Menachos Daf 106

All right, duv Monday's daf and we're going to pick it up on the third line of kuv as we continue discussing shim personic about how much he's to bring for his carbon. How's it going to work? Remember that according to mafanor doesn't have to be only it could be some kalis. So Frank, you're going to have a problem now with your extra sheikar on the what he had committed to was to bring partially and partially raikin. So she what do you do with your micer she divide that lug of shem into two parts. One part is smeared on the whole exterior of the rakin and the other one is mixed into a nl with the kala and then the micer she is also mixed in with the kalisik that it's all. So now I just don't know what to do with this extra micer shaman and for the gammora. Okay, we can be on a different shittita that the micer shaman won't make enough kamina whether or not it's all rakin or not because it's the price says you're supposed to smear the oil in the shape of this letter key which is a big shin. Is it a test or it's a or letter or looks like a letter X or an upside down V whatever it is holds you do this process the is partially and partially and you give the extra she to the so that could be how we understand it'll be going like that you do this process with the she okay but getting back to the basic that if you don't remember which you bring you bring all five different kinds of soashi why are we assuming we're only talking about the five kind of flowerbased. Why don't we also be that you got to also bring the that you bring along with your we call it to which the says what kind of would we be misupic about and now we have a sim for all the different ways we can know that you're not misopic about maybe bringing a of a because he's only misupic about bringing a for andal he was never worried about bringing so therefore it will only be possible to the five that the mission listed meaning but not something that comes on its own but like the which comes he was never about that or is to he was going all the way he wanted to bring a with or is bubble lug something that comes with a single lug of she per isarin of silus and leop and the comes with two or three lugan perisar depending on what carbon it was being brought along with and lastly that's like so there's no way we're about bringing the minus that came along with the it could have only been one of these five then the mishnet said I definitely spoke out to bring a carbon of isim I just don't remember how many isrinum so what do you bring a mka the mission says of 60 is but rebi then says you have to bring every possible combination of this from 1 to 60 bon it says if a guy says I know I was going to bring a and I had to bring it in a single k of I just don't know how many so you got to bring one of 60 is no you bring every possible carbon of from 1 to 60 and how many is that I think it's combinatorics when you do that kind of thing that's 1,830 is the math that Rashi goes through the to get you to the 1830 number of how many you'd have to bring. Now the next case of the Mishna I promised to bring the of a certain number of in one ki but I don't remember which of the five different I spoke out I was going to do I also don't know how many I have to bringish you bring five of 60 each which ends up being 300 is in Gansen 60 times five that's all no you're not going to get away with that you got to do much more you have to bring five times that 1830 as we just said and 5 time 1830 is 9,150 that is a lot of carbon according to you have to bring now asks the what's the about this is not what the person was thinking it's rather about whether or not you could bring and when we say we're not talking about the of everybody's mask and that's user but there's a whether or not just physically bringing the into the is there actually an iss but here where you could potentially bring this kind of thing in a mat of kaduca but you're bringing it in asen why are you bringing it as because the person here is and you're trying to cover all your bases that means you're acknowledging that there's definitely going to be some here so if it's going to be you can't do that so and therefore every other permutation has to be according But so ironically, I can get away with less and I don't need to make each one into its own carbon. It can just be and stay that way. No, there's a different understanding of the can I mix the with the in the same kali and therefore the person can bring the 60 in a single kali and just say that that the amount within this kali is going to be the and the rest of it will just be in a therefore you have to have a separate kali for each one of the different possibilities you have a technical problem because since within the same ki you're going to have multiple possibilities one is going to be av and one is going to be so you should do two kitas to represent each one of these different respective minis and put them okay the comets are comet and economies that's what he did well and that's no good you can't do one to the other essentially this sounds like that's how the learns it over here the actually goes through this And essentially he's making a when he does the okay after take these two. How's the supposed to be and burn these? If you take the and you do that first, how could then you afterwards do the because there's a possibility that the whole is a and now because you've already taken