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Menachos Daf 104
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All right, today's daf kufalid shab.
This is daf and today we get to finish
the perrick. But first we got to finish
talking about these shirim because if
you remember the gumari yesterday it
said look this is how shirim work even
if it's only a little bit more than the
sheir meaning the 61st is over 60 it
won't be bo it won't mix properly and
now we're picking up seven lines from
the bottom of kgim bay
less
rebi there was a donkey that seemed to
have dropped dead in the house of rebiu
and apparently it was bleeding so they
were being mash was there a raas of dam
that came out of this animal because if
there was a revealed
rebu
this is all can be found in the eth
paric
that the dam of a dead carcass of an
animal is it doesn't have a of
they were once feeding these wild
donkeys to the lions and the king's
armies and the people who were being
when they were going up to
they were up to their knees in blood and
they didn't seem to care and didn't care
the fact that this was being mat them so
clearly dam is not a problem for Thomas
Na people are going up to bring carbonus
they got to stay tar so to that was
ishikar
why didn't you respond
what can I answered.
He doesn't own the land that he grows
his own on, but he has to buy new grain
from the store. And therefore, the next
shabas shabas. This is the guy who has
to live paycheck to paycheck. He's very
nervous and he can't be confident in his
own
who's relying on the baker because he
doesn't have enough to have a stockpile.
moving over Tomal vahra and then that
person meaning referring to himself is
relying on the baker meaning I myself
I'm very far nomen with money I can't
really concentrate and I cannot respond
back to that they asked that's why I was
so okay so what's the terret there is no
for the
for the household of the meaning's
household
like his own because the says
There were six things that were the
exceptions that was more than bas
and amongst those things was more than
basil.
Even when Basil who was more was like he
only made it at the veras
since it's possible for the dam to
congeal and become a solid mass and then
you could be mashed as a kazayas. So who
is saying that you should measure the
reveals like basil who we paskin like
that the dham of nea is mama andamiuda
doesn't hold like the we quoted that
there is no dam there is but because
therefore they were mama in a verius
when it comes to you've got your basic
two different categories you have your
that you have to bring as accompanying
to existing carvanas or you can bring of
how much do you bring for these while
the tyra prescribes it. It'll be either
three lugan, four lugan, six lugan
corresponding to the different carbonas
that the tyra says. But what happens if
you want to bring your own? Can I just
make up the amount? And the answer is a
big resounding no. You can't make up
your own amounts of lugan forim. So
that's what the mission is going to talk
about. Ain't
you can't bring of single two lugan five
lugan because there ain't no such thing.
You could bringisha
three, four or six because those are the
ones the terra prescribes and therefore
you're paralleling a proper amountish
lama or more because once you bring more
than six because now you can go ahead
and make up the numbers that would
comprise it. So let's say for example I
want to bring seven lugan. So seven
lugan could be now broken into two
different amounts of four and three
which actually are prescribed by the
tyra and eight can be comprised of four
and four and nine can be comprised of
six and three. So that's why any number
higher than six will actually be okay.
Kevlim is there a fixed amount for the
what does this mean? Meaning if
somebody's makab to bring a nava of a
certain amount of lugan does he have to
bring that entire amount at one time or
is it maybe not keva and he could break
it up and bring the part that is
speak it out going let's say he said I'm
going to bring five as my so
he can now separate four because four is
a real amount of
and that extra is brought as av
and that can be done either by selling
off that single lugg and using the money
to go into the basic uh community chest
over there could buy animals with it.
can use for kits or that single lug will
be held on to until you can add two more
lugan to it and use it for the carbon
tid which would require aim of three
lugan but either way you can do
something with that remainder
let's say we're very strict and you have
to have that fixed amount for your soal
until you add that additional then you
can't bring any of it maybe that's the
other side so my what's the how strict
are we going to be about these when
they're not brought with the exact
amount that you promised so
so let's bring arrive from the Mishna in
the sixth parag that shish and a dava
where that mission had talked about the
13 different boxes that they set up in
the of the mig to collect money. Seven
of them were for different specific
needs, but the remaining six were for
people to put money in to be used for
their carbonus of Nadava. The Amina and
Kad me what were those six different
pushkas for? And then Mishna lists Kiser
Katus Meister Asham Nazer Meer Asham
Mitsraer Kenaniser Menas and Rashi goes
through to explain how you have extra
money from any of these respective
carbonas. Now vis if you're telling me
that the amount of the nakim is not keva
and therefore if you promise to bring
five lugim and you only bring four the
fifth one you take the extra money and
you give it for the
should be another pushka
and we don't have that listed in the
scholar says because
the money that was in these six
different pushkas were going for the
which didn't happen all that often. So
therefore you have to store the money
because you need to be able to hold on
to it since they don't happen that
frequently but honey extra lugan that
you have that happens all the time
because because most carbonas actually
need associated and therefore
so you can put together one person's
additional lugg with another person's
additional lug and quickly come to the
three lugan and bring it and therefore
we don't need to create a whole
designated pushka to hold on to that
extra money. All right, let's try again.
