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Today's DA is and we are at the Mishna about 12 lines from the bottom of today's being learned. So we're moving along in per dealing with of the which of course is as in we're in this of and specifically our Mishna is going to discuss a situation where somebody had a carbon that has to but at the same time it's not an what does that even mean? We'll see in the Mishna what happens if somebody has a carbon the was in a and it gave birth to a child or somebody had a carbon took a carbon that was and said I want this to be or somebody was mafish a carbon and the carbon got lost and now the person went and was mafish another carbon as a tida simply because he needs a tida and he lost the first one in that case too The is that the new carbon will not require. In other words, also what's the says we learn from here is the is the case where somebody was lost it And therefore was mafish another of course is the either way the Mishna gives us three situations where somebody has an animal it has to but it's not an what are the examples the wasa and it gave birth to a child that's certainly not the in fact is in the not even allowed to do it if you do it it's but it's not even something that you're allowed to do or if somebody was mafisha lost it and as a result was forced to now go ahead and be another what's the between these three they're all not what's the so they're going to be brought as a carbon because if they're not being brought then why are we even having a conversation about whether they require or not but at the same time whereas a regular required to this example or these examples of would not require what's the so the very cryptically said it's learned out from the that says and we learn from there as opposed to these three things now is going to begin with a bisa a which is a much longer version of the Mishna uh which is very detailed in terms of the of the Mishna and even more so as it relates to the Mishna. So if you walk away from the Mishna and not being so clear what exactly is the Makar that's really the objective of the Bryer the Bryce is going to tell us exactly what the Makar is. Now as it relates to uh introduction to the bryo the focus is going to be on the first part of a par talking about the carbon and it begins. So the Pik is talking about the carbon and specifically it's talking about the and it begins in a very wordy way. First of all it could have said the whole word would seem to be extra. And by the way if you want to get really nuanced the word is extra. And really even if for whatever reason you have aish of why we're mentioning the word it could have said the is extra extra. Additionally so there's a lot of uh what would seem to be superflous or extra words floating around in this p and that is really the backdrop to the avoid of this price. Why does the ping say to in other words that word is extra and by the way even had it not said the new of yakenu it would have just said even that would have been extra that's why when the bryer quotes the pik it says because we're going to make a big deal about the new later now we're focusing even had it said yak on the new it would have an extra. So what's the point in saying the word says the price I'll tell you why not. And how do you know if someone was then it got lost? So he had no choice. They had to be another one. And then he found the first one. And right now he has two to choose from. How do you know? How do you know that whichever one he wants to be? He can and it's going to come together with therefore it says and it's coming to be you could be any one of the two meaning you could have thought maybe you're forced into making a decision no is anyone you want to be m you could be m you would have thought you would have thought okay you could be m either one but at the same time you also could be m the second one and the second one should require like the first one does. That's why it says new is exclusionary. That's already a and we learn from there that it's one that's going to require but the other one not. So the essentially that we learned from Yakenu is number one you get to pick and choose which one you want to be macro first but it's only the one that you macro first that's going to require the second one implied is that you could be mac which by the way the bry is going to say but for now in this part of the brace we're taking for granted that you could be m however when you're m says the being in the word you have and you have how do you know that you could be m uh vlad or maybe the new is not just coming to say that those to don't have maybe the new is coming to say that you can't be makravid at all right just think about the setup of the beginning of the bria is that the other one doesn't have you're saying good say better maybe that the other one you can't bring at all it says alto and from the words of we learn that there's a mus of bringing an additional tid so somebody was mafida and now because of that you mafish there's already an alida there's uh an additional that somehow was from the original that even that you would bring you would have thought that they require. Now one second didn't we say new is that they don't require rashi says that new only tells me that the where you were one that other one is not going to require but the new doesn't have the ability to be and to tell me that the of the and the of the and the is that knew one and not the other means that if you were mafish essentially two carbonas for the same objection Ive the same obligation of so tells me that one of them is going to require the other one's not going to require but the of the was never the wasip in one case it was it had a child in the other case it happened with but at the end of the day those other are not here the being another of how you going to go ahead head and now you're going to be your obligation of so therefore new can't be new could tell me that one carbon for this objective requires but the is considered somewhat and as a result it can't be from so if that's the case how do you know that that's also not going to require it says it's from the of we learn from there the original requires which we're mentioning because really was learned out from the new that all these three things are not going to require. And by the way, going back to the Mishna, what did the