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All right.
And let's pick it up from the two dots
on.
How do we actually make the
first you bake it? Then you fry it.
First you fry it and then you bake it.
Makes more sense. Like I'm saying that
it's
that why should you do the first?
Because the pusk says tufine it's an
interesting word and he understands that
word to mean
first you got to bake it so it' be nice
it's more gushmak when something is
baked first and then fried if you fry it
first rashi says it'll be and it'll
become blackened from the oil and won't
be as in the way it looks
makes more sense to first fry it because
he
and the n here he means partially cooked
so that means before you bake it it
already has to be first fried cuz at
that point it's partially cooked. That's
the expression of N without the olive
but the order is actually because the B
it says
meaning like it's partially cooked
already
it has to look beautiful which is more
like and which could be a third sheet
and now it should be baked a lot. So
isli
holds both that it has to be partially
cooked and that it has to be no it has
to be nicel looking and rashi brings
three different of what exactly means
are you repeating the cooking process
and in the third chen rashi he says that
it's raka instead of ra the kav is first
fried in lots of oil which makes it look
beautiful so therefore when it's baked
it's going to be no and beautiful and
since it's not finished until it's
finished baking it's mim the of
partially being cooked so essentially
it's deep fried anh we learned in the
misha coming up later
all the preparation of the are done.
And the way Rashi understands this is
all the preparatory parts, the kneading
and the shaping of the kavan all has to
be done within the mdash. Now that would
imply that there's going to be and you
can't take it out. But why would there
be a psily unless the measuring kalem
actually gave it a kaduca the rashi
holds normal we don't use that
would imbue a kaducious because we're
for these but here since it's only the
kayen who does this a we can rest
assured that he won't have any problems
and therefore it can all be done within
the confines of the of the basdosh but
the mubetes argues with rashi and says
it's not that those kum that do the
measuring are any different to now imbue
it with kaduca and the only between the
kav and the other ones is that these are
kabas that the tells you you have to do
all these malas even on Shabas. Now how
do I know that all those preparations
for the are also done on Shabas
has to be done so it's beautiful which
comes as a result of baking it
and let's say you do it yesterday before
Shabas enough it'll become stale so
therefore if you have to make it no it
has to be done on chabas itself the one
day makes a big difference anybody who's
as old as I am and went through Mahina
do you remember going down to the
canteen to get the day old Schmemell
donuts which they sold at a discount and
they tasted like the day old donuts This
by the way is the mocker why certain
rebas are mak to bake matzah on air of
pes which of course is a dangerous
practice you're living dangerously by
doing that but the mila over here of
enough would apply to the mats mitzvah
it's based on that makes the comparison
between the of the
matasima
makes the matzah are supposed to be so
it shouldn't necessarily have the milaha
of not being enough of not being stale
but anyway that's the mask of lawyakra
who says that they had to bake it on
shabas and therefore it would stay fresh
maybe they wrapped it up with yara some
sort of vegetation I guess that was the
equivalent of that day's ziplockc bag to
keep it fresh so why do you have shabas
to keep it fresh prepare it on air of
shabas to keep it fresh it's interesting
that the gar even makes such a
suggestion that we try to minimize the
amount of shabas the mikdash in
makes a very important comment over here
that you see that we try to be a even
when there is a drussia to be and he
says in reference to the kash thet has a
kash that why don't we suggest that
multiple should do the onabas in order
to minimize the because would not be and
the mdavid says that we want to be the
even though there's a but still that's
only going to be in preparatory things
not the is totally but things like this
the baking of the which is only a for
the actual that we would try to minimize
even despite the of back to our
I'll give you another mocker for the of
doing these preparatory things on shabas
because the says which
that neither shabas or tum should stand
in the way of the
moving over to
there's a heish of the carbon to the
carbon and just like the carbon is and
can be done in a mat of toma so to these
could be shabas and even be brought in a
mat of toma
a third mocker
from the fact the terror refers to it as
a
so clearly it needs a
and if you do something with a clicharis
which imbuss it with the condition
you're going to have a problem of selina
and therefore it's that you don't have
the option of leaving it overnight you
have to actually do that
this is going to be a lengthy bry which
we're going to spend a little bit of
time now working out how to read it
you need to have a clearism and what are
we using the
for to add on more oil than you would
think to need. But how much extra do I
add more than a regular
I'll learn from the following
it says you have to have
also
I continues the
so how much oil do we need? What do we
compare it to? Is the going to be
compared to the or
So which one is the more comparable to
we use the gears of
which is an acronym that has the
comparable things of it's brought every
single day both in the morning and in
the afternoon that's the shin and that's
the test don't learn which has the tash
from a that doesn't have theat okay but
what's the other option
done in
what's stand for because has the sur of
a carbon it's not so pure we'll talk
more on about whether whether or not
it's actually a carbon or not, but it
certainly has the of a
it's brought on its own accord, but not
because of some other as opposed to the
are brought because of another carbon
and they both include the as an
ingredient
has all three differences. So since
we're which one's more comparable to to
know how much oil to add to the
we're going to is more comparable to the
by the carbon of those.
Maybe there's another way to look at it.
