Menachos Daf 100

All right, today's Duff Cuff Tuesday. It's Duff and we get to finish the 11th perek of Menachos. But first, we've got some more of this Is there a dig at the Montrachet I got to let's pick it up on the first of the widest lines on Sadi Tesuma base. Shaul Ben Duma Ben Achisa show Rebbe Yishmael it's Rebbe Yishmael. Ben Duma asked his uncle Rebbe Yishmael the following question. Someone like me who learned everything. I believe there's one girsa in this Gemara that actually says it's chachmas Aristotle. But our girsa is it's going to chachmas Yevanis. Can he learn it? He's learned all of Torah already. So Kara al lo Hamikra Zera b'Yishmael quoted the following pasuk to Ben Duma of Lo Yamush Sefer HaTorah b'Yom u've Laila. So say of the day, go and find Sha'ashu'ei Min HaYom u'Min HaLaila. If you can find some time that's not day or night, then you could go out you can go take your college courses on Greek philosophy on a time that's not day or night. In other words, no, you always have to learn Torah. And the Beis HaLevi says in his Hakdama in his Sha'alos u'Teshuvos, I think he also writes this in Parshas Yisro, there are two dinim in Talmud Torah. There is the limud al menas la'asos, you have to learn everything to know it, which was really the basis of his question. Hey, I learned it all so I know everything to do. Can I now spend other time learning chachmas Yevanis? But Zuk the Beis HaLevi there's a tveiter din in Talmud Torah, which is to be loimed lishmah. Even if you know everything, you're still muchayiv to learn Torah. Based on this, the Beis HaLevi writes another pshat in Shalei Beracha b'Terei Chila the Gemara in Nedarim of why we lost the Beis HaMikdash. I said one pshat yesterday from a Beis HaLevi. And to be honest, I never saw that Beis HaLevi inside, I heard it from Rebbe Breuer once say speaking in Yeshiva when I was a bachur. But this Beis HaLevi is apparently in the Hakdama of his Sha'alos u'Teshuvos where he writes that based on the Sugya we had in Menachos earlier actually that you only make a bracha on the completion of the mitzvah. That's when you make your bracha on the tzitzis only when it's completely formed. So when they were b'Terei Chila because they had already learned a lot of Torah, but they only learned it al menas la'asos. So those Yidden b'Beis Sheini, hey, yes, they did learn Torah, but since they felt that the The point of limud HaTorah was al menas la'asos, why should we make a bracha? It's not it's the Gemara mitzvah yet. And where they were wrong was they were missing out on the whole Torah lishma, which now requires a bracha cuz now it's the Gemara asiya'sa. And he speaks out how the nafka mina would be noshim cuz noshim are also muchuv to learn Torah al menat shelo lishma. They have to know what to do and therefore they have a mitzvah to learn Torah for the things that they need to learn about. They just don't have the chiyuv talmud Torah of learning lishma when it's not an igay l'halacha. But this didn't Rabbi Shmuel who is a plugia to Rabbi Shmuel bar Nachmani. The amar Rabbi Shmuel bar Nachmani amar Rabbi Yochanan son pasuk zeh einah l'chiyuvah v'lo l'mitzvah ela bracha. The pasuk of lo yamush sefer ha'Torah zeh mipicha is not a chiyuvah mitzvah but rather a bracha. The Rabbi Kaddish Baruch hu is Yehoshua she'divrei Torah chavivim alav b'eiser she'ne'emar u'misharet Moshe Yehoshua bin Nun na'ar lo yamush mitach ha'ohel. It's interesting that the pasuk called him a na'ar. He was not a young man, Yehoshua. He was 56 years old at the time. But the enthusiasm, the chavivus he had, made it pasuk to call him a na'ar. And amar Rabbi Kaddish Baruch hu Yehoshua kol kach chaviv alav ha'Torah Torah ah, therefore I'm going to bench you the lo yamush sefer ha'Torah zeh mipicha. But it's not a makor of a chiyuv. Tana d'vei Rabbi Shmuel divrei Torah lo yehiyu alecha chiyuvah. Torah should not be a chiyuvah to you. Ya'ato rasha'i liftor atzmecha mehen. And you can't patur yourself from it either. Now, what's this chiyuvah that it's not? So where Rashi learns this is that a person shouldn't look at it that he has some sort of obligation and he's going to pay it off. Check the box and get it done. That's not how you should look at it. That's Rashi's shita. Tosafos brings two other shitot. Either it is first shita that you shouldn't say that I can't do any other things. If I have an obligation, I can't do anything else other than fulfill my obligation. No, you should do other things. You can get a job etc. and support your family. And the other idea is that it's not on your head to learn every single thing in the whole Torah but rather just do your best and learn as much as you can. Amar Chizkiyah mai d'chtiv v'af hasis ummi pitzar rochav l'mutzak tach'teha. This pasuk in Iyov that's a reference to Gehennom is narrow at the top and wide at the bottom. Bo reish