Menachos 74

Today's d is and we are at the two dots about 10 lines from the bottom of so yesterday we began the seventh peris which begins with a list of that have avas five make up the Five types of additionally. We spoke about that a little bit yesterday. Can a bring a carbon can only bring a carbon so much about that in the last par essentially brought how it is. We know that the affformentioned the respective have a that after the said there are some words in the even says and when the talks about one of the things the says is that the should be given to the is all inclusive it's a heish that would say that even the where it's not in the are Still they're going to be but the was left hanging was what about the specifically the and the meaning in even though we're dealing with a heish but the thought in that maybe only relates to the which is how do you know the and the brought just one that we didn't mention today and that is where says that at the end of the day it comes out that the ones that were not in the says the reason is because say throughout that was and even though we have here a mitzvah for the to eat this but at the same time it's a little bit not fine It's a little inappropriate. You're giving the what your says as a sensitivity. Although the wants the to eat it and when the eats of there's no question the gets a mitzvah for eating the just like he gets the mitzvah for eating the mitzvah that's but as a sensitivity the only set up. So the that's like the says right in the beginning of that's before what about the that's a really difficult tucked away for that already we need and and really difficult why did the tell us so as a sensitivity to the kay we don't want to make it sound like we're giving our to the kay that's what the kay ate in the mik she ate that's something he gave animals. So out that sensitivity the only said it regardless the Mishna had mentioned at the end said that there was one type of that had and the were not in fact the at all the like the one of them and that was the of the so if a was bringing again which brought the that's a that did one of the aas for carbon. It's a carbon at this point we know was not a carbon oil. It's a carbon because the the price and the type of carbon fluctuated based on the financial status of the bal but it was a carbon. And the Tyra said that certain aas that you don't necessarily have to bring the kispa or the sahira the female sheepa the female goat that a person ordinarily had to bring when he was but over here it varies. If you can afford to bring a kisper that's what you bring. If you can't afford that, there's an option to bring. If you can't even afford that, there was a third option. Thus, the type of carbon was somebody couldn't afford to bring the animal or even he had to bring the his was being brought. Thus, his was called now is a is an ordinary. It's requires it's one of the 10 that are mentioned in the stating that said if the was the one that did so now it's a that's bringing this there the is that were not so the is not going to eat his own or give it to another to eat the but rather the of the of the gets burnt on the as well and really the background to shim is a which is going to permeate today's d the it's in it's any that a brings that's the of a carbon it should be completely consumed on it cannot be eaten now this is referring to a says here is not going to be eaten meaning it's going to be put completely on the and really what the Pik means is not even means you don't do what you do for is you do you take the put on the what the is saying is does not even reference of it says that although it's true this P is referring to of a but really it applies to the of the as well. Albe it slightly differently because whereas the means you don't even do everything gets put on the by the of the still there is a concept of the concept is you do you put the on the like you would ordinarily do but you put the on the as well. So although is not saying that this that is talking about relates equally to the of the because if it did you wouldn't be doing you just put it completely on the you put it completely on the but stating that the principle of as we'll see in in another difficult this morning that does apply say no that is talking about there's no everything gets put on them is bad was that the had the was put on the like the every was put on the and the were put on the how do you know that says the learn it says now that is a par and it's in the par of the and after the whole par of the so the Torah talks the animals, the birds and then he can bring a carbon and at the very end the terror says goes to the so what do you do with the you give it to stating that the words and he understood that what it meant was if a is bringing then it's going to be like an ordinary. So let's see the B says that what it means to say is that just like a did the all the avoid of a wereoid in contrast in a which was the and therefore everything was avoided. So just like a did he with ordinary so too if a is bringing his own it's a if the is the one bringing the this is like a real is the one bringing the treat like a regular just like a regular does the so here he does the is that what it means maybe the way you read it is that if a is bringing a it's of that then it should be that the should be able to eat it. Why would you think not that way? Because there's a that says that the goes completely on the speaks of that. Isn't there a says you can't eat the No, that's like we spoke out. So the says says it's a little bit more mash that the way you're supposed to read this is is that