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Today's daf is menaches daf samech base
and we are about 10 lines from the top
of daf samech base on
continuing to discuss the halachos of
tenufa. So the mission said the stay
halachem the snake if say atseres are
examples of a carbon that requires
tenufa. So we've learned a lot about the
stay halachem over the last several daf
and the stay halachem was the special
carbon that was brought on shavuos in
the base hamikdash. It had to be brought
dafka from the hadasha. It was a carbon
mincha and it came along with several
carbonas. Carbon which was made up of 10
animals, a carbon
which was one animal, a goat and if say
atseres two
which were a carbon shlomen. What was
unique about this carbon shlomen was two
things. Number one was a shlomen it's
the only shlomen that was ever brought.
Ordinarily when you talk about a carbon
shlomen you're referring to a shlomen
a individual is bringing a carbon
shlomen whether he's an other or for
some other reason. But ordinarily a
shlomen is a shlomen this was the one
exception to the rule. This was the
example of the shlomen another thing
unique about the snake if say atseres
was that it was kacha kadashim. So
ordinarily a carbon shlomen is kacha
kadashim. This shlomen was kacha
kadashim. Either way the mission had
said that the coin would take the stay
halachem together with the snake if say
atseres and he would do a tenufa meaning
although the stay halachem came along
with many carbonas it came along with an
hadas the tenufa was not done with all
the carbonas. The tenufa was only done
with the snake if say atseres it was
only done with the shlomen. And in the
real shlomen sugyas that we had over
yantev the gemara proved from there that
there was a special connection between
the snake if say atseres and the stay
halachem. The gemara used the term. The
gemara said there's a there's like an
energy that connect these two things.
Meaning although the stay halachem came
with many carbonos, but not all of those
carbonos have the same relationship to
the stay of lechem. It was dafka the
snake if say atzeres where the two were
very much interrelated.
Zayzeh machlokes with R' Akiva ben
Naanes and R' Shimon bar Yochai exactly
which one was ma'akev which. Are they
both ma'akev each other? But there's an
an idea of the stay of lechem and the
snake if say atzeres coming together.
And the proof to that, exhibit A for
that, is this mitzvas tnuva. Regardless,
the kohen had to do tnuva with the snake
if say atzeres and the stay of lechem.
And the Torah's going to elaborate
exactly on how this went down. Tanu
Rabbanan R' Akiva omer
alechem habikurim. Yochlin kvasim al
gabayhu. I would think that when the
kohen does tnuva with the snake if say
atzeres and the stay of lechem, so he
should take the lechem, put it on his
hand, and then put the snake if say
atzeres on top of the lechem. Talmud
loymar al shnei kvasim. The pasuk says
al shnei kvasim, suggesting that the
kvasim shouldn't be on top of the
lechem, but rather the lechem should be
on top of those shnei kvasim. Yeah,
shnei kvasim yochlin lechem al gabay
kvasim. Okay, so if it says al shnei
kvasim, so let's then infer to the
contrary that the kohen takes the
kvasim, puts them on his hand, and puts
the lechem on top of the kvasim. The
problem is Talmud loymar the pasuk also
says al lechem habikurim. It sounds like
to the contrary, the kvasim are supposed
to be on top of the lechem. In other
words, what the Gemara is saying is they
would seem to be conflicting mashmaos
from the pasuk that describes the
mitzvas tnuva with the stay of lechem
and the snake if say atzeres in terms of
whether the lechem was on top or the
snake kvasim was on top. So the pasuk in
in its entirety is the heneif kohen omer
alechem habikurim tnuva lifnei Hashem al
shnei kvasim kodesh hu lashem lakohen.
So the pasuk is talking about the tnuva
of these two parts of the carbon. It
says al lechem habikurim and it says al
shnei kvasim. And the Gemara is
essentially making conflicting diyukim.
Al shnei al lechem habikurim seems to
suggest that the Shnei Kisei HaAtzaros
were on top of the Lechem. Al Shnei
Kvasim seems to suggest that the
Lechem HaBikurim was on top of the
Kvasim. So, which one's which? Is the
Kvasim Al Lechem HaBikurim or is the
Lechem HaBikurim Al Shnei Kvasim? Says
the Gemara, Nishtako HaKvasim. It's a
draw. I don't know. Stalemate. They have
no idea. If Lechem HaGabi Kvasim Kvasim
HaGabi Lechem. Amud Shin Nun Sod
HaGemara says the Kol Makom Naflum Ailo.
So, the Gemara says, you know, we're
going to have to do we're going to have
to pull out one of the Yugdim Midrash
HaTorah and Midrash HaBen. Namatzinu and
say that just like we find in other
areas that the Lechem was the Mailo,
here too Af Kan Lechem HaMailo. Says the
Gemara, Hecho? What's this other area
where you find that this true for with
an animal and with Lechem and the Lechem
is the Mailo? Amora Pupa Bimi Loen. It
was the special Mincha that was brought
by Yibayay Mashvini and there there was
a Mitzvah of Tnufo. We had this on the
top of the Omed. Over there the Lechem
was the Mailo. So, even though from this
Pasuk itself Nishtako HaKvasim. They
have no idea. From this Pasuk itself
there is conflicting reports. Is it Al
Al Kvasim or is it Al Al Lechem? But,
Namatzinu teaches me that the Lechem is
supposed to be the Mailo. There is a
base on Melech Kvasim Mailo.
Really the Kvasim are supposed to be the
Mailo. Minei Mikayim Al Shnei Kvasim.
Either Pasuk says Al Shnei Kvasim which
seems to suggest that the Kvasim are
supposed to be the Matoh the Lechem is
supposed to be the Mailo. Lo Hotsi
Shivo. What it means to say is emphasis
is not Al Al Kvasim. This as if to say
that it's supposed to be the breads on
top. Really the Kvasim are supposed to
be on top. Al Shnei Kvasim was coming to
the emphasis on Shnei. Because really in
addition to the Shnei Kisei HaAtzaros we
mentioned earlier there were also a
Korban Oiloh that was brought. And the
Oiloh was made up of 10 animals seven of
which were Kvasim. So, there would have
been a Hava Mina that when the Kohen
does the Mitzvah of Tnufo with the Shnei
Lechem he doesn't just do it with the
Shnei Kisei HaAtzaros. Maybe he does it
with the Shiva Kisei Oiloh. Maybe those
seven Kvasim are involved as well.
