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Today's DA is
and we are in the middle of the base the
two dots.
So the Mishna is discussing
mid of the of that were that were and
the very last line of the mission on the
top of Pest said that the Kev the sheep
that was brought together with the
carbon. So the carbon was known as the
but there was a ze that came along with
the
it was a and the
when it mentions how much was supposed
to be brought together with the
says it was
because ordinarily the amount of soilus
that was brought with a that came along
with an animal was one as it relates to
the
there was double says the
even though the was double
but was not. So what does that mean?
It says that the that came together with
the was to us rightly made learn from
here
that the sheer had to be double. It's
double the ordinary.
I would think that just like the amount
of is double so too the amount of wine
should be doubled as well.
And we had on the Mishna on the bottom
of Pas where the Mishna mentioned the
different
as it relates to how much wine was
brought with different animals and when
it's aval is it's supposed to be a re
and you see that this also has reve
but the wasn't
I would think that even though Ma, the
amount of soyus is doubled. The amount
of wine is not doubled. And the reason
that the wine doesn't get doubled
despite the fact that the ma gets
doubled is because there really isn't
such a relationship between the wine and
the wine doesn't get mixed together with
the
but maybe the oil should be doubled
because it becomes part and parcel with
the mean that the itself the is being
doubled. It's not one and it's two. So
maybe the y or the sheman that came
together with the min should be doubled
as well. Ordinarily the she that's
coming with a that's coming with a is a
maybe here it should be
and we learn from there
where do you see it in the word
and really thear's question is that from
vin we're learning two alas now we're
learning number one that uh yen is not
doubled and we're learning that the
shemen is not doubled how could you
learn both of those except Venisa
because it says really in the vines the
Korean of so this is a Korean except the
way you read the word is Veniska the way
you the word is written is thus we can
learn not one but two
so because you have a essentially you
have two and the bottom line is that
although the amount of was doubled for
the hab
But at the same time the amount of she
was not doubled and the amount of wine
was not doubled either
that brings that was brought
is it requires
because if you're going to tell me that
it doesn't require
it's going to end up being apostle. So
really in order to understand
you need two
number one is
it's the first
is not a it's not a thus an is not one
of the exceptions to the rule the is the
rule the is that if it was brought with
even though it's
so person bringing this carbon will have
to replace it. he'll have to bring
another carbon but at the same time it's
kasher meaning you resume the
thus if it was brought you don't say
stop finish you can't beim you can't eat
the baser no you could beim you could
eat the baser you continue doing the but
at the same time but at the same time
it's
number two is that an asham didn't have
with the exception of an
was an exception to the rule we'll see
in the next and the mits Ra although it
was an ordinarily an asham did not have
the rule is that only a carbon that's
has a not and as a result it was not but
the did have said if
was brought with it's
should you bring your witness or should
you not bring your witness on the one
hand it's an on the other hand it's not
really an because it's not fulfilling
the obligation that the has he's going
to have to bring another
said is bring the and he gave a reason
because if you're going to say don't
bring the then what is it what kind of
asham is this it's an or is it not an if
it's an then you need if it's not an you
shouldn't bring it at all the later is
going to clarify why this of is unique
to the and why you don't make this
argument every time a carbon's being
brought
But at first asks a few questions
that came together with carbon
you should bring a with it and should be
fool even though ordinarily the comes
with a has x amount of soy but we know
it's doubled when it comes to the
and even if it's being brought the
should be the same
because if not what is it is it the then
double
If it's not the why you bringing it
additionally
if
you should have a that you have to bring
the
which was brought together with every
because if you're not going to bring
then what is it
that was it also had two but instead of
it being brought by one was brought by
and again the same logic.
So why is pointing out this regarding
the mask of
has a as relates to the is what happens
if it was brought it's cautious you're
going to bring the carbon do you bring
the do you not bring the say you bring
the because if not what are you bringing
so
asked that was only saying this
regarding
the principle of this would relate to
many that are being brought and the says
you're right
was just giving an example but takeon's
principle cut it paste it apply it
anytime you think it might be necessary
so
will still have to have
and
will have to be etc etc you're going to
have to work out each one based on its
but
He said,
and he said it for a reason. And the
reason is because all the other that the
asks from the
they're all and as a result
even if they're not to be brought as an
because it was brought and it's
so for example
is going to have to bring another
is going to have to bring another back.