the should be like the so it's not the should be like an ordinary it's the coins should be like the of if that's the case if the or the is coming to teach me about whether the of the is or is not we shouldn't say that it's like a regular person's we should say it's like a and if that's the case so if the purpose of this is to tell me regarding whether or not the if anything it would teach me that it's not now I don't need a speaks out the says to tell me that the is not because really if I wouldn't have any information I would assume the is not says then either so at the end of the day I have two options of what to do with this either it's coming to teach me that the do about that later in the or it's coming to teach me about whether it should be or not it can't be teaching me that it should be because it's mash that which is not I don't need a to tell me that it's not and I'm going to know that it's not must be it's coming to teach me what the thought initially it's coming to teach me and that is ringing he's allowed to do his own said I don't agree with everything that just said does it say what it says therefore says I think we couldn't work with the second that the had in the what was the second that the of the should be like an ordinary how so is coming to teach me that just like an ordinary has has says maybe here as well said is referring to the name of exactly how the of the was done teaches me that there was but at the same time emphasis on it's the part that the does That's the that part is like an ordinary. However, the part that went on the was not like a meaning whereas ordinarily she was eaten over here and only the went on the over here everything is going to go on the so if there's how does it reconcile with the fact that everything is going on the isn't the definition of you do and you put the on the and so how could you have it both ways and you do thus in that sense it's like an ordinary in that but at the same time it's only because whereas an ordinary only goes on the here after you do the even the is going to go on the so the bottom line is is that how he knows this that you did on the one hand but at the same time the went on it's learned out from this three words tucked away at the very end of the par of the it says means that the goes to the thus you have to give it to the but says there's a over here is referring to the but only part is the who does the that's like an ordinary you do but in terms of what goes on the it's not like an ordinary what is that ordinary only the goes on the here everything is going to go on the what did this argues with learned something else from this he agreed is teaching me about that just like an ordinary does the so If a is bringing which we know but even the himself that's bringing the carbon he could do his own. So could a do the of his own carbon that's what it's coming to teach me says this I know from somewhere else how do you know that is bringing his own carbon that he has a right to do his own says etc. And we learn from there from there we learn whenever wants to do the now couldn't just do the there was a whole there were sometimes there were more sometimes there were less but there were and there was a whole sader there was a b couldn't just do the andar talk about so what does it mean could do the whenever he wanted to could do the whenever he wanted to He's and he's but couldn't we're talking about a who's bringing his own carbon if a is bringing his own carbon he can do his own again why do I need this possibly could isn't there regarding all the says from there you would think maybe a carbon that's not but if it's something that's says in the beginning It's actually an idea that permeates in certain places. So maybe if it's so you need another to go on your behalf and bail you out. Maybe you can't do your own says I have a that tells me that a could do the for his own carbon even if the carbon says so we're going from the words are extra to teach me so I know that as well I would think that maybe that's talking about that's what the says but maybe is talking even about it says the is that true you have to go through the list of there aren't that many but if you go through the list there's one that's and that is the par ofos is one of the in that par. Someone that violated has to bring that was the one that was over the parish. He's now he has to bring. So he's bringing a but that he did is we learned out from that he could do just one that's worth mentioning something that we've spoken out a few times and that is and brings in as well and that is that we know so ordinarily if a person was going to bring a you have the option of doing himself because you have to do it with a so that's a okay that's right here but someone that's not a most people are not they didn't even have the but they were able to do so was there an to learn how to do and to do the himself so says that historically speaking the zar did not do and presumably the would do many that the used to do the even though there's a brother says that not let spoken a lot about this specifically when we learn but says He says historically, as much as Desar never did, there was one k that used to always do the and that is by the sokar, he would hand it over to the even though it was the but the would go to the mikdash and he would try to do the by himself. And says he thinks the reason is is because the whole idea of is related of course to say so really the the optimal way for us to be armed is to do it. He discusses it in the context of doing but regardless. So here you have a discussion about a kay who could do