like midas hakodesh Baruch hu midas pasuei adam. Midas pasuei adam adam meisis es chaveiro midarchei chayim u'midarchei misah. A person who could be a meisis Mayses is shana from gehenna which has a entrance that's very narrow. She also not so it's done that way so this way the smoke will gather in the same place moving over to mad alef beside her within it. Maybe think the whole thing is also narrow time with lemar and make here give widens it. She might have a little Maybe it's not going to be for a melech which is a reference to a talmud chacham who has left his torah. Gam he chulchan even for that person. Maybe there's no fuel in it. We do rasa mayses there's plenty of fuel to keep that fire going. Who Sahara this is going to be the Sahara for talmud torah meaning that he doesn't have gehenna but in for the talmud chacham there's no more Sahara beyond that being absolved of gehenna. Malay doshen he'll have lots of Sahara in haba. Okay. The mission told us if you fall out on shabbos and you can't eat the sore of and you can't eat the sore of kipper and then the mission said that if kipper falls out on Friday the would eat that sore of meaning raw on erev shabbos because they couldn't eat it on kipper. So the mission said they're really from Alexandria they're really from Alexandria from Egypt and we actually say they're from but because they're abundant didn't like the mission and we'll see in the mission why is but right now let's finish this. They say they're called the Alexandrian mission and then the mission said the mission said they're from Alexandria and we actually say they're from mission called the Alexandrian mission. Who had a mission from Bably to North Dakota she not the duty you should have a because you gave me a because it wasn't my that ate like these mission that ate it raw. Now the mission speaks out up on top that what was the problem with the mission because they didn't come back to me Ezra to the second on Migdal. But Zach Tyson is an important line of air and mash must cure nice and Migdal and I see him crying. This that it's a negative that they ate it raw. I thought God Zach Tyson is the mix for God be what's the mix for surely a volley they nicer that it doesn't come to nicer. By eating it now you're not going to leave it overnight. So there won't be any nicer and that's a mix for and the rash hash points out that's the mix for that you don't make it nicer. How about the fact that it's a mix for a killer's culture. Oh, maybe because you're eating it raw and therefore if you're eating it raw it's not a killer say and therefore maybe you have a riot from here that killer's mix for surely like a Derek a killer hates me mix for. If I go ahead and I eat my matzah on Pesach surely like a Derek a killer maybe I'm not going to eat to make a matzah or maybe it's just a Derek by culture. Okay, I ain't sure. So the mission see there is a lucky mission of Shabbos which is what you're supposed to do. Yes I was thinking like a Shabbos when you only put the vision on Sunday and then what you do the haters of a vision of Shabbos and then the following Shabbos you burn the visions. Now the vision were only going to be there for six days instead of the seven days they were supposed to be there. The whole life is it's puzzle. Those look home are now puzzle because it's my husband and now ends up the mission and a land mission pick a nice of a Tommy. Because you're not going to be having a pig or when it's already puzzle, right? It has to be the soul matter. The Rama has the opposite gear so that therefore having a lot of pig or nice of a Tommy. Now next case of the mission see there is a lucky mission of a vision of Shabbos. Let's say you did it properly on Shabbos. The haters of a vision of Shabbos. So here you went ahead and you burned the Lavina way too early because you did it only after one day. So you now puzzle your look home and so they ain't having a lot of pig or nice of a Tommy. Same kind of an idea. But now see there is a lucky mission of a vision of Shabbos. Let's say you did everything on Sunday. So now come the next Shabbos it will only have been there six days. The haters of a vision of Shabbos puzzle because like we said it's not enough time. It hasn't been on the show home for a full week. So case of yes, so what do you do to make the look home and and the vision of Lavina okay? Yeah, I know the Shabbos above. Leave it there for a whole another week. So it'll be a total of 13 days by the time you're done. Shall feel he a lot of drama in the car school and that'll be your answer. So you see that the fact that it's there a little longer is not going to puzzle it. That's what our camera is going to deal with now. We're going to start off with the mission in Yuma as a hack down to the Mars cashews. Not on Hassam the Mishnah in Yuma tells us the Mamuna who's in charge every day