Menachos 51

Today's and we are nine lines from the bottom of today's being learned as Bento. So we're moving along in dealing with theim half of specifically we're learning how is related to the so one of the subcategories of the carbon was the which was brought every single day in the B mikdash by the kavan was unique in that it was one ma but it was brought in two parts. So half of the was brought in the morning. The other half was brought in the evening. Today's DA is going to continue to discuss different related to the how exactly was the of the prepared. Now why is this a question? Every you have to know how it was prepared. But you don't have uh a limud in shas that talks about each one of the mas and exactly how they were prepared. It's because if you take a look at the pk the pekk describes the masin as minas which means that it was fried in the pan. Additionally the refers to the as which means that it was baked. In other words, the on the one hand was fried. On the other hand, it was baked. Hence, the question is which happened first? Was it fried first and then it was baked or was it baked first and then it was fried? It says the wasab first they would bake it and then afterwards they would do this in the said in the name that it was done just the opposite. First they would do the teun and afterwards they would bake it. So it's which one came first according to the name of his greatb according to says I think it's like me and the reason is because the pik says it says that had to be baked but it uses the rather unusual word of tufi doesn't just say it adds the at the end. And you know what that's coming to say what it's saying is that at the time that it's baked, it should be N. It should be nice. It should look shame. Now, in the event that you're going to go and you're going to be metagen at first and afterwards you're going to bake it, the tiggon is going to make the min look a little dirty. It's going to make it look messy so that when you bake it, it's not going to be something nice that you're baking. Must be said, I think the word is like said, you know what? I think the same word, the same exact that you're making is actually a riot to me because I think means it means that at the time that you bake it, it should have been a little cooked already. If you're going to bake it first and then be metagenets at the time you bake it it's completely raw. If however it's so at the time of it was already not it was already partially cooked. Thus I think it's a to me this of that it's so whether again everybody agrees because it's called the says everyone agrees because it says the question is which came first was it first of that's said or the first that's said and the said that both of these seem to be rooted in a in the P because when the PK describes the fact that he's supposed to make it it says so the nay is not nice which would imply you can't be metag before you bake because then it's not going to be nice whereas Raasi said it's not mil as in nice, it's no as in half cooked. By the way, what's the mccard being half cooked? The ter says that you're not allowed to eat the carbon pes half cooked. So if it had to be half cooked at the time of the must be first metagen what it means is a little bit then it means no at the time that you bake it should be nice these are literally these two sheet in this says a third he says that when they used to bake And they would bake it multiple times. They would bake it twice. What's the says he holds both he holds that means that it's supposed to be no somewhat cooked which means first you have to be metagenate but it also means n which means first you have to bake it. So which one is it? Oh the ter you must bake it twice. So the first baking is going to be the second baking is going to be. So he holds like both into and there means later as it relates to the used to bring every day in the BT the kneading and the preparing and the baking had to be done inside the number one. Number two. Traditionally the of the wasab says the how do we know and we said a few things we said and we said it's but as will be in the is referring to the fact that the how do you know that it's so again preparing the involves you're being metagate you're being and the question is how do you know it's says said it says in the this is the magic word and we learn from there that after you bake the it has to look very nice now if you're going to tell me that you baked it the day before meaning that was born on Shabas was baked before Shabas because the itself is not for Shabas well if that's the case then It's going to come out that by the time you're bringing it right by the time you're being mid it's already going to be a day old which means it's going to be a little bit fashion it's going to be a little bit spoiled except for the fact that the which means that it has to be nice after it was baked when does it have to be nice at the time they be mak it must be the day after it's already nice which wouldn't be possible if you're going to bake it day one and you're going to go ahead and be makit on the other day. In other words, must be that you're going to bake it on the same day that you being that there was of the was done on Shabas. Must be that it was baked on Shabas. I don't know if that's right. I'll tell you. Are you going to tell me if that's the case? How's it going to be? How's it going to be? The answer is is you're going to preserve it. You'll This is the proverbial uh refrigerate it but you're going to figure out a way to preserve it to keep it fresh for the following day. So just because they doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be either way this is the first how you know that the of the says and what does mean at the time of the it has to be which by the way this is the third that we've had in the first