any aid. So is it okay for the to do the bottom line is yes it doesn't matter if it's a carbon it doesn't matter if it's a carbon that's and even a carbon that's with the said let's say incidentally there are other that are the reason the mention is because we're discussing the that's the one example of a but it's a where the discusses different types of aor there's examples of different wasn't say there's a third who's the third that's said so the was put on like every What about the it wasn't put on the rather what was done with it was it was spread out on the base heard this and he wondered out loud he said what did mean when he said it was put on the did he mean the that's where all the dash all the ashes were on top of the that's the meaning you're saying you put it go to where all the dash is all the ashes That's it was a if you remember they would gather everything to the middle. So if you're doing that so says that you take the and you put it on the he's saying the same and if he meant that there was a that's referring to the place where they used to take the says that was outside of Is that what he means? So he says that's like a funny. So you take the you put it on the what do you do with the you throw it in the garbage. I mean that's essentially what it would mean if it means the that's what they did with the with the said yeah why does that bother you so much? You find there are certain things in the mikdash where the wasn't eaten. It wasn't put on the but they used to take it to the Besh they did it with the discussed this in great detail what's the big deal so the said when said that they started laughing they said of course we know there's a concept of something that goes but to take and say that what am I going to do with this this is going is is something you do if something goes But put the and throw the rest in the garbage. There's no precedence for that. So that there's no precedence for that. So what's he means that's means that's what you should do. So the says yeah that is what it means. I you never find such a thing. Here we have precedent. Here we have a caret's father came and he said I'll tell you it says in theory and we learned from there now that's the says that was treated like a carbon you weren't allowed to eat it learned from there that only that we compare it says what does this mean this is whereab And now we'll understand how this explains it says in theory and then it says now in the backwards again is the first thing it says in the is the second thing it says in the said let's work backwards that's referring to the that he's bringing because he has to bring a also known as when it says in the it should be completely that's referring to basically took a that talks about it says two things should have told the same thing means burn that you're not let it really chopped it up he said is referring to one type of is talking about another type of and he went backwards the second one is referring to the of a and there the is merely doesn't say you put the entire it's just referring to the of but at the end of the day you have a you have a that says that the of is not it's only because although it says is referring to the is referring to the so you want to know the how I know that you But at the same time, you don't put it completely on the like because it doesn't say, "Yeah, that's the but really means you can't eat it." But it also doesn't go. It's also not thus this middle. So what do you do with it? You send it to the is there a concept of a gob? Not really. But here I have an exception. You know why? because it's a p the how else am I supposed to dash in the we're contrasting between the that was in the one that's in the that's the one that's merely meaning it's not here what does that mean it's not eaten says it's also not because that's the comparison thus what it must mean is is you send it and there's a big discussion here in exactly what arguing about usually it's very straightforward over here. It's a little bit unclear. So tell what you're taking a sharp knife and you're slicing and dicing. But is going to do the same thing what the really means is you're right are talking about two different types of the first one is referring to the second one is referring to. Now if you think about it did the same thing Abaya did. He took a and he was all did differently than Abaya was is that he presented it differently. Abaya presented it backwards and presented it. Abay said that working backwards is referring to the is referring to the ra said is referring to the refer to the if you're helping they said the same exact thing. It's just the order. So what exactly are and arguing? I am but the bottom line is is and both seem to be saying something very similar and that is the is one type of is another type of is referring to is referring to it's you can't eat it. It's also not cuz that's what we're comparing and contrasting must be you send it says how do you know is referring to the maybe is referring to the is referring to the says it makes sense that the should be the one that's called here and the background is really the previous the previous and the previous par something we spoke about and that is that the is talking about the so every single day the used to bring a carbon there was a carbon it was called the hy of the it was so there were certain that were brought twice during the day you had the carbon this is one of them so twice there was a that was born it was essentially one that that was the the we learned together it was half of it was brought in the morning the other half as worthy. The Tyra says