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Today's and we got three lines from the bottom of today's being learned as today's also being learned. So we're moving along at the beginning of which discusses as its name suggests related to or more specifically. So we're in the middle of this epic digression of sakus began with the sugi of we got knee deep into sugis related to pigle but for the last week plus we've been learning about now is related to so as a tiny bit of an introduction to today's daf we know that our tits are made up of two parts. They're made up of the braided part and then you have the loose strings that are hanging. The makur to these two parts quote unquote of the tits are the two ways that the describes the tits. There's a that says say ail is a braid. The Tyra also says in the par of a pil is a string that hangs loosely. It's because the terra describes the tits as gdylan and the terra describes the tits as a pil. We know that the tits have to be made up of these two parts. Now specifically the way we make art tits today is we take the corner of the bag we make a hole and then we put fourin through that hole. Once the fourin are through the hole you end up having really eightin. We tie a knot. We make four sets of these gdilim of these braids. We tie knots in between each set of these braids. And then afterwards what you have is beneath that lowest knot which ironically the Gar refers to as the kesher elo you end up having eight strings that are flowing loosely regardless. Tites are made up of gdylim tites are made up of pileim. This mitus is very much going to play itself out in today's daf. And with that tiny bit of an introduction says the gar we see from here. So from where for that we had to have learned yesterday's daf seven and a half years ago two days ago but the bottom line is that the had brought that said that as it relates to the shear of tits even though the there is some shear but are as long as you have a little tiny bit of that in of itself is going to be okay. So said from the fact that made sense as you know what I see it's inevitable that you have to make a knot in between each so what's a is a borrowed term in the vernacular usually is referring to as a vertebrae in this case each set of gadilim each set of knots is referred to as an individual says that I see from After you make each little you have to go ahead and you have to tie a knot because if you're going to tell me you don't have to specifically that right sometimes is just code word for so from the fact that is even if you have if you're going to tell me that you don't have to have a knot in between each And the only knot you have to have is the elo kn which we mentioned earlier that's the ker elin which counterintuitively is the lowest one the one farthest away from the corner of the bagot. But the bottom line is if that's the only catcher that you have then by the time you have gardum there's no way you're going to have that casher right because gardum is a very small share. And because it's a very small shear so for sure if you have the cashier then you have more than gardum. So if you have gardum by definition you don't have the cashiereline. And if you don't have the cash, well that means you don't have because you don't have any. And that's posh that Ben couldn't hold that you could have kasheres that have no that have no gil at all. And the reason is because the Torah describes sites as being yeah you have to have the string but you also have you also have to have the gadil. So when the ba said that gardum are kosher there's no way they meant that it could be kasher without having any gdel that's not tenable and if all you have is gardum that means you have very little for sure you don't have the kasherelion must be there's some casher above that that you do have and if that's the case that just having the cashion is not okay what do you have to have you have to have in between each individual Now the truth is that the speak out that you have no riot from here that you have to have a cash in between each. All you see is that the cashion itself is not enough. Maybe what you would have to have is the cash or what we would intuitively think as the cash ele one little kya and then make the cashier right because you have to have at least one ky. So you're going to make one then you're going to make the cash and that's going to be fine. We'll see soon there's four. So between each you have to have a cash. So that already say that to the extent that it's not enough to have the cash and you have to have another one and we know you have to have four how many you going to have is four. You're going to probably have one in between each. But the bottom line is said again this is a technical point that from the fact that you see that's a says there's no because meaning could be you don't have to have a and if all you have is the cash that in of itself is going to be but in a situation where all you had was the kesherion and now you're left with the gardum that will be bos because you don't have any and that's taken initial. They were discussing a case where I did have a cash meaning you have no from here that you have to have a cash. You would only have a that you have to have a a cash if you knew for a fact that in every single case. But I could tell you maybe there are times that are going to be possible. When are they going to be possible? when all I had was a cashelion cuz really all I need maybe is the casher and and aami but when all I have is the casher then the going to be possible