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Today's daf is Menachot daf nun daled
and we will begin on the last line of
daf nun gimmel amud bet. So, yesterday
daf yomi began the fifth perek of Seder
Menachot and the fifth perek begins with
a halacha kol ha'menachot ba'im matza.
All menachot had to be matza. Meaning,
the breads of the korban mincha cannot
have been chametz. If it was chametz, it
was me'akev and the mincha wasn't
kosher. With the exception of the
chametz of the todah, some of the breads
of the todah which were dafka brought
chametz, the shtei halechem, and the
shtei halechem which was brought on
Shavuot. On that note, the Gemara brings
a braisa from Rabbanan and Eima
chinitzin b'tapuchin.
The
lachmei todah that had to be chametz and
the shtei halechem which had to be
chametz, you couldn't make them chametz
using apples. Rather, they had to become
chametz in the conventional means. So,
either with yeast or some other form of
sourdough, but it had to be
leavened in the typical conventional
way. You were not allowed to use
tapuchin, apples.
In the name of Rabbi Chanina ben
Gamliel, it said that he argued and he
said that you were allowed to make the
lachmei todah and the shtei halechem
chametz using tapuchin.
that he heard in the name of Rabbi
Chanina ben Chachinai regardless of
machlokes Tana'im whether the lachmei
todah and the shtei halechem could
become chametz
al y'dei tapuchin or cannot become
chametz al y'dei tapuchin. Says the
Gemara, also how did not the Mishnah in
Seder Chometz that says tapuach
she'riskayach, an apple that was crushed
and was put inside dough
and was put inside dough and now the
dough became
chametz, the dough rose. Ha'reizu assur,
the halacha is that the karuvus is going
to be assur. Now, this Mishnah is a
Mishnah of
the discussing an apple that was truma.
Truma that's necessary with
creates taruvos issues. Now, as long as
you have have a sheer bittle, the little
bit of truma would become bottle to the
rest of the taruvos. The mission over
here is discussing whether it was enough
to be
a little bit of truma that was inside
the taruvos. Stating that the mission
says that if the truma, in this case the
tapuach, caused the dough to become
chametz, the is that even if you have
enough chulin to be
the truma, how do you do the taruvos is
going to be awesome. And the reason is
because there's a cloud in taruvos that
if it's nicker, the dover muar,
even if it's technically bottle, but if
it's nicker, if it's noticeable, if it's
impact is felt and seen, then that
negates the laws of bittle. And in this
case, being that the tapuach is the
truma, it's the dover awesome, so to
speak, and it caused the dough to rise,
it made this dough into chametz, thus
its impact is nicker, so the halacha is
that even if you have a sheer bittle,
it's still going to be awesome. Says the
mar come out, the
shouldn't this mission be totally
meaning
of
or
trugen, meaning isn't it a raya that
something that becomes are you there
tapuach is considered because if you're
going to tell me that something becomes
are you there tapuach is not considered
chametz, and it's for that reason that
the total understand
that when it's
are you there tapuachin
are possible to use as the respective
then the halacha should be that it
should be bottle because even though the
dough rose, but
if it's not considered in halacha, then
why do you have this halacha that even
if there's a sheer bittle
but the says no, it's not
the bottom
name the government have look sure me I
have it
something called like
so regular ordinary is the that if
somebody eats on
he's going to be caught then there's
something called like so which is not
coming in the purest sense that if
somebody eats it on he's going to be
caught
but at the same time it is considered
so that for example if somebody eats it
he'll be kind of
not
it's not
but it's not sure she says
it's like an inferior type of
but the bottom line is coming it's going
to be it's the it's true that
in
that when it comes to
understand if you would make them
which they have to be
it would be possible
and that's a
that all it it's not the perfect so it's
possible
and in the context of
you
wouldn't be caught if you eat that type
of
on but at the same time it doesn't mean
that it's not at all
from a standpoint if you like so and if
somebody would eat that type of
again something that became
on
he would be
the point is that everybody agrees that
on some level it's
all be it so
it's for that reason everybody agrees
that if you have a saw that has a up of
even if there's a bit of
even if there's a bit of even if there's
a bit of
even if there's a bit of even if there's
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even if there's a bit of even if there's
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even if there's a bit of even if there's
a bit of
even
Now one of the
kosher is shall be mixed up what's
Kamita Malika Hafina that was
and Kamita says
that the most difficult Kamita to do was
the Mincha and the reason is because the
Mincha had two unique characteristics.
