Menachos 83

Today's DA is giml and we are about 10 lines from the bottom of so the topic of the last two has been a permeates and that is the application was we're learning if somebody says the carbon now becomes Because this person has an obligation to bring a carbon and if he's a carbon has happened something happens to that animal he's would have an obligation to replace that animal. The point is he now has an obligation on the level to bring the carbon. As a result, he has and he wants to use that money to purchase the animal or to purchase the is it would not be okay. The pay discussed the said it's learned out from a discusses the carbon. So the parra that discusses the carbon pes is of course but there are other tucked away that discuss the carbon one of them is where the says so thou shalt the carbon and the Mishna asks the obvious question the carbon was brought it's very clear that the had to be every child in yeshiva knows that. How could the save says the it must be that when the says bakar it's not referring back to the carbon pak but rather it's referring to other carbonos that are bakar I the discussing the carbon p clearly what the wants to do is equate be makish the carbon pes to carbono that are what's the heck is just like the carbon pes was the and the elaborated says how do you know the carbon is only meaning we're making two premises regarding the carbon one it's two it's the fact that a carbon we know every had an obligation to bring the carbon pes the ber of the carbon pes on pes but the fact that It's there's no in the says that. So the gar said in a rather long where says that although it's true there's no that had a that it had to be brought but the very first carbon p that the yidden brought when they were in and the second carbon p that the yidden brought the pidbar they were but only and the reason is cuz there was nothing other than to bring you're going to fulfill to bring the carbon p with me for example there was no messen there was no sheni in the year then we're in the midbar and although ordinarily the is done in depending on how you learn the garra on the bottom of either argues with that or for some reason there's an exception to the rule here but the bottom line is is that what emerged was the says that the is learned from it means it's being learned from the original carbon which is another thing that emerged was that so although but every now and again there's a Mishna in that's the rebel and this Mishna right here is Aliba the rebel the other tan such as who was mentioned in the bride argu and how you can't learn anything from mit because If that's the case, what we're left with is in the how it does he know the in other words is the time of the Mishna that learns it from carbon. But if you hold that you can't learn it from then what we need to do is find another and that's where the picks up. How do you know that the carbon says yes he learned it from the following the says so this is a that's in par that's mentioned many times sometimes as well and we learn many from this PK because essentially what this PK is doing is putting all carbon together. Thus you see that there's some heckish between the carbon says the that from the fact that the mentions the in one breath it's coming to tell me that we could learn of and from and vice versa all of the mentioned in this teach us something regarding other how so so this is all rebel are talking from the we learn to just the carbon required afon So to all carbon require a kali. We'll see later in the raid portion of the daf whether kali means just a kali or whether kali means ais regardless. What do we mean when we say that an needs a k or doesn't mean that you need a kali to do the do I need only the to me that carbon need. True that there's a pik by the carbonyl that teaches me that the carbon required a kali or a cliches but there are there's another carbon where the tyra says you need a clicharis as well and that is the shade as the pik says meaning it's interesting that there's actually no in the other than one as we'll see now that says anything about the kabala requiring a one p that does say it is talked the way it's in parish and it's discussing carbonos that were the carbonos that the yen brought before mountain the says that before mountain took them he put them into agon which is a misro so we'll see more about those later but that's the one that talks about there being an idea of kabalo in now what dam did moshraenu take so you have to look up earlier It was two types of it was so is saying that the said together with the other carbonus because I need to learn the misra by I don't need to learn it necessarily from because the same that says says by and also mentioned in this so once it says and I know that the had agono. So why do I need to teach me a says what it means is that the had to be done with or is it required that's also something that's not in the it says it one time and it says it by what does it say had he had a knife and he was going to use it. What does it have to do with so we learn from the needs it only says it by the puts together with to teach me that there's a heish it's not only true for it's true for say as well so that's what that teaches me what does teach me eaten only but only maleim as the says many times. So to all that are similar to have a that only it says which other being that just like which is only so too these types of are also only now is not only so clearly what we're being is other types of what otherash so off the bat we know there's four other possibilities There's a there's an asham, there's an there's a [ __ ] right? There's five types of kadash. You have the and those were all kadash. The is the we're going to be goes completely on. So really the choices we have and say do I need this to teach me that for that I don't need for that learns it out from one of the that talk about the over says Even though the is not talking about but it's an extra that teaches me again I need to teach me other is not and even which is not in the I know it from a somewhere else. So the Gmorra says you have to say that who's the town of this price. doesn't agree with that last price that was just mentioned learned it from the word in this and the of that other learned it from the but the bottom line is held that the reason the is to teach me about other that it's only what's the other the only one I needed to teach me is the says what's that coming to teach me has a unique And it doesn't only apply to but it applies to other as