it was before
you measured it
once you measuring out the flour in the
measuring kar you're always going to
take out an exact isarin the fact that
it was there earlier why should that
even stir It's not what it is now. So
rais
measure what it was and therefore if
that little sourdough is too thick or
too loose that will mess up the amount
of the isaring.
Why don't we first measure the isarin
and then take a bit of flour from it
knead it and then actually wait for it
to become to other dough and then bahade
and then you could bring this newickle
of sourdough that you've just made and
put it together with the remaining
flour. Why doesn't mud just suggest
this? And for the you know why they
didn't go that way because
if you start now taking some out and
then creating new sourdough outside of
the mixture and then putting it back in
the fear is that people are going to now
just bring complete sourdough from
outside and add it to the flour of a
real carbon ma that's already been
measured. Now you're really gonna have
the wrong amount of the and that was
certainly possible the BA says moving
over
you can't make the loaves of the carbon
using which we like to translate as
apples but it's very likely it does not
mean apples but whatever the definition
of is you can't use that as your liquid
to create
you can
so it's a sh of who actually was the
member but there certainly is a on the
issue so come
Who is the that the following mission
can go like
let's say take a of truma and you put it
into non truma do the now the whole
thing becomes haru and when we say assur
we're talking about it now has the denim
of truma because it's a significant
thing here it's turning the whole thing
into so come on who's that going like
raon because according to the raon you
can't make the al the apple juice and
therefore if it falls into the trum it
would be ble and it's not going to
answer like the garra
because
you have degrees of before you get to
full-fledged it can still be considered
which is a lower level. So everybody's
been asking that if you are going to
create
the it could still be because at least
it created the
you don't have the challenge of doing
the more than by the
doesn't have any oil in it but yet it
still needs the very hard to do this
with totally dry flour to get the exact
inevitably some's going to fall out when
you brush it with your finger and
therefore would be
You're allowed to add to the some water
and that'll still make iter making it
more practical to do the sole
of holds that when you make the how much
flour you're supposed to have you look
at as it is right now and therefore you
can add water before you do the kam
because it's not going to change the
exactitude of the measurement of the
kam. However,
according to law, you look at the amount
of flour that there was initially before
you added the water and therefore you
can't add the water before the kamita
now you're really throwing things off
according to that's going to be a shil
of when you look at do you look at the
original or do you look at it the way it
is now says no because
you look at it as the way it is now
when holds the says that has to be
meaning dry. It means dry from the oil
but it can have water but can hold
completely dry even from water that
could be there.
We learned in the second paragen
bosselis.
Let's say you have meat of an eggel of a
calf that has swelled up and now it's
the shear boser
or you have old animal meat that shrunk.
And what's this for? Na for whether or
not you're going to have to because it
has to have the shear of aa to be mama
and big shil. Does that mean that other
things or it itself can only become
Tammy if it is a year? Rashi's in Shabas
is
so it's possible that according to Rashi
doesn't even become T if it's less than
a Kaya. So here you have this case in
the Mishna of this changing size meat.
So
which we now need to understand what
does that exactly mean? Is that the way
it was or the way it is? And after them
comes the
we look at it as the way it is now.
the way it was initially
as opposed to but the idea is they're
looking at the way it used to be before
it changed its size they asked for the
following
let's say it was too small didn't have a
sharashir
then it got bigger so it's going to be
for the things beforehand before it got
bigger
but going forward it already is the
share of a and therefore it will become
So clearly we look at the current size
of it and not the initial shear the way
it was beforehand which the says no the
might only mean
but we go back to the initial size it
was and therefore it's not going to be
if you're telling me they're only
talking about
if we're talking about
nicer now you can talk to me about
is there even a
for nicer when it's only going to be a
dendra. So the Bryson must be talking
about adenda and therefore it's
and we're going to go buster the current
size for the to which the says no you
could say different when it says
nicer that means if you didn't say that
you might have thought
the whole not that is of curries but the
toma of pickle the tum of nicer or only
going to be a dindraon and maybe
a vite since the whole is only a
dindrail not be so mid on it when the
meat changes in size. So kamash and
that's why the tan needs to tell us that
they takle
and the tuma in nicer in such a mativa
have another bryer it says
let's say you got a meat of an old
animal that really used to have the size
of a
and now it's shrunk and now it's too
small. So it's for all the things that
it was in the past
and going forward where it's now going
to be small no problem it's going to be
not. So you see even it's going to be
assessed by the size it is now not by
the size it was the sees me this riot
for the bry and therefore as mim that's
a different issue what's going on in the
mob you know what the is about
when was able to convey to but now it
shrunk and it doesn't have the requisite
shear
now it doesn't have the shear and
therefore we don't have to deal with it
to at all but
if it didn't used to but now it does
everybody's this is only going to be
turning over but keep piggy where are
the we listed going to have a
boy the meat initially was and then it
shrunk and then afterwards it got big
again and now once again is the size of
a
some of the meaning all hold there is
going to be a when it comes to
ra and the other hold there is not going
to be any when it comes to
the mission in the third part of says
says
if you put a size of
and what happens in the sun it shrinks
nicer and they all shrink is
and there won't be any for these other
things because because you don't have
this shear
let's say now you put those shrunken
things back into the rain and now they
swelled up and now they Once again this
year
and taka. All right, I got to stop a
little early for today's daff. We're
going to pick this one up at Toshma when
I post Shabas's daf