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Today's daff is me and we are 15 lines
from the bottom of
moving along in sugaling with sits
another festa fest from a rate
perspective it's one daf that's really
five but
hopefully we'll go through the daf and
then at the end speak a little bit about
who
How many strings are tits made up of? So
if you look at your tits, you know that
your tits on each corner have four that
go through the hole which when they hang
down are eight. But this tells us the
rest of the story says that there's four
strings of which later become eight.
Says it's three that later become six.
Interesting.
How long do the titas have to be? And
the way Rashi explains after you make
the after you make the knots beneath
that how long do the have to be
says for
according to B it has to hang down for
its beneath the
knots according to B it's only three
say
when say that it's
What kind of three are we referring to?
Three is it means one
which is 1/4 of a as we'll see in a
moment that the shear of a teac was
always referred to by kazal in terms of
how many it's made out of but sometimes
you're going to find the that's made up
of four. Sometimes a that's made up of
five. Sometimes a that's made up of six.
How's the possible tak is a tak. So
either it's four it's five it's six. The
terret is it depends which finger are we
talking about? If you're talking about
the thumb which is a thicker finger,
it's 14th of a. So there's four thumbs
to the five middle fingers and six
pinkies. Either way, when Bul says it's
four, we mean four of the larger four
thumbs
is. made up of four thumbs,
six pinkies
and five middle fingers
as it relates is which are dalid and
just remember dalid. Remember the number
four how so number one it's four like
said number two it has to be within for
of the corner of the bag in order for it
to be considered to have been on the
dollar and it has to hang down for its
place as well. So Rafa said chain dollar
chain which is aish because he's petting
in two regards like number one he's
posing like that it's four and not three
number two he's saying it has to be it
has to be hanging down for its boys and
not three says
gimmel no it's not dollar but rather
it's gimble gimble gimble it has to be
threein which later becomes six it has
to be within three spice of the corner
of the bag and it has to be hanging down
three heads but not four. What's the
bottom line
said is not dollar. It's not gimmel
gimmel gimmel. It's dollar gimmel.
You start off with gimmel has to be
within three spice of the corner of the
baguette and then it has to hang down
says
this is all suggesting that there's a
shear of how long the tes have to be.
I'll ask you a
word suggests that it hangs and at the
same time it doesn't suggest the meaning
it could be even
fact
and they all went to the
and they were discussing the laws of and
they said has no
interesting they said the same is true
regarding alulv
laugh doesn't it mean that there's no sh
at all. So again we have two rias that
sits has no number one the word sits is
ain't
somehow that's related to the the word
itself and there was a story
with and
they all said
no what it means is
if you want to have those that hang all
the way down to the floor that's okay.
question is if it could sweep the floor
which is less a sh with sits is more sh
with andes that's a whole different
discussion for a whole another day
but the point is that technically they
can be as long as you want them
but there is a minimum
said that similarly as it relates to
there's no shar as well is that true
cloud but we're going to the lul
that auda
came and Rapa said that there were there
there was confusion there was a misus
dollar gimmel gimmel Gimmel and Republic
was it's gimmel dal daled meaning that
the
the amount of you need to put into each
k of the bag is four and not three giml
has to be within three spice of the
corner of the bag and dalid has to hang
down for what's interesting is rapa was
pasing like bish because the first
dollar and the second doll giml the two
dollids were really a subject of dispute
amongst the Tan specifically Bash and
Bil and in both cases Bashame said
Bashame said B said only three said has
to hang down it's B said only has to
hang down three boys. So a pup is
passing like which is very because we
know the rule
is gonna be like but right now
the is always like and in fact that we
referenced yesterday
brings for who said in
the first one is in terms of the
which is the and that
I'm just reading
We spoke about that yesterday.