Same is true for the
but at the same time this right now even
though it's not the because we're going
to have to bring another one. It's not
the it's not the but it's still an
because
so there's nothing wrong with bringing
it as a carbon despite the fact that
it's not satisfying.
But over here as it relates to the
say
there is no such thing as an either it's
the or what is it? That's what
even though it's but being that there's
no such thing as an so this is that we
could have had in the first parak. So
even though it's
but at the end of the day it being
brought and there's no such thing as an
asha. So how do you bring an
as what? As an adva that's 101
is never brought the ter is you're going
to bring it together with it's going to
be brought this is a major this as an
but at the same time it's not going to
satisfy the that had as it relates to
bring his own personal.
So that was brought incorrectly
either it was or the wasn't done in the
proper way
it goes on the
this is the punch line it needs
but at the same time it's you're going
to have to bring another
all the that we use in the mik and we're
talking specifically the first part of
the about The mid.
So the peric began with
said
they were not two but rather three. Two
of them were in.
And the third one was it says all the
use in the base of
they were heaping mid which means that
when you were going to fill up the mid
of the is the only way to get the is
what if you filled it all the way to the
top it had to be heaping but if it
wasn't going to be it wasn't going to be
heaping you weren't going to get the
full share. So the mida measured in is
but it only measured in is if it was
heaping. The mid measured but only if it
was he
with the exception
of the mid that was used for the
midesh
was inside the cle itself meaning the
cle was a little bit bigger. Thus the
inside of the kali accounted for the
fact that when you measure sometimes you
heap it and as a result the way you got
the full measurement of that mid was not
by making it but rather by making it
tomorrow we'll explain this a little bit
better as it relates to the
we had in the
kadesh. So the foam that piles up on top
on of the walls of the
said
itself was
the phone was
the itself was
therefore the
has nothing to do with that.
the
reason there's a difference between the
of the and the
is because liquid even the foam that
ends up on the top of the kali at one
point was inside the kali. So you're
pouring it and what was on the bottom
can go up to the top. It's a liquid. As
a result the same is going to have
kadusha as opposed to doesn't work that
way. So whatever's on top was never
really inside the ki and as a result
it's not going to have kadusha. So you
have really three in the Mishna theano
and they're all saying the same thing.
They're all saying that there's a
between the
as it relates to in terms of what the
behind it is. They seem to be giving
different reasons and that too the is
going to clarify. But the Mishna began
all the in the base
they were all which means that when you
measured it you had to make sure that it
was heaping on top otherwise you were
going to be missing in the share
with the exception of the
that was used for the
says the who's the town of the mission
mayor is the town of the mission mayor
who's raor in the first mission of the
per who said there were three mid there
There was an is there was an is and
there was a now if you remember the
asked the cash mayor why do you need two
mid that are in said one is
the other one is
the one that's was used for all the one
that's was used for the and by the way
the in the clarified was also used for
the and as a result it too was but it
comes out then according to there was a
mid
that was but how many one is
again we're discussing we only have
three to begin with according to the
we know one of the and
were which means you're left with one
that's the Mishna says
it's not true and if we're going
according to theon
according to the
so certainly can't be the
going according to the question is it's
only one
that is the Mishna says
what does it mean when it says we had
this earlier not mid but there were many
different purposes that that midas
of an isaring god served how Though
there were certain animals that needed
one is sorryari. There were animals that
needed two iso. There were animals that
needed three iso. And the mishna had
said that they didn't have a special
measuring cup for two and three. They
would use the one and they would double
it and they would triple it. So there
were many that were going to be used
with this one that was godish. That's
what the mish means.
all the that are being you done with the
one that was
either way.