was that at the time that you're baking it it should be meaning it has to be nice at the time that you're baking it it should have been partially We cooked already. You should have been it after the it should be enough. But either way this is the first part second they had a bracelet they had a different it says the word is extra and it comes to teach me that says calls it and it's coming to compare it to the carbon and the carbon was brought on this. This is also brought on. If you look carefully at the marsh is we compare it to the so what was the so the was the carbon that was brought together with the carbon tot which we know of course was the so together with the carbon there was that was brought it was known as the either way it's it's treated like the a fourth and we learn from We learn from there that it requires a right. So we know that had to be put in a now if you're going to tell me that it was baked already from the day before it's going to come out. It's possibly meaning from we learned that it had to be baked in a cliches and once it's baked in a cliches if it's left overnight it's going to be right once something is in Scottish you can't leave it overnight. That's what we know as 101. So it's for that reason from the fact that we know that it had to be baked inside a cleis this is a that it must have been baked on the same day that it was brought must be that it could not have been done the day before. So the bottom line is we said that the specifically the was how do we know it? So if you take the tally we have formus rafa said it's from the word to has to be nice at the time they be mate of today old it's not going to be so nice anymore said it's from said that we refer to it as a it's like that was brought with the carbon which we know was said it was baked in a if you're going to bake it the day before then it's going to be in which case it's going to be a problem. So from the forbim says the gar we have a bryer that supports ra. Now this bryer that the garra is going to bring now supports raa is going to digress and take us really all the way on to base. So we'll see that this bryer is one of those bryes. It's a long bryer where which has a little bit of an obvious question on it which is going to force the gam to do a deep dive analysis of it which is going to result in three different understand. So so this is a fun price. So really we're bringing this which we're going to be able to prove from the very very first line. So again the first line is the tan kavas. We'll read the first line, speak out, and then we're going to dive right into the rest of the and really the rest of the supports. That was what said and he said if it's that means you can't bake it today and be tomorrow because by definition it's but either way it's that very first line that's so it says the word of from there we learn that you have to add additional shemen to whatever she would have thought that there was going to be. So the mas was a mas right we said that it was prepared in the mas like a regular additionally it was baked but it was a regular mas every mas required she right like or like almost required she so from the fact that the says that understood that that mention is extra and the reason it's extra is because it's posit that it requires if every requires and this is a mbas so why would you think this is any different why would you think this would not require so the bis says that for sure the word is extra and it must be it's coming to teach me that in addition to the obvious amount of shemen that you need because of the fact that it's a but really it needs even more shemen than that there's a ribly of shemen that the Torah is telling me you need by telling me because again the teach me that you need I know without the word must be coming to teach me that not only but even more she would have thought of says the price of any day but just from the fact that the says I don't know how much you need in addition to the regular needs says the so in logic I would think the following it says the it says regarding the that's the word just like over there for the there was three of I would think that this year the amount of she that you need is three login meaning's coming to teach me an extra amount of shem and how much extra I don't really know from the fact that it says the word bashm in here and it says the word by so it makes sense. It should be like the required three. So I'm going to assume that here too the amount I'm going to need is three login. Now a regular mas required only one log. So what emerges then is is if you're learning from the that it's three login. So that's your lim that I know from the word that in contrast to a regular that requires only one of I'm going to need three of but says learn from maybe take a different route maybe learn from it says the word over here it says over there it's Look, so how do I know to learn shem and to be three login maybe I should learn that just like by the all it is is one log. So maybe here too also all it's going to be is one log says the Bryson. So being that I have a little bit of a face off because on the one hand I could learn she from the on the other hand I could learn she from the so what I'm forced to do is I'm forced to ask myself logically and in is this more similar to the hence I'll learn from the or is it more similar to the therefore I should learn from the says the B do we say that we're going to learn tough Bint. So what is so it's an acronym it's number one the is number two the it's something that was obligated to bring every day the shin is from it's the so the was it was every day it was it wasab and it was that's like the which was brought with the carbon to which means it was brought every day it was a because the carbon and the ain't done in I'm not going to that has these four