some out you don't have the proper shear of your and that's a problem because and what's the other alternative if you want to do the first well then you got another problem. How can you actually afterwards be mates of the turning over because of the maybe the entire thing was actually a and once you took away that initial the rest of it's going to blob and it's going to be because it's part of something which is going to have an because once you're m something as a the rest of it is aller to go on the misbeh so once you actually have been mates you can no longer be mates because it has a den of the you're going to be there first. Ah, you're worried it's going to call it the going to burn that of the not as fuel according to you don't have a problem when it comes to burning it. So now once you've said that maybe even that you can actually mix together with the and you know what they're going to be arguing about this idea of whether or not you can put so if you think you could actually mix the with Rebelar less and he doesn't hold then why would rebi require 1,830 different the bring that second kmates easily by just including it all in one kali mana and one more is could be in another kali comet all you have to do is put both of these different kalem together and now you can do one kamita from both and since rebi never says you can do one kamita for both but rather makai if you'd bring 60 different kalem which is going to have 1,830 is Clearly he does not hold that you can mix both the and explain that you could burn it all. What's that about? It's none because the mission says before you got to put 60 parts oil against the 60. It only has one lug of oil. Can I get all 60 but you need 60 lug of oil with 60 lug of flour. So every s of flower needs a respective lug of oil. So when the person forgot how much he had to bring for his nether we don't know whether or not the 60in that were in the kali is part of one or whether there two different bean. So this becomes Rav's new understanding what the is and about yet another understanding of their button which we would probably say is like what they're arguing about if you promise to bring a small one instead you brought a bigger one you're smaller one that's inside the bigger one. Why would that be the already exists in a different context as the mission is going to say on tomorrow's so we wouldn't need it twice know you wouldn't need it because if it was only in this context of because whether or not you're bringing a small cotton or a large you're only going to spring that same fixed amount of the on the but over there meaning tomorrow when we're going to talk about actual behemoth and carbonus to kafishi amurin It's actually a different amount that you're going to bring. Maybe you can't bring a larger one to the smaller one because it's actually a different amount that you're to bring if I only had that one about the animal but by the where the size is not going to be telling them because it's a fixed amount for the therefore I need to have both. And then we got a simmon to tell me all the different next upcoming Mishna. Someone says I have to bring for the you can't bring less than two of these cut pieces. We'll see in the gumar exactly about the if I promise to bring that's the minimum amount there are five different that are about number one in that case you got to bring with it the along with that someone who does the kamita outside the mdish is going to be actually so we're saying that the shar for that will be a size and then numbers of four and five are going to the two that require the two continues the if someone says I'm going to bring gold so if I say I'm going to bring I can't also bring less than if someone says I know I promised a certain amount but I just don't remember how much I promised so the mission says you got to keep on bringing until you know for a fact I would never have promised so much gold right if a guy is poor he's not going to have brought so much so there's a certain point where he'll know it's not sh meant to bring so much. Now this idea that your keep giving to the bdash until you know you are not to seems to fly in the face of the concept of you should based on only have to give the minimum amount to the mdash and to that which I think is in that from this you see that there is no mus of when it comes to which I feel like is such a and I got to think there's going to be cautious on that from other places but file that one away and see if it holds a ton We learned in the carbon if a person brings a carbon that's what the PK's talking about you can actually bring as your carbon the how much is the minimum amount if you don't say the actual amount you see from the we do call wood as a carbon and therefore you actually have to salt the wood before you burn it you have to have the bringing it to that corner of the reborn According to Revi whose madame the atmates to un kamita you're going to need kamita for the wood which is a bit of a shiloh what the kamita would be over here you have to grind up the wood and make it into a powder to be kates which is how rashi seems to learn over here in ma but there are other that suggest that there's additional silus brought along with those that you do the kamita with and papa according to the areim you need other wood to burn the wood that you're bringing as your carbon and we're going to stop here and pick it up withmates for Tuesday's DAV.