Number one
the reason is there was no oil there was
no oil. The reason that there was no
there was no oil it comes out it was dry
and if it's dry it's much more difficult
to do the Kamita. So what was the hard
part of doing Kamita? The hard part was
they had to make sure that the Kamita
filled the three fingers that were the
Kamita but you also had to make sure
that nothing protruded because a Kamita
can't be either
or
Kamita meaning if it's missing a little
bit Kamita meaning if there's a little
bit too much. So the Kamita had to be
perfect. You had to take your three
middle fingers
scoop them and make sure that there was
nothing protruding from the sides. Now
what if there was something protruding
so the Kamita discussed how the Kamita
would take his thumb and his pinky and
he would smooth it out. Now if the
Kamita itself is of a liquidy form or
it's at least it's it's somewhat moist
it's not so difficult to do but a dry
Mincha is going to be much more
difficult. So the Kamita said that from
all the very Kamitas in the kosher the
Kamita
the reason is because it was dry.
Now the Mincha didn't have to be so hard
and the Mincha didn't have to be so hard
and the Mincha said a very big
because even though the Torah says
that just means you can't put oil but it
doesn't mean you can't put any other
liquid into the Mincha you could put
water you could put water oil you can't
like the Torah says but water maybe yeah
the reason is the Torah says that why is
there no oil?
This
is a
and we don't want the clay taste carbon
to be made with okay maybe that's a
small in Sherman in oil oil would make
the min Mahuta but my is not going to
make him a hooter regardless of what he
said that the commits of the milk is
very difficult cuz it was dry if the
terrorists says you can't put oil so you
can't put in anything that you
said no only oil you know what I put in
but my you're allowed to put in says the
at first glance would it be fair to say
that this
is
and
by
is it just a local regional my latest
regarding the house
can I put water in or could I not put
water in but rather it maybe it's a
global Shiloh and that is the master of
our commercial
or master of our liquor my shall I use
machine as we'll see this my latest
right here these two will be the topic
of today's so for now let's just go
through it briefly and as we go through
the will have a better understanding of
what these two are but for now says the
tomorrow would it be fair to say that
maybe the is anytime you need a share of
something so in this case you need a
share of
kindness you need a share of of a mix up
do you look at the share right now or do
you look at the share based on what it
had been previously meaning the min her
of the min her
is made up of
that's what the min is now you want to
go ahead and add water okay but that's
not the perfect
the perfect min ordinarily has
has
has the case of
there's no there's no
it's made up of so we go ahead now and
we say it's okay to add water now you
have to down the share make sure you
have the right
do I look at the share based on the way
it is right now based on the
and the or do I look at the share on
based on what it was supposed to be if
the way I look at the share is based on
its status right now which is made up of
the Mayan, and the Mayan somehow gets
included in the sheer comets that I
need. So, then you would say that as
long as this comets that I did is the
right sheer. As long as it's not
it's not
everything would be fine. But if the way
I look at a sheer is not
not the way they are right now, but
rather
comets hang. The way it was, and the
mental was before I added the water
merely solids. So, it has to be a sheer
comets of only solids.
And if it's missing a little bit of
solids, it's going to be or if there's
too much solids, it's going to be so
maybe that in and of itself would be a
reason that I can't add water. Because
once I add water, it's going to
manipulate the sheer of the solids. And
when we talk about a comets that's a
comets that's
I'm looking at it with only solids, not
with any water. So, the time is to go
perhaps this one
between
and
what you're allowed to add water to the
is it just a
when the Torah says no does it only mean
no
or does it mean I can't add any foreign
object? I can't add water to the maybe
really it's totally a much bigger
it's totally a
all again the is going to go through
other simpler applications of this
but do I look at a sheer
or do I look at a sheer as
I look at a
to extend I'm allowed to add water then
you look at the sheer comets based on
what it is right now. So, as long as
right now it's not it's going to be
fine. So, there's no reason I shouldn't
be able to add water. But if I look at a
that means the sheer has to be before I
added the water. Before I added the
water, I have to have a full comets of
solids. Once I add water, I'm playing
around with that. That in and of itself
would be a reason that it should be
possible. But says the the
you look at it based on the way it is
right now. So, based on that everybody
should hold that it's okay to add water.
