Menachos Daf 49

All right, DAFF mem this is Sunday's DAFF and yesterday we were discussing comparing the ketas either to the schlamim or to aas and the big namino would be if you do is it going to possible the carbon or not and the last thing we learned yesterday was this about you're done which is if something is done improperly so you can learn out the same one to the other but you can't be learning when that's the proper way to do it and that was specifically talking about how old the carbon has to be by the different now the gamar is going to ask on the second to bottom line of we don't make such a leanwood. Let's say you have a carbon that has that you won't take it off the once it goes up. What do we know that from because a bummer could never have now you're not doing anything wrong with a bum. So you're learning out from so you see your rule is not correct. Moving over to Alf. No, because we don't really learn it from because the idea of learning from BAM that was just an asshi says but the mocker tells us that things will be imola but inami the will stay in full force. Let's say a guy is but he does it incorrectly for a ram. We're going to see what this means soon. is but it's not going to work towards the of the but it will be a proper schlum I mean it's not a carbon it's not true I disagree with but rather it will be it makes sense what Rav is saying that it will be where the thought that it was a different animal heing these he thought they were and heed them asim but He thought they were. So in that case it makes sense to say that they will be because here you have yeah you may have made a mistake thinking they were but did the proper activity. Let's say I mistakenly thought they were and therefore well then lie. It doesn't make any sense to say that they would be because this is the that is saying that was incorrect. I thought this was an aisle when it was truly avas that doesn't matter that still bibl but akira since I was mistaken about the mitsus. I thought this was an aisle when really it was a kev therefore when I had the kavana for the aisle it will not even matter. Now that's kind of a hard thing to think about because sure you're making a on your mats but you still didn't have the correct kavana. So why would Omar Raba said about his own we can ask aasha from the following Mishna in the Mishna says this is talking aboutd if the mdash because they're damaging the bum by costing them money if you create the pigle they're not going to be and the bry on that mission said pigulan pigle it will actually affect pigle even when it's done How's it to be if he knew it was a carbon which has its own rules of eating it for a day and then night and then the has the wrong and he actually thinks about which is day night day. So then he knows he's doing the wrong thing. So that's not considered he thought that it was a different animal. He thought that this was actually a carbon pig and pigle but yet we still say it's considered a pigle. You're wrong with your incorrect information that will still allow that to be an it will uproot the correct den and therefore that's why it's going to be considered pickle. So you have a kasha now rabba asks on himself it's no because really the knew it was a carbon. Now we said if it's if you knew it's then you're not a you're amazing but he wanted to be aim but the reason why it was considered is because he thought it was to have that kind of so that's why we call it a and therefore he'll be put because that's what was going on over there for the but made the mistake to eat the with the same time frame as a schlman that doesn't make it into the pigle because a is a another says shim monarch rice all the carbon that the was done are going to be and they do count for the is not the same as regular animal carbonus where we say it's not going to be let's say is the wrong kind of [laughter] but the veryas of the different kind of pan it is demonstrating what it was supposed to be so you have the correct action also If he does on a dry for the sake of one that's mixed up with oil but you don't have such a rale it's always the same process of so that's the reason why an animal that when you don't do for the correct it will not be but a will it'll be totally by a now dummy what's the case when you're doing on avas for the sake of aes I knew what it was and I did the wrong thing. Who cares? It's like you're intentionally having the wrong kind of so that can't be the case. It must be the mistake. He thought it was and he made a mistake. there by where you have the because in reality it's when it'll be generally speaking and it won't be no you don't have a from that because he really we're talking about the knew exactly what he was dealing with he knew it was a you asked what good is it He's amazed doing the wrong kind of the answer is because only that's not that you're wrong about if you're doing a wrong and it's clear what you're doing is incorrect. So since the Bryce that is talking about is a case where the K intentionally is trying to be the carbon. So that price has no shab saying that is not an back to which things are which other things. So you pos just read this mission you think you're talking about you have one animal and I don't know should I bring the carbon should I bring the carbon mus one is not going to be of the other and the mission says but we'll see in the more about this let's say never brought the carbon in the morning that you still bring the afternoon one they intentionally did not bring that carbon in the morning you can't bring the carbon in the afternoon. Let's say you didn't do the morning like you're supposed to. Okay. You do the afternoon one. If that would happen, no. No. Do everything. Bring the whole she of the in the afternoon. Meaning when you come to do that of the you need to have the whole she there and therefore play catchup and add the whole that even for what you didn't bring in the morning. Also in the same way the for the is with anything else besides the of the morning is going to go through all these things to show what is necessary for each. say that zebra doesn't have enough animals to do both the carbonid and the carbon mus which one has the kadimma. So what's we're talking about the same day where you didn't have enough that can't be right because obviously you bring the carbon it has the both the mil of being you bring it every day and it also has the kadusha because it has that day's kadusha as opposed to the carbon musf which also has the kadusha but it doesn't have the mil of kite what's the case you got either today's carbon or tomorrow's so in such a case. Now you come up with a scenario where you have versus which one is going to be the one you go with because our Islam that we already have enough animals for both the to and the musfil the mission is just giving you a to say you can go with either one first that can't be right because we learned in the nothing comes before the shakar so we know you bring the carbon first so the the carbon t of the morning is going to certainly have kadima over all the other carbonas so the mission can't mean that there's enough animals for both the musf and the tid and the only question is which one you do first turning over to bay elita delesle must be we don't have enough animals and you got to pick which one you want to go with okay so that's what the case is now if you're talking me about the same day where you only have one animal you got to decide if it's going to be the carbon or the carbon musf why does the mission make it sound like you can go with either one you got to take the one which is the carbon because that has both of must be the talking about where the carbon is for tomorrow and the carbon is for today what does the mission still Okay. So they have equal status to each other and you don't give a priority of aim of one over the other. So arrive from our Mishna is maybe our Mishna is talking about where we do have enough animal and the whole issue of the Mishna is about which one you do first that maybe nothing should go before the carbon in the morning. That's what the Gamar had assumed beforehand but maybe mitzvah alahu maybe that's just the best way to go but it's not really to be that way and therefore the Mishna can still give a to the carbon tot let's bring a from the following Mishna you're not supposed to have fewer than six that were already that were already checked out in that today because you have to have the minimum six in case the shabas and the two days of fall out consecutively one after the other. You got a three day y and now I need to have a total of six of these ready to go animals. So now let's break down what the r is from this isuen. You got enough animals for both the carbon Mosf and the carbon tomid for both shabas and the two days of rash. So then you're going to have a lot more than six animals. So the mission doesn't read lle must be there. We're talking about a case where you don't have enough for the carbon to and the carbon musf and you only have these six and yet the Mishna is still saying you need to use the six for the carbon of those days vice you go with carbonid which is going to have the mile of over so we essentially have a now for the sh of really got a whole bunch more animals including all the carbonus of this what the means say you can't have less than six of these examined animals that are already in the liska which means they had to be checked out four days before the but those four days of checking is only for the carbon to not for the current that's why you need to have only six of these kinds of lambs that's going to be they're telling you because the price is how you know you have to have the four days specifically by the carbon because the says in another it says So therefore, it's a specific by the carbon to you need to have these four days of beor, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be the same for all the other animals. And with that we're going to call it pick it up with Monday's daf by Omar Lelay Ravina Lauravashi.