where was where I had a but it doesn't mean you always have to have a when I have a but don't have to have the and when I don't have it then will be possible. Another thing that Robert said, you see that the is because if you're going to tell me that is only I mean this whole idea of having a kher is not even mandated in the just the whole concept of of tying that's something that's myster to tell me that bites is ker It's gave if somebody just sews one stitch between them together, it's not considered didn't violate the isness. So why do I need we'll see in a second what is to tell me that is why would I think not there's no issue must be it must be that there's a mid to have a mid so when you make you're not you're actually being and as a result it's for that reason it's for that reason you need a li of is Kasha. So what exactly is the limit of this is Kasha? I think going out on a limb here. This is from the most famous and that is it says in the letter we share in the very next says and from the of the love of shness and the mitzvah essay of we learn that although there's an isness but if shness ever collides with tites of tit is of this is to the what is the source? The source is that the mitzvah of truth is there is another source and that is but again this is not the butal and is from the fact that the made between the tites and the essay of is we learn from here that if I ever have a tension between an essay and a essay the essay is always going to take precedence. By the way, this idea that we of the and the essay of this takes us back to in the beginning of that's the right in the beginning of Mishb which we saw is also inbra and it's also in which is that right when the mentions it's not random but there's a a very very precise nuance methodology ology to the way and into the order in which the presents all the soyra said and then immediately after said is there's a to that and is to teach me one of the most important right how many does this underpin and that is that is going to be but said like this for the fact that we need a say to me there's a over here why because I see from here that to tie betas to the bag it must be a dissa because if it's not a dissa then where exactly when I use am I being and if that's not a any was not being must be that when you make tits you them very very much together and being them together so you see from here that alian right by the way rashi says you see from here kher aliens maybe here too rashi says kash alians love dafa but the point is that you see from here a kesher is something that is mandated because otherwise there would be no isness in the first place we'll get back to more about this in the course of the last it's really going back to yesterday's theor was talking about if your tit is tier so how much tites do you have to have in order it for it to be okay. So Rabad said in the name of Rav okay is that his father said in the name of Ra who said in the name of Rav that that even if the entire you lost a complete even then that then is it's going to be possible was sitting and he said over this that said in the name of that said in the name of that if you don't have at all it's going to be possible and was saying over right made a lot of sense to when are the as it relates to how much you have to have that's when you make the titas you fashion them. So then in the manufacturing facility there's a how much you have to have but once you make if you lose some of it you have some that in of itself is going to be enough. So told my right sounds like is that little stub right so it seems to be repetitive what's my laugh is the means where something's left over and is the when even nothing is left over but what do you see from here right as long as there's nothing there even is in and it of itself going to be okay. But the bottom line is is that from the fact that we mentioned means that it's even if nothing is there and this is a to send the name of sends the way you're supposed to read this is not the it's two things and one is talking about where something's left over and something the other one's talking about where it was but rather the way you're supposed to read it is that if you have this gardum of you have to have a ku you have to have something that's when it's going to So then why are you saying two things? Why are you saying just say and I'll know I'll know I know I have to have a little something. So I'll know is and only if something's left over it's says no the reason we mention to teach me that even a kosher is not enough but rather like we saw in yesterday's you have to have enough to be able to tie a knot. So it's not even enough that you have a kosh has to be a drop more. It has to be an so it's not it's what's the point in saying it's to bring out that you have to have a little bit more than I would have thought. I would have thought it's even has to be a little bit more than that. Ra was one sitting he said over the name of so going back to the is making process for a minute. So you take the four strings you put them through the corner of the beet the hole two holes and you fold the four strings over you end up with eight strings tie a knot. That's the cash ironically not the cash and they have to start making braids. Now how you going to make braids? So what you do is is you make that one of the should be longer than the other and that's the one that does the right. That's the one that does the one that does the the braiding. Which means, by the way, if you think about it, that how many of the are going to be encircled? It's not