So we said there's a difference between
as it relates to Beirut. So we've had
now a lot here in the latter den of and
basically means the foam or whatever is
left on top of the mida. It's foam and a
liquid. It's if it's a solid, it's just
a little bit of soil that's on top. It's
not within the walls, within the
confines of the gali. Does it have
kadusha? Does it not have kadusha? So
the says everybody's of the same
opinion. The tanakama
and that there's a difference between
tanakama saides
agreed. But he added as far he says you
want to know why theesh
because the kal that was used to measure
had kadusha the kum that were used to
measure had no kadusha that's a big
holds that the
midh wasn't a it was a it didn't have
kadusha and being that it didn't have
kadusha there is aina that plays itself
out as it relates to bey
and finally Clearly said, "No, there's a
whole different reason. There's no
question that both had kadusha." The
reason is the difference between of and
of the of were once inside the
were never inside the explains. What's
this three-way is
holds
that there's a difference between the
in terms of their
inside of the kali has kadusha and the
outside of the kali or the rim the top
of the kali has kadusha. So beam even
though they're not inside the kali but
they're on top of the kali they're
touching the part of the kali thus it
has kadusha
inside it has kadusha but on the outside
it doesn't have kadusha that's why the
of the
have kadusha theim of the do not have
kadusha why very simple because is not
they're not inside the k they're on the
top of the k does the top of the ki have
kadusha there's a difference between the
ka agrees
had
that's why the of the
not only is it not the outside part that
didn't have
it had no at all
the third he says
did not have
why then
because moves. So what was once on the
bottom can end up on top and as a result
even the we assume it was the where's it
coming from it's coming from the bottom
of the that's why it has
but the is
it sounds like from that the only reason
that the
does not have
that is is because it was never on the
bottom was on the bottom it was and as a
result it does have kadusha who cares
appears that it was on the bottom and
now it's on top
when the was putting the into the he
never had in mind to be mad more than
what was needed and if what was needed
is what's ever inside the walls of the
kali it's only that that he has in mind
should have kadusha so what do we say
really the beay are not needed but they
ended up on top because they were once
on the bottom and As a result, they now
have kadushaur to the extent that the
same doesn't have intrinsic kadusha.
There's no reason really for it to have
kadusha other than the fact that it was
on the bottom. But even when it was on
the bottom, the k never had in mind to
bead cuz he didn't necessar he needed
whatever he was going to need. So why
then does it have to do the didn't have
to be
and this is an idea that comes up a lot
in so this be another
you don't need to bead but when you put
something
needs because the reason over here that
we treat it with is not It's so to
speak.
This that was on the bottom and now it's
on top. It's not a real. It's just a
more as it relates to the optics. What
people are going to think they're going
to look and they're going to say, well,
this was on the bottom and now it's on
top. And we're dismissing it as if it
has no kadusha. Doesn't look good. It
looks like we're being
it's for that reason said that
understanding of it that once it's on
the bottom it looks like it was really
in a at this point you can't be
you have to treat it as it has
never went to the bottom therefore I'm
not worried about it but you're right in
theory even the
doesn't have kadusha and the fact that
it was on the bottom once doesn't
concern me because the d is only to be
mad what he's going to which means
whatever is going to end up within the
walls of the clay. The fact that you
were once inside the means you were
inside the of but you need in order for
the kadusha to go into effect and we
assume that is only whatever he's going
to eat at the end of the day. So again
why does it have it was once on the
bottom so that even though now it's on
top it still has only on him
digressed a little bit. He said that
we're worried we're going to make we're
going to take something that really has
kaduca and we're going to say you can't
treat it with you have to assume that it
it's it's an issue based on what people
are going to think the optics I'll ask
you see there
so we know the changing of the guard of
the changing of the guardon all happened
on shabas what happens if the
was not changed on shabas but it was
shabas it happened on Sunday
is and then the following is the
were brought
upon him you can't eat upon him the
reason is because has to be on the for a
week it has to be there for seven days
so being that the was put on the on
Sunday and the were burned on the on it
was there for six days not for seven
days it's actually looked at as
like an animal could be too young to
bring as a carbon.
Now what what are you supposed to do?
Leave the breads on the for the
following. It's not a problem.
Why is this okay now? I understand on a
level it's okay. But
doesn't it look like
we're leaving it on the for a very long
time and people are going to think you
can leave in a for a very long time and
we know you can't leave Kachum in for a
very long time because you run into
what's known as so that doesn't work. So
doesn't it look like you're running into
a issue? Now the truth is no on the but
not everyone's going to know that not
everybody's going to know that.
Shouldn't we be concerned? If we're
worried,
why aren't we concerned?
So the Gmorra says there's a fundamental
difference between these two.
One took place in the Azor. The other
one took place in the was in the so
whatever happened in the
happened in the people didn't have
access to what was going on in the
people came to the so
says
everybody knows what's going on only
reason we're not worried about the so
the it's fine we can make eye doesn't it
look bad yeah but to who nobody sees so
look bad is a problem when people are
looking but there's nobody that knows
what's going on and as a Oh, so who are
we worried about? But in theory, you
have to be much more careful when people
are looking then you have to be
sensitive and it's over there that it
was in the
again. Now we go
if there was leftover.