Mishna say? What was the it says? We said that in the price. So we're going to see what the mar is. We just saw it. It's that last line of the it's from the we learn the that's what requires the as it relates however to anything that's not that already is not going to require any. So the bottom line is this was a long bra that has a lot of things going on a lot of that are being learned out from the let's just them over very quickly. Number one as it relates to so if someone was maf he's from and now he lost his animal so he was mafish another one and then he found the original so right now he has two in front of us from the word we learn the whole word is extra the he can be whichever one he wants and whichever one he is going to pick and choose will be the which means it's going come together with the as it relates to the second one that you'll be able to be mak as well and the reason you'll be able to be mak that as well I'm going in out of order because it says and from we learned that anything that's somehow it was from the that's included in the and by the way and also from so we know for sure that you can bring it as a carbon stating that the new of me that if two animals for the so then only one of them is going to require the other one is not going to require how do I know that the and that how do you know that they don't require and the fact that it says it's that requires but anything else is already not going to require says says the so from something that the great said and that is quote about once was already achieved but before then you're going to require sends this telegram in the name of commenting on the Mishna. So we know what the Mishna says. We saw it. We recaped it. We recaped it again. We even saw the explains it. But the bottom line is we know and on said one line. Now it's a very cryptic statement referring to our Mishna but it's not clear which part of the Mishna that it's really referring to. It says was one of the he sat down and he started analyzing what exactly meant specifically which part of the was he referring to. He said was he referring to the part of the Mishna that talks about now which part of talks about it's so that other one that you is considered. said was referring to the case of and specifically so just as a little bit of an introductory point we'll see in the gar's discussion now we're going to contrast between the of and the of the way we're even going to talk about the vlad of versus the of so what's the difference between and if you take a look at rashi rashi says is where someone says is when someone says what's the mart the first everybody knows that that is what's the between a and a somebody says if something happens to the animal if somebody says his whole nether is to this animal so if something happens to the animal for fallen there's nothing you could do there's no he's not going to be responsible there's not going to be any this is the way Rashi learns if you look in the mubet says and this is like a for another day the I would have said that is when someone has an obligation to bring a he's one of our is when you weren't obligated to bring obligation for example in you find a concept of and is when someone's to bring a carbon is where someone just wants to be carbon but learns that and the is in the it's per the mission the first not in terms of did I have a to bring this carbon or did I not have a to bring this carbon some say by the way that rashi is because rashi holds that even if someone's wanted but there's no to bring the carbon And a good is to go bead. But that wouldn't necessarily make it in. But the bottom line is we're going to go with and learns that means when you say as a result there's no. So again was trying to figure out which case of the Mishna was commenting on was it referring to the case of and specifically a case where it was where the person had said well if that's the case I don't know what was being because was he coming to the lift part of his statement what did he sayapino it's the price And if he was coming to me, it's also the now it's not the but it's how so because what the B say the bride said if somebody was and now they're both there. So what's a not just that the one that you're going to be you get to pick and choose is going to require the other one you're going to be but it's not require what say that there's no by the other oneap means you were already one this is the second one if it's the second one then there's no then the is even if it's the second one in theory but it's a yak and therefore So really both halves of what saying wasn't but it was thinking I don't know what case is referring to. can't be this case because maybe what was referring to was a case where it was but in this case the original was not it was it was and if it was then there's no well if that's the case in that instance you should always require even if It's you should require and the reason in the words of the Gar is all you're doing is what a beautiful but what you're doing is you're being what's the is that being that this person had no because he had said he didn't say so it comes out that when he was you can't really look at it as being shy to the original what? Because I had a responsibility to do something and I can't fulfill it with this and I'm going to fulfill it with that. The was that if you couldn't fulfill it with this, you had no obligation to fulfill it at all. So when you went ahead and you mafish now uh even though in your mind you're thinking but the lumbus of it doesn't care what you're thinking the lice of it works and there was no so what is it? It's a new Oh, there's a new there's going to be to bring and if that's the case, it can't be that's what is referring to because what say that there's no question in the world that when it comes to the you would always require which means the Mishna the B and they're not talking about that they have to talk about commenting on the Mishna can't be that that's where said maybe what he meant was a maybe he was referring to not on the case of but maybe on the case of right the Mishnad mentioned three cases and the case of so maybe he's talking about where the had a child and what he's saying is that the we'll get to in a second but the it doesn't require it requires it can't be because it should never requ even even and the reason is because it's always considered by