eight, it's seven. Right? Because of the eight, one of them is actually doing the circling. It's for that reason it would have been a that maybe when you make your tit you should have to have nine because maybe the of eight is that eight of them should be encircled and if that's the case the one that's being should not be right I could hear that argument it's because of that very intuitive that we have this ensuing discussion amongst the so let's say a little bit of drama was sitting and he was saying over in the name of he came and that is that the that does it's considered to be one of the eight you don't need eight in addition to that even though only seven are beingled it's fine that's okay told what you're saying over in the name of it's not ra did not said we have a I heard from and it's interesting but the gear on the side of the is in the name of that of the now what's the basis to speak out that uh other garrison because otherwise what's the right seems like we have a discussion over is did say it or the say it said that said it said that said it what that said it that's not anami that's just anami on the we know the we're not trying to prove the either said it or said it maybe even they both said it who knows but the bottom line is is that what's the new rabb another story you very and this time he said over not in the name of he said in the name of in the event that you have by the way this is one of the examples she says that doesn't mean literally the but over here just means the tites so in the event you have tites and most of the tites were you have on on most of the we'll see more how many of these you actually make but if your tits are the majority it's still going to be caution what's So we'll see soon that there's actually a formula that's supposed to be used and that is oneird of it should be meaning then 2/3. So what was saying in the name of that even though there's a certain ratio that you're supposed to abide to but told him just the opposite. So in the first case here before we don't have to go to the side of the north to get the G. So like had it. Both times it's the first time in this case that had a different formulation that was tremendous amount of names that is going to be cautious. Traditionally in this he continued he said that again and even if it was only one it's still going to be so art is if you just take a look you'll see there's four but if you had one it's going to be fine but the way to do it is it should be oneird enough and two/3 should be okay what is the three loops that is the so if you don't have three it's not going to be okay now if you look at have a lot more than three right but the bottom line is this is the how many of these do you have to have three stating that we learned to that if you want to be a right you're not looking to do more than you have to do I'm a minimum If you want to go maximum you shouldn't have more than 13. So the between seven and 13 and the explains if you want to be shouldn't have less than seven the seven heavens and if you want to be you should have more than 13 heavens and the six obviously that are in between the heavens. So, so two things. Number one says that what the is talking about is the amount of that's what we're talking about. So, how many do you have to have? Right? So, we mentioned before one is going to be okay. It's also going to be okay. What's the share? And that's what the price is coming to say. So there's a minimum of seven and a maximum of 13. If you look at your tits again, that's not what your look like. You probably have four learns differently. Says we're not talking about the amount of we're talking about the amount of loops, the amount of the amount of they have in each individual. It should be no less than seven or more than 13. And if you sit is that's exactly the way art sits. There's a formula. It goes higher and higher. But the bottom line is right 7 9 11 and 13. But it starts with seven and it concludes with 13. And it's based on this. Now what's the seven and 13? So it's there's seven heavens and if you add the six in between there's going to be 13 the according to that's coming up in a couple of days says it's based on the fact that the says that why did the choose the color of it's because etc etc and when a person sees the color of it's supposed to bring him to that's what's supposed to come through specifically how because through the you're going to think of the raashi we see already that there's a between and the heavens the whole color of is related to that. So it's for that reason you have the symbolism of like you see clearly supposed to be you see the color you see the right being in it to such a level that it's going to bring you to this another when the person making the tit starts making these mas he starts with the How do you know that? Because it says and when he concludes messiah belove he's also messiah belove. How do you know that? Because so what exactly does this mean? So today when we make assuming you don't wear which is a whole another discussion for another day next week but for now when a person makes assuming you're not wearing so you're going to have one that's going to be longer and that's the that's going to make the ringles for people that wear you need two that are making ringles and the reason is is because you need theim of the And you also need it from the so essentially you're going to have two that are being says the which should I be with first should I first be with or should I first be with that's what this is addressing and you should start with