well. So this is that was discussed in detail in per is that if a little bit of a becomes as in as in as in 101. So a little bit of a carbon is let's say in a carbon is it's anywhere within the but now that it has a little bit of a carbon in it now you have to treat it now you have to treat it like the Torah says that by the he teaches me that it's not only true of the but it's true for says well what does asham teach me a villia just like the asham it's visil it's fetus and amniotic sack don't have you know why cuz it's a is a male and as a result it doesn't have a sob that do have a it won't have either and really this is predicated on two things number one although we know there's something called we had it earlier in the week if gives birth to a baby so it has a but there's no but the is is that the kadusha is when the baby is born but not while it's still in the state of the and clearly another premise of this is done in one of the topics of yesterday's d because if a how could you learn from a who doesn't have kadusha that other is doesn't have kadusha and vish doesn't have kadusha because it's it's but in a that's done in the regardless that's what you learn from it says in the special that were brought during the and was that any leftover meat on any given day the says had to be burnt like however if there were any leftover animals live animals you didn't have to burn the live animals you burnt the leftover baser so you an animal that was bas that wasn't eaten so during the malum every single day. You had to start all over again. You had to burn that meat. But if there were leftover animals, you know, you didn't burn the animals. So to same rule, leftover meat has a if you have lever animals, there is no what do you learn from? That's a very big deal. There's a lot of that we learn in the of pigle from the fact that the only time the terra mentions the of pigle is by the of pigle is mentioned twice in the paras from all places both times regarding the carbon and we learn from there many but regardless how do you know it relates to other in the first place maybe it's only true for the garbage it's this to other So there was a where also these and he too said that the reason the put all these carbon to tell together is to create a hish because there's a that's unique by each one of these carbon that I wouldn't know that I only know because the put them all together because of this hisha had the of the brace a little bit differently some tweaks but what did we learn from what he has to learn from just like it's only so to all which meant which is also is only said no I don't need it to teach me presumably because he held like the price that that brought on the top of the oven that I know from the parish what then do I learn from that has The same al that we saw earlier by the katas. The terra says that if the kas is inside for example the schlan now gets the status of the which is the terra says the same as that and whereas used the word in the to teach me that it's not only true used the word to teach me that it's not only true it's true as well. Okay. So he has in know have this den of from knows from but says parathetically why do I need to in the at the end of the day according to learn from according to learn from but why do I need a by and by to teach me the same says I'll tell you is soft and as a result you would think it's more susceptible which is a hard piece of meat. You would think maybe the reverse being that it's meat and it's fatty is which is not fatty. So it's really based on the physical properties of the versus the had I only know I may have not kn I only know I may have not known from and that you always have the but the bottom line is how do I know is so I have I have and each one is important in its own way but at the end of the day how do I know what is according to it's from the word in that is according to it's from the word in So this is still talking used to teach mezza learned that from what does learn from is only number one. Number two has to be brought during the day. Number three with your right hand. So to all carbon three things says how do you know that is only a says and this is referring to the power that the used to bring. It was his own personal power in a teacher. It has to be 100% his. It can't be my ser that's something I know by the teaches me that it's true says well said I know three things from I know that it's I know it has to be brought during the day and I know why do I need to learn need to be brought during the day from the carbon everybody knows this had to be done during the day with very very very few exceptions. So if almost all carbonis had to be done during the day and it's from a general pk why do I need to learn sh carbon from the carbas says you're right we just mentioned it but you're right it's not the real mar the real carbon is not learned out from it's really learned out from I need to learn from where it says the word it always means the right hand and it says the word kohuna for sure and but for sure the word kuna many many times by carbono that are not kat so why do I need to learn it from say you're right we're really not learning it from we just mentioned it so what are we learning from katas according to according to what we're learning from kas is just like how do you know that you learn it from the mother used to bring pepper so let's just What is really keep going from going to be to the but the bottom line is is we had over here between again in a very very very long it's a and a half ba where the mentioned is Clearly the is coming to bring and lump all the carbon together meaning to tell me that there's that the applies to the says that applies to that applies to get the point. So the these via this would apply to all these things and the was had to learn certain the one that we need is when the said and we learn from what's this that we're learning rebs you know we're learning from just like the carbon kas is a has a that if it becomes in a different carbon kum the kachen column gets the status of kadash so too carbon is going to have this same exact that it's says you know what you learn from just like so to so what you have here is number one another to the which is why we brought this price in the first place trying to find how do you know that if somebody says it's a you can't use my money how do you know that you have a mar let's learn that from The Torah says that the thus I have a but you see something else. What you see is who is the Tana that learned it from Katos? It