Like our papa came out. So the sites
that we wear today follows B. We
mentioned yesterday quickly the Gmoro
about Rabbarano in Babasal when the Arab
merchant showed him the took him
sightseeing in in the midbar and he
showed him the me midbar and he ripped
off a corner of one of the beadim of the
of one of the meidbar he wanted to bring
it back to base mat so they can analyze
the laws of tits and then he couldn't
move so he left it there and and they
came to him and they asked him they said
why'd you leave it there at the very
least you should have looked you should
have been what was he supposed to See,
so if you look at that a little bit more
clearly, you look at the rest of the
story. They said, "Look at how many were
there. Were there eight or six? Was it
four or was it three? Is the like or is
the like?" Interesting. Either way,
the word suggests that something's
hanging down
over there. It's referring to a blur,
like a chop. But the point is is that's
what the word means.
It has to be like the
like this blur is that our used to wear
which was tied together at the top and
it just loosened more at the bottom
which is the way the titas are. You're
supposed to make it tight at top and
then at the bottom it drapes down.
Oh yeah. Like if the titas were put on
the corner literally on the corner you
affixed it to the corner of the bag.
What we do is we put it a little bit
higher, right? And there's like a little
loop and then it hangs down from beneath
over here. It was literally put on the
corner of the bag. Oh yeah, like dill.
Or if there was a hem on the bottom of
the bag and you put it on the hem
said that the tit has to be on the car
itself. So it's not enough that it's
attached to the car, but the tit need to
be touching the corner, which is what we
do. We have that loop that goes around
the corner. So it sits as our and Rav
said I know it from a
van. It's not just on attached to the
but it's on it's it's touching it's
clapping against
such a it must be
because according to the you're allowed
to put it on the corner. So it's going
to be hanging from the corner but it's
not going to be clapping on the corner.
It's not going to be literally
You have to make sure that it is far
from the corner mean
right there's not a lot of from but he's
whenever we have
like him. However, it's worth mentioning
with a rush has a
and he says we have a that
is 102 places the of the word with
follows but it doesn't mean every single
time but regardless like soak in the
name of now elaborated on this of
that says that it can't be literally on
the corner it has to be
Okay. So, how far from the corner of it?
From the top of your thumb down to the
to the knuckle of your thumb, which is
by the way approximately Gimllet's
voice. If that's the case, then
essentially what
was saying was what had already said
he said.
So the two the two bookmarks was the two
that said like but what's the middle
that was referring to that it had that
it has to be within three. So
essentially
and are saying the same thing or be it
in different words said it has to be
said
which is also so aren't they saying the
same thing in other words it's a why is
just saying the same thing is who came
later
I mean I would have thought
I always only had so I would have
thought what
It has to be he just told you how close
to the corner it has to be. So I would
think it can't be further than but
the closer it is to the corner maybe
it's a good thing. It's
said no but
it has to be at least three.
How about
it can't be closer than three.
Maybe you can make it as far as you want
and maybe it's even better the further
you do it says in other they were both
saying but one was saying how close it
should be the other one was saying how
far it should be papa was saying it has
to be within three meaning it can't be
further ra was saying it has to be at
least three it can't be closer so
between the two I know there's an exact
a precise place where you're supposed to
put the you're supposed to put the titas
and you're supposed to split the titas
within three eggs
saw the corner of Ra's bag.
He saw the were closer than three spies
from the corner of the bag. It was like
very close to the corner. He told him,
"Do not hold
sees there." And he tells Ra, "Do you
not hold that?