the love and you know why says now This goes back really to yesterday's d. We'll see more about but from the word we learn that that is an Indian that it should be the same the same material as the next word's and from there we learn but what does it say first? First it says and then it says the assumption is your beggar that you're wearing is not made of. What then is it? It's probably it's probably love or you know whatever color it is. But the point is is that your tites are going to be the same min the same min as the the bag itself that you are wearing more than that the was made of wool right the was made of wool the beggar that you're wearing is presumably not wool is probably some other material which means that the you're going to attach to it are going to be of of that other material. So if it's cotton, if it's sishna, whatever it might be, but the bottom line is it's probably going to be from that other. So the mentioned first and then it mentioned the so I learned from there that first you have to operate with which is the it's going to be the same material as the actual and then afterwards you have this very unique special that you attach to it. That's that's probably not the that goes second. But here's the problem. The problem is is that there is an Indian. So if I started on a high even though I'm apparently I made a turn I went to the it's interesting that is the but I'm going to end up back on the high again. So I'm going to have to end up with the love. I start with the and I have to end with the love because I can't end with that's not a tenable solution because one sitting there was a person that passed by as that sitting the person was wearing a 100% the entire talis was okay and this person had she said sits on the bottom of his That was Koolas and it was Gdilia migdal the entire sites that he had was gil what's the point if you look at the top there were no strings hanging all it was was braids the whole thing was there was nothing on the bottom ra saw this is a shaskkin doesn't talk a lot said it's a nice beggard person has Beautiful bag of his tits are lousy, right? Full of he has no strings. What kind of tits are these? Rabban was also sitting there. He said apparently this was a nice bag. He said and he has nice tits also. Nothing wrong with the tit. What's the now? It's pretty obvious what the iss have to have strings in. Now they have to have strings. But the question could the entire thing be braided or do you have to have the loose fringes on the butt? Right? Since there are fringes, if you don't have the fringes, but this is the over here said that you have to have the fringes seems to say you don't have to that even though it's still holds and it says, right? went through the in the in the introduction to the and then it says means the braids means the fringes. So what do you see from the fact that the gives two options one or the other is okay that's why said it's fine the fact that he doesn't have the silver holds no when from the fact that the says and from the fact that the says I learned not but I learned I learned that you have to have both you have to have a gdil and you have to have now these next two and a half lines are very very tricky tricky. We'll read the words first. Why does it say it's coming to teach me the amount of and really the amount of that you have to have? What do you see from the word gdil? The amount of you have to have because gadil is a braid. A braid by definition has to be made up of two because you can't braid one. It's not a braid. It's not of a braid. And if it says not I know I say and from there I learned that you have to have and from there I learned also you have to have four either way. So what is the let's we'll tease this apart who said that it's okay to only have a gdil. It's because the said it says but it also says gil. So I learned either this one or that one. Right. I have two individual that described it in two ways. What does it sound like? It's multiple choice. I could go option A. I could go option B. Maybe I could do all the above also. That's fine. But but option A is an option and option B is an option. Rob says no. The way you tie up these two is like the sometimes referred to as they complement each other and it's only all the above. It's only choice A. I have to have Sai the I have to have the right. Are they two options or are they complimenting each other? But if you learn the gumar carefully when Rav responded to what said he said and he added two lines and from the word I learned the minion of what does have to do with this conversation it almost feels like you shouldn't be these two lines it doesn't seem to have any flow any is what we're talking about if you take a look at Mubat says asks his kasha brings up and he sends two just mention the second and that is that what Rav was doing by bringing this Josha he was proving that you can't look at gdil and pil as two complete individual options that are not talking to each other as if I can make ses this way or I can make ses that way can't be that subsh you know why because we know you have to have fourin And you know what the to it's from the say and I know from there that even the is for right if you're going to tell me there are two individual paras. So then you would ask yourself how do I know that if I want to make the tits is only which according to would be okay four would be the maybe it's only four when it's that is the is so from the fact that the is and it's true in all situations must be right must be that you have to be of oh that's a right