So there was
and the Gizbar is not sure what to do
with the what you do is you use it.
You sell it, you take the money, you buy
the purpose of those, if there was ever
a time that there were no carbonas being
brought on the you would take those and
you would be m of it. It's based on a
premise that the is never supposed to be
idle. There's always supposed to be
action on the what happens if there's no
carbon being brought right now. So there
was special carbonas that were
designated. They were known as
and their purpose was to make sure that
there's always something going on. How
did you fund those carbon? Where did the
money come from? So there were different
sources of those funds. One of them was
and this is
what exact
means. So if somebody brought so for
example or she or wine to the misb to
the bas so he would fill up his
container and he would bring it is he
would have to overflow it would always
have to be heaping there were always be
roots there was a little bit extra what
was done with those he would skim it the
gizad put into a special area sell it
that's the is referring to whose
proceeds went
mean something
may if somebody is a seller of and he
has an arrangement is a good account he
provides the to the mikdash. So as much
as it's a good account but at the same
time he had to read the fine print
because as we're going to see in a
minute
and it was very possible he could end up
losing out financially anyways from the
arrangement that was inherent to every
single hectish contract. So the hectish
contract read something like this that
if he advanced money they gave money to
this person they gave him a seller and
based on whatever the going rate at the
time for was he was going to be giving
of
and then the price of soil went up. So
right now for a salah you're not getting
four son but you're only getting three
son. Now he received the money in
advance. What does he have to do? He has
to give what was originally agreed upon.
He's going to have to give four. Even
though right now based on the going
rate, you'd only have to give three. It
doesn't matter. You agree to a contract.
At the time the price was four for a
seller, that's what you're going to have
to get. What happens if it was the
reverse? What happens if the price went
down?
That's already because what do you mean?
We agreed at a certain time. Now,
because the price went down, I have to
provide you more. You gave me a seller.
At the time, it was three for the
seller. Now, it's four for the seller.
Why should I have to give you four?
Yeah, that's and the reason is
because that's the way it works. You do
business with heftish, you have to
oblige to that. But what that means is
that there were times in the latter case
that he was going to end up getting more
than they paid for. They paid for three.
That was the original arrangement. Three
son for the now they're getting a
fourthman with the extra that's
in we have two.
The mission says was sold and it was
used the kites on his back. We weren't
sure what that means. Either it means
the Beiruten, the theme of the DA or
it's referring to a case where somebody
had an arrangement with
he ended up providing more than what was
paid for him. Says the a price that
supports each of the respective
opinions.
What did they do with
if there was another carbon to be
brought?
If they ended up being left at
overnight, they become possible. And if
there's nothing specific right now to
use the for sell it
what exactly was this
like everybody
took upon himself that he's going to
provide
and the arrangement was for the
And now they went up. So it's three for
the seller. He still has to give four.
That was the original deal.
What if he agreed three and now it went
down in price? He has to give four.
The price concludes like
this is the definition of
whether it's a carbon.
They required
to come along with the
it's a long list of exceptions. So all
right no not all
we'll see more in the
like we had earlier in the that even
though
the is
but at the same time the mitz had and
the mitz hadim as well. So the para of
is in paras
and the says as follows and it is a very
long andar is going to dash in this pos
now you have it on the side
exhale. So it's a very long p clearly
talking about carbon and the context
over there is there's a to bring the
wine together with the carbon that are
being brought what carbon exactly so in
this lies the answer to that question
how
from the words
the introductory words of this it sounds
like every single carbon
Even a has wine.
It says, "No, not a
fact that it says, you would think maybe
only." How do you know
is being
How do you know? Now, it's a type of,
but it has unique. It has breads. It's
only eaten for a day and a night. So
maybe it's not included in how do you
know
the word is
maybe just everything
the uses the words and it teaches me
only a carbon that can be brought as a
needs so that even if it's not being
brought it still needs but it's only a
carbon that has the ability to be
brought Any could be brought in could be
brought in. Now sometimes you have a to
bring sometimes you have to bring but
the point is it can be brought only such
a carbon has as opposed to a carbon that
cannot be brought
it's only brought such as
they don't have the
continues
should I therefore say that any carbon
that's brought
because of should also be excluded.
So that even though we said we're being
maybe the only time should be included
is when they're actually being brought.