was Rabaka. Who we trying to find the foraka? Raba was the one that says you couldn't learn it from the car. So it's not only did we find a fora we actually found a beak. You know what the answer is? is an a longer that mentions who learns from who is in this who is the one that said learned not from but from it was also rebar so the two braces are it's two sides of the same coin The price which is also a long price the price over there where you can learn from really complements this price that the brings on because that learns he doesn't need the word to teach me what does teach me that is so to walk around it was only couldn't learn it from he needs the word and this teach me before we go and we finish the peric just two short the first is the says each carbon mentioned teaches me that's unique to it and says that really it applies to all the carbonas that are mentioned in the pasta what does teach or a thought. What does it mean? What it means is we know that is had to be done with a had to be done with a cle had to be done with a cle that had kadusha. How do I know that? It doesn't say it anyways. It says and just like it's true for it's true for the said it's true. It says but it says as well. So and being that this Pik mentioned Schlam I wouldn't need to learn it from necessarily I'd be able to learn it from Schlam. So what's this Pikar brought but it's worth looking at this par for a moment in somewhat greater detail. So these tucked away in the end of parish and it's although the Tyra and Rashis and it's somewhat hashtag rest of the story. The context is the are at the foot of and they're going to become they're about to say there were three things that had to happen. There was there was and they had to bring in fact it's not so clear how somebody could even become a man because you could do you could do that's easy and but you can't bring a discussion but say there was there was a carbon that was brought what was this carbon again the context is that sitting at the foot of the sends they brought so and takes half the dismiss. He puts it into the other half of the damis. Then takes the safer and he reads it to reads a safer. This is before he reads a safer and listens and said the mortal words. So they heard the and the reaction was what was the safer start literally from until then he said over the so he said over the mitzvah that Yidden when it's so reaction to the safer was interesting. Either way takes the dam. So half the dam he was simple reading of the other half of the dam is so takes the other half and he did and he said this is the continues that's not that's not really what we need but the seems to say that took half the dam he put it on the other half of the he was again okay again why are we talking about this now because half the dam initially was it wasn't a seem to have been this is the that has to be it has to be in a now despite the fact that the inp has a different says says didn't take the dam and and spritz it on. So why would he do that? What it means is took the but not that it was literally on the okay stating that has a beautiful right here learns the that it's clear just from the simple reading not like that took the dam and he spritzed it on the on the what was the point says the dam the stain of the blood that ended up being on the bag of it was like jewelry. It was something beautiful and wore it as a badge of honor. This was the most beautiful expensive jewelry you could ever wear. It was a stain. It was blood. It was something you usually put in the laundry. But at the same time, the Yidden walked around. They were proud of it. Why? Because this was Adidas. It was a covered goggle to them that they were listen to this had to take off that clothing. They lost their beauty. They lost this jewelry. That's what means. What did they lose? I want to be my own literally literally and it ended up on their clothing and the clothing now had blood stains and they walked around with it. They were proud. It was a cover. It was it was literally jewelry. Why? Because so much so so much so that when the after that the lost this what did they lose? They had to take off that clothing. The were walking around from up until the with blood stained clothing. What was the blood? thought it was from the this is from. So although aesthetically to the innocent bystander it looked but at the same time really this was this was didn't get better than this. Why? because this was an aidless that they were what's the obvious to this and it's also where says that the would plug the the hole the drain that would take the blood out of the a because they wanted the blood to build up. There was so many that were being brought they wanted the blood to build up and why they did it said because they were worried that maybe somewhere along the way somebody's dam was nishbach and as a result they would take a little bit of dam from all the blood from the they would do one it's like this everybody's d everybody's cover made it onto but say that's not why they did it says you know why they did to be able to walk let them get dirty dirty what do you mean this This is big you have to get rid of because it's was an ide is there shortage of in that seem to suggest that when you're bringing a carbon you have to do it stating that it's that the dam that ended up on the big day kohuna Although technically it would seem was but being that it came with we always speak out from the sala used to wear his kl by the le and he wouldn't clean it afterwards and he would wear it again on yum kipper even though it had matzah stains and wine stains because he felt that it was a shak he's going to go into to yam kipper he wanted to have the malita that The choices of wine based on and the isipper is there's an Indian just like that you have to go with an Indian as well. So we speak out always from the that he says maybe this is always he says that it always bothered him was always to him. He says you know you buy you spend a lot of money on a very expensive and he says by by the third day sukus it already becomes an you have all the stains how you allow to use it what happened to that of so he says that's not is a natural stain but here the stain came about why because you're using it I mean that the stain came about because of the fact that you're using it I think this is another doesn't bring this I think this is another this says what was the what was You're walking around with blood stained clothing. How could that? Yeah. God. It's God. That's the first. The second is