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All right, today's
picking it up at the very bottom of its
with a new
let's say instead of the two
instead
for twice the amount that you're
supposed to have. So
take two of them and do the together
with the moving over to
so the Bryce is telling us that sure you
messed up you did four kal instead of
two kalas which means two of the kalus
are going to have the kaduca while the
other two are going to remain with their
kaducious dim. So you have to do tanufa
because we know you're supposed to do
and then a second tanufa after the but
you take out two of the kalas to do the
tanufa and the other ones you can do a
pigeon to remove the kaducious dum and
make them back into hula. Now Tyus on
the bottom of B speaks out that the
tunufa that you're doing is going to
have every permutation with each one of
the because you don't know which are the
rights to do the tuna with. But
basically you have this of doing the
pigeon with the other two
that
this says that you could do this pigeon
can't be like rebi now who's rebi we had
a mus before between rebi and whether or
not is it the of the is imbuing the with
their or is it later on by the so if
it's the and the would be it wouldn't
work for this because
since according to it's the goes ahead
and gives
to these
where are you doing the subsequent to
remove the park if you're doing them
outside of the can't because
the terra said it was done which means
that they're inside the until this point
which means it would have if it leaves
and if you're just going to leave the in
the to do the pinion there that's a
different problem even though you're not
bringing into the azor but we think by
virtue of the fact you're making now
these that have kaducious dum into you
are essentially bringing into the azar
but this is only going to be not like
where it's actually the of the makes the
to have their kaducious according to our
bless even after the none of the have
kaducious only kadushim so at that point
you can still take two out of the four
do the tanufa and then do the for those
that you just did the tanufa the other
ones can now be taken out of the and
just do a regular pia there's no so that
wouldn't be a problem according to
shimman
really I'll tell you the price is going
like rebi anyway
did the pad inside the ba mdash but why
isn't because he didn't bring it in
as we can understand it's very different
than bringing into the mdash to do a
where it now becomes in the mdash
but we have a different that says
you don't do it inside you do it outside
and says because of the problem
you're right
you're right That second Bryce is going
like a bless
because if it would be who holds that
would make it then it would have so no
problem from that because it's
let's say there's a
that we're about to say from the BCA
that we had learned. What does say
let's say a carbon which is supposed to
have 40. Let's say this guy did it with
80.
are. Okay. So, of those 80, 40 of them
are we don't know which ones. You got to
deal with that. There might still be the
same braer issues, but lisa 40 of them
are 40 are not
nothing happens. There's no such thing
as a carbon tit with 80. So, for the
fact that you did 80, you just did it
wrong and and none of them work. So,
says none of them are going to work. The
parallel case by us is this bry where
you went ahead and you did theim
against four kalas instead of the two
kalas. And yet the BR says two of them
are gonna beesh which the gar says
didn't we learn about that
everybody's asking if I speak out that
40 within the 80 should become
and therefore even
that 40 of them will be kadesh in that
scenario.
So the case of the four against your
said that two of those of the four
should be
so
the location name
so what teach from this
let's say you flip around the case
instead of two animals against four
loaves now it's four animals for
so now think about it two of these
different are going to have their shal
because only two of them is what the
terra mandated for is carbon. The other
two are going to have to be destroyed.
So what do you do? You're a different
carbon or something like that. And
that's what the Bris says. You remove
two of them.
The process is first you take two and
you do. It's ironic. But the first thing
you do is the incorrect ones and only
afterwards you do the for the actual
if you don't do it that way and you
actually do the ones first, you're going
to cause that second pair of to get a
problem and beer to eat. And that's
because of yesterday's daff about
and then that we don't find any time
there's gonna be a hat. And these
animals were
all and then afterwards is no good. So
that would
on this then you should go ahead and do
on those first two animals. So why you
doing that? So you can this way save the
subsequent two. But says,
"Are you allowed to tell somebody to do
an a or do something wrong to do a in
order to gain something from it?"
Because here you're telling the person
do a which is absolutely not the right
thing to do because it's it is to go
ahead and have a
when you're doing the of a carbon, but
you're doing it to save the other
animals. Is that a proper thing to do?
We learned in the
which is a problem because you're
supposed to eat you're not supposed to
eat. So once you have this
let them all
and we look at that as if it's the
actual fuel if it's the wood for the so
you can burn it all the no you can leave
it until it has until the next day where
it changes it
then you destroy it now why according to
do you have to destroy these
just go ahead put the on even though
they're not supposed to be burned but do
that quote unquote in order to have the
mil not wasting the avar and not have to
throw them out and burn them for no
reason. take one for the team. Do the a
do the wrong thing in order to save the
carbon
[laughter]
to do one problematic thing for to save
another will say
but we're not going to say to do for one
carbon to save a totally different kind
of carbon
but it sounds like you're saying that we
would be
for the same thing is that true says
if you
Or you do it the wrong day.