But let's say you're bringing an because
you're obligated to bring an let's say
you're bringing because you're obligated
to bring a such as you bring and even
though the
but being that right now it's being
brought as maybe they should be excluded
meaning you tell me you're excluding the
because they're being
they're not maybe even when they're
should be excluded. Now what's the
answer? The answer is no. It's
different. the the
can never be brought as opposed to the
can be brought. Thus, even when they're
not brought, they still have a but says
I need a for that to add that layer of
the that nuance that shouldn't you need
a source for that? Yeah. And we have one
obvious once I have a that says any
should be included into the
and maybe even the that was born the the
goats that are featured very prominently
in the beginning of
maybe they too although they were being
that they were brought on
maybe they should be included as well
into that
It says
and we learn from there
can be brought
it can be brought as a for example can
be brought as an
so too anything that can be brought
has a
it's
but a goat can never be brought no such
thing as being a goat. As a result, it's
considered
that was brought every single is not
included from the words
it says.
What do we learn from there? says
I would think that even is included
says that's why the said
that's the last line of the Pass.
What is that teaching me? We seem to
have worked it all out. No, we didn't
work it all out. We know that has maybe
also has
clearly it excludes.
So very often when you have you're going
to have
to
say right in the beginning it says
is not actually says because the word
comes from the
that's what means it's doesn't have it
has so by definition means a it means
not an so I don't
to be
if so
why then did the Torah say the words
so says then teach me a completely
different says
and this is right in the beginning of
the
So if somebody decides that he wants to
bring a carbon, how do you bring
that's the way you bring it? Says
I would have thought
maybe you should have to bring both.
read the
doesn't say it says what are you
supposed to do so maybe it should have
to be
so this tucked away
is coming to be it's the commentary to a
right in the beginning say
B is a little bit misleading because it
sounds like if someone's you have to
bring bucker and signs two animals
after the story of the
it says
and the talking about
and it says
it's coming to that the way you read a
paral
is explaining a parag but regardless
That's what says you want to know why it
says it's not to teach me that
the word took care of that for me. It's
to teach me something else maybe.
But they want to ask a nice in light of
another
is
why does
two explain the
when the says
it doesn't mean you have to read both
means one or the other isn't the one who
said
that in general if the mentions two
things it doesn't mean both unless it
says
The context of was regarding someone
that's
so the says if someone's
the question is
or is it
says that had the said then it would
mean that it doesn't say it means
argues says no means both
who holds then unless it says the word
it always means one. So why do I need a
to tell me that when it says
it means one? It doesn't say and if it
doesn't say then by definition it should
mean what
I would have thought
it says
is a little bit of a connotation similar
to thus you need a to clarify and tell
me that that's not the
flips
argues within as it relates
He holds that even if it doesn't say it
if it said if that's the case the inf is
a misleading when it says it's
misleading doesn't clarified it inv
that's
to tell me that doesn't need if that's
the case
he says you don't need because it says
meaning says that if you go through the
beginning of even though right in the
beginning the says
so so far it sounded like it could be
misleading but really if you continue
the it's not so misleading because then
the says
you do it this way you do it that way
what's misleading about it you're right
the first p sounds a little tricky but
go little you'll see that it it's not so
misleading bleeding. So,
okay, good point. So, why does why is it
misleading world? Why do you need this?
Well, is
true. The Torah clearly later talks
about
maybe that's when he specifically said
what if he didn't specifically say what
if he said
maybe there the misleading is real and
maybe over there you would have to do
both.
another P that you don't have to do. So
before we end speak out some raid
part two of the
of so the other day we spoke a little
bit about what was the context we're
discussing the mid one of the mid was
the ra means re there's also something
called the rein but ra always means a re
and we mentioned that the re is
important in the sug of kachin but
really it's something
And it's something that's very much for
example if somebody drinks a he has to
make a if you drink less than you don't
have to make a kdish Friday night
all
require a if it's less than a ra you're
not y additionally when you make kdes
although you don't have to finish
everything in the cup but you do have to
drink a lug which usually in most cases
is a
So it's very important to know exactly
what a ra is. So how much is a re? Let
me mention a ra is alo is made up of six
which means ra is a quarter of six which
means a beta and a half. We assume a a
beta bony come up with some sort of
median number that's a number that's
consistent across the board. If you use
modernday metrics, you're going to end
up with a beta being 1.87 ounces based
on the displacement method. One and a
half times that is approximately 2.8.