it's learned from the word too for this purpose I get to pick and choose which one I want and if I decide to use this one first now is going to be a regular like there always is by a carbon But when I have a toy that has a child that's is the mother and the is for sure a and if the is a there's no way in the world that that is ever going to require and that's based on the last that the brought the it says and from we learn it's only the only time we have in our where there's something that doesn't feel like the that's bringing that's only because of the that tells me it's therefore if you want to bring it you could bring it it's even and therefore it's going to require and it makes sense it should be because I was for this person purpose I was maf something else FIRST NO NO IS IT'S A THAT teaches me it's going to be okay but as relates to the is never going to be the and if the is never going to be the because I'm for sure wasn't maf for the so if it's never going to be the it's from and if that's the case it can't be that's what was referring to Allah said process of elimination. I'm backing into only one possibility and that is it must be that was commenting on the case of a but where it was what does that mean where he said so right now if something's going to happen to this animal you're going to have to replace it and you went ahead and you brought this that is saying that although from the mash That's only true if you already brought the M. However, if you didn't bring the mommy yet, what's the why is that not the answer is holds that if somebody wants to go and be with the that's something he's allowed to do. What's an example? This is an example where someone has an animal and the animal's hectish and then it had a a child. You can get the kapar with the or the that came from the and being that means you have a legitimate option to go ahead and get your fulfill your thank you by bringing the baby. If that's the case, it's not it's why it's going to require. So at the end of the day made a very cryptic comment and by process of elimination by the way notice the never entertain the of the part of the right we're trying to figure out commenting on the part where it's or on the flat part where it's the part is not something that we even entertain. But the bottom line is is that what emerges is talking about the case of specifically where it was and what was the one thing was coming to me which of course and that was the comment that he was trying to make a nice postcript that you should know also sat down and he analyzed and he came out exactly like was And by the way, it's even better than that because we know that we have a from actually said this. Doesn't matter if it's require what's the reason right because we don't view it as we view it as its own you have two and two each one is going to require if somebody has the of it doesn't matter if it's doesn't matter it's not going to require what's the in because the because it's the of and teaches me only the not the so it's that it's never going to require what about the what's the reason so it becomes that requires now it's not but the bottom line is who said this said see here wasn't so cryptic it He said it's anram and both came out in so the gar now is going to bring another cryptic mera from another great amra and that is the at first glance's mera is not directly related to raban's memor stating that After the gammor is going to work through from here until four lines from the bottom of the id what we're going to see is that cryptic memor is actually very much related to cryptic memor in fact they're taking opposite positions as relates to this of but we're going to have to do a little bit of work until we get there says the said anytime time is that if this was a carbon it would be messa so then is if it's a carbon doesn't require any time is that if this was a carbon it would be not me as it relates to a would require so what's the background to me the background tom's memory is the again this is 101 but there are five times where the of a carbonas is you can't be mate as a carbon you don't treat it like regular but rather it's you have to kill it. It was a whole s of how they did it. But there are what's known as the what are they? So it's those are the five examples of theis the one that's going to be most prominently featured not the only one but the one that we're going to focus on the most here in this uh is what's the case of so is straightforward is straightforward for is straightforward is straightforward. The only one that's not so straightforward is the case is where somebody was carbonas and then he lost it. So he had to be mafish another katas and now there are these two as a result I have a situation where I was mafish two kat I'm getting kara from one not from the other hence the other one is a bum's alive the b no babies were born it's the right age no one was even the lav of tumuru but at the same time the b got already as a result what you have is what's known as aipua And it is one of the five. Now there's a big what the of is and this is something that comes up a lot. According to the only time something is is if you find the original after you already got so somebody was he has to bring and he goes and he's mafish this and then he's wants to go to the bik and bring it and uh these animals have a life of their own he can't find it so he goes ahead and he's another one brings it to the bik he gets kapar then he comes home. Lo and behold, it's here. The came back home. So that says the is a why? Because he got kapar already. And being that he got kapar already, that's when it's going to go. Rebi says that of course is a but it doesn't even have to be so dramatic. As long as somebody was and he lost it and therefore had to be another one and now he has both of them in front of him that in of itself is already because he didn't getap yet. You're not getting until you're actually but the fact that you have these two sitting in front of you that in of itself would be enough for it to be considered a this is the first thing we have to be mindful of. The only thing we have to be mindful of is there's another discussion in the what would be if somebody went and he was mafish two where somebody was worried that if I'm going to be maf only one I might lose it. So he was mafish too and the objective of the second was that it's