that what you do with that talked it had to be completely burnt on the makes sense. It's right. So it was completely burnt on the next is the Pik we're discussing now. So this is not in a vacuum. It's actually in in a broader context. And the broader context is the parish of the so we're discussing the board every day that was the very next is so essentially the mitzvah that the terror says regarding an ordinary we're comparing to the so we have a sh now when it says is referring to the of the or of the because in the we have and we one is referring to the of the one's referring to the and the I don't how do I know which one is so says the one that's going to be called is at the end of the day going to be the one that's similar to the so whichever one is called is going to be like the so now the question is which one of these two is more similar to the the of the or of the says the one similarity that it has between the is that it's something that I'm assuming happened often the was it happened every day the had nothing to do with that he's not bringing it every day the has nothing to do with either and the like most had it She the had she and as well and this is all in contrast to wasn't it was and it's not it doesn't smell because there is no she and there is no but I can argue that is similar was the same she is by definition whereas again how do I know Which one should be called is more sometimes you count. So has three similarities. This has two similarities. Back of the envelope arithmetic three is more than two. Thus the is the one that's going to be called the is going to be the one that's going to be. So the bottom line is is the Garra addressed by who holds that the you did you put the on then you put the address the third that you did with the you put the on the were not but rather the were and weren't put on either it was you did with what you did with the you take outside is there an idea of a part that's going that's means says that I should say was this is one part of the is another part of the meaning both in What is it coming to say? So the get mentioned the right afterwards it mentions the what do you do with the two words. What do you do with the so says the it says the words and it says the words. How do you know that the words relate to And how do you know that the words relate to it says the word in other words what we need here is that don't anything as well is telling you it's that if somebody eats it, he's going to be. And by the way, this relates not only to the But this is going to relate to the So we have an interesting over here. The Tyra says the is it has to go completely on the but the bottom line is what be if a would eat from that he wasn't supposed to eat he's get this what happens if a eats a from an ordinary carbon of the carbon that's supposed to go on his back it's not supposed to be what's the meaning is he going to get malus or not says that's that he's going to get mouth for being over that means that someone that's not a is not let certain is notar is not certain but not so even though this person is a and a is technically notar but that's supposed to go he's treated like aar thus for the question was is he When the said that the goes on the is it only true for the or is it true for anything that's supposed to go on the anytime there's a any of any that's supposed to go on if a goes ahead and eats it maybe he's going to get what's you don't see that very often everything has culty. It doesn't mean everything anytime there's a mitzvah to put something on his back and somebody goes even it say just one mentioned that it was that if a would eat that's supposed to go even though loosely translated a means someone that's not a he's not a right he's a that's posh the understanding of what aar means but at the same time this relates even to a because the iss and the truth is if you think about it what does mean doesn't mean doesn't mean someone that can't get the first two alias what a zar by definition means is you're you're a stranger it's not you're doing something you're not supposed to do a zar is kachim the person that can't eat kachim that can't eat kachim is the zar But being that even aim even the would be treated as a just one and that is in the mitzvah that talks about the beginning of that had it be done by the declares what would be if a would do the would it be that says that is not let do the in the mdash on the one hand he's not He's a so that being that the of the is treated like a zar because although he's not a zar in the in the generic sense but this he is a right we know that it's that will do the so it's very clear that is the one that has to do the so now even if it could be says I'll take it a step further we know there's four. There's the etc. And there's the other what would the other the other are the do one of those that is one of the so he does one of the megimo maybe he has to do all the but let's say a would do the paper it' be one of the for which would so I don't have the in front of me but he says he found the clares the sh and he says the alien is I know right it's a nice classic but he says at the end of the day I have no you have to know what the was I don't think the was could the ever be treated as because then I think would have we just don't think that if a would be said what do you mean he's not a he's a ter being that he's He's treated like so with reason to say that the not allowed to do the why should he not be treated like you have to know exactly what was regardless of so the first mission discuss the 10 examples where there was but now we have a much shorter