Thus, it should come out based on the
one and a half should be approximately
2.8 eight stating that stating that it's
in his
and he said it's not so and really based
on
the gives another way to determine the
shear of and the does it based on using
your which in that means the width of
the joint of your thumb you take the of
your and based on that there's a way to
figure out the sh and the comes out that
it's two by 2x 2.7.
That's the essentially what the number
is. It's 10.8 cubic. But there's another
way to do it. And the Garra says that
based on that formula, you can apply it
to a mikvah and you can figure out what
the sh of a mikvah is. So a mikvah has
to be 40 saw. 40 saw can be figured out
using bates because 144 bates to the s.
So one way to figure out the size of a
mikvah is using this displacement. It's
a tedious process, but it' be 40 * 144.
That's one way to do it. Another way to
do what the Gumar says is using it is
talking there's another way to figure it
out based on that the paragraph of says
is that when told us that the kala is
bates based on the gamatria of the word
you applying the principles of the
which is that bates and b and can
somehow interchange there's a there's a
ratio there's a formula of how they
correlate so you can figure out the
based on it as B. So the point is is
that there's another way to figure out
there's another way to figure out the re
and that is not using bates but rather
using it. Huda says that when he came to
Prague he was working on determining
exactly how much dough was needed in
order to be and he says he used both
methods of he used 43.2 two of the word
and then he used the
bas
and he came out with two numbers in fact
the number that he got using his was
double the number that he got or the
amount that he got using the B and said
what's going on these are two roads that
are supposed to lead to the same place
so how's it possible that one sheer one
amount was double what the other one was
and concluded one of two things must
have happened either it got bigger or
eggs got smaller And he says it's your
dua.
Nobody's getting bigger. And as a
result, it must be that the eggs got
smaller. And said if that's the case, we
have a problem because so many of the
shur based on eggs and people will sit
down. They'll be mash the eggs old
school instead of just having a chart
and they're going to have to they're
going to have a problem because the
shurim are going to be off. So for
example, he said raas is one and a half
bim. It's not one and a half bim. It has
to be doubled because it was one and a
half based on the amb.
But today's B are half the size. So it's
going to be one and a half times two.
It's going to be three B. The is 43.2 B.
No, it's not. It's going to be 86.4.
And then the most said
that a is a half of it's not a half of
it's double that. Theas is actually
going to be the and the wrote this in
his and he wrote it as
that we have very big problem and we
need to quickly inform the world
that we have our
completely wrong stating that there are
many on the
says that the as it relates to the reve
that's the context
is that says one and a half. That's the
state that
etc etc says.
So it says that as it relates to Friday
night which is there's nothing to talk
about. You're supposed to be for the big
he says the same is going to be true for
which two is today in other words says
the real is not like but
and therefore
it's pretty soft
when it comes to so for example Friday
night and as it relates to stating that
is printed in
And the held that the
wasn't just it wasn't just a and it's
not just
he felt that it's 100%
he was very much and he argues with the
so whereas the hel that it's
and the bru himself and the and the say
that when it comes to for sure you're
supposed to be m but when it comes to
the raon you could be
that without a question. It's something
that you're supposed to do. So last time
we spoke about this, we mentioned an
anecdote
of
an exchange between fleckless the
Yehuda's and the and the Yehuda where
fleckless thought that the Yehuda was he
thought he was because he accepted what
he had told him and that is that the
Yehuda was larger than the average man.
He was
that's what he referred to him as. and
he felt that his experiment was flawed.
But the bottom line is the didn't accept
that and and most did not accept what
fleckless held which was a total game
changer and that is that even
but regardless this is the basic
background for this. So just a little
bit of part two and that is I thought it
was to go through what as it relates to
this. So the was somewhat of a
contemporary of the and he tumled about
this as well. So what was the opinion of
theamifer as it relates to so it's
interesting wrote two chuvas as relates
to it and the two chuvas contradict each
other the first chuva that we're going
to speak out is
so it's
and the asked the a beautiful question
he said that if you do that that the are
all 50 cents on the dollar today so
anytime you find any share that's
related to a beta you have to double the
[ __ ] so he asked him a question that
discusses the shear of an how big or how
small can an be says
if it's small it's possible meaning the
minimum shear of an aster is that it has
to be a bay so the asked if that's the
case if the bates of today are half of
what they really were so to come out
that the shear of an aster is double
what kazal told It's not a bay. It's the
size of two b and the told it's very
hard to find an answer that big. It's
very hard to find an aster that's going
to be the size of two eggs. But he said
if they said the reve is not one and a
half b, it's three. And the is not a
half a ba, it's a full beta. And the is
not 43.2, it's 86.4. Then the she of an
aster is not one bet, it's two beta.