Do the and eat the buser. And when we
say do this, don't waste it. Make it
into a regular good old fashioned
shabas. But let's say it say shabas when
you did it with the wrong at that point
you can't save it. You can't do this on
chabas because speak out. It's probably
maka to do on chabas or maybe there's
avia on the I think it's what the
pherise says. Either way it's certainly
ushered to do on chabas unless the
terror says specifically you need to
theor. So, but if you lice did this on
chabas, it's going to work and you're
allowed to eat the carbon
as long as you go ahead and that night
you take care of the amim but you have
saved the carbon. Why don't we tell you
to do this
and that we would say to do in order to
save another thing that'd be fine but
that we wouldn't want to apply. Now this
assumption that we're not going to say
it
the mission in the eth paric of trumis
saysum
these wine presses had an upper and a
lower level. So let's say you have a of
truma in the upper level and it breaks.
So it's going down and you got to catch
it on that lower vat. It's got to now is
not a terrible thing. But if the wine of
truma mixes with trum and mixes with the
hoolan now you're making the truma.
That's a total loss. You're going to
lose all the you're going to lose all
the truma. It's not going to have enough
of one to 100 to be bottle and therefore
it's going to be a complete loss. So in
that case
if you can go and save at least one ra
of that trumah in it of then you have to
save it even though it's going to let
all the rest of it go into the lower
reservoir totally ruining all the good
precious but vimlav if I can't even save
that raara
thenra turning over to bay is
let it go down and become
and don't get involved catching it with
a kay Because even though you would be
salvaging your below with whatever you
can catch with the you can't do it but
no you can capture it with a and protect
what's beneath it because you can
saving all the that's kind of what the
idea is here. So even though this is two
different items, you are allowed to
apply this principle for the shiny
it's worse by the truma it's on its own.
Even if I stand back and do nothing,
it's going to completely be destroyed
because it's going down into this. So
therefore, you're not really doing
anything wrong when you catch it with
the because it's no worse than what
would have happened if you did nothing
at all.
When came he taught
let's say
which is one of the Rashi says that's
what we'll go with. It's a little
simpler. We don't say that the is going
to be kosher like the first Mishna says
about all carbonus aside from the and
the but is adding to the list
is also going to be puzzle if it was
and you have to wait for the
and then you destroy it afterwards.
There's an important rash entice here.
I'm just going to mention it that even
though something that is gets burned
immediately if there's a
like let's say the dam got spilled out
before this you don't burn them
immediately but you have to wait until
uber turas and you wait until the lina
so the question is over here if you have
a
there is a mus here between rashi and
tyus whether or not that's called or not
you think it definitely would be right
the actual animal has a of the wrong
makova when she did it but that does
seem to be musing typhus important
briskarov who makes the can take a look
at on page 95 as well as the stifler
also goes on this but it's apparently an
important that hopefully I'll get to
spend more time on understanding over
about this idea about the
going to be
if you're being a carbon which is kind
of how it looks like in the
so you see the terra puts the two
together so if you're learning that
there's a heish
of course is puzzle permission because
just the and the I think I said not
before but I meant and the pes are the
two that if you do them will be puzzle
because then it's like every other
carbon that it may not be but it's not
going to be puzzle
meaning they're treated like a regular
carbonim that those to have and you
don't need. So the Bryce of Ley is going
to be the Bryce of whether or not the is
going to be possible when it's done.
Let's ask on let's ask from this. Let's
say a person to bring a carbon that's
within its first year. He brought one
that was within it second year.
Those kinds of carbonas, those kinds of
are supposed to be in its second year.
When he did the
beher,
anything that's going to be
is also going to be it's
what we see from this. It's pathing that
if it's an is brought when it's going to
be kosher because it's too old. While
the breer of Vietk would say it's not
going to be kosher which the garamar has
no problem with that because
this tana is taky. So we already know
that Ley is arguing with the Bryer from
and learns that carbon are learned from
rather than therefore there's no
Tony Ley because Ley learned another
Bryce knows
meaning not that the animals were too
young but that the bum had not yet
reached the mat in which those carbonas
could be brought for them like the Nuzer
didn't do seven days of Tahara before
the animals gashakin or by the matsra he
hasn't done his seven days of tahara But
either way
or they were in their second year when
he
if you're telling me like said that the
ty is the to the ligma let him learn the
of the from the just like are going to
be kosher in their second year. So to
the ash we should be kosher which the
gar says
it's different animal it's a different
carbon now
if you're going to learn one kind of
from another kind of so and what's that
learner
gaz which have the discrepancy of if
they're in their second year but still
should we learn to the other
and we see we don't but it should come
out that all asham should have the same
whether they're in their first year or
the second but the prices that ley he
taught was certainly that the mater
in their second year of
ain't done.
You can learn something that was done
improperly from something that was done
improperly, but you can't learn
something that was done improperly from
something that was done properly.
Because even the sham that's done is
only but you don't see that you can
learn out from there to
we're going to have to call it here and
pick up a Sunday's daff next