qualities from the which is not right it wasn't brought every day it's not it's by definition and it's not so maybe you should go in another direction so the right gear says without the yog so what does yog stand for carbon It's gimmel. It's doesn't come together with a carbon. It's a standalone. And the lammed is it comes together with which is also the case for the is a carbon. It comes on its own. It's just a it doesn't come together with a additionally it had a you can't learn which has a from the which is not a carbon it's a carbon but it's part of the carbon it's not came together with the additionally it did not have any lev so in I could hear that bash is telling me that it should have the den shemen of the but I could also say that it's coming to tell me that it has the nan of the and even if you're going to try to compare I can very easily compare the to the because they have tough bash test in common I can also very equally compare it to the to have yiml and lament in common. It's for that reason I'm a little bit stuck. says the price chimed in and he said it says regarding and we learn from there it says the word so is just like had three to the so this is going to have three to the as said I can hear you could learn it this way learn it that way but you know I don't think you have two choices because at the end of The day the terra calls it and if the terra calls it I know exactly what it is says another was by telling me the word and the was the also because a regular requires only one and over here the terra said three okay so if that's the says that is a boy. It's coming to me that I'm supposed to learn it from another parish that has a boy. The normal mount is a light. But what is a parish that has a boy? that has a boy is the hence I'm going to learn it from the said the truth is there's another par where you find the terra by saying the word together with so if somebody brought a carbon and the carbon involved and so there too there was more she that was brought just in the event it was a par. So instead of there were actually two lugan po is we see it was more than one is for the paris but the point for now is it was two perin maybe over here it's also going to be I think that had one so it's not going to be it's going to be two lugan now said we're not learning it from we're learning it from a place where you find a boy of but even within the world of I have two that I can go I could learn it from the regular That's a which is or I could learn from the who's more similar to we're going to learn from which each had one as opposed to we're not going to learn the from the paris because they involve two iso and three iso The isle had two, the pirate had three. And being that they had moreness, it's a little bit different than the it's for that reason I'm not going to learn it from there. So this is a a there's a lot going on and the now is going to delve in. But again let's just high level of what's going on in this the started off with a the is referred to as a right says that you were supposed to prepare it al and then the says now every involves so the question is why is the have to tell me says the price of it's coming to be of it's coming to tell me that in addition to the regular amount of she that you would need because of the fact that it's a there's a an additional amount of she and then the brace went on to describe how much additional she so again the easy part of the price is that tells me more she the hard part of the price is when it starts how much she do you actually need now if you break down the bryce it sounds like the BRC is then divided into three parts the first part which is mentioned anonymously I guess you would say it's the tanak and and then the initial part of the set it up a little bit right it said that if I'm going to learn from and I don't really know how to go about it so on the one hand I think I can learn it from the which had three lugan for the which would mean then that the would involve three lugan or maybe I could learn from that only had only uh one Lord per in which case all it's going to have is one Lord and the way the initial part of the left off was I'm stuck I don't really know enters he said it says oh it's like the and the three lugan so this is going to have three lugan as well came and he revisited the two ways you can go about it he said that I think if you're going compare it to something. You can compare it either to the or the boughten. Both of those have more than your regular but the has three per of and the one that's brought has two lug per. So to me the two choices would not be the I don't it it would be but is it from the or is it from the was actually he said to me it makes more sense to learn it from the and the reason is because the involved one is just like the in contrast to the which involved three and two is respectively either way I don't understand exactly how to read this the began of right this was like the given part of the that is and then immediately after before we mention before we mention the first part of the went and said it by and therefore I'm not sure should I learn it from here should I learned it from there and you know the initial part of the was stuck until we had and they both came up with their respective but is asking as a cash that if you started off that is coming to be so how could there be two them to learn it from the learn it from the now the words of the garra themselves are are very cryptic it's not so clear what the gumar's kash is right what's the gumar's kasha but if you take a look at rashi rashi says the garra kasha was as follows that if the word is coming to be in addition to the regular well if that's the case reading rash inside so how could the ask that maybe learn it from the is not coming to be if is coming to be then by definition