Kamashmuan Al Shnei Kvasim. But, not
that it's on top of the Kvasim. It's
not. Really the Kvasim are supposed to
be on top. Emphasis more on shnay that
it's the two quasim. The shao may tzevo,
that's the part of the carbon that has a
mitzvah of tnuva together with the shnay
lechem, but the shiva quasim that was
part of the oil or not. A third shao may
tzevo or mincha shnay lechem or mincha
shnay lechem quasim or mincha shnay
lechem quasim or mincha shnay lechem
quasim or mincha shnay lechem quasim or
mincha shnay lechem. You can't make a
lechem or mincha shnay lechem quasim and
you can't make a quasim or mincha shnay
lechem. You can't make a lechem or
mincha shnay lechem because it says on
the lechem and you can't make a quasim
or mincha shnay lechem because it says
on the quasim. So you know what you do?
You put them side by side. That's what
you're supposed to do. How do you put
them side by side? So Chanina ben
Chachinai explained it. He says you take
the shnay lechem and you put it between
the thighs, between the legs of the
quasim and that's the way it was done.
On my rebbe, my rebbe commented. He said
mincha shnay lechem quasim or mincha
shnay lechem quasim. If you were going
to give an offering to a mincha shnay
lechem you wouldn't take bread, put it
between the legs of the animal and give
it that way. It would be considered much
worse. It wouldn't be a nice thing to
do. Mincha shnay lechem or mincha shnay
lechem quasim or mincha shnay lechem
quasim and the base of mikdash is
serving Hashem, the king of all kings.
That's not a proper way to do it. You're
not going to take bread, put it between
the legs of an animal. Mincha shnay
lechem quasim or mincha shnay lechem
quasim or mincha shnay lechem. What
you're supposed to do is you put one
next to the other. So not literally one
in the other. The way Chanina ben
Chachinai said, but rather one next to
the other. So rebbe said it's not so
shver. Doesn't have to be on the quasim,
it doesn't have to be on the lechem. You
put
it in but at the end of the day it says
al. I mean the whole point is is you
have to be mekayem al. I'm a liar.
Chizdai or rebbe from Nuna of Amemar or
rebbe Nuna or rebbe Chizdai or rebbe
Nachman. It's a good kasha, but it's not
a good kasha if you discuss it with
rebbe because this is rebbe Nachman that
comes up in other places in shas. The
omer al basar. Rebbe holds that the word
al means basar. Now it doesn't always
mean basar. Most times it says in the
Torah al it means on, but rebbe's shita
is that al could sometimes mean basar
and this will be another example where
rebbe Nachman is going to tell you when
it says al lechem or al quasim it means
next time you learn the braisa of mincha
shnay lechem
the context over there is
the
head
next to it. The didn't sit on top of the
bread. The
sat next to it. Now what does the Torah
say? When I sat
Rebbe
that really means
because that's the way it was.
Main was from the fact that the Torah
says that the
that separated the
and the
was
and we know it wasn't
Rashi says the whole purpose of it was
to separate between the
wasn't
that's not what its purpose was. So
clearly it was a it was just a
separation. It was a
I the Torah says so says Rebbe you see
from there that
means sometimes some of Rebbe stole the
suit to understand what he mean
what he mean the wasn't on the top of
the upon him says Rebbe because could
sometimes be this would be a third time
when Rebbe's world I'll means
again it says the bread on the the on
the bread says Rebbe
because sometimes means
so the bread are next to the the are
next to the bread. It's only a
if I'll means on top of but if I'll
doesn't have to mean on top of then
you're not going to have a
at all. So the mission went on
to discuss technically how the
was done and
going to elaborate on this.
The first thing that the would do
wherever there was a although
if you take a look at the long
suggest that maybe this is not referring
to all
but regardless says the how did happen
number one you'd be
so So coin would take the thing that
he's doing to do for with and he would
be my look. He would push it away from
him who may be and bring it back towards
him. And the reason he did that was the
mission of
to show that the new fur the carbon is
being offered to the one share
that he controls all the all the sides
of the world. Of course I could just
borrow my little mirror that he would
take it and he would lift it up and
bring it down to show the mission of
that he's offering this to the one
gracious borrow
so to show he's giving it
controls the
controls
and thus by doing this the symbolism is
he's showing with his hands that
everything that he's doing right now is
being offered up to
that really you don't have to do all
four. You don't have to be
and my little mirror once you
that's enough. Once you
that's enough because the same as
that's
is the mission of
so you don't need a double symbolism.
It's not the point is you have to show
in the
that the truth is being done for
and that's done either by maybe or by my
little mirror the
both to be
who may be and be my little who may be
the point is lots of rights. The purpose
of wasn't just
to show what it is you're doing. It was
different. The purpose of it was to
protect meaning through the new fur
and the idea was
to make sure that no is going to come.
So you take this carbon and you wave it
in the direction of the and that
prevents the rights my little mirror
to make sure that there's no bad rains
that are are going to come.
You see you see from me me
that's something that's
peripheral. It's
it's only
big deal. I do what's
but if it's not
what do I have to be so worried about
that right? Let me figure out what's
first and then I'll work it's not so
true because you see that
you never
despite the fact that never
you see the
it's
it's lots there's tremendous scholars
that are tied up in this midst of
so
was inspired and he said
this is an interesting principle that we
can take and run with and apply to other
areas of
that she midst of
as
that
the same is true when it comes to the
love of you my love you made you my love
you made it and what's the significance
you my love you made it you
my love you made it
you my love you made it
you my love you made it the same
symbolism that you had in you made it
when
the
together with the
we do the every single year it has on
when he takes the
when he would take his
he would do the following but he would
take
he would
taunt the
so to speak and he would say that this
that I'm taking right now this should be
poking your eye this is is is something
that I'm doing right now to show that
I'm somehow better than you I have
control over you but the it's not a good
idea don't try this at home it's never a
smart
idea to provoke the the Satan to awaken
the sleeping giant. So, it's better,
even though
did it, but it's not such a smart thing
to do. We'll get back to that.