There's also in those
so it's a different amount. So how do we
look at the do we compare it to the or
to the so which one is the more
comparable to
that both the and the ma that come along
with the carbon tid had one is as
opposed to the mka that was brought with
the par and the isle the aim
because that's how much you need either
two for the or three for the par
interjects to ask on this bryer to
clarify how do you understand the actual
bryer
first you said that the word she in the
p is telling you to add more shemen. So
clearly you need more than one lug of
oil for the
later
which sounds like you only do need one
lug. So which one is it? How do you read
the brace itself? The first term
is that's arguing and he's actually
saying you need to add more oil.
Skipping the parenthesis
and who's the one who answers back to
and learns this to the only be a single
lug? That's gonna be or
another way to understand the
really the whole thing is all
and we're going to speak out like his
starts off saying there's an extra word
he's supposed to add more than usual
because if is just telling you I need
oil I wouldn't need to say that because
it should be just like any other kind of
which always needs to have
Maybe it's coming to say that it needs
oil because I think otherwise
that doesn't have so then he said okay
it must be that it does need oil because
I'll give you
and then he wanted to learn it comparing
the
carbon but he wasn't because of the
question of which one is it more
comparable to then he needed to
ultimately land on the saying
so that's how he reconciles the whole
the whole is really and this is his
inner dialogue of discussing how to work
it out
the terra says you got to add more
shemen
if it was only coming to say that you
need to have oil as one of the
ingredients that would be extra because
even if the ter didn't say the word I
still could have had my own logical
conclusion that you would need more than
a single lug for this and then vid and
then he tried to learn this demian of
comparing the to the of the carbon but
it didn't work out because of the
counterargument that maybe it should be
comparable to
so he ultimately landed on the using the
p of bash which he originally dioned
that needed then the brea that the kavan
requires the gimlugan then the bryce
finally comes back to riban that darian
the bashman requires more than a single
lug then riman at the end comes back and
says
Let the be like the of a par and an
which only requires per is and then
finally done in turning over bay isulu
it's more comparable from mka that has
one isarin from another mka that only
has one isarin as opposed to the power
in the aisle. So there's three different
of how to read the braa the last two
being kind of the inner dialogue kind of
going back and forth. Okay.
Let's say they didn't appoint another
kayen after the kayangle suddenly died
after he brought the first half of his
min. So we said in the last mission if
there's another kayen the next kayen
brings a new half of his whole isarin.
But what about zishna? Let's say there
is no appointee after him. So Michelle
who pays for the who takes care of it
becomes
and again it was brought from an entire
that you take half. Now it's very
interesting that says it comes from the
AR say that this is relating to the
issue of is the a carbon or a carbon. It
would sound like if the translates down
to the it implies it as a on the there
is a cash here the brings it deals with
it how can bring the if it's that same
day they're there should be puzzle to
bring the carbon and it could be they're
not really bringing the carbon they're
just the mavenian in the sense that they
pay for it and the soul of their anus is
not going to be a problem for that.
Okay, so now the gar is going to get
into the
bon of which are going to be doing it.
You might think he could do it in
halves.
That's all
which
is another way of saying the whole until
you get a new continues the brace.
It has to be completely burned.
You got to burn all of it. That there
should be no shir. You got to burn the
whole thing. Now according to
another
says
now I might have thought that could
bring one carbon together on that same
day that he became the god. Talmud lamer
the ter says no I share
and
the bonov is not referring to his sons
but other khanim who bring a on the
first day they serve as a
who says it's talking about the maybe
talking about the to that we say
we already talked about the
but anyway the point is used up this p
already how can Darian that the are
going to pay for the to replace the who
died
my from his sons we learn two fine so
that's how is going to know
what's argues he's going to say is going
to be paid from money from what does he
do with that word
in that scenario
you can't use that other half for a new
single half but rather a half of a whole
typically
that in the beginning of we should be
able to dish in that which says is not
going to d that extrav
going back to the which going to do with
that okay that it's going to be a that's
going to be done forever by all future
ly why is need to d the kalar that you
got to burn the whole thing and not have
any shim which had used to tell me that
the are going to be paid for by the for
I would only know from the earlier that
the is going to be completely burned.
You know the latter
brought by shouldn't be eaten
that you're going to compare the from
one to the other
would make for both of these kinds of
we're going to use it to give theert to
both of them of suffer
is bringing a pock over here. So it
sounds like it's a dinda that the zebra
has to pay for that second half of the
iotan. The Mishna says in the seventh
par of schol that it's going to be a
draon.
There were seven different takonas that
be made. Tonus are certainly
this is going to be one of them and we
list some of these that were made. One
of them is
if a guy sends a carbon from far away if
he sends along with it we can use those
if he didn't send that zebra will supply
those and another
if a dies and left
that pays for them. And now
these are the
which sounds exactly like the case of
our Mishna
that pays for it
not that we bring these for
there were two different made the died
and we weren't another to take his place
it is aa like dash from the that pays
for it But
but once bezdon saw the bid was running
out of money because as Rashi brings
from the gar and Yuma there were a lot
of unscrupulous
that died and this was costing them a
lot of money. So taken they made a
takarim let's have those kids actually
supply the money for those but
once bzan saw that the yamim themselves
weren't paying it because after all
their fathers were it's very likely the
were also rashima they went back to the
disa which was rashima that the t was
going to pay for it. So that's what it
means where the Mishnolan had this
takona but there still can be the dender
risa and this is where we're going to
call it and we'll pick it up with the
next line about the paraduma for shushan
purim again a freelican purim.