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All right, today is D noon. This is Monday tinus. Yesterday we were talking about the of bikor that you have to check the animals to make sure they don't have a mum before you bring a carbon happens to be rin and whether or not that's something that is for example let's say you didn't do the beakor and you got lucky and the animal has no m is there a problem with this animal tyis and suka on me says yeah whereas the ra doesn't bring this that you have to do the be so the assumes it's actually wonders in tyus why don't we apply the regular rule when the terra is not that it doesn't repeat it it's only a mitzvah it's not going to If someone want to suggest that in Tyus the idea of bikor is really an idea of shimur but anyway in the course of discussing the bikor we brought the mission they shouldn't have shisha you shouldn't have less than six that were already muer ink in the event of a three-day yont when rashana falls out either right before or right after shabas you need to have for the two carbon tids each day you need to have now six animals fractumar now four lines from the bottom of me tessim bays ravashi hanisha shivah why you telling me it's only six it really be seven because let's say it's a rash that falls on Sunday Monday even though we have a dur now but it could be a shabas Sunday Monday 3day so what's going to happen on Tuesday morning you think you're going to have a ready to go so no you're going to have to prepare seven beforehand so why he's saying only six to which says well if you're already starting to count all those extra ones you need you really should need eight because you need to have the Friday afternoon one so you have the whole unit of the six for the 3-day yumpt And then you got one for Friday afternoon for that to binarium. And then you have one for Tuesday morning for the tom shak. That's how many you need for that whole unit of yumpt. Which says kosha the lo of come or the mission is only talking about after you've brought the ben Friday afternoon. You need now to have six left. Moving over to okay. What are you going to do about the Tuesday morning one? We're not talking about where we're saying in this mat. We're saying in general the is you need to have six for those three days. We're talking about a way to remember it because those are the three days that you're going to need it. The way the phraseiology of the mission talks about it is it's a general rule and not in this case where you would actually need it. But inami in a practical mativ you would need more animals than the six because you would need for right beforehand right afterwards. Okay. Okay. Then the mission said, "If you didn't bring a carbon tumb in the morning, you could still bring it in the afternoon." And then right afterwards, we start talking about the if you didn't burn the in the morning, you could still burn the in the afternoon to that. If you didn't bring the in the morning, you bring it all in the afternoon. what seems to be a nonsequ that they would not have they would not be except for with you first used why are we even talking about that if they didn't bring the carbon in the morning this is the part we're adding when is that the case because you can't be with a carbon But let's say it's already a wellused then you can bring the carbon to in the afternoon even if they blew it and didn't bring it in the morning to that didn't bring the carbon on purpose then you are out of luck and you cannot bring it in the afternoon but that's only the for the carbon let's say they didn't bring the Tyrus in the morning they do bring it in the afternoon and that's even if the had not yet been and they did it they could still bring it in the afternoon and it could be the way to understand this is because the karus in the morning and the afternoon might be one mitzvah I believe that's the explanation quoted pearl so as opposed to the which might be separate mitzvah the karus is all going to be one mitzvah if you miss the t in the morning it's not carbon but rather whether or not you did you still got to finish the mitzvah and therefore bring the katarus in the afternoon now this The mission is saying that the cannot be in the afternoon with the ben. How do I know that because the bry says by the ben the second is brought in the afternoon you can't bring that first one. So if you missed the first one, you can't now do it in the afternoon. But if has already been used, even the first one could be used in the afternoon. Is very strict. If you did not bring it in the morning on purpose, you are not allowed to bring it in the afternoon. It's a kass but that's by the biker yaku. Even if it was not yet and even if it was based there is noas fractur this idea of the kas that if you don't bring the carbon tid in the morning you don't get to bring in the afternoon just cuz the kahan blew it and didn't bring their carbon what the misb should suffer misbeh bottle we do find that there is a mus that there's a biz for the misb not to be used that's the whole idea of kits that during the summer months when there's less carbonus we actually just come up with reasons to keep the misbay busy so just because the kahhanim didn't do the right thing doesn't seem right to which those get they're not allowed to bring theu other kahan can certainly bring the carbon they don't get even though there's a lottery to pick which kayan should do it so the caran says they don't get to be put into the lottery it also could be a reference to the entire Mishmar family maybe knocked out from the opportunity to bring it but getting back to that bracelet that was quoted loyar biker if they didn't bring theqatarus in the morning still yaku benor they still bring the katarus in the afternoon even if it was it. Now, why is there no for the if it was done in the if they didn't bring it in the morning, they don't get the gives us two reasons since it's not so and it also makes people rich. The kahan are not going to mess around and they will not be. So, since it's so not that they're going to be you don't have to worry to ask them for the future event. So, it seems to be two reasons. It's not and also it's because people do every they can to get rich. How many emails did we get on Tuesday before par bashal say the param or how many of us put a key into our kala after pes to get lead poisoning because it's a schula for ashir anyway the point is theqatarus is a school for airus and therefore even if there's a mishap once it's not a reason to ask for the future then the mishnad said if you miss the morning you bring their of the in the afternoon which sounds like the saying that the with the in the afternoon the Bryce says not with the afternoon. So okay that makes more sense to be the one that's because it says