Menachos Daf 41

All right. Alf. Let's pick it up. Five lines from the bottom of there is no issue of being shot. Whoa. Now that's actually sounds pretty wild because our approach has been the past day or two that you have no problem of shness when it comes to titsis. Kman mitzvah to wear the titus. But here it sounds like a talis pura. You're going to have no issue of shness. But my talis pura. What do we mean by that? When we say you're saying this bag itself doesn't even have the minimum amount which is this in the first place. Well the Bryce says let's say you have a size of a talis that a cotton could cover his moving over and an adult could go out wearing it. So in that case however if it's so small the kid can't even wear it properly even if the mighty wear it and that's going to be from [snorts] and the Bryce ends off by saying it's the same we asked on that Bryce what does that even mean that the only time you'll have an iss of is by a which is big enough to have that can't be that you don't qualify by the size of the it doesn't matter to any size of the if it's big enough then there won't be a problem of shness because if it's not big enough then that will be for that will be for shness so what does mean when he said that atalis pura is not going to have a problem of shness it should have a problem of shness so what do we mean that talis is going to be put from the hate mutelis We're talking about if someone put sitsus on a beggar that already had sitsus on it then the added situs are not going to be a problem of shness even though they're extra and they're mut you don't need them correct what would be saying then he already said this we learned about it yesterday that if you add situs to a begga that already had situs then remove the original titus you're still allowed to wear the new one so clearly there's no problem of shness even though that was talking about the house of also but you see there's no issue of shness so why does need to say it a second time ter saysar he didn't say one was only being inferred from the other and now he's just speaking it out. Now just to clarify the whole idea over here of pura rashi's lion in the line but says this is legen and the way tyus even expands on that back at the bottom of bay is is that even when you're not being the mitzvah of it's a mus of hutra ty doesn't use that expression but that's how we would explain it whenever we talk about say there's always the sh of versus hutra but what the garra seems to be saying over here certainly alis is that it's in gans and hutra this might be the makis rambom and rivid about Big kahuna. The ramp says the kohan cannot wear the big dahuna. The rivet argues popularly that's known as a mus between the raam and rivet about the hutra say the shagasar wants to know how is the raam saying this by biguna but yetis he seems to say there would be an idea of hutra in shagasar but these two ideas of hutra and the rabbam certainly seems to be saying hutra but be aware there is a third way to learn and that is that there's no issue that in a case of kimitus it's not the that you have the is that but rather there's No and therefore you won't even have which we spoke at yesterday. You don't even have to come on to that. It's more like cooking on y where the tyra never asked cooking in the first place on y. But the challenge with this is that the isus. So to say that we're not really using the classical duya or hutra and it's even a third madrega would be a little bit hard to say by kimbitus. Okay. But with that we move on. let's say you have a talis that's folded over it's and when we say folded over which is what we would always think but now what are we talking about here we're talking about a talis that's so big that when you fold it in half and you put the titus on the folded corners if you actually open up the folds the titus would actually be in the middle of the talis where your head goes and it's not technically in the corners so that's what shiman says is going to be put now the pos assumed that rib shiman would only kit it's in this kind of matzah folding but even if you would unfold it you would now even this but when the dark misha brings us he says it's going to be mish putter and the stipler works to explain this dark misha why it should be putter somehow because the corners are not in their correct location in front and in back so somehow it would be putter all the time is saying you're going to be putter for a task but everybody's mask that if this task was sewed such that it will never become unfolded then if you sewed it then of course that's the bead now so of course it's going to be It's not really sewed. It was just connected with these different some sort of tax pins, some sort of less permanent kind of connection point, which is always the kind of thing you have to now compare it to. Is this considered a shab safety pins, buttons, zippers? Each one has to be knitten by themselves. He saw he was wearing one of these folded and he had attached the to the corners of the folds. Now if the beggar became unfolded once now it became unfolded now it was byman's head this is not the corner that the terror says you got to put it on it's by your head so took it off and put on a different bag said you think you solved the problem here because it's a gavra you think that now you're the mitzvah by just putting on a different one and you don't have to worry about that begg took It's a on the begot. Every one of your dollar stick that a person has must have titus whether you're wearing it or not. So Rome like go put your titus on that that you took off. Now it could be there is only a on such a bag that you took off because he already wore it. If it was never worn beforehand then he may not be to put on titus and the pisk can discuss that lay the besides which are famous for the but here they are another firm kite here. Polish when they're making them once they got the first threeb of length of the bead they would immediately put the on it and here you see they're putting on the before they were even wearing it so you see it's on the bead itself the not about the person wearing it but you can't bring a from the super from shi don't bring me rise from they are very far front and now we have a very unique kumor this of isim who of kina Sadino one time a malik bumped into a kina when he was wearing a sadin meaning a linen bead and he didn't have the tus on it right we said you don't wear the like kina kina the malik said kina kina sadina you're wearing the sodas during the summer which is and you're wearing the sarval in the winter which has the rounded corners you know speak that out so mate you end up never wearing well is of kina back to the malik apparently he wasn't too phased that Amal started a conversation with him. He said backay, well, you punishing me for not doing a mitzvah essay? Should be no problem with that. I'm not doing anything wrong. I just am not doing the essay. Tyus stops on that and said, "What do you mean? We do punish for an essay." But Tyus Malik that an essay like building your suka or shy those kinds of essays that's the kind of thing that we'll be forcing you to do, but not the kind of essay that's situational. Even though Ra Gro spoke out, I think it's from that you'd think hitting a guy to do a mitzvah like building his suka, that's not punitive, that's not punishing, that's just making sure he should do it. But