What then is the question? get the
my favorite
Had to be
it means
dry in the sense that there's no oil.
No dry means dry. You're not allowed to
have anything in it. Regardless we
mentioned over here, but there again
to start them and how you look at it. Do
you look at it sheer Kim
or do you look at it sheer Kim?
So the is going to digress now for an
entire it's going to take us literally
on to
this in all
Kim or
we learned in a
and this is a
in the
book.
If somebody had meat of an
she did he cooked it and because he
cooked it the
the meat the sheer the size of it
expanded a little bit it blew up.
Older animal that was cooked and when it
cooked it shrunk. So the question now is
is do I have a sheer
regarding
or not? So we know that
becomes
if it has a sheer of ordinarily when you
talk about and
you're thinking in terms of
when it comes to
because
there's a few exceptions ordinarily
you're thinking in terms of it. is not
is not
so
does that mean that
can't become if they have less than a
what about
when it comes to spoken a lot about
that. What does it mean that it only can
be
but just to keep it simple let's assume
a meat that
cannot become unless you have a sheer of
a so you had over here was is you had
meat that either expanded or shrunk
because of some of something that you
did to the meat. The question is when I
done does it have a sheer regarding do I
look at it based on what it was before I
cooked it or do I look at it based on
the way it is right now? So says the
Mishnah, it's a Mishnah in the second
paragraph of
possible English and
the question is what's the right gears
in this Mishnah? Rav Rav
Mishnah commercial and the right gears
in the Mishnah is commercial meaning you
look at the way it is right now. If
right now it's a bear it's going to be
Tommy to my
if right now it's not a bear it's not
going to be Tommy to my
brother
Mishnah and we come
up with a way to look at the way it is
right now but rather you look at where
it was. So if when you stuck it into the
pot before you did anything to it if it
had a sheer of bear then it's going to
be Tommy to my if it didn't have a sheer
of bear it's not going to be a Tommy
incidentally if you look at these names
a little bit more carefully so these
were good
good
you have Rav on one side small on the
other side Rav
on one side and by Rav on the other side
Rav by Rav both come be them of Rav the
both probably plucked them and then you
have Rav on one side and we
on the other side either way so
in the gears in this Mishnah
is it
or is it
very big
these are diametrically opposed
understandings of the Mishnah do you
look at the way it is right now or do
you look at it the way it was previously
but what makes you possible English
possible didn't have a sheer of
and then you did something to it and as
a result it expanded
and now it does have the sheer what's
the
price of
the time
when
it didn't have the sheer if anything
touched it it's going to be tough but we
come
from the time that it was already tough
if something touches it it's going to be
tough so you see clearly that you look
at it you come
you look at the way it is right now you
don't look at it the way it was you only
look at it the way it was if you done it
with
but if you looking at it we come
then you look at the way it is right
now. So isn't it a
to those that hold like a hand? If you
take a look at
Rashi says that
it's a race that holds like a hand. I
don't know why only picks
it's really a on
and
the and
but the bottom line is
it's a on the that holds you look at it
the way it was
see from here you look at it the way it
is so the says
deals and my mom going to hold that
really this holds you look at it like a
and being that
it didn't have a share really I said to
be taught the reason the says that
going to be
is only he
said for the promise that is safe
the price is the same is going to be
true regarding
the I have
dealing with the level
I understand people and
and the beer in the cash is that people
and both carry with them a chorus and
that's possible The understands that the
only time there would be a chorus for
someone that is having
is if he is over he violates the heavy
on the level but if somebody violates
the heavy on the level for that is not
going to be chorus so if the says that
this is true for and
it sounds like from the steam have
that will even be chorus which seems to
suggest that we're dealing on a
level we're not dealing with the
so
when the price is says
it means even
so because the way you look at the share
is the way it is right now and right now
it has a share I don't care what was I
look at it the way it is this second
like a hand like and
and
I understand the application to people
and
I really am
but if you get to tell me that really
look at the way it was like
and
but when we say
we just mean and
people and
it could be a people and with
do you have chorus when it comes to the
rabbonim? So the Gemara says, "Aimo
v'heimo d'tumah s'pickle v'heimo d'tumah
s'nice." When the braisa says "pickle
and nice", it doesn't mean the key of
pickle and the key of nice, but rather
what it means is tumah s'pickle tumah
s'nice. And that's based on a mishna in
Maseches Zevachim that says that the
chachamim will go through tumah on nice
and on
pickle. So in addition to all the sugias
that you have regarding pickle in
Maseches Zevachim and Menachos, that
injury to insult or insult to injury,
what you also have is you also have
tumah. Oh, by the way, if a kohen
touches pickle, he becomes tamei. If he
touches nice, he becomes tamei. Now that
tumah s'pickle tumah s'nice, of course,
is only d'rabbonan. And that's what the
braisa is saying. What the braisa is
saying is is that not only if it
expanded the food there to a shiur
beitzah, is there going to be tumah
mid'rabbonan mikol lav ba. You're also
going to have the tumah of nice because
if it was pickle and nice,
we're going to say that now it becomes
tamei as well. Why would you think tumah
s'pickle tumah s'nice is different than
ordinary tumah s'nice?