Required to do
the
commotion. And the truth was done with
the entire animals. Do it right.
Because of it it was done only with the
of the animal. So, really before we
learn this next a little bit of
background. And that is that
there was a of
with
there was a
with
stating that there was a difference. The
truth was
was done only after the
of the
The mission said it.
So, that yesterday. So, there was a
with every
It was done after the
The whole of this week and now you're
going to go ahead you're going to take
different parts of of the Which parts?
The
They move them. That's the part that
went with it. The
That's the part that's been given to the
And together the
come top of the on top. That was the
But the and they move them together
there was a of The point is the truth
was done with the animal after it. When
it wasn't alive anymore. After the
animal was already offered. The
had a
of
being
And being
So, the would take these live
and have a midst of
And then after the
there would be another midst of of
Now, in the
the only says the midst of by the
while the
The the
source that we know that there was a of
by the
is learned out from the Shalmei Yachid.
So again, the Shalmei Yachid has a
mitzvah of tnuva, but it's only l'achar
shchita. It's written in the Torah. The
Shalmei tzibur has a mitzvah of tnuva
both mecha'em and l'achar shchita.
Mecha'em is m'furash in the Torah.
L'achar shchita is not m'furash in the
Torah. I know l'achar shchita from the
Shalmei Yachid. It's being that I know
and that the makor to the mitzvah of
tnuva by Shalmei tzibur is from the
Shalmei Yachid. Again, the tnuva l'achar
shchita is learned out from the Shalmei
Yachid that we have a machlokes with
Rabbi and the Chachamim that's going to
take us
halfway to Daf Samech Beis on Yud Beis,
and that's as far as this There was a
chelek and one more point really between
the Shalmei Yachid and the Shalmei
tzibur. The Shalmei Yachid's tnuva,
being that it was l'achar shchita,
wasn't done with the entire animal. So
it was done with the emurim and the
chazon and the shok. The tnuva that was
done with the Shalmei tzibur that's
m'furash in the Torah, that was done
mecha'em, was obviously done with the
entire animal. It's alive, so obviously
it's being done with the entire animal.
The question is the tnuva that's going
to be done with the Shalmei tzibur
l'achar shchita, is it going to be done
with the entire animal like the tnuva of
the Shalmei tzibur that was done
mecha'em, or is it only going to be done
with the chazon and the shok, or really
with the emurim and the chazon and the
shok?
Which are the parts of the
shlamim that the tnuva was done when it
was done with the Shalmei Yachid l'achar
shchita. So Tanna Rabbanan, is it like
Shalmei tzibur to do tnuva l'achar
shchita? Clear. V'tnufa as in Moshe
Rabbeinu.
Rabbi says tnuva as in Moshe Rabbeinu.
Look at the bottom Rashi, shlamim.
You're supposed to do it with the entire
animal. V'Chachamim say the Chachamim
say b'chazon and the shok. It was only
done with the chazon and the shok.
Doesn't just mean the chazon and the
shok. It means the emurim and the chazon
and the shok. B'may kamifligai? Only Rav
Chisda and Rav Amnun and Rav Amnun and
Rav Amnun and Rav Chisda. This isn't
just a very local machlokes, but rather
this is a global machlokes. B'doyna
meena meena, b'doyna meena, v'eeki
b'asra kamifligai. What does that mean?
Doyna meena meena means that if you're
going to learn something out from
something else, so you're learning A
from B. So you don't just learn the
basic halacha from B. You learn the
halacha from B and all this if they cut
them. You learn all the the halachas
that come along with it. So if I'm
learning A from B, when I apply B to A,
I I have to take along the whole
Shulchan Aruch of B. So however B is
done, that's how it's going to be done.
Don't mean all I keep after means I'm
doing you know I learned the basic
halacha. So if I'm learning A from B,
the basic halacha I can take from B and
apply to A. But now that I apply to A
it's I keep after. This halacha is going
to be governed not by the Shulchan Aruch
that governs B, but rather by the
Shulchan Aruch that governs A. Says the
Gemara. A real life example of this. The
Rabbanan say every
Imagine you shall be
like I shall be done by the shall be
because in the Torah itself, the Torah
only mentions true for by the snake say
I shall be done with this
doesn't say anything about I shall be
done So it's done you know we're
learning the true for I shall be done
from the snake I shall be done with this
from the shall be done and says the
Gemara
Thus, you now have to apply the whole
Shulchan Aruch of true for I shall be
done with this to the true for I shall
be done with this I shall be done
So it's true it's done you know we're
learning the basic halacha of true for I
shall be
from the shall be done
but at the same time it's I keep after
Once we learned I shall be done with
true for let's apply the principles the
Shulchan Aruch of true for that the
Torah said applies to the shall be done
Now although the Torah said it by the
true for that was done I shall be done
but at the same time don't mean all I
keep after so just like the true for I
shall be done is I shall be done I shall
be done that's way it's going to be done
even regarding the trumpha that was
done.
Another word, the machlokes of Rebbi and
the Rabbanan is the age old machlokes
which appears in many places in Shas. Do
we know or we don't know? Or don't we
know the oikiva asra?