you would think that we have to learn it from a para that has a of the is not a of has your regular share of she that's what every has that has three of that's what has coming to be and that we know as a given for sure we're coming to be so that for sure you have to learn it from a parish that's being right just to bring it out a little bit better when had to I I can learn it from here. I can learn it from there. It was learning it from parish of that bring more than a of either from the that's three lean or from the which is two like but the way that started was that maybe learn from the is only one like if is telling me by definition that there has to be a riboy then there's no sign in the world that I should be able to learn it from the minus nava and it's because of this kasha that how could the bry guard off that bash is coming to be and then tell me maybe learn from the which doesn't have any of if I know there has to be then I have to learn from a par that has a that the three had to understand the bright are going to emerge so here's the first said who's the one that said is coming to be it's mentioned last in the who's the one that throughout there may be learned from the rabbi it's really in other words said you have to do an epic edit to the bry this is where you read the bry the bry starts off and you know who's talking's talking and is now continuing he says I don't know how much it says over here And it says, "Right, I know it has to be more." Now, was about to continue. Listen to this. He was about to continue. And how was he going to continue? the way he continued at the very end of the how did he continue at the end of the maybe he learned the re not from the of but maybe learn it from the of so maybe it's not going to be looking for the maybe it's only going to be for the but before had a chance to continue you know what happened all of a sudden interrupted and he's the next words He tells I'm not so sure you're right that the word bash is coming to be maybe it's not coming to be maybe is coming just coming to teach me she and if that's the case I could argue and so it's who just interrupted who threw out the other side who started Bash's voice of would never entertain the maybe learn from the because there's no over there himself other is going to be what he's going to say at the end of the he's the one that interrupted cuz he and that's why he was the one who threw around until he finally said it and it's looking as well But the one that knows for a fact that is can never entertain the maybe learn from the it's at the end of the who's the one talking in the beginning of the and even though it doesn't sound like it that's the way it is interrupts and he is the one that throws out the maybe learn from the because doesn't hold to be and really the way the reads two and starts talking, gets interrupted by and then he goes back and he resumes talking after finishes interrupting him and he gives him a chance to go ahead and go. But either way, this was a bay's way of getting at his question. But again, the one that's asking this or the one that's making this that is coming to never had a time to learn from the had a different he said really the entire beginning of the is being interrupted. It's all and this is the way you read the started the by saying that the word is coming to me of and the reason he felt that way is because the is coming to teach me and every requires a of this is also going to require a she now if that's the case there should be no to be able to learn from the stating that it said that as much as I just said that is coming to teach me of I'm not as confident and secure about it as I made believe I was a maybe I'm wrong maybe the word is coming to teach me that you need you'll tell me it's anyways yeah but there is a concept of that doesn't have because maybe not I would have It should be like doesn't have so maybe this doesn't need to have. So then said that even if you're gonna tell me meaning even if that the word is coming to teach me that you need she but it could be still you'll need more than the regular maybe you should learn you should learn from that the amount of she you should So he tried learning from there he didn't have a and the reason was because as much as you could learn from the based on but you could also from the therefore ultimately needed a he himself ended up concluding but the bottom line is it's not that we're starting off with talking interrupt stops him and then Rashim goes ahead and concludes. It's first and second. It's not three, this is two. It's first and then it's and the way it reads is that starts off saying confidently Bash is coming. But then he says, oh, you know, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Bash is not coming to teach me is coming teach me. Isn't it obvious? Yeah, but don't have like maybe there's a that the needs to speak out. The bottom line is he said okay but even if there's a in needing she but still maybe she's going to be three login not because the word is coming to teach me a reb but based on but he said that just like you from the maybe at the end of the day he was stuck he had no and that's why he had to come on to his p of but again how is answering the if the prices starts off is teaching of how can you learn from the because when the entertains to learn it from the it's backing off it's being it's saying you know something as much as I thought for sure we should learn it from the and I realized that maybe I misspoke maybe the word was needed to teach me the of either way third mahal and final mahalakab says the third he says the whole price is going according to so similar to that is the one that starts talking in this Ra says is the one that starts talking and when the says what it means is what does that mean? He explains his word is coming to