It has to be at least three head spies
removed." He told him
of course I hold like he said in the
name of course I know the but that was
when you make the it has to be that way
but it doesn't mean that if later the
tit a little bit or the bag tears a
little bit and it comes a little closer
to the corner it's no worries you don't
have to worry about it it doesn't make
this so the says where heard that he was
a little embarrassed he was embarrassed
that ravina was able to prove him wrong
meaning he thought he had a kina he
gives nice muser very aidal And Ra told
him, "You're making a mistake. You don't
even know the you're giving me about the
and and it's a that you didn't properly
research. You didn't know that it's
true. There's an
or it can't be
but that's only with regards to the so
he turned to Raashi and you know he had
this embarrassed look on his face only
told him don't feel bad
meaning
I mean he's af he's he's an
we're from so you're right one of him is
greater than two of us the point is is
that ra because he came from that's why
he had a special so if you upgra from a
babylonian scholar maybe that'd be a
reason to be a little embarrassed but
for the fact that it's coming from an
that's really a whole different story
because
so you can't say this kamar without
digressing for a
And that is is that it's just
interesting that theor in his chuva that
we reference a lot in simal where he
goes through his abs he says whenever
there's ra and raashi so we know raashi
together wrote the bi so whenever
there's is between raashi that is like
ra and he says even though the say the
ravashi was ra's whatever but still that
is like ra you know why because raid
lived in and raashi lived in and
And it's a
and it's for that reason whenever
there's a
is going to be like so we've spoken out
this in the past the somewhere says
whenever there's like also and he also
was
we suggested that maybe this is related
to the fact that
even though
the bottom is that it's not. So it's
funny that
maybe again this is brings on this
already but the bottom line is is and
also because he was the god
there's a concept in
no less of
but there's a a very important
in and the context over there is used to
make comments sometimes about the yidden
that were living in Bav and over where
famously quipped he said regarding the
Babylonian scholars
because they live in a very dark gloomy
cloudy kind of environment. So all the
tyra they say is is is murky. That's the
way their tyra comes out. And the brings
a tr from the ram that the ram discussed
the state of affairs that was going on
in bwell and init at the times of the
and and the ram says that not all times
not all were created equally. He says
there were times was much easier to
learn and b over because there was
persecution in. And then he says he says
there were times where it was easier to
learn than it was in. And he says
because times it was it was it was a
great time to learn Tyra and B was very
hard. There were persecutions going on
in Bavl. And then the Rambam says but in
the times of Ravashi for example it was
just the opposite. He says in the times
of Raashi then in Bavl and he says look
what Raashi did. wrote the Talmet
right
who was
and
says what did they three all three have
in common they all contributed
wrote the Mishna and Raashi wrote the
half fascinating and he said to have
been able to undertake something like
that it wasn't enough to be great in
Toryra but you had to be you had to have
gdula also it was tora of the it's
moherenu it's
raash but the ram says things must have
been good above at that time you must
have been able this is the ram the
historian talking says the ra the times
of raashi and the fact that he wrote the
babi things were better so it always
bothered me on the kavar says whenever
there's
why
and what's the riot to say such as it
comes from the raan says about but learn
the truth Raam the Ram says it was
different Kufas. He says
because of what was going on at that
time. But then when the Ram brings an
example of aua where B was it was even
easier to learn. What's his example?
It's Ravashi. Maybe this Gamar is this
Ravashi talking. Raashi said clear.
Ravashi himself said he confessed it.
Raashi said he tells don't be
embarrassed from the fact that that ra
stumped you so to speak because
either way we have a lot of ra to get to
when he used to make
soak made is not the way we make sites
today. What he would do is he would take
the fourin like Bisham, right? He would
fold it over and he would take the loop
side of now the eight. So he didn't put
it through the tenses yet. What we do is
we put four senses through the hole. He
put eight through the hole. See he first
doubled it over, put it through. You
have a little loop on the side and he
would take the eight strings, run it
through the loop. Exactly. And he would
fasten it. And that's how he had it. Why
did he do that?
Because he had the eight which is out
from Gilad is you don't just need eight
hanging. You need eight going to but
only eight hung
held like
he also that you have to put eight
through but he held that you put eight
through and then 16 are supposed to hang
there. He didn't tie it the way
did and then finally
and he did it the way we do
this next is a classic
he was making and he made
and then he concluded
he said my [ __ ]
what is what is this that I'm hearing is
somebody making goa
He said, "No way.
Rafa Rafa passed away all remember
enters B madish and he asked the
steering rap why they had to wait until
Rafa passed away is for another day. So
now walks in.
So he he walks in and he said
did really say that you don't make I
have a
name.
How do you know that is not allowed to
make
only
a nonjew
is not allowed to make tites and felt
that was a steer? What's a steer? Could
Rav have said that you don't make a tit
but ra
is not allowed to make tites.