his backup it's his insurance plan. It's like this if something happens to the first one he has a plan B there to say that even that holds that even if you didn't actually get but the second is but that's only because each you to get from but when you are too and the objective of the other one is is to be maybe over there it's going to be different again all these ideas are going to be floated around in the of the so goes and gives this rule of thumb that's he says whatever that is that if you had a it would be from the equivalent of doesn't require but anytime you have a would be not me but would be what does mean you give it over to the shepherd and he let in the farm until it gets a so whenever the would be as relates to require one just last point before we part is that is not telling us that there's some intrinsic relationship between the and somehow the is saying is not a but is saying in the vernacular is a sim it's just a rule of thumb it's a cheat sheet that could be you know the but you don't know the and to be fair they're both obscure but comes up a lot more than so you know that better this one not as much. So he says, "I'm giving you a good way to remember it. Just half cup on." He said, "Is that a real rule of thumb?" the bracer that we began the with it says how do you know that in the event that you have this you could be whichever one you want it says right the word teaches me whichever one you want you would think the second one requires right we know already from you could be of both but how do you know the second one doesn't require you would think it right? So that's the rule. So an example of a that doesn't require is where you had two in front of you. You were or the one not the other the other one is now what would be the equivalent there by going to they have to be consistent. You want to know what is right? How do I know that? We learned in somebody found the first one, right? That's the punch line. They're both standing in front of him right now. You get with one of them and the other one is going to go. The only time the is considered the only time it's only if you found it after the so if you found if you don't have the of is going to be according to the is that if you have two that will for the same the is that one of and you're going to get kapar from and the other one you're going to say isn't that no is when you don't have them both in front of you when I only have one in front of me because I already got kap from the backup and therefore right now all I have is one but if I have both in front of me is that it's going to be it's not going to go what did theishna sayurish or what did the say even more as it relates to that exact same case when it comes to the carbon to if I have the two toas in front of me I could pick whichever ever want I want to be macro just like by the but what's with the other one is gave us a he gave us a rule of thumb he says that you want to remember just think about it doesn't because here where the is not as opposed to as it relates to the is this cash is only a Now we assume that probably so it make a lot of sense that that's the way it should be well I have to say really holds like that once it was even if now I have both of them in front of me is still going to be messa which is exactly when when it comes to the carbon like this is going to very well with the but says so what's the case of meaning said if he holds like I know when it's me I know when it's promise but if he's going what is the case of when do I have a situation where it's not going to be me it's going to be I'll tell you will be like If somebody was where one is the backup you can get from whichever one you want and as it relates to the second one the second one's going to be so you want your case that was one of the that we gave to say that's where it's going to be but the says it can't be because they're telling me then The is that if somebody was two so the is that the second one is going to require right because you're telling me that says it can't be there's no way it's going to require why is it not going to require because that's already going to be considered and so the say you're right the The only way to make sense of to figure out a case of and to not be contradicted by the holds like who holds who holds that you have the okay and and what does that mean and it's longer ashy in all situations even when you were mafish the second that in every single situation is always what's the is that how could you tell me that holds like rebi if he holds like rebi what's going to be the case of the ter is it's going to be can't be because it doesn't stand if he holds like that it's then again the cheat sheet doesn't work because when it comes to the is you don't have to when it comes to the there would be And was when it comes to the there's going to be so what are we saying to get out of that? What we're saying is that it really like he holds that in not like is just not like he holds that if you're both is that you're going to go being that you're going to go. So is very good that when it comes to the the is that it's not going to require but here's the problem. The problem is less like the problem is according to there's never so if there's never so what's the other half of when said he figured out he also figured out that there's no steer from me of but the problem is I don't have an application for that part of memor said two things. He said I have an application for the I don't have an application for the says has no way out of this only said one thing he said he never said the second thing it was a said it over this is what said walked into he said he didn't say there's no case of there's no not because it's because there's What did he say? He said my at the end of the day what was coming to beadesh right? What really was he coming to? He's coming to the madeship bal isa or he's coming toad that where you got to we know the vishna said it the price said it walks in he says it's not clear what the of even is so the says you want to know what the kdesh is there's only one I think in that is not even related ated to but it's actually related to and it's coming to go not like said earlier in the said what was his he said that if someone has a carbon and it was a where he said and then the went ahead and had a baby if you want to go ahead and you want to be mac of the you