The Bris says Ezra everybody in Israel
needs to do this
that you cannot do a
it doesn't have to be only accompanying
existing the how much do you bring for
those
you can add more
maybe I can even do less than the three
lugan no it has to be like this which
Rashi says is and therefore you have to
do the three lugan so my what did that
mean that that you can add to the
existing Three Lugan are above you can
add four or six. Well, that's push it.
The whole point of the Lucans because
the Tyra says they can be brought up
with the Kev as one of the carbonas and
above
they have an existing precedent along
those carbonas.
You must mean that when we said you're
being we're talking about the Kamisha
five that means that four lugan are
being brought out to the Nadava
themselves. And what's the fifth one?
It's going to be given to the Nadava of
asham in Kev and it doesn't seem to be
holding up the works. you can still
bring your four lugan and the fifth one
gets added to the pot and it's
what are you talking about doesn't say
so in our Mishna because our mission
says
the equating the two ideas
that's just not going to work because
there's no such existence of two
because there's no such thing as fivean
that are brought as it is keva to which
the this nisha cuz
the fact that two is not going to be
working at all. It's not that the five
also won't work. Maybe the five won't
work as five, but take four and then add
the fifth to theimmer.
If you're telling me that there is no
keva and you could add that to the
then that's fine. But
so until you eat the number 10, I know
what the would be because every single
combination of the numbers within the 10
I know what to do. But once you break
the number 10, now you're up to 11.
Turning over to me. Now I don't know
what to do cuz my
maybe the guy was to bring the amount
corresponding to what's brought with the
par which would be two sets of six and
now he's one short of two sets of six
and until you get that one more look
maybe he shouldn't bring it
maybe he wants to bring the amount of
corresponding lugan that goes for and
one is and therefore right away he's
good with the 11 that he has and he
doesn't have to add anymore
the guy was Was
he being two animals of one kind and one
of another or not? What's
not clear? Let's talk the last mission
in the peric. We know you can already
bring just wine by itself. But
you cannot bring a carbon of just oil.
No, you could
that you can both bring the meaning the
corresponding of that comes along with
the kbonus and you could bring by
itself.
It comes along with the carbon of an
animal and therefore also
it's not true because
you bring wine by itself.
You never bring oil by itself. And then
the mission ends off.
This is something we've talked about in
the past. You cannot bring a carbon of
one is with a sounds a bit like if there
were more than one is you could actually
split it up amongst which is something
theim deal with. But the rakkins that no
matter how big a carbon is, it can never
be divisible amongst
that can be done with more than one
owner.
And when it comes to birds, it can
always be brought by more than one
person. Even if it's one little small
bird, can also be brought by more than
one person
from both what do you learn that
you can always bring even if it's not
being accompanied by any carbon of an
animal. I know that you can have no
when the told us about the idea of a it
only mentioned five different kinds of
and therefore
you can't just add on an additional one
like the one comes and tells us no
that's only when the person promised to
bring in that case you have to bring for
one of those five that the Tyra
mentioned actually lists the five for us
over here
those you could bring when you just
promise
but if you say I want to bring a with
wine and then no problem and according
to it will also be with oil. Then the
Mishna had said
more than one person cannot bring a with
their but they can do it with a bird. So
my why can't you bring a carbon with a
joint ownership
which is
and that can be brought with
him.
All right. Let's look for another mocker
which is
all can be brought as afra
only excluded.
We only use that expression there by by
who would bring a carbon which is this
which is this cheaper stuff because he
doesn't have animals. So
why is the so unique that it says these
five different kinds of meaning there's
there's five different ways to prepare
essentially the same thing. You're
frying with oil.
His friend made for him a meal.
But the king knows that the one who's
making the meal is poor and can't really
afford anything. So, he tells him,
"Make for me the flower in five
different ways prepared with the oil,
even though they're all essentially the
same.
So, I should get from you." So, Hashem
doing us a favor, allowing us to be able
to serve him.
And on Sunday, we get to start the last
peric of this amazing mase.