Everybody holds do we know or we don't
know. I am a talmid of the Rebbi. So,
what's pshat then in Rebbi that holds
that the way the trumpha was done lacham
misha? What's kimosha hain? was done
shlaimem. Says the Gemara behind ki
hasam hasam davar shmatana l'kain. Av
chocha davar shmatana l'kain. Do we know
or we don't know means that you're going
to learn the basic halacha of trumpha
shalmei tzibur l'achas chita from
shalmei yachid. Umina, you have to learn
it with all the picture goods that comes
along with the whole Shulchan Aruch. So,
what's the Shulchan Aruch? So, if you
ask the man on the street, he's going to
say the Shulchan Aruch is you do the
trumpha with the chazav a shaik. You do
the trumpha with a emura. Okay, so so
too the trumphas zivchei shalmei tzibur
l'achas chita is also going to be done
only with a emura. Says Rebbi, no,
that's wrong. You know, you're not
saying properly. The takeaway, the do we
know or we don't know from zivchei
shalmei yachid is not that you only do
trumpha with the emura chazav a shaik.
You only do trumpha with the davar
that's matana l'kain. So, by shalmei
yachid, what was given over to the kain?
The chazav a shaik. Okay, so that's why
that's all the trumpha was done with.
But, by the shalmei tzibur, the entire
animal was given over to the kain. I
mean that was all because it was kodesh
kodashim. So, I mean that was all given
over to the kain. It's for that reason
that the halacha is you would do the
trumpha with the entire animal. So, says
Rav Papa, even Rebbi holds do we know or
we don't know. But, the question is
what's the umina? What do I take away
from shalmei yachid? I take away a a dry
halacha that you only do trumpha with
the chazav a shaik? No, I take away a a
svara that you do trumpha with the davar
shmatana l'kain. Okay, so davar shmatana
l'kain by shalmei yachid is the chazav a
shaik. The davar shmatana l'kain when it
comes to shalmei tzibur is going to be
the entire animal. Now, the truth is the
words davar shmatana l'kain is a little
schwach. I looked around, I saw that the
Kohain Mucho a little bit because it's
not true that the T'nupha of the Shalmei
Yachid was done with Dovesh Matana
L'Kohain. It was done with the Kohain
Gadol
which was the Dovesh Matana L'Kohain,
but it was also done with the Kohain
Gadol. The Kohain Gadol wasn't given to
the Kohain. The Kohain Gadol was given
to the Kohain. The entire Shalmei Tzibur
was Dovesh Matana L'Kohain. There's no
Cheilek that went to the Baylin. That's
true because it was Kodshei Kodashim, it
was only Nechlal Zichrei Kohuna, but
there was certainly a part of it that
went on the Mizbei'ach. I mean, if
you're taking the entire animal, there's
Dam that goes on the Mizbei'ach. So, you
have to understand what will be better,
that Loshon of Dovesh Matana L'Kohain,
but the point is well taken. Either way,
says the Gemara, "Rabbi Nassan Rabbi
Nassan says a different T'shuva than
Rabbi Nassan bar Abba bar Rabbi Nassan.
Rabbi Nassan bar Abba bar Rabbi Nassan
says, "D'I Meina like you asked for it,
that's the case, the Halacha should be
that by the T'nupha of Shalmei Tzibur
Acharei Sh'chita, it should be
Shleimin." Because what does Rabbi Akiva
say for me? Apply it to the laws of
T'nupha that we know by the Shalmei
Tzibur. The Shalmei Tzibur's T'nupha
that's before Sh'chita is the one that
was done Mechain, the one that was done
Mechain was obviously done with the
entire animal. So, what's P'shat in the
Rabbanan? The Rabbanan hold it was done
only with the Kohain Gadol. By the time
the Rabbanan Shalmei Rebu when the Torah
talks about T'nuphas Kohain Gadol by the
Shalmei Yachid, the Torah says Shalmei
Heim, it's a Rebu, it's coming to
Rabbis. Zichrei Shalmei Tzibur Shimon
ben Shimon said in the Mishna, "Shlosha
Minim, there were three Korbanos, two
and Shalosh Mitzvos, all of which needed
three Mitzvos." Shtein b'Chol Echad
Shlishi Zei Me'at. Meaning, Rabbi Shimon
said you could line up three Korbanos on
one side, three Mitzvos on the other
side. Two of the three Mitzvos will
apply to each one of the three Korbanos.
However, none of the three Korbanos will
have all three Mitzvos applied to them.
Eilu v'Eilu Zichrei Shalmei Yachid
v'Zichrei Shalmei Tzibur v'Asham
v'Tzibur. Those are the three Korbanos.
What are the three Mitzvos?
T'nupha Mechain, T'nupha l'Acharei
Sh'chita, and S'micha. Says the Gemara,
"Zichrei Shalmei Yachid T'un and S'micha
Chayav." The
>> Those are the two misses that it has.
However, the Shami Yochid did not have
Trufa Mecha.
Mecha and that's before it's on the
Torah. There's Trufa
that's pointed out from the
Doy me no.
There was no Smicha by the Smicha Shami
Tzeebor.
The Trufa
It had Trufa Mecha.
But the Trufa Shochet There was no Trufa
Shochet.
Great Gamorah of you.
Need Trufa Mecha.
Mecha.
Smicha Mecha.
Mecha.
So the time The Gamorah
Mecha Mecha once I find
in the
And that is Smicha Mecha. Then Mecha
I should know Trufa Mecha as well.
What's the Mecha Mecha? From the Mecha
Mecha. Mecha Mecha that has no Smicha
Mecha.
So the Shami has Smicha Mecha should
still have Trufa Mecha. So the Gamorah
says
The Shami Tzeebor
says the word by the Shami Tzeebor. And
it's coming to me Mecha Shami Yochid.
Mecha
Shami Tzeebor
Shami Shami
Mecha Shami Yochid She ain't doing the
Trufa Mecha. Doing the Smicha. Mecha
Shami that has no Trufa Mecha. Smicha
Shami doing the Trufa Mecha.
So we're reversing the Mecha Mecha.
We're reversing the Mecha Mecha.