list. We know what that is. That was the used to bring every day and that's the came along with certain garban there was no there was no was put complet three examples of where the gets more than the gets the entire the doesn't get anything another example of where you see we Treat them as a living organism. Those were both they were both completely by the did not go on the but what's that but it didn't go on the of course didn't go on the either that sense the they got they didn't get the now just to speak out because we put so much into these that as much as the itself didn't go in the But the were part of a bigger carbon. In fact, there was a zika as in there was a zika relationship between the two the and the did go on the so from that standpoint as much as it's true that the physically didn't go on the but it was part of a bigger carbon that did have as well came along with the but the bottom line is as itself and the itself didn't go on the say three examples the and they had no thus the entire went on the and those are the three examples. So there's no other example of a carbon that goes completely on the so that you could say the school right you don't have to go past that no it's not true what about the the went to the did not go to the says that was some of the intestines that went not on Now, incidentally, it didn't go to the either for the mice. It didn't go in the muzz didn't go in the it's not included in in in this list of that went completely to the what about the there was no that the got a little bit of the wine. All the wine went on the muzz. So the says remember there were two on the by the on the bottom of the and thus even though it went through the but it didn't it wasn't it wasn't consumed by the in the way and as a result as a result it's not considered says the word bazoo sounds like it's coming to something what's coming if someone is so he's bringing not pot of a bigger carbon, not as of a carbon, but he makes an I want to bring a carbon. My carbon is going to be wine. So, and you pour it on top of the fire. This is it comes into the so you put it on on top of the of the so you see clearly you have a case of where it's going completely on the and it's not going the it's actually going on the so according to you have a fourth example of so the that's why the said it's coming not like because you're right according to you have a fourth example Even the says there's a riot meaning as much as in the so you do kima with the oil and you give the to the now if's not right what would you do you put all the onbah if you put all the onbah that would be your fourth example so from the fact that the mish says three and not four it's so on the one And the Mishna's list of three is on the other hand the Mishna's list of three is two different one is regarding the other one as it relates to the at the end said were two examples of that go to the don't go to the and the concluded what out was completely didn't go on the as well. So you'll tell me was part of the okay but itself never went on the says you have the dam of the go on the what about the that didn't go on the mat there was still mat now incidentally the mat that were done with the didn't go on the mb either some of them went by the and some of them went on the mits himself but It's not all going. It's like the by the didn't go all the that's why wasn't mentioned the like didn't go completely to the and that's why it's not mentioned in the what's the another difficulty that we learned together but over there discussed we know that the of each other but only one was of the other. So and both said that which one was the was the male. So what mattered was the if there's no was the was just the opposite was what mattered. So if there was there was if there was no there was no but the point is according to it's possible to bring without agrees that the will not do the so if you're bringing without which is possible what do you do with the so and onear said it goes if it goes then it comes out that it's possible that the will go on the that's the always gets meaning is never going to be not that it's going to go but it's never not going to go to the that the emphasis on that's what we're trying to say that the is always going to go to the it's going to go to in all situations exile. So we're a little bit of a bal on some raid from the end of Sunday's daff. So just we took a vote and we'll go back to just one piece of raid which was a digression on Sunday. It's certainly a digression this morning but just to end an intense daff on a light note. So the topic of Sunday's daf as the previous two or so weeks of daffen was the carbon and as mentioned many times there were many mitzvah that permeate the obviously bringing the carbon the mitzvah of the mitzvah of brought who holds that the mitzvah of was very big is one saying that holds that the mitzvah of issuard it's a that's very much tucked away it's in paris the over there says and this is very out of context it's not clear what exactly the is referring to said is referring to says is referring to. Okay. What's coming to teach me aren't supposed to leave in the it's learned out from the ink is coming to teach me a very important that just like is always going to be a soer the only time it's going to be is if it's a sob that you can't do on chabas but what about a mitzvah mitzv you can do on chabas what's mitzvah so again learn it because the seems to be equating the chabas and ones on is always because how could you ever be and you're doing a mitzvah what's an example of no such thing is always oh that's because only is going this