he brought Ryas that that actually is a of a punishment and it's not just pushing somebody to do what they're supposed to be doing. Said what's the big deal? So I'm not being this essay. I'm not I'm putting myself in a at a time when there's going to be a punishment the people who avoided putting themselves in are going to get punished. Okay. So the stranges of that exchange aside the if you tell me that this is on the person that's why there's a responsibility here because didn't put himself in such a if it's only on the begg and the begg has no responsibility to have citizen then what did he do wrong this m is that a person wouldn't be to buy land is just to be himself on trumors and micers if you're living in America you're just not responsible so why would he get punished so it must be that it is a gavra But then that's only going to be when it's the kind of beggability anyway of you're using all these different kind of to get yourself out of the mitzvah and that is not a team player and you might anger shamayim bash risk and therefore you should definitely look for the opportunity to be yourself. But it's not really a in the conventional sense because you're right. He's not the clothing in the drawer is still in meaning saying the same thing as it said whether you're wearing it or not which is talking about his that which he's going to be buried in that's going to be my time because that which you are covering yourself with the reason why are made is not to cover them for their because there's a different for It's interesting. I would have actually looked at this post a little differently that you have to cover yourself. Is it really you after a person dies? I could have heard the argument that that's not him anymore. He's not there. But it seems that the but it seems that of this is that it's not the says when a person dies put on his because since he's mitz if we would not put the on him it would actually be making fun of him and mocking him that he doesn't have any of mitzvah. Of course, you have to reconcile this with the Gmorra in where it says you shouldn't wear the titus in a basakvar because you don't want to make the mason feel bad and the mason if they're wearing tiss why am I even making them feel bad over there in Tyus gives two tom either because you're and they are not ava they'll still feel bad or a lot of people man are not wearing the situs because they're not really to wear the dal compass in the first place and therefore it would still be considered legushfa wear the situs in the bas okay Next of let's say you have a dollar confus and then to more than the three from its corner you're allowed to still sew it up but if it ripped within the three of the corner don't sew it up and Rashi explains because we're that there'll be these loose threads that will be confused as the and you'll have a problem of we learned in the brace if it's more than the three then you should sew it But if it's within the three but both mayor and are going to be mask both are mask don't bring an existing piece of material that already has the in it from somewhere else even if it's as big of an amma and attach it where that missing corner is because as Rashi explains you got to put big and this kaf was already made and therefore it's going to be possible but they're asking that you can bring that you took off from a different existing beaded and you could put it on this torn bead. Turning over to him as long as it's not torn meaning that need to be schlam. Rashi says Tyus wants to know like yeah obviously Tyson says we must be talking about garduman fracturamus mat which we know is going to be so can you bring a riot that you're allowed to take from one beaded to another beed. So these say no because the reason potentially why you're not allowed to take from one begg to another is because the bazillion to the tiss but maybe that first bead became worn out so therefore you have no problem taking the tissue bead next let's say have a be that's totally made out of I don't care what color the threads are that will all be of you can't put this dye of elen threads on this bag I me seems to say not that way that talis You have to have the same kind of men to be. But if it's all you can have anything else to attach to the you could use it depends. Are we talking about if it has four or eight threads? Where is the not going to work? It's only when you had four and therefore two of them are now color elen and therefore that sits is not going to be good because they're all the same color but the second brace it says if you have eight tits threads and you fold them over to make 16 then the first four are two tails and two of a different color so the extra threads that you don't need are going to be kalan so we're not really relying on that and therefore don't use it because we don't want people to have a kilan but it'll be kosher so because you can see put the under but no maybe it's only it'll Okay, you're not allowed to move from one to another. This is that you shouldn't light from one to another. Rob holds it to the of the mitzvah and therefore you shouldn't do it. Rav says we don't pass by the case of dragging which we'll explain in a second. Omar all of these we pass except for the three cases that we pass. You could put this from one begg to another and we're make you're allowed to drag the chair on the ground on shabas as long as you don't intend because unless it will be mut according to rib shimhuda mosaur rahuda would give his talis to the dry cleaner and he wasn't worried that the tus would accidentally tear off and the laundry guy would replace it with kle elen because kilen is cheap way out. So that was potentially the kash. He wasn'tish for it. Raanino of he would actually somehow wind up the citizen into a ball to make sure they wouldn't tear cuz he was concerned about it. Rava lu raa would somehow sew into the pocket of the hem of the talis to also protect the situation. You'd think the following gam would be the way we'd start the whole but we waited now to find out. How many threads do you put in your titus? You need four you need three. Because the word gadilum is lush and robb you need to have a few. We just don't know how many it could be two which is folded over to four but basil holds it needs to be three because that's how you typically do a braid and that's how he understands gadil and regarding the shear the three that's says each one of them is one quarter of a of a regular sized person. Now we break this down. Number of papa is how big is a it's four that you use your thumb to measure it. So it's four thumbs. Six is with a pinky and five is with your pointer finger. So therefore saying the is talking about with these thumbs and is saying four that should have four folded threads within four of the corner of the be and it should hang down four as well. Rafoon is going like B shi as far as the number of how many threads you need and the length of them. And he's also adding that it can be no further away than four at spice from the edge of the bag. You should have three folded threads within three spice of the edge of the bag and should hang down three at spice also. And what's the papa that says it should have four folded threads within the three spice of the edge of the beheaded and should hang down for it spice. And that is Taco How Pascin. And we'll call it here and pick it up with Sunday's Daff from Lamera.