could and then you're going to be said in his cryptic way which meant regarding the if it's and the reason so it's considered there's no question the world's going to require what was coming to say was not that way and how did he go now like he went cryptic for cryptic you said something cryptic I'm going to say something just as cryptic he said it in a very cryptic way he walks in and he says didn't he also say never said that. What was he coming to be? What's the it's learn of figure out what do you holding? It's going to make what exactly is he coming to? Well, he's coming to you is one thing. He's coming to go not like where do you see in his statement not like because of all day every day is and if there's a rule that that means the is not like who said that no it's not going to require and that was the was coming to say so at the end of the day we have a between two with regards to a shah of the of whether or not it's according to it's according to It's because it's because the irony is is that both made their comments in in cryptic ways. They said it related to our but they said it in a very by process elimination we're able to figure out the only case he could be talking about was the case of and when he says isn't that must be no because that's how he said his and said his by saying and being that even well that means it's going to be now there's no direct again between this and between the fact that the reason the and if that's the case it never will be considered that's always going to be considered a but it's a cheat sheet that's all he was trying to do it was a sim not a end of the day you want a rule of thumb this is the rule of Why will this rule of thumb help you like this? You won't make the toys. You're not going to think like you're not going to think you're not going to think that it's really said more on this. If somebody goes over to animal, he says, "I want this to be the then he goes over to breads and he says I want this to be the okay." in the event that he loses the so he has the now without the maybe so you can always replace the of the but if you have the and you don't have the well then maybe meaning then you can't just keep the and bring a new you're going to have to rinse and repeat you're going to have to bring a new and a new so if I have a and that's all of it sounded a little scary but just means if I lose the and I have the animal I can replace the but if I lose the I lose the animal. All I have is the I can't replace it. What's the difference or probably that little B is not even big? But anyways, it's because the is to the is not to. So if you lose the but you have the tulle, you can't replace ankar to the tel. But if I lose the tel and I have the I can replace the tuffle to the very straightforward. If somebody was mafish money for a carbon and then he had leftover money again he was mafish the money for the carbon part in fact actually has the gear of so it's for the the carbon aspect of it somebody went and he was mafish mo for his carbon that was left over maybe you want to bring you can bring let's say somebody was mafish money and when he was mafish and he said I want to use this for lak And there was leftover money. Maybe you can't use it for the so leftover money can be used for leftover money can't be used for the what's the difference is it based on something said. So you see clearly that the toy refers to the mat as a meaning what's the reason that if I have leftover money and I want to use it for the I could use it is it because when I said based on something said well if that's the case then it should work in the reverse as well meaning we should say that if I have leftover money for the which is So if I want to use it for the we have a to use it for the if the reason this works where I've left over to the money for the because have the same shem right they considered the same exact thing well it should work the other way as well it's the flip side of the same coin it's six of one half a dozen of another right it's any other uh cliche you can think of but the bottom line is if we're working with it should go both ways so the says no it's Not true. The reason is you find that is in called. So if I'm it could be the or it could be the you have leftover money use it for but so if I went ahead and I was wellid is not included in the and it's for that reason that is not going to work. Ra said another and this unlike the previous two is going to very much tie back to the first part of the daf and uh it's going to bring it all together. So Robert said the following some went ahead. He was mafish his ford and it got lost and he went ahead. He was mafish another one of and it also got lost. So this person needs to check his muzas but either way he lost already a second and he went ahead. Now he a third one and then sure enough lo and behold you know he forgot to check his backyard. He forgot to check the barn. All the animals that he was mish were really there and he has three that are staring him in the eye. They're all so now what says you have to if he gets from the first one meaning he gets to pick which one he wants teaches me. So he picked the first one. The second one doesn't require the third one would require. So let's uh explain this. The first one he picked obviously that's going to require and the reason is because that's doesn't require. The second one there's no the third one does require. The reason the third one requires is because we don't view the third one as being a for the first one. It's going to be we don't view it as being the first one. We actually view it as being for the second one. If anything, but not afraid and is just like another that you brought is you're going to require. The only way you're going to get out of is if we view this as being a for the original. The second one is viewed as a for the original. The third one was more of a for the second one which is not the original. What then is it? It's that's if you in the first one. What would be if let's say you gotap with the third one you decided the third one is the one you want. Well then the second one doesn't require because we view the third one as aim of the second one. So the second and the third are bound by each other which means but the so the third one which is the one you picked that obviously needs. Second one is know what about the first one that does require