If you find the Mitzvah Smicha by Shami
Yochid there should be a Mitzvah Smicha
by Shami Tzeebor. Why? Why is it What's
Why is it
because you find him by Shami Tzeebor.
if you have
so we should have
but there's only two
that had a
what
are the two
of the
and the
but the bottom line is it's two and it's
not three thus being that
was a
and
that is only two
and
that's how I know comes up to the
one final
a
become
had two what were the two it had
but it didn't have
they were
I should not
why
a
from shall
have to
it says
it's coming they only
has a
of
something else not what not
that
has no
perfect timing
one last turn around
if you come
if five people brought one carpet and
so one person could do the
on behalf of everybody else meaning we
had said earlier that
the of
we saw this in yesterday's at length was
done
in conjunction with the
that was being
and the
so how did they do it the would put his
hand underneath the hand of the and they
would put the thing that the was being
done with on top of the the hand of the
what are five people together bringing a
should could bring not all
a for example they can
as opposed to but there are that could
be
so if five people are bringing a they
don't all five start piling their hands
up and and doing but rather
person does it
on behalf of the whole uh whole Kabbalah
the Isha what about a woman call your
main if I order a coin does the truth on
her behalf again based on yesterday's
that where we saw that a woman herself
cannot do
she's excluded her carbon is not
excluded but she's excluded so what what
does that mean if the Bible always has
to do it and she's excluded and the
carbon's not excluded there it says the
coin doesn't have to be happy
If
somebody sent a carbon Medina say I am
which is in and of itself a whole lot of
sugar is a taste of the drama school of
the bottom gets involved in all the
kitchen
related to a
carbon in Medina say I am right one of
the obvious
somebody sent for example
you know
the question is if somebody sends a a
carbon from Medina say I am do you have
to be concerned that maybe it's not
alive anymore if he's not alive that
it's a commission you saw the It's one
of the
most amazing things that you have to do
with this guy or the result is this
this ties into famous maybe you don't
have to say
but either way so what do you want
so what happens if somebody sends a
carbon in Medina say I am kind of
a coin does the truth
on his behalf it's just two short
and that is number one so we mentioned
over here again the fact that a woman
didn't do it and if a woman had to bring
a carbon the coin was made of water
truth is there's one exception to the
rule there was one time that a coin did
do truth on her behalf
There is one exception when is that so
it submission very good
that you test
based on a person in the data and the
mission over there says that the mission
the woman of course was the Bible of
that's what
Kasha that's the premise of the Kasha
the Bible
is the woman so she is her carbon she's
the balance of carbon of the mission
and And mission says clearly when she
would bring her mission Kenaos, there
was a mitzvah of tenufa. And how was the
tenufa done?
The way every tenufa was done. The Kohen
put his hand underneath the hand of the
Ishah, they would put the Mincha on top
and they and they'd go ahead and they
would do a a mitzvah of tenufa. So as
much as we said that there's no tenufa
by Bnei Yisrael when it comes to an
Ishah, there is one exception to the
rule and that is the Minchas Kenaos. So
yesterday we mentioned that isn't there
an Igiyur problem? What happened to the
Is the Igiyur? So the truth is that
Toisfos in Maseches Soitah daf kuf tes
amud aleph there al hatar quotes the
Yerushalmi and the Yerushalmi asks the
kasha. The truth is Toisfos in our Sugya
daf sameach aleph amud bais brings it
Toisfos as well. Toisfos over there
argues with Rashi. Rashi says that how
was the tenufa done?
With the Ba'alim and the Kohen. Did the
Kohen do it or the Ba'alim did it? So
Rashi, the way it was mefaresh the
Gemara where the Kohen put his hand
underneath the hand of the underneath
the hand of the Ba'alim and together
they did the tenufa. Toisfos has a
problem with that because Toisfos says
that if that's the case, it comes out
that the yad Ba'alim was chaitzitz
between the yad of the Kohen and the
thing that you're doing tenufa with. And
being that tenufa is an avodah, so lo
choyra there's a chaitzitzah over you.
You're not allowed to have a chaitzitzah
when you're doing the avodah. As I said,
Toisfos has a kasha. So Toisfos says
Dibra Maskil Kohen Yachdav. Right here
in Nachas Hamachalos amud bais "Lav
dafka koma tachas yad Ba'alim manish."
The Im Kankas if it was literally if the
hand of the Kohen was literally
underneath the hand of the Ba'alim,
"Havaya yad Ba'alim chaitzitzah bein
hakeliyuv bein yada Kohen." You know
that I have a a chaitzitzah. So Toisfos
is mefaul a little bit and then at the
end Toisfos says "Uviyushalmi mashma
this with Toisfos quotes the
Yerushalmi." The "Haviy tachas yad
Ba'alim manish." The Yerushalmi it's
mashma was that way. "Oy the Kasina Gabi
tenufa Minchas Soitah." Because
Yerushalmi is in the first perek of
Maseches Soitah. And he's handling the
Minchas Kenaos, also known as the
Minchas Soitah, where there was a
mitzvah of tenufa
by the Ba'alim which was the woman. And
says the Yerushalmi and I quote "The Ein
Adover Kiyur." "Lo choyra Balasham
Bitmiyah." Isn't nice? Isn't it
disgusting? Isn't it inappropriate for
the coin to take his hand in the base of
mikdash no less? Put it underneath the
hand of the of the balance of carbon
this woman to go ahead and bring it. And
the Yerushalmi gives three to roots in.
One terrace to Yerushalmi says is maybe
mapper. They need sites. There was a
little bit of a a mapper. They would put
something very very thin in between the
hand of the coin and the hand of the
woman. And being that he wasn't touching
the
skin of the woman, but rather it was
through this mapper, so that's why it's
not clear. It's not a problem.
Alternatively, maybe coin zakin. You
bring an older coin. Someone that's
already toshash coin.
So, it's not going to bring me the
hearer. It's not going to bring me the
avera. So, the males are going to be
prompt. Sounds a little bit from the
Yerushalmi like in and of itself it's
not such an issue. The issue is more
what it can lead to. And as a result, if
you maybe coin zakin, maybe that would
be the way out. Then the Yerushalmi says
I feel the team of Yael. It being that
it's so short and it's going to happen
in such a fleeting way, it could be the
tahara is not going to be shut. But says
the bottom line is what I see in this
Yerushalmi is that it must have been
clearly the way Rashi explained it.