So could I come in and I would have
thought "Hey, but tumah s'pickle tumah
s'nice is d'rabbonan." Being that the
whole tumah is a fabrication of the
rabbonim, it's only it's only
d'rabbonan. It's not a d'oraisa dig a
dig. It's all d'rabbonan. They're the
ones that instituted this whole tumah.
On a d'oraisa level, there's no such
thing as tumah s'pickle tumah s'nice. So
kuli alma d'rabbonan lehavi d'rabbonan.
I would have thought the rabbonan
weren't machmir on their own d'rabbonan.
Kamashma lan that that's not the way it
is. The bottom line is we have a
machlokes again between the gedolei
gedolei amei roei. If something didn't
have a shiur and now it has a shiur, or
something had a shiur and now it doesn't
have a shiur, and you want to know with
regards to the tumah s'ochlin
she'shiurei b'kebei, a mishna Maseches
Uktzin, do you look at it based on the
way it is right now, or do you look at
it based on where it was? Some hold kim
b'shein, you look at where it is right
now. Others hold lik b'shein, you look
at it where it was. Kind of like the
Gemara having a forsh braisa. A braisa
says that if I had something that didn't
have a shiur and now it has a shiur, so
it's totally solid. That's the posture.
And it's going to be
Why is it totally
Firstly, if you look at it the way it is
right now. Okay, right now it has the
shear. That's why it's totally
But if you look at it the way it was,
who cares that now it has the shear? So,
the camera you hold, you look at it the
way it was, then it's possible. If you
hold it the way it was, you're going to
have to say it's possible." I mentioned
nicer and bigger those that they rise
bigger ideas. Thomas nicer, Thomas
bigger. That's what I mean. And those
are not the right ideas. Those are not
the right ideas. Those are not the right
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right ideas. Those are not the right
ideas. Those are not the right I'll
bring you a raya from the next part of
that price. The boss came to show you
the shear. This is the opposite case.
Here the boss came and had the shear. It
was all cooked because it cooked, it
shrunk. And now it's a shear. So, what's
the
problem? The shear
is going to be totally solid. But the
shear is going to be totally solid. But
the shear is going to be totally solid.
But the shear is going to be totally
solid. But the shear is going to be
totally solid. the problem? The shear is
going to be totally solid. What's the
problem? The shear is going to be
totally solid. What's the problem? The
shear is going to It had the shear. You
see, you look at it the way it was. You
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is going to agree that was the first
touch my the right from the first prize
so mid rabbonim everyone's going to
agree that mid rabbonim it's going to be
Tommy keep leaking what's the mark like
is you going to tell her by cashier
there was a sheer with some mark and
then it shrunk because of it
and then it expanded again so it
right now has a sheer but there was an
interim time when it didn't have the
sheer what's the shiloh another you say
this shiloh the matter yesh
the matter
and
so we're very familiar with the concept
of the because it's a culture term and
that is something that is possible
to be used as a carbon it's possible
carbon even if that so later goes away
the carbon remains possible it takes on
a life of its own it's what's known as
the
something that was once
remains forever though now there's
shilohs if something's
is there a doctor when it comes to
shalom plastic tomorrow we say regarding
the laws of
but that's the basic gist of the that
once something gets pushed away even if
later the circumstances that pushed it
away no longer exist but it doesn't
matter once you're pushed away you're
forever pushed away that's the concept
of of the regardless time is the in this
case with something had a sheer for
and now the sheer went away it's not
there anymore and now something happened
again that it suddenly does have the
sheer so the shiloh is do you say that
once it was
once it was less than the sheer at that
time it was
I don't care that later was
why because there's
even though we're not dealing with
it's not a even though we're learning
but this is not a
this is the laws of
and she
as it relates to
but the point is is that just like this
Allah of when it comes to caution is a
lot of when it comes to Israel as well.