and the reason is because again I don't view the between the first and the third as being one or the other. So then what is the first one when you bring it when you bring the first one it was once the original now it lost that uh status but at the same time it's a that's what it is and a requires the only time there's no is if it's of one that you already brought. So the first is not of the third just like the third wasn't the of the first and it's for that reason it's going to be let's say you decided to bring the second one then they're both not going to require because the second one is to the first and to the third so we view it as a aim of the first and of the third or from the first and the third perspective the first is aim of the second and the third is a kufim of the second that both so it Right. Just to bring out the point to have one as two you could have it but it would have to be like in such a situation just because I was two additionals doesn't make the two additionals the middle one actually would but the first and the third they're not going to have this relationship who said this said no I feel as long as you get from any one of them it doesn't matter which one the other two do not require no they're all coming to the other ones he doesn't hold like that the second is auim for the first and the third is auim for the second no they're all they're all coming here to replace the original so just like the second one is of the first the third is also of the first which means that the first is also of the third it goes all and therefore according to know they're all going to require they're all going to or they're all going to not require language so the first Yeah, obviously that's the one you picked. But the all the other ones are all going to be from ready for this said just like we just gave this uh little uh case as it relates to the you should know the same is going to be true as it relates to the house and it got lost another one and it got lost. Then he does a third and then the first two are found and he has three standing in front of him apart from the first one. The second one is going to be why is the second one beam because it's however as it relates to the third one. That one is only going to be terra. What's the reason that it's going to be terra sashi just says because we don't look at it as being the and being that it's not the says for that reason it's going to be just explained a little bit better we don't view the third one as being of the first one it's the same exact methodology of what ro had said in the previous kamar okay so now what is it right what is it we look at where there's a mus where I can go ahead and I could be as like a backup where is it's not where it's going to be included in the what then will it be it's going to be right that's going to be so the way I view the third one you have to categorize it has to be something the way I view it is is like the it's not right that case. It's not but I got to do something with it. So what is it? It's exactly what this is going to be. So the second one is cuz that's a regular that's the case and the is going to be by the way it's only who going to it's not anyways but the bottom line is the so therefore the is going to be and the third one is going to be right what would be if he got kapar instead with the third one that's the one he picked Thomas the second one is going to be Because the relationship between the second one and the third one is going to be it's considered and then we look at the first one as being which is interesting that was the first one you but now that I have three that's the way we tight up the situation if you decide to get with the middle one they're both going to go in other words essentially applied principles as it relates to the to the no It doesn't matter which one you get from the other two are going to go. And just like the second is the of the first and the third is of the second. The third is also the of the first, the first is also the of the third and they're all going to go. What was the point of right? What exactly was he trying to be? It sounds like it's identical. So coming to someone says I'll tell you there's one obvious when it comes to the could be over there the there's a that it could be they're not all going to be considered the reason they're not all going to be considered is because a mus I'm just being so I have to touch all three as being I could say the other one is just there's a there's a way to t But over here you can't say maybe it's push over here that they're all going to be. That's why wanted to say that even when it comes to the it's not so it almost sounds for sure that it's coming as it's coming as still that it's why because there is another gather what's the other gather that's the other gather there's a Muslim something where it doesn't get the I look at the ones that are not next to each other going to as being a type of and it's for that reason felt that he had to go ahead and he had to repeat it. One thing you see from this last is again a connection between the and the when it requires and it doesn't require and again there's nothing inherently from one to the other but at the same time there is some cheat sheet to it that was here you have it over here's the whole Mishna scream it because right the Mishna was talking about three examples of that don't require and the three of the five. So really when we started the we could have already mentioned this that this feels dig it after learning today's there's no question in the world that's what's going on. Once again what what's this just from a very very high level the mission statement of not the easiest but what was the avoid the avoid was a carbon requires there was a concept of I have a carbon but this carbon is not going to require it's considered not to be an we have three examples of it we have the of aid it's not the a baby it's the of the but it's not the actual of the loyal lane of the or I have the where I was to I lost it. I was forced to be mafish another one. I'm getting from one I don't really need the other one now. What exactly do I do with that? These are examples of that find themselves in this unique situation where similar to the if you have a in these unique situations or there too there's a concept where we go obviously harder and a lot of but we are going to stop Yeah.