Because if it's not the way Rashi
explained it, what's the Yerushalmi's
kasha? Yerushalmi is asking a kasha to
Rashi
based on the fact that there was negia.
Meaning there was literally one hand is
on top of the other hand. So, whoever's
hand is on the bottom, whoever's hand is
on top, their hands are touching each
other. Rashi had a problem with the
hands touching each other. Because Rashi
held there was going to be a But says
Rashi that in Yerushalmi it's mashma
ktsas. The Yerushalmi says the reason
it's mashma only a little bit ktsas
Rashi says because it could be really
they both held it together. The hands
weren't touching, but there was still a
concern that maybe as they're you know
two people are holding a a pot. So, it's
very you talking that they can end up
touching each other. But not that it's
such mashma ktsas says Rashi that that
it was like Rashi. But the bottom line
is Yerushalmi already showed the shaila.
Yerushalmi says how you able to do it?
What you able to do tenufa? What
happened to the gear?" And the
Yerushalmi said to read the roots and
either there was a mapa, that's the
teretz, and the mapa somehow addressed
the issue, or a koyen zakein, that's
already kashash koyekh, there's no
concern of yetzer hara, or being that it
happened in such a short period of time,
it's not something that you have to
worry about. Now, the truth is that this
Yerushalmi is very relevant lahalacha
because, you know, a question that's
often asked in in business settings, is
it okay to shake a woman's hand, right?
business settings, is it okay to shake a
woman's hand? So again, I mean, you can
argue that it's it's going to happen
really, really quickly, etc., but it's
not so pashet. You see the Yerushalmi
was already worried with the two hands
touching during the mitzvah of tenufa.
Incidentally,
you know,
what if someone's wearing a glove, for
example, right? There's a lot of
stories, maaseh lecha from once upon a
time where it was mushke, people wore
gloves. But the But the bottom line is
this is above my pay grade, but But the
pashtus is it's a problem, and the and
the pashtus is is that this Yerushalmi
right here is a makor to this issue. But
one other ha'ara, and that is that the
Gemara discussed tenufa. And tenufa, you
mayla u'meivi, you mayla u'meired. The
Gemara said two pshatim, and then the
Gemara said, "Rebbi Akiva ben Yaakov
mamtli u'maasli." When he would shake
his dalet meaning, which mirrors,
parallels tenufa, he would say the
following thing. He would turn to the
satan and he would say, "Gira be'eina
de'satana." He would taunt the satan as
if to say by me taking the dalet
meaning, somehow I'm showing that I have
some
domination over you. But the Gemara
says, "Don't try this at home." "For
what will say?" "Shudasi lesko rurei
be'eina Because all you're doing here is
is you're provoking the satan, and it's
never a good idea to provoke the satan."
The obvious question is, if it's not a
good idea to provoke the satan, and the
Gemara says, "Don't do this," why did
Rebbi Akiva ben Yaakov do it? Right?
It's a good kasha. Lo choyra, why did
Why did Rebbi Akiva ben Yaakov do it?
And it says, "I found in the Seder
ha'Doros on Rebbi Akiva ben Yaakov's."
Yesterday we spoke about the Seder
ha'Doros of Rebbi Eliezer ben Yaakov. So
this is on the Amora'im. the
he asks this question, but he
supports the question with the
that pay out from the tomorrow over
there talks about
so when we have recently was one that
asked the question of somebody has two
heads, which head does he put his on? I
had the baby
was he mocked him he told him put him in
the
because what he asked him such a silly
question and as they
starting to put
a person walks in and he tells my wife
just gave birth to a baby and the baby
has two heads and it's my first born and
I have to get
and I'm not sure do I give five do I
give 10
right? So how many am I supposed to give
Siamese twins like with 1977
etc. etc.
So here we have not a lot of shots
right? So you have another so you have a
so you used to say every day give me the
stuff. So this
the
used to say when he was in the
used to say every single day says the
one day
before it happened it was
the
came down to this world he dressed up as
a physical person as a human being as an
also
and he knocked on his door and he says
I'm hungry I'm starving maybe you can
help me. So he went he took bread and he
went outside the front door and he gave
him some bread.
So the guy tells
today
today there's a lot to eat
so
he
goes
so today is a I'm going to stand at the
front door and I'm going to nibble on a
little bit and I know everybody's
sitting down and I'm standing outside.
Please invite me in. I was a little
aggressive and okay so he brought him
inside
he sat down and he gave him food.
So he put me on the couch everybody's
sitting at the dining room table they're
sitting with a fork and a knife and a
Yeah, I want to sit down also like I
know
I see you
brought him to the table.
Me and
as he's sitting there boy will start
coming out of the sudden.
And he started doing disgusting things.
He was acting
only was acting very very
inappropriately. On my way. So play my
total give shopper. So like a mansion
sit down you spoke a little sharp to
him. On my way. So he told him have a
glass of
So okay you know what I need a glass of
wine that will calm me down everything
is going to be fine. You have a glass of
wine. He brought him a glass of wine. He
didn't work out well.
So that
he started spitting. The
people in the family started getting
nervous. He
starts making a total mess and he drops
dead. The says all of a sudden a rumor
spreads all of a sudden a rumor spreads.
So going on and play my
play my play my play my killed somebody.
All right. So play my hears that he
starts running. And he hit him in the
base that was outside in the outhouse
that was outside the city. Also
the Sultan followed him there. And this
person who had just died 20 minutes ago
all of a sudden shows up. Now already
play my had seen too much. I mean this
was a nightmare. So the
as
when the Sultan saw how he was starting
to get to play my he
exposed himself. He says all right I'm
not really a poor person. He showed him
his ID. I'm the Sultan. So the says so
play my tells the Sultan my time is up.
So why do you do this to me? Why do you
scare me like this?