In other words,
I don't know anything about
so once it gets pushed away, I don't
care. As long as right now it has a
sheer, that's enough to say that there's
going to be a
so the child is not whether
or
so much as it is whether
or
so we completely change the nature of
the fundamental principle that these
were arguing about. We thought it was a
but
it's still a
but
it's still a but
but
it's not
but rather what it is is
so much as it is whether
it's possible to hold
it's true and there's a concept of
by you find it as well by the way but
but in terms of
is there anyone that holds the issue
So you have a a sheer of that's totally
You left it outside and now it shrunk
thus it doesn't have the sheer anymore
to hide it.
It tossed you now it expanded again to
make now the law has become What's
the bottom line? You see that even
though it had once shrunk and it was
once at a point where it would not have
been
but once it's
that law is you have all over again. In
other words,
so
is it possible that this holds the issue
and
the law says
in other words, checkmate. So the law
says
I'll bring you a rival
to the original side. So again, we
started off with the shilo of kim
mosheyn or licho mosheyn. Why are we
talking about the shilo of kim mosheyn
or licho mosheyn?
Is it okay to put mayim or is it not
okay to put mayim?
And that's where said that we know
kimitzu was one of the kashas
because the
was dry. There was no oil, there was no
water, there was no ingredient inside
the right there. And as a result, it was
very difficult to do the kimitzu. Rabbi
said no, it wasn't so hard. Well, you
can make it just as moist as you can
make an ordinary one. I am not allowed
to put shavin. Yeah, shavin you're not
allowed to put. But you're allowed to
put water. Of course, the one with the
shilo. So the thought maybe the shilo is
when you done the sheer minutes
after adding water. Would you look at
the sheer based on the with the water?
Or do you look at the sheer based on
where it was before the water? Is it kim
mosheyn or is it licho mosheyn? If it's
licho mosheyn then adding water would
create a shilo of
yosher. As a result, the suggested
And the in the same breath, literally on
the same line
that's not what the shilo is. Nothing to
do with that. Could be everybody agrees
kim mosheyn. The question is when it
says that
From there the digress. We mentioned the
shilo of kim mosheyn, licho mosheyn to
another application. And that is the
oktan where the mission actually uses
the words kim mosheyn. And a big shilo
in maron is the kim mosheyn or licho
mosheyn?
But the bottom line is is a shilo over
there if you had oichel that needs to be
in order for it to be tame. What happens
if it wasn't and now it was mayim? It
wasn't mayim or in the reverse it wasn't
and now it is. So what is that impact
from a cycle in the cave? I thought very
simple, came by saying only came by
saying but the cave replies this way,
replies that way and the bottom line is
the cave said that child is something
else. It's a child of yesh the cave is
sore or in the cave is sore. The cave
says touch my or bring you a riot to
this child of came by saying or in the
cave by saying from a third area in the
cave
and that is the cave is of my sister.
Says the mission of tormenting and our
heart grows. You're allowed to take
tumor or my sister as we'll soon see
from pain and things are allowed to grow
gross on behalf of dried figs but only
the minute only way you're allowed to do
it is based on minute. And really the
the background to this hollow core which
is a taste after
in the sister's tumors is that there's
really three ways you can take my
sister. So my sister has to be 1/10. My
sister mission is 1/10 of your produce
supposed to give to the lady.
Ezra can't believe it but
you're supposed to take 1/10 of your my
sister and you're supposed to give it to
the lady. How exactly do you assess the
10th? So a 10th of what is a 10th mean?
So it means if I have 10 apples, I have
10 figs, I take one. So there's three
ways you can do it. You can do it either
the minute, the meter or the mission.