It's the same formula, right? So if
that's the case, he told I'm not sure
how we can even IT'S VERY HARD TO FIND
SUCH an asteric. we're going to have
graces. That was the question that he
asked. So told him a beautiful love.
This he said that there's a fundamental
difference between all that are related
to and the sheer that has to be said of
the says in many places and in other
places in all. So we know that the were
really
he said this is how much you have to
eat.
This is how much wine you have to have
Friday night when you make when told us
43.2
This was all a march so to speak. It was
just a way to describe to the
exactly what the she meant in practical
terms. But the was an absolute amount.
That's like the says the of the
is not the sim to use a yeshiva term.
It's it's not the sa it's the simmon.
The shir is not the bay. The shir is
whatever the sh is. People
how do I understand what the sh is? Oh,
it's like it's like a kaz, but the kaz
was just the description of an otherwise
absolute share. That's true. Says
the share of the aster is different.
Says why? Because the says what's the
basis? How do we get from an aster to a
reason is because the refers to an aster
as a pre? It has to be a pre and
what kind of pre a small pre an aster a
small bait. that's considered already a
pre. So if it's going to be the size of
a small egg, then we can look at it as a
pre. If it's not going to be the size of
a small egg, then it's not going to be a
pre. The criteria for the is not some
absolute esoteric sh that was given from
etric.
If it's not a peri, it's not going to be
an asteric. SO SAYS THE WHAT DO I hear
that the went up and down? It's
irrelevant. WHAT'S RELEVANT IS RIGHT NOW
THIS aster that I'm taking is it a pey?
Look at an egg. If it's the size of an
egg, it's a perry. If it's not the size
of an egg, it's not going to be a perry.
If it's the size of a egg, but it's not
the size of an amigga egg, who cares?
We're handling today. We're not handling
what once was. So says the if the she is
an absolute number has nothing to do
with the egg. Has nothing to do with the
has nothing to do with the has nothing
to do with 43 eggs. It's a number. Just
told us the way for us to determine that
share is by using eggs. Well, now the
size of the egg change. So I have to
readress how I'm going to figure that
out. That's because there's an absolute
share. There's no absolute share of an
aster
just has to be a double has to be a
perry says pre. We always emphasize
here. The emphasis is on perry. It has
to be a it has to be a perry meaning
like a small egg. Now it's already
considered a perry. As long as it's like
a small egg today, it's a perry. You
can't tell me it's not a pey. I based on
a mulus standard, who cares what we're
discussing today. We're not discussing
what once was. That's the lumbness of
the but then the ratchets it up and he
says, I'm going to take this lumbus one
step further. You know something I'm not
sure I agree with the whole premise of
the night of Yehuda. The night of Yehuda
understood that when the were given
there was no shir of aas but there was a
sh the sim of the way to know the sh was
measure the kazayas. So what happens if
the kazum change then the weight to
figure out the shar is going to change
as well. So if the bum are half the size
everything's half the size. So you have
to double whatever the mar was says like
does that is it so posh that's the case
maybe not maybe
was maybe that is the and if the zas
changes so then the changes so maybe the
amount of matzah that the dahbar ate is
different than the amount of matzah that
we have to eat you know why cuz the shir
is a kaz AND WHATEVER THE KAZAYAS is
that's what you're going to have to eat
and says it makes sense because it's
reasonable that the kazayas is relative
to its surroundings to the person that's
eating it to the size of the person. So
Kazay is considered. So if once upon a
time Kazay was a relative to that world
it's you're talking is still the
relative to this world and says a
beautiful punchline. He says that the
truth is kazal say that when the yuden
entered so the payun right the mira came
back with a report
did not look like the gaz that we have
these were monsters sized fruit he
quotes two garas one gar that he quotes
there says it says in parishes one of
the is
and gives two of what it means brings in
the beginning
What does it mean?
It's going to rain on Tuesday night and
it's going to rain on Friday night.
It always rained on Tuesday nights and
Friday nights.
And when it rains on those nights is a
special that's
and you know what happened then? The
kernels of wheat became as large as
kidneys.