we're talking about the Korban Tamid would say, "Tzei Uru Umigias Machita. Let's see if we can already now bring the Korban Tamid cuz you have to wait for daylight to be able to bring the Korban Tamid." Say Migias came Aryeh Omer, "Barkai. It's morning." Matisyahu ben Shmuel Omer, he would ask, "Hey, are Pnei Kol Hamizrach Khevron?" Is the sky lit up all the way to Khevron? Omer Hein and the people would say, "Yes." Kol Hamutzrachim Kol Hakach and why they have to do this? All of them are Al Levana. One time it was moonlight. Shaher Mizrach and they thought it was daylight. Shachtu Es Tamid. I guess they were so eager that they Shachtu the Tamid when it was technically still nighttime and therefore they Paslu it. But I see you who leveis Sreifa and they had to burn it. Okay. Now continues this Mishnah in Yuma. V'he Reedu Kayin Gadol leveis Atvilah. On Yom Kippur when it came time for the Shchitas Tamid, the Kayin Gadol went down to the Mikvah. Kol Hayev Mikdash Kol Hamayseach Esrog leton Tvila. If he went to the bathroom, then he would have to go to the Mikvah proper. Kol Hamayseach Mayim. But if he was only being Maschin Mayim leton Kishui D'raglayim, he would need less of a level of not a full Tvila but just Kishui D'raglayim. Now, on this point that they accidentally Shachtu the Korban Tamid one time too early. Tanyah V'hu D'Rav Yavin. Lo Yazu Bilvad Ela Afelu Aishin Nelkav Ailef. Let's say a Melikah was done by nighttime, which is also improper for the Melikah to be done by night. Uminchashin Nikmitzav Ailef. Or let's say a Kmitzah was done by night. Taytze leveis Sreifa. It's Muchsar Zman and therefore they're going to be Pasul. Now Bishlam Ailef I get it that you Shachtu the Ailef cuz you did the Melikah at nighttime. So you got to burn the bird. You can't go back in time. The bird is very much dead. Mishum Dilay Efshar Ladur. You can't take it back. Ela Minchah. But let's say the Kayin went ahead and did the Kmitzah at night when he did that. Which was clearly wrong. But Efshar Hadur Kayin Tzeladach. Put the Kmitzas back in the pan of the Minchah. The Kmitzas be a moment and just do it again. Like why you going to Pasul this Korban Minchah permanently? Fix it. Which the Amora's answer is, "Who Tanyah Lah V'hu Amrah Lah." The Avodah Rav Yavin taught the Braisa and he answered it. Because Klei Sharis Mekadshin Shlibis Manan. You know why this Minchah is game over? Because you took that Kmitzah, you put it into a Klei Sharis even by night it becomes Mekadshin Koidish and now you can't go put it back. "I may say they call Hakari by I'm Kadish by I'm any culture that are brought by day is going to be this Kadish in its cliche is by day. And anything by Lila is Kadish by Lila. And lastly been by you more than by Lila something that is brought by day or by night then it will be Kadish been by you more than by Lila. Now call Hakari by you more Kadish by you more anything that's supposed to be brought by day you put into a cliche is you have to be Makadish it in its cliche is by day. That sounds like by you more in over by Lila Loy. If you go ahead and you do that Kamitsa which is supposed to be by you more Lakira you can't be Makadish it when you put into the cliche is at night. And therefore that means that you prematurely did the Kamitsa should not become puzzle. Just put it back in the pan and take another Kamitsa once the daytime comes. So we have to tweak this rule. In a Kadish Lakari I will Kadish Liposol. You're right if it's supposed to happen by day night time can't be Makadish it over it can puzzle it. Once you put that Kamitsa into the cliche is by night it is Kadish enough Liposol. Awesome now we can finally ask the Kasha from our Mishnah. My server of the Zera see there is a lesson in the Zikna Kasha let's say you went ahead and you're Masada upon him in the Zikna on a Sunday. So now when you come to the next Shabbat it's only going to be six days. So the Hiktoris of the Zikna of Shabbat since it's Makashas mine will be Posola. So Kaisa Yasa the end of the Mishnah had said leave it there for a whole another week. Now the Isaka Daita cliche is Makajin Shula Zmana the Kadish will live so Lakira if you're telling me that the cliche is can achieve a Hakadosha even Shula Zmana Lakira you can't just leave the Lachamim on the Shulchan for a whole another week. Once you come to that following Sunday you're going to have a Posolina. And for the Gamara Amar Raba Manda Kamasiv Shabbat Kamasiv. It's Takis a good Kasha but Avu the Rabbi Avu Nami Mas Misa Kamri. The Avu the Ravovin wasn't just saying his own memory he was saying over a Tanaya Sham Brisa. So we got to reconcile this. And the way you'll do this by saying Kasover Lila ain't Makashas mine. A carbon brought by night instead of the daytime like it's supposed to is not considered Makashas mine. But a Yumin Makashas mine a carbon brought on the