The meter would mean yeah, you have 10
apples, take one, give it to the lady.
Nine for me, one for you. That's the way
it would work. The meter would mean that
you measure. You measure the apples and
you take 1/10 of the measurement, you
give it to the lady. 9/10 you keep for
yourself. The mission would mean you
wait. You would wait and you would take
9/10 of what you wait you keep for
yourself. 1/10 you'd go ahead and give
away. Now the truth is the perfect way
of doing it
has all said was either the meter or the
mission. The minute is sort of the cop
out way of doing it. But the minute
allowed you to do the minyan way. And
the reason is cuz at the end of the day,
the numbers are all going to be very,
very similar. It should pretty much work
itself out, right? Because you're always
being
asked there from one man on behalf of
another man. It's apples on It's apples
to apples, right?
Not apples to oranges, right? That's the
way it's supposed to be. And as a
result, so it whether it's midah or
whether it's mishkal or whether it's
minyan, give or take within very, very
small room for error, it's going to end
up being the same number anyways. So,
even though the perfect way of doing it,
this is important to understand this
Sugya, is bemida ubemishkal, but you
could do it really in one of three ways.
You could do it beminyan, bemida,
ubemishkal. Stating that, Zokh the
Beraita
in Masekhet Terumot, if somebody was
being torem
from te'enim
on gregros, now te'enim are figs and
gregros are figs. The difference is
te'enim are figs, gregros were pressed
figs. They're already dried figs. Once
you have dried figs, the figs, they
shrink. Rashi says that they shrink with
a ratio from one to two. So, if you want
to look at it from a size or a weight
standpoint, one regular gezinte fig is
going to equal two gregros, two
eiskeklapte figs. That's pretty much the
way it's going to play itself out. As a
result, if you're going to do the
ma'aser bemida ubemishkal, you're going
to end up with issues. So, think about
it. If you're going to take a regular
fig and you're going to be torem on
behalf of the dried figs, so for 10
dried figs, if you're using the mida or
the mishkal, being that it's a one to
two ratio, you're going to end up being
ma'aser a half a fig. A half a fig on
behalf of 10 is the wrong number. It has
to be one on behalf of 10. It's for that
reason the Hakhamim said over here you
can't use mida. You can't use mishkal.
What you have to use is minyan. And if
you use minyan, it's going to be fine.
Why is it going to be fine? Because then
it's going to be one fig. It doesn't
matter if it's dried or if it's not
dried. At the end of the day, for every
10 you're going to take off one and
you're going to keep nine for yourself.
Says Zokh the Beraita, "Tormin te'enim
al hagregros." But, here's the key word,
minion. So, it's like the gregoris, but
here's the gregoris
when it comes to all shiyurim. Whether
it's the shiyur of the coin, that's how
this all started, or whether it's the
shiyur of gregoris as it relates to
gregoris, or
whether it's the shiyur of the fruit as
it relates to the laws of gregoris. You
always look at it like gregoris, the way
it was, not the way it is. Then I
understand the gregoris why when you
maintain all that gregoris, so you have
to do it be minion. Because these
gregoris were once regular gregoris. And
if you're going to go and use gregoris,
it's going to come out that you're not
being gregoris the proper shiyur.
But if it's supposed to be all shiyurim
the way they are right now, then what's
the problem of doing it this way? In
fact, you should have to do it gregoris.
You shouldn't be allowed to do it
gregoris. Because if you're going to do
it gregoris, you know what's going to
happen? You're going to end up
giving too much gregoris. You're going
to end up giving too much gregoris.
Because essentially from a gregoris
standpoint, which is the perfect way of
being gregoris. That's why this is
important, because the only way to
understand this
gregoris. The real way to do it is
gregoris. If you're going to do it now
gregoris, it's going to be double the
gregoris based on that one to two ratio.
If that's the case, you're giving twice
the amount of gregoris you were supposed
to give, and that's a bad thing. You
see, what do you mean? I give gregoris,
right? I I want to give more gregoris.
It's not so it's not so gregoris. Yeah,
maybe with gregoris,
tell me all the gregoris. Ask your local
rabbi. But that's because there's no
gregoris implications. But when it comes
to gregoris, when you're dealing with
laws of gregoris,
it's not so simple to be gregoris. In
fact, it's a gregoris.