The barley were they were the size of
olives. The adash the lentils were the
size as
says what happened
certainly existed when the enter
but the bottom line is says
the wasn't either though the way we
think of it as these were monstersiz.
So let me ask you a question says if you
didn't enter right now and they have to
be says you want to know what a kazayas
is a kaz you want to know what how much
you have to eat a kazayas they pick up a
kazayas it's the size of a watermelon so
what are you supposed to do one time and
you need three kazim or right how you
going to do how am I going to do this
it's going to be impossible
so you can tell me one of two things
either go now to your gentile neighbors
and ask them you know maybe they have
there's a supplier maybe from India
who's sending in olives and go find
that's what happened. He says not it's
that the original information of
was given for this d by the way the says
that even though there's an
something
so the parish
ARE
IN A PERFECT WORLD THAT'S
it's completely irrelevant. So it says
that if you're going to tell me that
today's B are not no gay as it relates
to determining and today's kaz is not no
as it relates to determining that means
the kazayas and the head had when they
entered was also not neg and he says I
find that very hard to believe
the was not an absolute shir and the
kazayas and the cab is just the way to
know the shir but rather the shir was
the kazayas it was the now dom change of
course they change do bumm change
everything changes is with time things
change things get says things get small
he says by the way things get bigger too
things change with time and being that
things change it must be
and if they gave us a shar the sh was
supposed to be an absolute share says
I vehemently disagree with the whole
premise
premise was it was an absolute share
we're just using the ba to back into
figuring out what the share was if the
size of the bum changed then we need
another method to back into the share
the method is no longer a useful method
besides the I don't think that's true. I
don't think there was an absolute sh I
think the sh was kaz the sh was which is
a if the bates changed and the sh is
going to change and you're right today
our sh is based on today a thousand
years ago maybe it was something else
2,000 years ago maybe it was something
else the are not
but rather they are so just to read the
punch line of he says
everything is based on the time
and if felt that at the end the day I
still want to be
but to go ahead and and tell other
people that it's going to be for them
and not just that to be of because the
is asking a good question maybe what can
come from it so there could be kas that
are going to come about from the now
parathetically it's worth saying that
the tr when he brings it
if he writes it that His rebu never
meant a lulu even only meant a lumbra.
So as much as himself had the
self-confidence in the sh but he
understood he was not saying a lulu he
was. So for example let's say somebody
really is making baking bread and he has
43.2 but he doesn't have the 86.4 for it
doesn't have to be a sh you shouldn't be
mafala never said that just said don't
be mafish with a another would be
another would be so you have a oner for
example you had to give it to eat so you
try to give it so you can eat a much
bigger share maybe never said that he
only meant he didn't mean it but the
bottom line is concludes he says
never you don't say unless you're 100%
sure and I don't believe this who this
theory is 100%
that was the previous
in that case I think even the is going
to be to what I said so again this is
just some excerpt of this the problem is
there's one other we won't go through
the other cha but there's one other
wrote another chuva as relates to and
this is in over there he starts with the
slacks experiment and he says refrain
margles also made the experiment and
then he says he himself also made the
experiment and he feels bad he says
don't think that I don't trust the huda
and the zyra molas he apologetically
says why he did it as well but the
bottom line is is he says he did the
experiment and he found what the found
look what he writes
so
like
You have to be
only he said only
if it's 86 and a half then you do
what
not
and this is where the says a major that
requires a whole that
is my you know somehow set to
distinguish between the
re and the so although it's true with
regards to you have to double the sh
like but as it relates to the kaz you
don't have to double the sh but the
problem is we have a steer in the
infu
with lumbus and that we spoke out it's
to see it inside we spoke out
so in this beautiful chuva the
goes and he says I disagree with the
whole premise from a Lond perspective
and then he says
so so which one is it so really the way
to figure it out I mean there's one way
to do it you have to know when the two
chas were written chronologically so
was written the last line of the gave us
the date that he wrote the truv it was
written y
so it was written in 1821 one
on a Thursday. When was
written? So it was written also on a
Thursday.
So they were both written in the same
year. They were both written in 1821.
One was written.
The other one was written.
But the bottom line is is the one that
was written in was written first. That
means
where the vehemently dis opposes
was the first cha that he wrote
where he comes out like was the second
cha that he wrote. So just based on the
chronology it would seem that at the end
of the day held he came around maybe
that's when he made this experiment. He
came around to he was masked.