wrong whole day is considered Makashas mine. So even though the cliche is will be Makadish the Kamits by night the Shulchan is not going to be Makadish the Lachamim on that Sunday, okay? But save save turning over to Moti Lailya the base Shimshi when that first Friday night shows up the Kadish the should become by the Shulchan and therefore should become possible Bolina on the next Friday. So that first Friday night that which is being Kadish the Kadusha is not the fact that it's the wrong day but the fact that it's Laila at all and therefore the Shulchan should be the Kadish by night in so much then should become possible. Amurava Bishakada Basilic the mission is talking about where the coin went ahead and took the off the table before Friday so this way the Shulchan wouldn't make it possible. In a minute that's the table will say or the trivia timer of I feel the timer of he didn't take it off the Shulchan on Friday but came the Shulchan Basilic since he did on the wrong day all together the mission is as if a monkey did it meaning there's no mice at all and therefore Rashi and Yuma speaks out in this such a situation where it's meaningless when a would do it you could just go back and put it back on the Shulchan and therefore it will not become not become possible. Okay, is that the final mission? Stay in the end of mission night the Shulchan meaning the ones on will never have a matter that they're eating less than two days or and not more than three days from when they are baked break it down for us. If they're baked on Shulchan so they're eating on the day of which is the second day from when it was baked. If that's a falls out on a Sunday and therefore they're baked on Friday they'll be eating on the third day from when they're baked. They'll never be less than nine days from when you bake it they'll never be less than nine days from when you bake it they'll never be less than nine it won't be more than 11 days including of course the day that it got baked itself. Kate said break it down for us. If it's baked which is typically done on Shulchan and it's eaten on the following Shulchan which is the ninth day from when it was originally baked. Let's say let's say a Friday was a Shulchan you're going to bake it on Thursday and therefore now I got to bake my Shulchan on Wednesday so therefore I will be Shulchan Rashi points out that the Shulchan would be a Thursday Friday it comes out to the following >> Rashi points out that LaMesa, if Rosh Hashanah would be a Thursday, Friday, it comes out that the following Shabbos will be a Shabbos of Yom Kippur. So, you won't be eating on the 11th day, but LaMesa, even though it's technically the 12th day, since Kodesh is going to be Layla Acharei Ayam, so we're going to call it the 11th day. Rashi also in Zion points out that we're not dealing with Shnei Yom Tov Shel Galius, you know, the two-day Yom Tovim. We're only handling with Rosh Hashanah because at a time when they were bringing the Lechem HaPanim in the Beis HaMikdash, there was no such thing of Shnei Yom Tov Shel Galius. And now the Tzlach asks that what are you talking about? It's not even just Bizman of the Shnei HaLechem. They never had Shnei Yom Tov Shel Galius in Yerushalayim. The But the Sam Sefer writes that he actually spoke to the Tzlach, to the Noda BiYehudah himself about the fact that he was able to come up with an you would have Shnei Yom Tov Shel Galius even in Yerushalayim. And he writes that the Noda BiYehudah nodded his head to him, whatever that means. So, that's what's discussed over here. Finishing up the Mishna, Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel Shimon ben Agon, Doicheh is Yom Tov that the Afiah of the Shnei HaLechem and the Lechem HaPanim is Doicheh Issurim of Yom Tov over Ve'eino Doicheh Yom Tov, but it's not Doicheh Yom Kippur. So, if Yom Kippur falls on a Friday, they have to bake the Lechem HaPanim on Thursday. So, like the Gemara Omer Rabbeinu, LeDaber Omer NaDar and Korban BeYom Tov, right? Big Machlokes in Beis HaBechirah whether or not you bring NaDar and NaDovos on Yom Tov. LeChumra MiDeOraisa Machshavah Don't say that really Ikkar HaDin you can really bring NaDar and NaDovos for Rabbanan who DeGozlu Shla Yishah and Chazal who made an Issur DeRabbanan. Ela MiDeOraisa Nami LeChumra. Min HaTorah you don't bring NaDar and NaDovos on Yom Tov because the Locha. And what's the Raya? The Lechem HaPanim that is a Mitzvah on Shavuos. The Lechem HaPanim Shla Yishah we don't make a Din DeRabbanan that someone's going to delay bringing the Shnei HaLechem until Yom Tov. Diktanai, but still our Mishna says, Eina Doicheh bake the Shnei HaLechem on the Yom Tov is a Din DeOraisa and that's going to be the same idea by NaDar and NaDovos that's also going to be Issur DeOraisa. Hadran Locha Shnei HaLechem. Im Yirtzei Hashem, tomorrow we'll start the 12th Perek of Menachos.