If someone gave more than a tenth of his
gregoris, gregoris,
the gregoris
gregoris,
but the gregoris itself is messed up.
It's gregoris. Why? The gregoris is like
this. If you give more than a tenth of
gregoris, so let's say you have
10 figs, and you take off instead of
one, you take off one and a half, or you
take two, or you take three. So now you
took off three figs, let's call it,
right? So the seven figs that you left
are not tevel anymore cuz b'chlav
u'v'saimanah, if I took off 30% included
in that is the 10% that I had to take
off, so there's no issue to tevel
anymore. Where you run into problems is
that the three that you took off are not
on ma'aser. Only one of them is ma'aser.
And number one, number two, the one
that's ma'aser didn't make the other two
that are not ma'aser not tevel anymore.
Cuz when you were tairum, when you were
ma'aser, all you were being ma'aser on
behalf of was the ones that were
remaining. But the ones that I took off
I never had in mind to be ma'aser for.
So then nishtehina nishteha, they
weren't they weren't left over in the
kri so that we should say that what I
took off was ma'aser on the its behalf.
At the same time it wasn't chamishah on
it. As a result, the ma'asers themselves
are going to be tevel. If the ma'asers
themselves are going to be tevel, so now
I have tevel u'or with my ma'aser. So
says the Gemara, peiros u'm'sukonim,
whatever's remaining is fine, but the
ma'aser itself is going to be m'kuko.
Says the Gemara, elo ma'aser, this is a
a raya that you go k'mo she'hay, because
if you it's a raya that you go likemo
she'hay, cuz if you go k'mo she'hay,
then it shouldn't be okay to go ahead
and do it b'minyan. Because by doing it
b'minyan, you're being a marbeh
b'ma'aser. Elo says the Gemara, ma'ay,
k'mo she'hay is again telling me okay,
so you have a raya for me then it must
be likemo she'hay. Elo says the Gemara,
take a look at the case of grogeros and
the middle one is ma'aser in the reverse
case. What happens if you're taking
grogeros on behalf of tainim? So then
you're ready to do it b'meisah. Feig
says the Gemara, eya am bishlamo k'mo
she'hay. Bishlamo if it's k'mo she'hay.
Shapra, you look at it the way it is
right now. I got why you can use meisah.
Eliyahu am b'likmo she'hay. But if you
tell me you're supposed to look at it
based on the way it was, again you're a
marbeh b'ma'aser.
Elo says the Gemara, must be halacha
this Tosefta m'saches trumah u'ma'aser
u'gedolah skinan. It's talking not about
ma'aser, but rather it's talking about
trumah gedolah. The ratio by in Yaffa,
the safer by in Yaffi. What's the
difference if we're talking about
trumagidola or my sir? It's a very big
difference. My sir is 1/10. My sir has a
scientific number. Truma is chitas
patara as agreed. Truma is far as Yaffa.
There's an
iron rod. There's a concept of a
banality. There's different ways of
giving truma, but it's not a perfect
science. Where it's a perfect science
such as my sir, so then you have issues
of being married to the my sir.
You have to know is it kimoshain or is
it likimoshain? That's what this whole
aforementioned discussion is relevant.
But says the gamora from this brice of
the ratio and the safer together it's
much that we're not talking about my
sir, rather we're talking about truma. I
mean that we're talking about truma,
there's there's no issues. I why does
the mishnah want me to do it one time
this way, the other time the other way?
What's the difference if I'm being
mafres from the tainam or the gregers or
the gregers on the tainam? If there's no
science to it anyways. If it's anyways
chitas patara as agreed. Says the gamora
it's all in the realm, it's all in the
world of iron Yaffa. There's a concept
of being tied up in Yaffa. And then
hanami
it's not something that's make ready.
But the gamora says I'm a safer. There's
a safer that I have to honor the words
of
Rabiosi. He said I have a whole lot of
esrogas of who is Rabiosi's father? Who
is his
the time of Rabiosi he says Rabiosi used
to take 10 esrogas of
10 esrogas of
altishin color and he would use that for
the 90 that were remaining in the color.
What's the kasha? Very obvious question.
What's the kasha? The even trumagidola.