by the every morning when Aron would do the that's when he's going to burn it. So had he not done the of lighting the in the preceding evening? What are you cleaning out the mana in the morning so you have to say [clears throat] that the first aid of the mana was the lighting in the preceding afternoon and the Tory says that the burning of the in the afternoon was done at the same time as the as the says. So it seems that there is this parallel between the of the and the so just like the of the has to be in the afternoon. So to the of the should be in the afternoon. By the way, this is the garra that's a big kash on the shittita haram because the definition of atavas is actually a big makin. Most resham hold it's the cleaning of the mana the preparation of the new wicks but the raom actually touches hater as the lighting of the mana and that seems to be desire rather than learning it from the he's going to be just like the also of the said that the of the is happening with upon him from shabas which sounds like that in theory of the could take place even on the because it's the activity of putting the on the that's its so for the mission to have to tell us that the has to be done in Shabas it sounds like otherwise it could actually work if you did it during the week you're telling me that you don't do the by putting the upon him except for on Shabas but it sounds like during the week it would be madesh the table on a weekday doesn't seem that way it seems like it should only work to be madesh the table only on So we explain the mission is telling us just like in the end of the Mishna where it says the manra is not with anything other than all of the seven that you light in the afternoon since that's the whole point of the minra to light it then it's not saying the happens here the lighting that could happen other times no all of the inyan meaning both the and the happens in the afternoon so by the mission is saying that all of the both the and the of the are going to happen on Shabas one of the B says this was a case of aus that was brought on the as opposed to the that was brought by the it was a special for that time but normally aus is never brought by and it should never also be brought in now that's the case of the bry but what was this case that we were talking about that a y one time brought the on that number of pap that's the unique case when each one was they brought their individualized for that okay so but it sounds like oh it sounds like a could bring up a because you're just saying they just can't do the sue it sounds like only a can't bring it up on the maku but maybe it sounds like we could be medit that sour could also bring on the sign. I might have thought that any could bring on his own aqy like the one that was brought in the M of and I would say that's often maybe I might have thought only can't bring this of a because he doesn't bring a like this one turning over maybe but maybe that could bring this maybe because that sour does bring a similar one like that Tyrus that he brings twice a day in the mdash and I might have thought that's only that the can't bring up the but maybe they could bring up the of the says that which bottom line we're saying the only brought by the and anything other than those specific specific cases are not going to be brought steering the braces from the earlier braces seeming to say not that way of papa don't be mad the way we did it's you don't have to say that the shouldn't bring you don't find such a case even in that unique case where that was only that one time when they were being and will be to bring and there's no steer in the prices. This is the everyday min that the god would bring which is called because it's baked on the makas and you can't bring it in halves which means that the kavan has to come from the full shear of the isar the kayen can't bring a katisarn of soilus in the morning and a different in the afternoon and the evening but he has to actually be makdish the entire is and then divide it in half that's how it has to happen has to be two halves of a whole that's what the mission says Maybe but let's say the drops dead after he brought half of it in the morning and all had their act together and they were able to get the replaced that same day. The cayenol should not just bring a half a from his house to take care of the second half of the day. And he can't even bring the second half that was set aside by that first now deaden. He has to bring a new fully and divide that in half because you always have to bring half from a whole and we destroy the second half of its two halves get burned but two halves get destroyed the says had the said that you have to bring half a we always refer to it as the half. So we're referencing the whole that you have to bring half from a whole you bring the whole divide in half. But let's say the half that was going to be brought in the afternoon became or got lost. Maybe that the terror is telling us you have to bring half of the whole maybe you bring the holy and you divide it in half. Let's say the brought half it in the morning and then died. Then another one got hired that same day. How does that happen? Because maybe So this is the Bryce that backed up the Mishna that we just said the half that you don't use. You have to wait until there's absolina where it's uber turas and it doesn't physically really change because we're talking about the silus over here but it's called uber turasen and therefore you burn it after that layer of nakman. I get the first one that you have to wait till I sur because it really was shy for the kangar to have brought it. It's just he died but there's no real pul in the actual itself. So therefore we have to kind of fabricate the pul and therefore you have to give it to ibura and make it into nicer and then you could burn it. So that I get but even when it was initially hooked for the it was done understanding that the second half could never be used. So why can't you just burn it right away and for the money you know who says this memor that you have to wait for ibur on the second half of the isarnu pigle tone ibur everything needs iber even piggle where there's already an inherent problem still he's very m that requires ibur so just like by the piggle requires ibur so too the second half of the will also need it but we don't pask like a raon the could be going that says that by pigle you would burn it right away and you don't But over here the mask that this is to become since when he did the division boy he could have done either half. So it has a to bringing as the even that second half because he could have chosen either one. So that's why we need to wait for I sura and it gets upf and then you can actually take it. All right, we're going to pick it up with the two dots for Purums do