So he told him he says you know why I
did it? He said because what you say
everyday. You say
and and because you say that that's why
that's what provoked me and that's why I
took a little bit of revenge. So he says
so what should I say everyday? I have to
say something. You sit down I need
defense against the
you know that's my way of somehow feel
my I guess. I'm not sure. I guess. So he
said that's what I'm doing. I need I
need help against the eight Sahara. So
he told him, "No, what you should say is
lame a matter in the future. Say
baby something. A little bit more
adult. You should say baby
something." So then later I saw in the
safer in
the he explains what the tell me the
Belzer
say he explains what the safer I got
this. So he says on this
that what the was trying to tell was is
that was in the city as if he could take
on the eight Sahara himself. That's
wrong. Cuz you know
it's not possible. What you supposed to
say is
baby something. It should be more
of a lotion to feel either way this is
the the exchange between
but what started this? Why did the go
after Primo? He went after Primo cuz
Primo said in the end of the something.
So afraid to say that
he see
that the says by us in the
it's also incidentally in
with the over there brings the lights So
I have a
says don't do it. It's not don't try
this at all. It's not something that you
should do. Why not? Because
it's not good. You're provoking the and
here I have a real life story with
Primo. Where Primo used to say in the
something and he provoked the something
and and it was there was it was a very
tenuous situation. So afraid to come out
afraid to say that
what's in the
say that says two
says one maybe is is permitted every
day. Primo have a regular member call
you more give you a the something. Okay,
he did it every day.
We didn't do it every day. We
only did it on
when he was taking the
it says to say that I'm going to tell
you a different something and I found it
in the
in the something something
he says he was to the say that
and that is the is false. I'm going to
believe you. said something
the same something is something. The
something would shepherd with
and something would shepherd with
Korach, even though they both did very,
very terrible things, but their kavanas
were leshem shamayim. Satan and the
Satan went after Iyov. Why? Even the
Chazon Ish Baruch did not indict both
Iyov, because the Satan saw that
Hakadosh Baruchu was so impressed with
Iyov, and he was showing so much love to
Iyov. Omar, he said, "Chas veshalom, min
sheleila rachamim usay davar." Says,
"Till now, Hakadosh Baruchu's oyev was
who? Avraham or Iyov?" It was Avraham.
And as a result, Kol Yisrael has a
yichus, we're bnei Avraham, Yitzchak, ve
Yaakov, we're zera Avraham. Now that
Iyov was was reaching such levels, and
he was such an and he was on such a
madreiga, so the Satan leshem shamayim
was concerned that Hakadosh Baruchu is
going to start shifting his love from
Avraham Avinu towards the Satan. So,
leshem shamayim, he starts provoking
Iyov to try to get Iyov to be moreid in
Hakadosh Baruchu. By doing that,
Hakadosh Baruchu will remain with
Avraham. Hakadosh Baruchu will remain
with Klal Yisrael. So, the Satan was the
one who instigated Iyov, and the reason
he instigated Iyov, said Rab Levi, was
leshem shamayim. He did it for Klal
Yisrael. That was why he did it, because
he did not want Hakadosh Baruchu to move
his love from Klal Yisrael, from Avraham
Avinu. That's Avraham. What about
Penina? "Tischavi ki yasata tzarosa gam
ka'as ba'avur Eema." Chazal say that
every time Penina would have a baby,
she'd go to Chana and say, "Look, I had
a baby." And mom is rubbing it in a in a
terrible, terrible way. And Chazal say
that even though what she did at the
surface seemed to be horrible, but
leshem shamayim nischaver. Really, her
kavanas, I think the Vilna Gaon says
b'shem the Kotzker Rebbe that azaris is
kenas zayin leshem shamayim. Right?
Sometimes, the greatest rishus that you
find is when a person is leshem
shamayim. People blow themselves up
leshem shamayim. If it's not leshem
shamayim, you're not going to blow
yourself up, right? So, there's this
concept of sometimes it has to be leshem
shamayim, because otherwise, what's
motivating you to do it? But either way,
but Penina was also mechaven leshem
shamayim. Either way, says the Gemara,
"Dorish Rab Achava Yaakov." So, Rab
Achava Yaakov who was Rab Levi said,
Believe you said Satan opinion the same
as
he went to Papunya. That's where he
lived and he said this treasure that the
Satan who seems to be the bad guy in the
story with him was really the same as
him. So also Satan the Satan the Satan
came to Yaakov and gave him a
and he gave him a kiss. He said
I appreciate the fact that you absolved
my reputation and that you went out and
you publicly in Papunya that I'm not
such a bad guy. That really my cover was
you were
the MS that already had said but he had
He said it to the masses, right? And he
gave him a
so the Satan gave Yaakov a
says
and the
you see
and the Satan had a different
relationship. They had a Satan they had
a special relationship. He really owed
him one. This was a
so
Yaakov knew he could always call a favor
from the Satan if he needed to. As a
result he was comfortable saying the
Satan. See you're right couldn't say it
and it's not something that we could do.
You're not supposed to go ahead and say
the Satan but Yaakov based on this
Gemara
for him to do this
it would have been okay. I was just
thinking one thought this morning and
that is that it's interesting when did
this happen?
It happened on Kippur. That's what the
Gemara says. On Kippur the story with
the every single day with every single
day the Satan and
everybody sitting around they're eating
and that's how the story played out with
the Satan came after so the Satan seemed
to have a
special to come after
when his seemed to be on Kippur. So
remind me of
the talks about Umama. Umama was a
doctor and the Gemara says
Sifta D'orokia, day they used to come to
him from Shamayim, and they would give
him shalom aleichem. Every single day he
would get a good morning call from
Shamayim. La Baye, Abaye would get a
call mali yom hashabbos, every erev
shabbos. L'Rava, what about Rava? Call
mali yom hakipurim. He would get it
every erev Yom Kippur. So we know
whatever this machlokes is Abaye and
Rava, the halacha is like Rava, except
for the Yalkut Gadol. But you see that
Rava only got it erev Yom Kippur, but
Abaye was zocheh to it, Abaye was zocheh
to it every erev shabbos. Abu Umana was
even greater. Abu Umana got it every
day. And that's of course the famous
like Gadol Hador, the Gemara says "Kahu
Sh'dayteih d'Abaye." So Abaye and
Chalish Daas, who's this Abu Umana? I
mean, at the end of the day he's a
doctor. So why is this doctor, Abu
Umana,
being zocheh to something that I don't
get? And the Gemara tells about the
gadlus and the tzitzkus b'frat b'inyan
of tznius that Abu Umana had, and as a
result, the Gemara goes on and and this
famous teshuvah from Rav Moshe, right?