that the Gmorra said that when it says that we learn from we don't mean the misra. What we mean is the the fact that has to be done with a it has to be done with a how do you know that? Because it says now when we say that needs doesn't mean it needs a cle as opposed to something that's not a cle or it doesn't mean that it has to be a clich that it means that it has to be ais and the truth is it it's a little bit of a because we've spoken out many times places right in the beginning of par that it's not that has to be done with being that it could be doesn't have to be done with a big is that even though still had to be done with a this too had to be done with a so what it says what it means is he took a but there's a very very very big on and that is really based on a discuss ing the is of specifically differences in between a carbon that was brought on his and a carbon that was brought on. So the Mishna says there's no big bringing carbon on Obama. You don't need a bottom line is the mission gives a whole list of things that don't apply to Obama. One of these mission says don't apply to Obama is you don't need a what's the need to do says the didn't happen in the BT it happened so if you're telling me that Obama doesn't even have it in how is it possible that the whole of is learned out from which was What's the ter that we spoke about so many times when we learned but this is we won't go through the whole but says in the beginning of the talks about the he says and he says it was in the mto happened says that that's what built his Melik built his that's where brought his carbon that's what he brought carbon that's where took the where he created it's all happened in the m but made a very profound the talks about what took place in the mikdash one of the things says is but listen to the ra's that the ram held and that is that went with not with meaning it followed the guidelines of how you bring a carbon in the mikdash not how you bring a carbon on a it wasn't it was even though there was no mik but this was taking place literally in the mik said it to explain a maj says comes over to when he tells him says me I'm not a kay how could I do the told don't worry about it not only like you're a but I'll treat you as if you're a why do you have to be a so we always speak out says the reason is because really how is au going to be able to be how is he going to be able to take as soon as he was going to be is not allowed to do the however is not it's allowed to do the even when he's that was malan would be able to do the despite the fact that he just killed his son and he's allowed to do that but the is the said this was the Obama doesn't require doesn't require what does Obama require so what's a not this all makes sense but this is actually this is said But if it's true, it's true that Obama doesn't require it's also true that was aaris. In fact, it's the according to some that the ones that hold that is aaris. This is how you know that is a how you learning from Obama doesn't although it happened on Obama but it was it followed the of the thus means either way learned from the mission that said must be learned from somewhere else. The word etc. What then does do with that says how do you know that if you have a you bring it as a rash says what means the iner is that you were mafish an animal for a carbon pes then you lost the animal you were mafish a second one and then you found the animal again so you had a leftover carbon pac alternatively you were mafish money. You set aside $500 to bring buy and it only cost $200. And now you have you have money you have left over. But the point is you have something left over. What do you do with it? Is it gets how do you know that this obvious question? What does it mean? And that is a this by the way is verbatim in so in the first paric verbatim word for word what we're about to learn says the if you look in where the talks about the carbon it's very very wordy it's actually three paras in And really the three par are set up just based on the type of animal that you're bringing. So the was able to be brought another so it's very very wordy. So the nail is going to dish in some of these words. So said it says we're talking about 15. Why does it have to say again? It's coming to teach me that referring to the carbon which had it has to be sometimes it's again what do I need? Why can I learn from that? And the more continues. I even have a third. It says the word teaches me that is part of that needs to be burnt on. It's coming to be mar two different types of carbon is that they have the den of number one a this is a p that's more than a year old so you can't bring it anymore as a carbon p alternatively the came together with the we need as the first part that can't be a p that can't be brought as a anymore because it's too old it's broad we learn from there that has teaches me another that the Ali doesn't get burnt on his bottom line is do we seem to have over here we have to teach me that the if it's a is treated like a carbon that's brought which is the carbon I have another that says that can't be brought as a carbon anymore that it's brought and I It's all the same idea that sometimes becomes so trust for one's coming to teach me a p that's a garb now it's not pes anymore came and pes went and the animal's also too old it's not a year old any it's not within a year anymore the other ones to teach me where was where pass but it's the animal itself didn't get too old and the third is for where something happened but it wasn't and it wasn't for example I just happened to have an actual cover the first case well I was too because I had lost one and now I have an actual and I need a to teach me all three of these cases all three of these that can't be brought as a anymore that they get just said I would have filmed over there It's not this man passed the animals too old. So maybe over there was not anymore just ended. It's but it wasn't you would think maybe why why should it lose its status as a it could be used as a why should it suddenly become a second I had the second I would think of at the very least you can't use anymore I was too much theory was not still two weeks before it's an extra carbon pes lying around three to teach me that all three of these examples of a that can't be used as a carbon get treated as a carbon we're leaving some rate on the table this week and really we did almost every today and hopefully tomorrow go back we'll speak out some more ra regarding some of the gamaras that we learned this