is a well-known everything is is relatively wellknown and says make it tasty. Why was it so that he can't be doing why can't he do I have a perfect example a person was he's plowing his field cuz he wants to plant so that later he can take the three of and bring it to the md with the three and the sickles and all the ancillary that come along with it. So is is not why is it a maybe it's talking about whe this person was a whole whether it in fact this is a good was asked in if you want to look it up it's the was asked says I I don't understand that whole if anybody ever worked on a farm Not that I would know but would know that not every time you does anything grow. So means the person could sit there and it could be but due to natural causes it's very possible that nothing. So how could the even have a entertain the possibility ask the to the raja that maybe is a mitzvah. How could be a mitzvah? A mitzvah is the t that I'm going to head and I'm going to do a mitzvah now and I know I'm doing a mitzvah. I'm going to be because maybe in the next season when it comes time to harvest my field something's going to grow. Maybe something's not going to grow. There's 9,000 things that can go wrong that can make it not work out. So what was even the like the very much listen to the terret he says this is more than anything else but the says the terret is based on the over classic the very very end of says If a person has a to do a mitzvah and then happened something unforeseen natural causes and he couldn't do the mitzvah it's as if he did the mitzvah says he says this is if something grows and and they could bring the carbon from what grew so then it was and Even if nothing's going to grow, but they did it with the intention. There was a that something should grow and they should be able to bring the carbon. says the so anyways this is I think this is a in the world of lus and without getting too of it but the rajb is saying that this is a mitzvah even if nothing comes from it I if nothing came from it the rabb like Then it's a glory Muslim afraid. It wasn't the like the cash. It wasn't disagreeing with the he didn't say glory. It wasn't it's good. Maybe nothing's going to grow. Even if nothing grows, it's because at the very least you're holds that let's say would also be let's say that would be the sounds like in this truly he would tell you could be for maybe nothing's going to grow because even if nothing grows you're as if to allows me to look at the right now as if it's a mitzvah. So here's the digression. The digression is when the says doesn't mean he gets regular mitzvah. So a person was on his way to do a mitzvah and he he just he wanted to do it and and the he just couldn't do it. And does he get mitzvah? That's there's nothing to talk about. Does he get as if he did the mitzvah? So, you're going to tell me not. And the truth is I as soon from he brings a whole list of march list of tremendous amas where he had 10 of to the who said of course not no one said that if you wanted to do a mitzvah now said that it's literally as if you did a mitzvah it's not as if you did the mitzvah says that's why I couldn't hold the he says I've learned not that says not that way. And it's that if a person has to do a and he doesn't do it, not only is he going to get it's a nice thing. Chalk it up as something really good that this person did, but it's going to be he's literally going to get no difference between the he gets and the person who actually did the mitzvah. I'll just mention three of his. The first is in the a very well-known the discussing the mitzvah of the is also discussing that if somebody wants to do a mitzvah and somebody else cuts the mitzvah from him somebody a mitzvah from you you have to pay says it was a person who did a knife and he wanted to do he's about to do it and somebody else went quickly took the dam he covered it he did the mitzvah and he went and this person was in he told this person he got what did he steal from you he didn't steal a deal from me he didn't steal money from me he stole a mitzvah from me and listen he tried the case and he said you have to give him somebody steals a mitzvah you have to give the person a says I don't understand why he has to give him this person was ready to do the mitzvah he was somebody else stole it from him says people. So why does I have to give him said means he took it away from me. I didn't lose anything I get the same if I did the mitzvah. So why do I have to give that and say the whole terror he says that the is not related to the if it was related to the ome because this person wanted to do the mitzvah he was in it's doesn't mean you literally get as if you did the mitzvah it's just it's a nice thing you're going to get but not so that's why you had to give him so it's time to wise it's clear in the and the whole discussion of the of this that must help that means it's literal the second is discussing the ask everybody knows the mitzvah what happened to the mitzvah that you're going to Okay, what's an example of Mrs. Ru he's not going to have enough from Shim comes to Bish and he looks at the and who's the is he does he have to run to another he made from and right now and says so being that what I'm getting from is a mitzvah I don't have pleasure from doing a mitzvah I do a mitzvah because Hashem told me I have to do a mitzvah So if wants to give me money, not that I can't take from it. He wants to do a I can't do that. But a mitzvah is not a What do you mean? We know that this and one day the person that heard is going to get for this. How could you tell me it's the cash? It's