Rav Moshe said that even though doctors
are allowed to do their thing and and
and because they're tored b'um nosei
b'shas hashachas and k'tzas d'kayin, and
there it is, enough to be worried about
tznius, but it's not so poshut. It's not
like a just like a free rein that that a
doctor could do whatever he wants under
the the premise that it's okay, because
if it's mamash nothing, then what was
the gadlus of Abu Umana? The fact that
Abu Umana was a tzanuah when it came to
him being a doctor would not have been a
big deal. So Rav Moshe in a famous
teshuvah says "Toich d'varav" in a
classic Rav Moshe teshuvah, not for this
morning, but Rav Moshe goes and he
proves from here that it's it's not so
poshut. But either way, the bottom line
is that Abu Umana every day, Abaye every
erev shabbos kodesh, and Rava every erev
Yom Hakodesh, every erev Yom Kippur. So
you hear you see the Zevel Umana there.
You see that on the one hand, the Satan
has a special koach on erev Yom Kippur.
The Satan came after Plimo went on erev
Yom Kippur. At the same time, you see
erev Yom Kippur is a mamash segulah for
the tzaddik k'dusha as well. That you
see that Rava gets a grace from
Shamayim. When do they come down? This
is not the Satan, obviously. This is the
tzaddik k'dusha. When does it come down?
It comes down on Erev Yom Kippur. So,
Erev Yom Kippur, you see this Zelu Mazah
playing out. The Satan has a special
Koach L'chora coming to play my That's
the Gemara Kiddushin Daf Pay Aleph. And
then you see that the the Tzad Hakdusha
also has a special Koach to come down.
And that's based on the Gemara Maseches
Taanis Daf Chof Aleph. Now, it's
interesting that there's a We all know
the the Mishna, the first Mishna in
Maseches Yoma. Shivas Yamim Kodem Yom
HaKippurim Mafriashin Kohen Gadol
MiBeiso L'Lishkas Parhedrin. And
Mafriashin Lo Kohen Gadol. What does the
Mishna say? It says that they had a set
up They had to be a a backup Kohen
Gadol. Why? Because we're afraid that
maybe the Kohen Gadol would become
Tamei. If the Kohen Gadol would become
Tamei, you have to have a backup.
Somebody has to be ready to do the
Avodah. Now, what was the concern? How
would the Kohen Gadol become Tamei?
We're afraid that maybe he would be not
Maybe he would be Nimtza Keri. And if he
became a Baal Keri before Yom Kippur, it
would be a problem. And the And the
question is And the question is, how are
you talking?
I On Yom Kippur, you're worried that the
Kohen Gadol is going to be a Baal Keri?
What's What's Pasha Shana such a thing?
Not just that the Gemara talks about
someone that's really Keri on Yom
Kippur. So, what's Pasha Shana to do
with a concern? There was a Hava Mina
that the Kohen Gadol may become a Baal
Keri on Yom Kippur. So, if you take a
look in the Tiferes Yisrael and others
on the Mishna that says Asara Nisim
Naavgu BaBeis HaMikdash. And one of the
Nisim was is that the Kohen Gadol was
never really Keri on Yom Kippur. But it
was a concern, but it was a miracle that
took place that it never happened. He
asks this question. What was that? Why
is there a concern that the Kohen Gadol
on the holiest night of the year maybe
really Keri? Says the Tiferes Yisrael,
it's Dafka because it's the holiest
night of the year that he had to be
concerned. And the reason is because
there's always Zelu Mazah. And as a
person climbs in his levels of Kedusha,
the Satan has a Koach as well. Because
it always goes Zelu Mazah. So, it's
Dafka before Yom Kippur, the Kohen
Gadol, after Shivas Yamim where he was
BaLishkas Parhedrin. He's about He's
about to be the Shliach Tzibur. He's
going to go into the Kodesh HaKodashim.
He's going to bring the Sa'ir LaHashem,
the Sa'ir LaAzazel, the Kaparah Al
Yisrael Al Nashim Chatos U'Visim. It's a
When he's about to embark on this
incredible level of kedusha, it's dafka
at that time that the
has a has an unbelievable
cuz it always goes
so you're right. Ordinarily, maybe I
wouldn't even be so concerned, but it's
dafka Yom Kippur when the
is entering these
when he's coming to levels of kedusha
then now the Satan has a phenomenal
cuz it's always
so it's dafka now that we have to be
worried. It's dafka now that we have to
be worried that maybe the is going to be
right carry the
is going to be right carry below Yom
Kippur. He's in SUCH A HOLY PLACE.
EXACTLY, that's the point. Precisely
because he's in such a holy place, the
the Satan has such a
and it's going to be
so that's below Yom Kippur. On Yom
Kippur there's a
cuz the year is in a in a state of
kedusha and you have the
here you see it playing out in Kippur as
well. Every Yom Kippur is the beginning
of Yom Kippur
my
goodness
but it's not even the point. Every Yom
Kippur as the person
comes closer to the Kodesh, so
you see the
kedusha is very very strong. That's
that they give grace from Shamayim.
You find that the of the Satan comes
together. It's always hand in hand.
And one
pair of are two sides of the same coin
because if if they're going to come to
you and give you
you missed
that means there's a for the Satan to
come down as well from Shamayim and
dress up like an only and knock on your
door. Either way, That's the connection
with these two two worlds.