that I'm right it's a little but the sheet of it's right here on the page much as he struggles. What do these two lines mean? What exactly is rap coming to either way? It's something said in the name of a pish. So in the event that somebody has a beggar that's made of pish and it's made of linen and he puts of on it is the tites are going to be okay. So what's the background to this? The background is is that the Gmorra in yesterday's d we saw it already very very briefly on the bottom of olive said that from the fact that the says that you should put right says we learn from there that the material of the should be the same as the material of the actual stating that there's one very obvious exception to that rule that is The why the was blue. It was also wool. It was blue wool. I mean these are these parach right. We're holding this to give was blue wool. If you have blue linen that's not right. If you have blue uh silk that's not blue polyester is not blue wool is just like means blue. So means wool. is blue wool which means that if I'm wearing a beggar a pist for sure I'm going to have some wool on my tits that's going to satisfy my obligation to wear tits it's for that reason that said that it's part to me that even if my love would be made of and my baget was made of pishim it would be okay and the reason is like amigu right the other migu that we always talk about not the mitsia gimmel and dalid migu the other migu and that is that there's a an idea that being that you find that wool has the ability to p this bag even though it's not so once you find that wool albeit with that one so too the wool's going to be able to p it with regards to the love as well that it works for the it's also going to work for the love that's the methodology but the bottom line is It's even though there's what was not but was not sure about was not. Now at first glance this should be dead on arrival. Why should be able to we have a love will also but in the reverse why should even be so that we have to see the explains like we just spoke out if the can do it maybe and the very next So we learn from the you know what the is that that se always has the ability to pter and pish also always has the ability to pter. So yeah, Se we knew even without this might have a but it could be Pish also has and by the way it could be has even a different right because once Pam has this and you have to come to them you have this and that is from the fact that it says and then it says maybe from there that are always going to be now this is the like we spoke about earlier but maybe this is maybe from this I know it's always going to very straightforward. We knew that that was so said that just like now added one line that's going to be malavas through the remainder of the d. He continued did this talking again. We brought this for the first part of the latter part is that and always have the ability to okay and even if the bag is made up of it's made up of silk even then it's going to be okay. So says the rahuda this last line that once you have you could even be them together right you could even put them together they're going to p everything and even she writes again said two things he said and then he said and it even sounds like not only could anything or pish anything, but even sounds like would have the ability to p everything. And it's that segus into the next line. It's not like said that that's made of silk. Rashi says okay. So from Nakman said that Shirroyan is must be that what must be that first of all you're don't even need the seed into but it's even more than that even if you wanted to go ahead and put you wouldn't be able to put because when you put it's the only reason it's okay to put on your that has because I say but to the extent that is so there's That means there's no then there's no so there's no way in the world would be allowed to be put on a must which is fine is also right so that's okay that it's but I know you're allowed to be the but you're not allowed to be the and have a seems to be not like you these are all different types of silks says checkmate here it says you know what it means it means look at the safe of that price of with regards to all these situations have the ability to if you look at meaning you could take like we said earlier and you could be of them together even that's going to have the and these types of silks then I understand why the safe for the price I could say that if you want to take them and put it that's going to be fine but if you're going to tell me that what that these silks are only how is it okay to put sites on that pish What are you going to tell me? You're doing a mitzvah. No, you're doing a mitzvah. Can't be so says going to tell you the way you're learning the I don't have to agree with and I think when the says it means but it doesn't mean both and continued. He said I think it's actually that way. Because if you look at that, the Bryer goes even further, right? This is already the So the continues and says that as it relates to Hayne, if you want to make sites that are made of that are made of this silk. So if the bagot is made of silk, then it's okay. He said, "Yeah, if you're going to tell me that the whole silk business is then I understand why it works, meaning if the whole to put on a beggar that silk is only I understand why I could take sites that are silk and use it. But if you're going to tell me that to put sites on a bag of that silk is the potter, then I should have to have piston. Why is it okay said for me to take sites that are made of silk and