the cash. What happened to Zifer? An unbelievable terrorist. He says, "Ruven walks into and Ruin wants to hear." He looks up at the and he sees that he can't hit. Why can't he hear? Because Shim is the Baltic. If Ruven's going to walk out now and he's not going to hit, is Ruven going to get he is because he's in other words when a person goes to do a mitzvah as soon as I go to to the even if I don't do the mitzvah I already get it's already when I do the mitzvah It's just the gravy. I got the not for doing the mitzvah. I got the before I did the mitzvah. I got the for being so asked, "Aren't you going to get for doing the mitzvah?" Says, "No, I got the before I did the mitzvah." This is like for the mitzvah. I get before I actually do the mitzvah. I get for being. So when it comes to the actual mitzvah, YOU'RE ACTUALLY NOT GIVING ME ANYTHING. NO. If I do hear it, I don't hear it. I'm not getting a no from you. What's the know the I got the mitzvah walking to wanting to tear I already got the mitzvah says I'll tell you a ter's famous what about is for the I don't need the mitzvah so if that's the case when I'm in the mitzvah with you I'm not getting the for the act the actual no I do it because I'm anvah that I got with or without you so what am I getting from Let's just go that's the cipher. The third cipher which yeah is in chuva where the chuva is actually it's a fascinating chuva the chuva over there it's we're going to go over an hour it's the chuva over there was sent the sh was sent to like this there was a yid he was a he brings his name and he had met somebody whose name was pashkus and this yid pashkus was talking to this and he tells the that he's very much the mitzvah of milit. a and he gets on horses and buggies and he does what he can possibly do to to be a and this tells him wow it's so funny you say that because you know my wife just gave birth to a baby a baby boy and this is going to be a bris next Sunday in my if you want you can come this heard that because he was all excited he gets on a horse and buggy says he traveled 4 hours to go to this Yeids bris. He shows up and lo and behold, it was true the wife gave birth to a baby, but it was a baby girl. Was it a baby boy? So this had made a prank on this. He traveled for 4 hours. He thinks he's going to be the M. It's unbelievable. This is a tr it's look it up. But the kids are so they they they went to the and they told the ro of the city where this was a what happened and a broke out. They said we trust this guy. I mean this he has a sense of humor but he's he's a I mean devel I mean how can we trust him and there was a big rash that they want to remove him they don't want this person to be the in the city anymore the felt it was above his pay grade so he forwarded the sh to the and he asked if this story is enough basis to remove this from his take away his not allowed to be the anymore either way the wrote a it's a short chuva and said that really in this just in general you have to look at it from two angles. Number one, there's nothing to talk about the over the so and he quotes all the but talks about how is even more than a moment. But the point is is that there's nothing to talk about this was in the then he talks about then he talks about is there any obligation that he has to give him what would be you hire somebody to do a job this person he spends money he goes out now to do the job and then he shows up and there's no job to do so there's there's there's actually a whole that talks about this the same is true for if you go ahead and you tell someone I have an opportunity for you to do a mitzvah and this person goes out to do this mitzvah. So, and now it turns out there was no mitzvah. So, there's there's a mish ramification, but there's a mishb ramification. So, says while he's discussing the latter part, the potential ramification says, "Do I does this now this is anything? Why does he own something?" Because he let him up. He made think he was going to get for doing when really he's not getting for doing no because anyways going to get for doing because he's owes him nothing from that standpoint it's technicalities but he says you want to know if he from him because this y went he with the right kavanas in his mind he thought he was even though he was never going to a mitzvah he thought he was going to do a mitzvah and being that he thought that he was going to do a mitzvah it's at the end of the day told him he said listen number one do your due diligence because don't just assume that this is what happened you have to really really confirm that the facts are the way they're being presented to you assuming you do that you have every right to remove this person you don't have to he told him but you certainly have a right to do it and and if that's what the feels they want to do what he did was was a you can force him to at the very least prove that he's done he responded to the I was just thinking that we speak out so many times every time you find all the is it as if it happened or is it not as if it happened somebody learned it's as if he's bringing So did we all bring this morning, right? I mean what's the declares if somebody's stay is it this is another so whether you get you don't get seem to hold you don't get it would seem that you do get we spoke out in the world of lumbus that if somebody was and nothing grew it would be considered avah even I wouldn't nothing ended up growing how was it even if the intent of doing a mitzvah makes it into avah I think it's a little bit more with regard it comes down to the age-old question of how far do you take The key.