me. Why? Because if it's coming to be I wouldn't need a for that being that it says the word. So the word is that it's like and every requires she so I would think this requires she as well. But then ribbon continued and he said that maybe even had I not said the word bashan I would still have known that it requires three login. You know why? Because maybe learn maybe learn it push it from the and just like the requires three maybe this also requires three. So he tried learning it straight up from the and he couldn't make it work. And the reason is because maybe you learn it yog and that's why he needed that's why he needed bash to go ahead to teach me that there's a you need the re of she but just because there's a boy of she I still don't know how much of a boy is that's why said at the end of the that even if I know there's a but I don't know how much maybe that requires two not three that's why he said the bottom line is according to the entire price is going according to Rim starts off with the shim starts off with the that bash is coming to teach me a and once you know is coming to teach me of there's no time anymore to learn from the so what does it the words of Rabbi started entertaining that maybe maybe had it even not said maybe had it not said the word I still would have that it's three login and the reason I would have it it's three login is because I would have assumed it's because I would have assumed that it makes sense to compare it to the but that's not true because maybe I should compare it instead to the so again It's the kasha is that once I know is coming to teach me what's the answer is there is no but the only reason is entertaining such a possibility is based on the fact that it's he's coming to say that had I not known the word and maybe I could have learned it anyways and that the answer is no because had I not known and is coming to be I could have learned it from the but once I know bash is coming to teach me to There is no to learn from the either way is the beginning of the is the end of the what's the end of the I know there's a but I don't know how much one thing that comes out according to rabb just like according to Rabish is interrupting the difference is is that inaya interrupted was like mid-sentence he started and interrupted and gave the according to rabish is not the one that gave the but rather is the one that after Rabim set up his he came and he intervened and then ultimately the Bryson concluded with Rim. So the bottom line is is we have a Bry with three and had explained it I think it's to do a recap on the three of this Bis again the B started off it says regarding the it says And the Bryce starts off with this that once I know it's a I know it involves why do you need to tell me it must be it's coming to be it must be it's coming to be and then the Bryce went on and the Bryce started being very let's read the Bryce according to according to Rahun Rab Yeshua and according to Rabba the way abai learned the Bryce is Rab Shim who we'll be introduced to more formally in the end of the is the one that starts talking he says I don't know how much so said I'm thinking I don't know how much I know there's a reo maybe it's three to like the like the how much it was before he even had a chance to continue saying what he was about to say and what was he about to say we know from the end of the what he was about to say he was going to say maybe learn it from the of the which is too is for the it's too for the but before he had a chance to say that jumped in and he said that is coming to teach me of and said I don't know I think maybe it's only a lie maybe is not coming to teach me more she maybe it's actually coming to tell me that there's a there's a den and he was the one that said and he finally said either way finished talking and then went in and he feared his and that is he holds me and this I could learn it from the or I could learn it from the in the he said it makes more sense learn from the because the like the one is as opposed to the which have multiple. So right just to point out an obvious anomaly it comes out that shim is talking in the beginning of the even though is first mentioned at the end of the and even is talking in the beginning of the ba even though he's first mentioned later in the so mentioned later in the both somehow talk towards the beginning of the which is rather interesting but either way this is the first mahal how you learn the bryita the second one was raun of Yeshua starts with he starts off saying I learned it from maybe I'm wrong maybe is not coming to me maybe is coming to tell me that you need why would you think you don't need maybe it's like it's he struck out so he said it says it's like this is also going to be that's The first said for sure is coming to he doesn't hear those two that maybe it's not no and the only two would be do I to the type of and he said it's to the one and that's how he came out and finally rabb said the first part of the was starts off and shim says bashan is coming to be and really based on that you can just fast forward to the end of to then is it going to be like the or is it going to be like the parisle stating that started just thinking out loud he would say what would be it not said maybe I still would have but he said no I went to the reason I went to is because maybe learn from the that's why I needed the word to go ahead and tell me now even according to somehow interjected he interjected his before got a chance to finish so again is interrupting according to just like he's interrupting according to albeit a little less dramatically but the bottom line is according to the way the brighter reads it's then and then again according to it's and then and according to It's and then either way we have another gum to learn but for today we are going to stop