put it on a beggar that's silk don't situs have to be seam piston I think sites have to be suish and if that's the case why is it okay or must be because the whole sites is anyways by silk only and being that the whole is only so it's for that reason I can use sites that are not right only now where domin get this that the sites should have to be pish so rashi says cuz probably but then it says but is like making this massive is going to reject in a second. It's almost hard to in real time because we learned 10 times that that's not the way it is. Right? So is going to say that. But the bottom line is saying that as far as I'm concerned has to be made of pish and if titus has to be made of and you see that you can make sites of silk for a bag of that silk must be a bag of silk only said you brought you brought this bryer to like ask cashes on me. Look at the safe of the safe of the braer. this price is the biggest r in the world to me but the says no it's not true if this is there's no right at all because I can tell you it's based on something and by the way that's why is asking the is the except right acknowledge the fact that it says okay always comes Bottom line is there's no hamstra over here from the safe of the safe of this. What are we really left with? What we're left with was that said that are right not only in fact and it's even you could be of them together which is a riot because otherwise you would have a shness problem when you take the of themselves of it must be okay The reason was to ask to fire away right I mean doesn't it sound like says no maybe that's only yeah but look at the next one which sounds like because otherwise how could you take ped them together you're going to be must be but that's only true if if silk is said I'm not from that because maybe when we say it means so even though the first part of the bra sounds very much like I mean major neon lights the next part also you see that it could be no you don't maybe it's you put them together not the third part of the ironically the said brought as a riot to his right said I think I have a riot from the what was the riot from the riot from the was from the fact that if you have a beggar that silk you can make tit of silk and made this that has to be how could you use silk must be for because it's not true there's two options there is a there's a benefit Christian because that is everything as opposed to kind of only works for but at the same time at the same time that you don't have so at the end of the day we had a that was made up of three parts setting up the for the last leg of the first two parts seemed to be a grace to not like was third part was a little bit of a riot of a riot to the was So what's now in the flow of right we purposely this in the flow of mean what's I don't know is whatever is all of a sudden now we woke up so if you take a look at it's very subtle in rash but if you look at the rash it's very clear and that is the ting that is really saying a very big saying that a beggar that's not made of sounds like a very very big bish Ifman had a riot from a bry if he had from a this is the way it is so I would understand where took the plates to say but now that the wasab so I don't know any so if that's the case of what's based on a that was taught in the never begotten it says the word beg him in weird. So it actually says it says in the parish of but really to be honest this something comes up in other as well. It says it many times has the word many times and this one time the was it says begg and it tells you what type of bead and what does the say it says right it said what does it say? So says and by so it says so from there I learn every time it says the word means what does it say by oh that's wonder it's because it says this is the say every time it says mean there's another that's meaning there were two that came from the same yeshiva and that seem they seem to be at odds in terms of what exactly held regarding this topic why because there's another that addresses this and comes out there so this word it says in the par of right this is one of the places where the terrorist says the word and it says right again says the fact that it says I would think the wool of camels which is not regular wool or rabbit wool or the here of goats different types of silks. How do I know that as well? It says the word and from the word I know to be as well. So here I have another tiny just the opposite that even though the terra was that what's the definition of a it's true the did that but at the same time at the same time I also have a word that's bottom line is it seems to be a ste between these two ton of and the gmorra just concludes with this observation either way a lot happened in today's daf right a lot a lot a lot but as it relates to the very very last leg of the daf right last twothirds of a nit we had this big shila over here in terms of what types of them are according to all are according to according to it's only that are now it's pretty obvious that this right here is what lends itself to the whole wits inion and that is could you have cotton sits right Is cotton sits okay? Is it not okay? This is right here. It's right. What type of begg has to be linen or wool? Well, if your beggar is not made of linen or wool, you're not going to be if however no even and are then you wouldn't have to wear uh proverbial wets. Plays itself out very much in this. This is a auga. We have raid bites from yesterday year, but for now it's clearly late early. We're a little bit behind. So we are going to stop here.