If we're talking about trumagidola,
esther my ability. Why is it 1/10? The
brice itself said to the animal gregers.
We thought truma means my sir. And my
sir no it means truma. If it's my sir it
has implications to our
if it's truma then it's just a shiva of
iron Yaffa. It has no real implications
on our
but the gamora says that has a safer and
the
brings a nice
with an eight dollars of Rubble also
Rubble name of father of YC who's
discussing the same
figs versus dried figs and he's talking
about a tent. Obviously we're dealing
with dealing with mice. So now we have
to go and reassess everything we just
said in light of the show you love Kim
or Shane or Liam or Shane but the says
it's not
and although Rubble YC was talking about
a tent where he may be meant was still
true. But not regular true mature
master. Rubble true master again, what's
true master? So after the Rubble got
mice
he had to now take 1/10 and give it for
true master. And even though his Rubble
was 1/10 but as we'll see now his 1/10
is not like the mice 1/10. It's much
more similar to the laws of true. The
laws of true master mirror according to
some sheet is the laws of true Rubble
Tanya Rubble
the Torah talks about true master true
master Rubble which suggests two types
of true.
True master Rubble Rubble true master
so the possible was not then true master
Rubble and true master
Rubble my the same true master Rubble
tell us Rubble
true master Rubble tell us Rubble Rubble
Rubble Rubble
number one Rubble made you don't have to
measure it Rubble Rubble Rubble you can
take your best guess in it and give true
master Rubble that way. The same as true
for true master additionally true master
Rubble is tell us Rubble master Rubble
so true master Rubble is Rubble master
Rubble additionally Rubble master Rubble
Rubble Rubble true master Rubble Rubble
this concept of but the bottom line is
just because Rubble Rubble YC
said that Rubble Rubble Rubble in the
same case Rubble Rubble
and Rubble Rubble Rubble Rubble Rubble a
tent doesn't necessarily mean that he
was talking about mice Rubble. He too
was talking about true Rubble
Rubble thus you can't bring any Rubble
but the Rubble says it's not true. You
can still bring a Rubble Rubble with
this. Rubble Rubble Rubble is that true?
What did Rubble Rubble Rubble say? So
Rubble Rubble Rubble was being Rubble
true Rubble very true
not true
not my situation it was true my
situation and what did he used to do
what was his minute was
now clearly he was trying to get it 110
and even though it doesn't have to be
110 you're right because it's
but I mean just like
but at the end of the day what was he
trying to do?
He
was trying to get it as 110 and what was
the 10th that he was doing? He was
counting he was being a communion so
that
at the end of the day we could still be
because
the way it was sharper than I understand
that he's taking 10
figs on behalf of 90 regular figs and
even though based on the meter and the
Mishkol it doesn't work but it works
based on the reason he's working on the
minion is because he understood that you
have to
based on the way it was so even though
right now from a meter and a Mishkol
standpoint it doesn't work but you don't
look at where it is right now you look
at where it was and once they were all
and that's why he was doing it but
if you look at
because the 10 that he took were already
as a result they were pressed figs if
they were pressed figs it was half the
size so he was taking it's like he was
taking off five on behalf of the 90 not
10 on behalf of the 90 says the
isn't it at the end of the day
look at my situation
it's not
great so you have to look at the
situation
after this whole
where we go down this journey of laws of
my situation Mishkol my situation
the bottom line is as it relates to the
basic
the basic of
or look at my situation at the end of
the day being that you could make it
back, you have you have to work out the
but that you can make it back to
at the end of the day, that's why it's
different.
You do see from the
that's only because the
was transient or at the very least the
status quo was something that you could
very easily undo. But when you have a
that you can easily undo, over there the
bottom line is we had a over here of
every time you have a
it was once like this and now it's like
that. like that now it's like this. You
look at the way it was, the good old
days, or do you look at it based on the
way it is right now? We have three
three completely different
the first one was
a
of the
you add
maybe it's totally
the second was
with regards to the
of
and the third is a
trueness and that is with
being
what happens if you
from one thing onto another thing where
one shrunk such as
pressed figs which are
shrunken from the way it is naturally
and the other one is in its natural
state. So the question is is from a from
a standpoint you can't give too little
then still going to be you also can't
give too much cuz
but my
these were the three areas in
but this is