Why is that a steer? What does one have
to do with the other? That two very
important.
One is you don't make a ones and the
other one is that
is not allowed to make but
said let me explain to you
the hell
any mitzvah that a guy is allowed to do
when a does the mitzvah he doesn't make
but any mitzvah that a guy is not
allowed to do or if he would do it would
be it wouldn't be a proper
and if he does it he has to make a and
that was this said if any is not allowed
to make sites then by definition it
means it falls under the cl of how could
have said that when you make tites you
don't make a if that's the case it's a
ste because raises if you can't make
sites then by definition it means says
and this is going to take us to the end
of our part of the not to the end of the
d but at the end of where we're going to
stop says
is this a real rule meaning anytime a
guy can do something he can make
is you don't make a if a guy can't do it
then you do make a
what about
you can have a non-Jewish who's the
right non-Jewish it's okay
a city that doesn't have a Jewish doctor
or someone that's qualified to do
but there's an that's a or so the say
it's more preferable for the to do for
the just the opposite
but the bottom line is is that either
the or the could do it the question is
who comes first so you see in any is
cautioned to do what's the
but of course when you do
says we're discussing and raised
how do you know that a risk
in the name of it says
his family only you're allowed to do
only you were commanded to do only you
can do the physical circumcision
And we learned from there we spoke at a
lot of rate on this
and a lot of fun rate but either way
said bottom line is
not so it's not a the fact that we make
is not inconsistent with this rule and
raard such a law that says that anytime
a cannot do something you make a iM
can't domita. Yeah, there's that not
that way. But maybe Tanu Paul and Grahel
that is allowed to is not allowed to do.
If that's the case, it's not
inconsistent with the rule. But the ask
you another
in other words a riot to the rule from
and to the what's the
build for you? Ask your local rabbi
everything.
So that's one of the things mentioned
this
is okay.
If somebody makes a for himself
when you sit down in the
says that we make both when we sit in
the but the point is
you don't make a
why because it's very nice with this
rule. You know why we don't make a bra
on? Because anytime a to do something,
we don't make a bra on it. Your shi of
course holds you do make a
mitzvah. It's only
so
but I'll ask you a
right villain. That's obvious.
All of the affforementioned are not
allowed to write
and we learn from there
and being that the
isot and are
as a result they're as
If sitting down to write doesn't make
those are the two you make
but you don't make a
why not
why don't you make a what's the cash the
is is that if you're going to tell me
that anytime a guy can't do something
then you make a this is this rule which
was the basis of
that being that can't make
so therefore you should make how could
have thought that is a so we had a from
we we g we were able to answer that we
have a raya from So works out very
neatly but again what's the you see
clearly from that is not the right fill
in at the same time you don't make a
fill because the only you make on are
you make
you don't make a
says the
so you want to know in terms of the rule
of thumb when you make the and when you
don't make the we're not going back to
we're just reconciling on
no on fill it right when milo
says it's a discussion so how do you
know when exactly to make a not right we
have different rulings here for
different classes of mitzvah so how do
you know what to do the rule must be
like this
mitzvah every
that is the that's the mitzvah itself
according to
the mitzvah
and any mitzvah
is not the only
when you actually put the on
so the same way. Oh, what about
punch line
whether or not you should make the
what's that? heard because that you're
supposed to make a and was very he said
no you don't make a what's the sh the
when you put on the beet right then and
there are you if
it's a
then is it's then you're supposed to
make the that's where
but if it's
so that means it's when the person's
wearing it that's when the is so then
you're not going to make the until later
So apparently or others had a gear that
held that make and how did he know that
only is allowed to make? I heard just
the opposite.
How do you know that a guy is allowed to
make
it doesn't say
should be
telling to hire right someone to make
for you. That's essentially what it
says. So it's
it should be made for them. Just the
opposite should hire other people to do
it on their behalf. That's the way is
supposed to be made. So this P is not a
that a guy cannot make. It's just the
opposite. This pos gives him a car that
a guy can make tits
exhale.